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Echo Echoplex
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:14:00 -
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I just subbed a couple of days ago (hi everyone) after a 2 wk. trial but only a few hours of that used, so I have zero idea what I'm doing. Meanwhile I've been reading, reading, reading to try and lessen the learning curve, and have seen so many Disillusioned-I-Quit posts from people who've seemingly played quite awhile and I just don't get it.
I can see quitting for various reasons: time management problems, frustration with the learning curve/yourself and your own inabilities, eventual boredom, lack of money, and yes, even personal conflict with the politics of the game, but what I don't understand is quitting because the game proved itself to be what it was when you signed on. In a game that's remarkably complex it's the one aspect that seems so simple and transparent.
I have no idea what I want to do or be yet and I won't be surprised if I rage or pittykitty when I get scammed, betrayed, podded repeatedly, etc. but I see this game essentially as an rpg for every person who plays it. Even if you spend your time trading out of game, you're playing that role. You can play the role of a benevolent and helpful pilot who aspires to elevate and educate, you can play the role of the biggest as*hat who ever walked the face of the earth, you can play it as anything in between, or even both simultaneously. It's the wild wild west and the civil war and a a social experiment and a sandbox and an mmorpg and a rpg and and a fps all in one.
What keeps me enthralled with the whole idea of this game isn't even the gameplay, it's the people behind it and the notion that the turd who pods me and laffs is just as likely to be somebody I become good pals with after I dry my tears as he is to become my mortal enemy. The troll who talks exclusively memespeak may just as easily be a lawyer with a wife and 4 kids, and the acerbic, feminist-leaning activist may be a basement dwelling neckbeard with special needs. I've never seen an online game or environment with the level of intelligence or complexity or variety of this one, and I'm not talking about gameplay, I'm talking about the players themselves.
The way I see it is, I've (hopefully) set myself up to win no matter if/when/why I ever decide to stop playing so long as I don't forget why I loved it when I signed up. I spent my few first trial days logging, standing in CQs, staring into space like a catatonic, being completely overwhelmed, and logging off. I play on a Mac and none of my keys work for the game. I missed earning the extra isk for completing a mission within 2 hours because I couldn't find the asteroid belt. My skill queue probably makes zero sense whatsoever.
I've spent days reading up on strategy and it all looks like this to me:
"Fit your jsodef with a giejpr and two F235 fjeies and warp to Maowojdje. From there, invest in some tzrqt lasers and gate to Obidijw and join a HNWQ with a view to swkwhing your stpqxe jjeurwowk sogorkejwhwjusi. Simples".
And I love this game already. What is wrong with me? i'm a female too, and I thought about hiding it but eff that, and if I ever alt-up they'll be female as well. Now if I could just find the skill book the NPC agent swears is in my P&P folder. Even the agents lie!  |

Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
423
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:17:00 -
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Welcome to our disfunctional familly
Echo Echoplex wrote: "Fit your jsodef with a giejpr and two F235 fjeies and warp to Maowojdje. From there, invest in some tzrqt lasers and gate to Obidijw and join a HNWQ with a view to swkwhing your stpqxe jjeurwowk sogorkejwhwjusi".
This part is pretty accurate. |

Echo Echoplex
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:19:00 -
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Yeah, after careful review I've decided that's def the way to go. |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1182
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:27:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Welcome to our disfunctional familly hi, i'm the weird grumpy uncle no one likes to talk to.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
423
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:31:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Welcome to our disfunctional familly hi, i'm the weird grumpy uncle no one likes to talk to.
No Mad Pls, I'll still you in bad ways. |

Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
78
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:32:00 -
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What's this? Surely, you're too perfect a fit for the game to really exist.
Welcome to EVE, enjoy your stay. |

Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
96
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:40:00 -
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The novelty will wear quick. :) Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic |

Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
70
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:46:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Welcome to our disfunctional familly
I'm the handsome stepbrother you would like a go with but who fails to notice you for some reason.
Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first. |

Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2392
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:54:00 -
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Nice one on taking the fearless approach to being a girl :D
Next time you're on join these two channels: "wgoe=public" and "EVE tutors"
WGoE stands for Women Gamers of EVE, the public one is where you can hang out and request interview with an admin to get into the girls only one. I hang around in the public one :3
EVE Tutors is a helping community sort of chat where a collection of newbs and vets can hang out and help each other. Much more casual environment than the official help channels, more personal too as people get to know you :D The Drake is a Lie |

Echo Echoplex
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:02:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Welcome to our disfunctional familly hi, i'm the weird grumpy uncle no one likes to talk to. You aren't fooling me. **** or GTFO. 
Xercodo wrote:Nice one on taking the fearless approach to being a girl :D
Next time you're on join these two channels: "wgoe=public" and "EVE tutors"
WGoE stands for Women Gamers of EVE, the public one is where you can hang out and request interview with an admin to get into the girls only one. I hang around in the public one :3
EVE Tutors is a helping community sort of chat where a collection of newbs and vets can hang out and help each other. Much more casual environment than the official help channels, more personal too as people get to know you :D
Oh, will do and thanks much for the tip Xercodo. I'll see you there. |

