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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:37:00 -
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One curiousity. You still never answered a fairly simple question which may help.
What Battlecruisers could you fly before Odyssey?
What Battlecruisers can you fly now?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14669
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:37:00 -
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GǪand you got the latter.
Quote:what i must petition 5 month ago ? Because that's when they published the blog, so if you had any questions, then would have been a good time to ask.
Quote:I really do not understand why the CCP can not go towards customers. and solve this. Because there is nothing to solve. You qualified for a racial battlecruiser skill, so you don't get any SP. Your reimbursement has already happened.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
260
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:38:00 -
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You clearly misunderstood it, as has been explained through 5 pages. CCP solved this problem already, about a year (Or maybe one-and-a-half) ago.
Anyway, I feel that the carrier that I cannot yet fly, and do not yet own, should come pre-rigged with the new capital rigs. It's only fair, I was ~100 days away from flying it when Oddysey hit, I could have trained for it!!!
WAAAAAAAH.
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Mental Peasant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:That would create the opposite problem, since it would mean handing out great swaths of abilities that people never had.
Tippia wrote:Not quite. Pre expansion, the ability was divided into two skills, but only one of them was relevant for giving any bonuses. Post patch, both ability and bonus are tied to a single skill, same as with all other hulls.
Battlecruisers V Pre expansion would mean maximum proficiency when flying all races Battlecruisers. The bonuses regarding Battlecruisers both Pre and post are tied directly into the Battlecruisers skill. Whether you could fly it or not seems moot.
Battlecruisers Pre expansion equals the same knowledge that has now been split into 4 skills. That knowledge shouldn't be tied into whether or not you can fly a specific races Frigates/Cruisers
The Racial Frigates/Cruisers skills should however be required to actually board said ships post expansion.
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Namasta
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:46:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Namasta wrote:clearly understand that... clearly not, or you wouldn't have made this thread. CCP Explorer said there is answer https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/299628968179535872 https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/299635699408330752 https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/340781888765583360 can you read this twitts and cleary understend that you need to lvl frigs to get sp reimbursment? even on my own languge evewiki page no information about it only how to get skill reimbursment. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9970
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:49:00 -
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CCP don't "reimburse" skillpoints because you can't understand what is clearly written.
1 Kings 12:11
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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
260
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:50:00 -
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Mental Peasant wrote:The Racial Frigates/Cruisers skills should however be required to actually board said ships post expansion. That was exactly what they wanted to get away from. Before, you needed both the generic BC skill and the racial Cruiser skill. Now, you only need the racial BC skill. The guiding principle was always that you should be able to fly what you could before. If you weren't able to fly a racial BC, why should you be given that skill, AND keep the racial cruiser req.s? It would be so backwards, it would stretch the imagination of any normal person to think it up.
My biggest problem with the new racial skills are the increased SP (Bumped all 3 "main on account" characters up a clone).
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Namasta
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:51:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:CCP don't "reimburse" skillpoints because you can't understand what is clearly written.
If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed.
there is no words about : but you must have lvl frigs to get it. only words about if you dosent have. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1420
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:52:00 -
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What Battlecruisers could you fly before Odyssey?
What Battlecruisers can you fly now? |

Mister McDerp
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:53:00 -
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Thank Namasta. You've finally given me a reason to despair about stupidity of some Eve Players and kill myself
(ingame)
I mean, everyone explained it to you, in ways that were completely unnecessary superclear. And you still think you're right. Just... accept it. And also, i know some pretty stupid people (myself included) with bad understanding of the english language and not a single one had problems to understand what to do to get the most out of the skillchanges. |

Dave Stark
3108
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:54:00 -
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yes i can, then again i read all the devblogs etc too, it was fairly simple to me from the beginning. |

