It's worth emphasizing this; we were changing skill training so training before and after was always going to be different. But we grandfathered all previous ability to fly ships. We then went out of our way to encourage people to train all racial frigates and cruisers in addition to destroyer 5 and battlecruiser 5 so people would get the most benefit out of the changes. Here's, e.g., what I posted on Twitter

https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/299628968179535872
https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/299635699408330752
https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/340781888765583360

and I know others re-tweeted and posted as well, in addition to forum replies, following http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/

my character will be as before when i spend few hours and will have all BC lvl 5. its just simple logic.

i understand position of that few players in this thread, and i think i will not hear any new. only that you have the same capability as before patch, but thats not true and if i tell that story to any lawyer thay will tell that im right and its not the same character.

My question is why wasn't Racial Destroyer and Racial Battlecruiser skills given based on the level of Destroyers and Battlecruisers. Including the level of Racial cruisers just seems to over complicate things.

It's worth emphasizing this; we were changing skill training so training before and after was always going to be different. But we grandfathered all previous ability to fly ships. We then went out of our way to encourage people to train all racial frigates and cruisers in addition to destroyer 5 and battlecruiser 5 so people would get the most benefit out of the changes. Here's, e.g., what I posted on Twitter

https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/299628968179535872
https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/299635699408330752
https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/340781888765583360

and I know others re-tweeted and posted as well, in addition to forum replies, following http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/

Hello, twitter is not a eve resource.
in this post no words about http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/
you must trian lvl 1 frigs of all race to recive character as before patch. quote: "In case you wonder, the skill reimbursement also includes:

Removal and refund of all Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill books at the NPC order price.
Partial skill training will be properly be saved and duplicated. If you are halfway between Destroyers 3 and 4 when the change hits, your progress will be properly copied to all the racial Destroyer skills you are eligible for.

If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed.


Skill queues having Destroyer and/or Battlecruiser in-training will be paused at the time of the change. If you expect to be away for a long time when the reimbursement hits, please make sure you donGÇÖt train either of these skills."

you all say GÇ£if you could fly it before, you can fly it nowGÇ¥ my tehnical english dosent translate this like: train all frigs of all race to recive character as before patch, there no translation on my nature languge on this forum.
i look all my characters and discover that http://i.imgur.com/PkJo8Ck.jpg I got an undeserved FREE SP, becouse before patch i cant fly BC after patch i recive undeserved SP so CCP i ask please REMOVE that SP.


if all was clear there would be petitions to support

Because Racial Cruiser 3 was Primary skill required to fly Racial Balllecruiser before Odyssey. It was an indicator that you able to fly particular ship and you will get Racial Battlecruiser skill reimbursement.
Simple as that.

As long as Racial Cruiser 3 is a requirement to actually fly said ship. Where would the actual problem be if they had just swapped Destroyers/Battlecruisers for racials at the same level ?

As long as Racial Cruiser 3 is a requirement to actually fly said ship. Where would the actual problem be if they had just swapped Destroyers/Battlecruisers for racials at the same level ?

you all say GÇ£if you could fly it before, you can fly it nowGÇ¥ my tehnical english dosent translate this like: train all frigs of all race to recive character as before patch, there no translation on my nature languge on this forum.
i look all my characters and discover that http://i.imgur.com/PkJo8Ck.jpg I got an undeserved FREE SP, becouse before patch i cant fly BC after patch i recive undeserved SP so CCP i ask please REMOVE that SP.

Oh boy, here we go again. You write walls of text on English, desperately trying to get reimbursement for your own greedy behavior or natural stupidity.
At the same time you complaining about lack of devblog translated on Russian but there is one since 4 April and EVElopedia is an one of official CCP informational channels (so you can't complain about twitter of EVE-Ru anymore):
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/-û-¦-Ç-¦-+-¦_-+-¦-é-+_-é-Ç-+-+-¦-¦-å-¦-é-+-¦-+_-¦-+-¦-¦:_-+-+-+-¦-+-¦-+-+-Å_-¦_-+-¦-Ç-¦-Ç-à-+-+_-+-¦-¦-ï-¦-+-¦_-â-+-Ç-¦-¦-+-¦-+-+-Å_-¦-+-Ç-¦-¦-+-Å-+-+

I will quote with bold font specially for special snowflake like you:

The problem would have been that people would have lost their ability to fly certain ship at all, or have their ability to fly other ships reduced compared to where they stood before.

The bonuses to Dessies/BCs always derived from the Dessy/BC skill, and nothing else GÇö the Frigate/Cruiser requirement was basically just a check that you had past that milestone in your ship progression and not skipped ahead to the the good stuff. Therefore, the important part to retain was that Dessy/BC skill level, and the Frigate/Cruiser skills were just a test to see whether you should be allowed to fly any given ship using the new skills.

Had they made it so that Racial Frigate III + Destroyer V GåÆ Racial Destroyer III (what you're suggesting as a simpler solution, if I read you correctly?), then people who could fly destroyers with max bonuses would have lost that ability. In addition, people who could fly T2 destroyers would have lost that ability too, since, like all T2 ships, they require the base hull skill at V.

The entire idea of the GÇ£if you could fly it beforeGÇ¥ grandfather clause was exactly that: that no-one should ever have their abilities or bonuses. What you could or could not train was never part of the equation, nor could it be as explained by Explorer above. If you could train it, you should have trained it.

What i meant was if you had Destroyers V then you should get all Racial Destroyer skills at V regardless of the level of frigate/cruiser levels.

I would argue that PRE expansion the Knowledge (the bonuses) in regards to destroyers/battlecruisers was in that skill.

you say im stupid or greedy but what bad in that i whish to recive what is my? and even in this translation you link there is no word about you will train frig lvl 1 to recive benefit. there is word about train lvl 3 cruser to recive not sp but skill.

You have invested 1017094 SP in Battlecruiser skill, you have received 1017094 FREE SP as compensation, as was clearly stated in many news sources. You have received what is yours.

"I needed only few hours until I can fly all Battlecruisers" does not equal to "I already can fly all Battlecruisers".
Don't play dumb saying that you don't understand this.

i read this dev blog that cleary sayd u recive 6+mil sp for removing skills. after that i must google it to finde what realy means "

Not to derail this (but I will anyway).

In what scenario would the below be true? I dont recall now before the change but was it possible to inject the BC skill without training any of the frig cruiser skills to the required level to fly?

" If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. ?"

Yes. You can usually check the wiki since it tends to lag behind the actual patch by a month or twelve.

Before, the BC skill only required Spaceship Command, but the ships themselves required the Cruiser skill. After the patch, that has been reversed: now the BC skills requires Cruiser to be trained, but the ships themselves do not.

Thanks.

And to the OP this is the only relevant point. If you somehow trained BC to 5 but could not actually fly any, you get a nice SP reimbursment for losing the BC skill. If you could fly even just one, you get that racial skill and nothing else.

If you were unclear due to translation issues you had plenty of time to file a petition to clarify.

already waiting 4 days to some one answer my petition

already waiting 4 days to some one answer my petition

If you were unclear you are about 5 months too late on that petition.

clearly understand that...