Echo Echoplex
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:04:00 -
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Sevastian Liao wrote:What's this? Surely, you're too perfect a fit for the game to really exist. I'll prove you worng, just watch me.
Sevastian Liao wrote:Welcome to EVE, enjoy your stay. Thanks a lot! |

Spathe Ne Boirelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:05:00 -
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Maybe joining a corp will easy your learning curve. Reading is a very good choice and option but other times and most of the time, most people learn faster by voice. So join a corp (perhaps going in the recruitment forum and tell you want a corp and your a newb) and have even more fun |

Echo Echoplex
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:11:00 -
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True, time to just dive in and learn through doing. it looks like yes, I should join a corp. for awhile. I did try downloading the Vivox but I got an incompatibility error. Will try again. Thanks for all the help guys. |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1183
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:13:00 -
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...and just in case you had any delusions about it: prepare to be the target of lots of sexual innuendos and general drama due to your gender.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2393
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:15:00 -
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Echo Echoplex wrote:True, time to just dive in and learn through doing. it looks like yes, I should join a corp. for awhile. I did try downloading the Vivox but I got an incompatibility error. Will try again. Thanks for all the help guys.
Do you mean the voice thing from the EVEGate website? I wouldn't worry about it, not many corps use in-game voice anyway.
More likely you'll want teamspeak 3 or mumble.
The tutors chat as a teamspeak we use on occasion and WgoE intervirews are done in voice chat, usually something like TS too :D The Drake is a Lie |

Echo Echoplex
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:35:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:...and just in case you had any delusions about it: prepare to be the target of lots of sexual innuendos and general drama due to your gender. No delusions and a very conscious choice. Thanks :-)
Xercodo wrote:Echo Echoplex wrote:True, time to just dive in and learn through doing. it looks like yes, I should join a corp. for awhile. I did try downloading the Vivox but I got an incompatibility error. Will try again. Thanks for all the help guys. Do you mean the voice thing from the EVEGate website? I wouldn't worry about it, not many corps use in-game voice anyway. More likely you'll want teamspeak 3 or mumble. The tutors chat as a teamspeak we use on occasion and WgoE intervirews are done in voice chat, usually something like TS too :D Yes, the EVEgate thing-I'll check out teamspeak and mumble then, good to know. Mac is proving to be a pita enough already^^ |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
233
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:35:00 -
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Echo Echoplex wrote:
"Fit your jsodef with a giejpr and two F235 fjeies and warp to Maowojdje. From there, invest in some tzrqt lasers and gate to Obidijw and join a HNWQ with a view to swkwhing your stpqxe jjeurwowk sogorkejwhwjusi. Simples".
Don't forget to drunkt in the jekd and use the ploates to binkle the stinkle.
...and noone ever really quits they just take a break then they come back to remember why they left. If you look through the "Hi, I tried this game X years ago and didn't like it but want to give it another shot...what should I do" threads you find these are the same people with the "RAAAAGGGEEE I QUITS" threads from years ago.
If you have a girl's voice use it to rob lonely neckbeards. Shake whatcha mama gave ya. |

voetius
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
41
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:44:00 -
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I wouldn't take too much notice of the rage quitters. Bear in mind that there several hundred thousand people subscribed and even if a tiny percentage of them rage quit publicly on the forums that is still going to be a few posts.
Have fun. |

Echo Echoplex
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:56:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Echo Echoplex wrote:
"Fit your jsodef with a giejpr and two F235 fjeies and warp to Maowojdje. From there, invest in some tzrqt lasers and gate to Obidijw and join a HNWQ with a view to swkwhing your stpqxe jjeurwowk sogorkejwhwjusi. Simples".
Don't forget to drunkt in the jekd and use the ploates to binkle the stinkle. ...and noone ever really quits they just take a break then they come back to remember why they left. If you look through the "Hi, I tried this game X years ago and didn't like it but want to give it another shot...what should I do" threads you find these are the same people with the "RAAAAGGGEEE I QUITS" threads from years ago. If you have a girl's voice use it to rob lonely neckbeards. Shake whatcha mama gave ya. Yep, maybe I'll even get a new toaster out of it.
voetius wrote: I wouldn't take too much notice of the rage quitters. Bear in mind that there several hundred thousand people subscribed and even if a tiny percentage of them rage quit publicly on the forums that is still going to be a few posts.
Have fun.
Oh, I know, it's just like other forums x 1000 but interesting nevertheless^^. Thanks! |