Mister McDerp
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:56:00 -
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lawl posting fail |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14670
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:57:00 -
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Mental Peasant wrote:Battlecruisers V Pre expansion would mean maximum proficiency when flying all races Battlecruisers. Not quite. BC V gave you maximum proficiency in flying any battlecruiser you could fly, but it was not the determining factor in what BCs those were. Now, BC works like any other T1 skill: it determines both which ships you can fly and how well you can fly them. The whole ship progression tree is made consistent.
Quote:The bonuses regarding Battlecruisers both Pre and post are tied directly into the Battlecruisers skill. Whether you could fly it or not seems moot. Whether you could fly them or not is the key factor. What matters is ability, and ability is what's being maintained between Retribution and Odyssey. So no, it's not moot GÇö quite the opposite. That's why they don't care about handing out billions of SP: because in the end, it's the ability (or not) to fly a given ship that matters.
Quote:Battlecruisers Pre expansion equals the same knowledge that has now been split into 4 skills. That knowledge shouldn't be tied into whether or not you can fly a specific races Frigates/Cruisers GǪand that's exactly what the patch fixed, because that's how it worked and it made no sense. Instead of determining what BCs you can fly based on an irrelevant skill, it is now handled the same way all other hulls are handled: by a single skill per race. Before the patch, the knowledge was split between 5 skills GÇö now, it's been turned into four skills with their logical and consistent prerequisites.
Quote:The Racial Frigates/Cruisers skills should however be required to actually board said ships post expansion. No they shouldn't, since that would defeat the purpose of tiercide and all the improvements that come with it. BCs and dessies are T1 hull skills. They are now treated as T1 hull skills rather than T2 skills. This makes the ship progression logical and consistent along the entire line of T1 ship classes.
There is absolutely no reason to keep the old system. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Mister McDerp
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:01:00 -
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Namasta wrote: If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed.
there is no words about : but you must have lvl frigs to get it. only words about if you dosent have.
From the devblog you linked yourself somewhere:
Quote:It is noteworthy to point out that if you donGÇÖt have a racial Cruiser at 3, then you wonGÇÖt receive the corresponding racial Battlecruiser skill. It is thus worthwhile to train all Racial Cruiser skill at 3, then focus on maximizing Battlecruisers before the reimbursement happens.
Quote:Still following? Good, now applies everything we have said before to Destroyers, you just need to replace racial Cruiser with racial Frigate instead.
You're wrong, we're right. It's actually that simple, give up. |

Namasta
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:02:00 -
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Mister McDerp wrote:Thank Namasta. You've finally given me a reason to despair about stupidity of some Eve Players and kill myself
(ingame)
I mean, everyone explained it to you, in ways that were completely unnecessary superclear. And you still think you're right. Just... accept it. And also, i know some pretty stupid people (myself included) with bad understanding of the english language and not a single one had problems to understand what to do to get the most out of the skillchanges. yes may be im stupid. but then i wait when they answer my petition and i will ask to remove that free sp that tey give to me http://i.imgur.com/PkJo8Ck.jpg becouse i cant fly it before and i cant fly it now it now and there no words about lvl1 or lvl2 frigs to have sp reimbursemet. so if im not right i wish to its sp point be removed. so CCP answer my petition i will give you accounts name were it must be removed. |

Namasta
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:02:00 -
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Mister McDerp wrote:Namasta wrote: If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed.
there is no words about : but you must have lvl frigs to get it. only words about if you dosent have.
From the devblog you linked yourself somewhere: Quote:It is noteworthy to point out that if you donGÇÖt have a racial Cruiser at 3, then you wonGÇÖt receive the corresponding racial Battlecruiser skill. It is thus worthwhile to train all Racial Cruiser skill at 3, then focus on maximizing Battlecruisers before the reimbursement happens. Quote:Still following? Good, now applies everything we have said before to Destroyers, you just need to replace racial Cruiser with racial Frigate instead. You're wrong, we're right. It's actually that simple, give up. i understend tnx. |

Mister McDerp
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:05:00 -
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Namasta wrote:yes may be im stupid. but then i wait when they answer my petition and i will ask to remove that free sp that tey give to me http://i.imgur.com/PkJo8Ck.jpg becouse i cant fly it before and i cant fly it now it now and there no words about lvl1 or lvl2 frigs to have sp reimbursemet. so if im not right i wish to its sp point be removed. so CCP answer my petition i will give you accounts name were it must be removed.
Those SP you had in Battlecruiser, which you got rightfully reimbursed. You weren't able to fly a BC, you're still not. Its as it should be. As has been explained to you multiple times.
Now you're even wrong in being a hair-splitter.
Namasta wrote: i understend tnx.
awesome we're done. |