Zanzbar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
136
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Posted - 2013.06.07 17:00:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Echo Echoplex wrote:
"Fit your jsodef with a giejpr and two F235 fjeies and warp to Maowojdje. From there, invest in some tzrqt lasers and gate to Obidijw and join a HNWQ with a view to swkwhing your stpqxe jjeurwowk sogorkejwhwjusi. Simples".
Don't forget to drunkt in the jekd and use the ploates to binkle the stinkle.
someone has been abusing illegal combat boosters again |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
12
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Posted - 2013.06.07 17:02:00 -
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Most of the rage quitters seem to be players who don't understand Eve is PvP all the time, even if you want to be left alone. They expect it to be like every other MMO where you have to queue for the PvP arena. Eve has ruinned all those other games for me now. I started standing around with my level 80 thief in Guild Wars 2 and wonder why I couldn't shove one of these rusty blades in between the ribs of the guy standing next to me. I couldn't because of stupid game mechanics. I'm a freakin' thief, and I can't be bad.
Most videogames have it built right into the logic that you will win. Those games want you to have a positive experience so you'll buy the sequel. In Eve there is no guarantee you'll win. Even in the awful PvE which you can win at 100% of the time, another player can come in and gank you, or take the loot drop you needed to complete the mission and you'll loose. The only way to "win" at Eve is to fight for it. Even then, some days you'll be the windshield and some days you'll be the bug.
You need a good attitude for the times you're the bug. A learning attitude. My kickboxing instructor told me that we don't learn from our successes, we learn from failure. So you have to be willing to learn when your ship explodes. If you rage you won't learn anything and you'll provide precious tears Eve pilots love to collect. I had my Venture ganked in week 3 of Eve by a pirate. That guy became my first Eve friend. Provided me tons of information on protecting myself from guys just like him. I eventually became his scout for other ganks. It was great and he's still my friend today.
One final bit of advice: Don't listen to the carebears. You don't have to wait until you have 20mil skillpoints to do something fun. Get some friends in frigates and go camp a lowsec gate some where. With 30 days training you can be sitting in a stealth bomber cloaked up in null waiting for your first bombing run to start with Bombers Bar. 10 hours of training and you can join up with the New Order and gank miners for fun and profit. Not sure how much training, but not much, and you can sit in a Merlin and lock and jam those same New Order gankers, saving a miner and watching faction police blow up the gankers. If you can get into a null alliance you can be a tackler in a frigate on day 1 tackling ships bigger than you and helping your alliance mates kill it.
There are tons of things you can do in Eve that don't require you to have a time machine back to 2007 so you have the skillpoints. Resist the urge to spend your first several months cycling the mining lasers or rescuing that freakin' damsel. |

Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
99
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Posted - 2013.06.07 17:06:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:big wall o' text
Some people are just fine not PvPing. Everyone says that EVE is so much better for a sandbox - where you can do whatever you want - yet then say that "you aren't playing it right".  Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
12
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Posted - 2013.06.07 17:13:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:big wall o' text Some people are just fine not PvPing. Everyone says that EVE is so much better for a sandbox - where you can do whatever you want - yet then say that "you aren't playing it right". 
In Eve there is always PvP. CCP has tried to nerf it down a ton, but still a player can come pee in your cheerios at any time. Those that don't understand that provide tears that fuel my black heart. That said, every kind of PvP I've engaged in someone else has said its not "real" PvP. But sensi say, "always cheat; if you're in a fair fight you have bad tactics." |

Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
99
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Posted - 2013.06.07 17:21:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:In Eve there is always PvP. CCP has tried to nerf it down a ton, but still a player can come pee in your cheerios at any time. Those that don't understand that provide tears that fuel my black heart. That said, every kind of PvP I've engaged in someone else has said its not "real" PvP. But sensi say, "always cheat; if you're in a fair fight you have bad tactics."
It's sad that you gain happiness by that. Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic |

Echo Echoplex
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.06.07 17:24:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: ...Most videogames have it built right into the logic that you will win. Those games want you to have a positive experience so you'll buy the sequel. In Eve there is no guarantee you'll win. Even in the awful PvE which you can win at 100% of the time, another player can come in and gank you, or take the loot drop you needed to complete the mission and you'll loose. The only way to "win" at Eve is to fight for it. Even then, some days you'll be the windshield and some days you'll be the bug.
You need a good attitude for the times you're the bug. A learning attitude. My kickboxing instructor told me that we don't learn from our successes, we learn from failure. So you have to be willing to learn when your ship explodes. If you rage you won't learn anything and you'll provide precious tears Eve pilots love to collect. I had my Venture ganked in week 3 of Eve by a pirate. That guy became my first Eve friend. Provided me tons of information on protecting myself from guys just like him. I eventually became his scout for other ganks. It was great and he's still my friend today.
These are the things about it that differentiate it for me, and as corny and philosophical as it may sound, it seems to me that winning really is just having the right attitude about whatever happens, not killboards or SPs or any of the rest of it. I'm looking forward to what I'll learn about myself in the process-what I'll learn about everyone else too.
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:One final bit of advice: Don't listen to the carebears. You don't have to wait until you have 20mil skillpoints to do something fun. Get some friends in frigates and go camp a lowsec gate some where. With 30 days training you can be sitting in a stealth bomber cloaked up in null waiting for your first bombing run to start with Bombers Bar. 10 hours of training and you can join up with the New Order and gank miners for fun and profit. Not sure how much training, but not much, and you can sit in a Merlin and lock and jam those same New Order gankers, saving a miner and watching faction police blow up the gankers. If you can get into a null alliance you can be a tackler in a frigate on day 1 tackling ships bigger than you and helping your alliance mates kill it.
There are tons of things you can do in Eve that don't require you to have a time machine back to 2007 so you have the skillpoints. Resist the urge to spend your first several months cycling the mining lasers or rescuing that freakin' damsel. Yeah, I don't see myself spending months on PvE, in fact, it's a little odd to me the notion of fearing PvP in the first place. It's pixels for God's sake. If I find myself limiting my play style it'll likely be isk related more than anything else. |

Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
100
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Posted - 2013.06.07 17:47:00 -
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"Echo Echoplex" wrote:Yeah, I don't see myself spending months on PvE, in fact, it's a little odd to me the notion of fearing PvP in the first place. It's pixels for God's sake. If I find myself limiting my play style it'll likely be isk related more than anything else.
It may be pixels but ships (and modules) in EVE take a long time to train for and are very costly usually. I think that's why people take PvP a little more seriously in EVE than in other MMOs. Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic |

Echo Echoplex
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.06.07 18:12:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:"Echo Echoplex" wrote:Yeah, I don't see myself spending months on PvE, in fact, it's a little odd to me the notion of fearing PvP in the first place. It's pixels for God's sake. If I find myself limiting my play style it'll likely be isk related more than anything else. It may be pixels but ships (and modules) in EVE take a long time to train for and are very costly usually. I think that's why people take PvP a little more seriously in EVE than in other MMOs. True, and I don't want to end up paying to play either. Funny if I end of doing nothing but mining. |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
234
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Posted - 2013.06.07 18:19:00 -
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Echo Echoplex wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Echo Echoplex wrote:
"Fit your jsodef with a giejpr and two F235 fjeies and warp to Maowojdje. From there, invest in some tzrqt lasers and gate to Obidijw and join a HNWQ with a view to swkwhing your stpqxe jjeurwowk sogorkejwhwjusi. Simples".
Don't forget to drunkt in the jekd and use the ploates to binkle the stinkle. ...and noone ever really quits they just take a break then they come back to remember why they left. If you look through the "Hi, I tried this game X years ago and didn't like it but want to give it another shot...what should I do" threads you find these are the same people with the "RAAAAGGGEEE I QUITS" threads from years ago. If you have a girl's voice use it to rob lonely neckbeards. Shake whatcha mama gave ya. Yep, maybe I'll even get a new toaster out of it.
Aw man, there are gonna be some really blue balled manbabies out there less some assets. I almost blew coffee all over my keyboard.
So...a lady walks into a hardware store and asks the clerk how to fix her loose door hinge. He says "Ya wanta screw for it?'....she says "No, but I'll blow ya for the toaster on the top shelf". 
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Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2394
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Posted - 2013.06.07 18:34:00 -
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Echo Echoplex wrote:Yeah, I don't see myself spending months on PvE, in fact, it's a little odd to me the notion of fearing PvP in the first place. It's pixels for God's sake.  If I find myself limiting my play style it'll likely be isk related more than anything else.
Wait until you actually feel it.
Last night a newb in a frigate challenged me to a duel.
I popped him in under a minute and I continued about my day.
Later that night I went ratting in lowsec waiting for someone to try and shoot me.
Even though I was prepared as soon as a I saw the hurricane and thorax land on the grid my heart rate doubled.
It's awesome..... The Drake is a Lie |

Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
104
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Posted - 2013.06.07 18:38:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Echo Echoplex wrote:Yeah, I don't see myself spending months on PvE, in fact, it's a little odd to me the notion of fearing PvP in the first place. It's pixels for God's sake.  If I find myself limiting my play style it'll likely be isk related more than anything else. Wait until you actually feel it. Last night a newb in a frigate challenged me to a duel. I popped him in under a minute and I continued about my day. Later that night I went ratting in lowsec waiting for someone to try and shoot me. Even though I was prepared as soon as a I saw the hurricane and thorax land on the grid my heart rate doubled. It's awesome.....
It's called adrenaline and it's quite common.  Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic |
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