Namasta
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:08:00 -
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Mister McDerp wrote:Namasta wrote:yes may be im stupid. but then i wait when they answer my petition and i will ask to remove that free sp that tey give to me http://i.imgur.com/PkJo8Ck.jpg becouse i cant fly it before and i cant fly it now it now and there no words about lvl1 or lvl2 frigs to have sp reimbursemet. so if im not right i wish to its sp point be removed. so CCP answer my petition i will give you accounts name were it must be removed. Those SP you had in Battlecruiser, which you got rightfully reimbursed. You weren't able to fly a BC, you're still not. Its as it should be. As has been explained to you multiple times. Now you're even wrong in being a hair-splitter. Namasta wrote: i understend tnx.
awesome we're done. no not exlained where in this text http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/ words about you have bc skill and frigs skill and you will have sp reibursted for BC ? |

Utremi Fasolasi
The Jagged Edge Rebel Alliance of New Eden
259
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:09:00 -
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Namasta wrote:yes may be im stupid. but then i wait when they answer my petition and i will ask to remove that free sp that tey give to me http://i.imgur.com/PkJo8Ck.jpg becouse i cant fly it before and i cant fly it now it now and there no words about lvl1 or lvl2 frigs to have sp reimbursemet. so if im not right i wish to its sp point be removed. so CCP answer my petition i will give you accounts name were it must be removed.
Just use the reimbursed skill point pool to add to the skills you want to have now, it will shorten everything quite a bit. |

Mister McDerp
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:11:00 -
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there:
Quote:If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. |

Namasta
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:13:00 -
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Namasta wrote:yes may be im stupid. but then i wait when they answer my petition and i will ask to remove that free sp that tey give to me http://i.imgur.com/PkJo8Ck.jpg becouse i cant fly it before and i cant fly it now it now and there no words about lvl1 or lvl2 frigs to have sp reimbursemet. so if im not right i wish to its sp point be removed. so CCP answer my petition i will give you accounts name were it must be removed. Just use the reimbursed skill point pool to add to the skills you want to have now, it will shorten everything quite a bit. and pay CCP for other 3-month that tey stole no way man im done. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1421
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:15:00 -
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Namasta wrote:Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Namasta wrote:yes may be im stupid. but then i wait when they answer my petition and i will ask to remove that free sp that tey give to me http://i.imgur.com/PkJo8Ck.jpg becouse i cant fly it before and i cant fly it now it now and there no words about lvl1 or lvl2 frigs to have sp reimbursemet. so if im not right i wish to its sp point be removed. so CCP answer my petition i will give you accounts name were it must be removed. Just use the reimbursed skill point pool to add to the skills you want to have now, it will shorten everything quite a bit. and pay CCP for other 3-month that tey stole no way man im done.
What Battlecruisers could you fly before Odyssey?
What Battlecruisers can you fly now? |

Mister McDerp
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:15:00 -
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Namasta wrote: and pay CCP for other 3-month that tey stole no way man im done.
I was quite determined just know to just pound this stuff into your head until you get you're wrong, but i think I'll do what I always do when i reach an obstacle: Give up.
Have fun quitting eve. |

Namasta
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:15:00 -
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Mister McDerp wrote:there: Quote:If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. by this words i dont have and other 3 race frigs so were is my SP? :) but im tired, you whant eat this **** ? do it but to me its done. |

Dave Stark
3108
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:18:00 -
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Namasta wrote:by this words i dont have and other 3 race frigs so were is my SP? :) you clearly didn't read it properly, read it again.
tip: you have a racial frigate, and a racial cruiser at the relevant skill level. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1421
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:18:00 -
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Namasta wrote:Mister McDerp wrote:there: Quote:If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. by this words i dont have and other 3 race frigs so were is my SP? :) but im tired, you whant eat this **** ? do it but to me its done.
What Battlecruisers could you fly before Odyssey?
What Battlecruisers can you fly now?
Why is it such a hard question to answer? |

Namasta
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:19:00 -
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if anyone intrested in theres characters i give you it for free just pay transfer buy giving me plex. all will be through official eve trade forum as private trade. they a miners. write ti this character via eve mail. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14672
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:20:00 -
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Namasta wrote:and pay CCP for other 3-month that tey stole no way man im done. Your failure to train the skills required to get the most skills out of this switch-over does not constitute GÇ£stealingGÇ¥ on CCP's part.
You were given exactly the skills you were supposed to have; you have the exact same abilities as before; you have lost nothing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Namasta
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:21:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Namasta wrote:Mister McDerp wrote:there: Quote:If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. by this words i dont have and other 3 race frigs so were is my SP? :) but im tired, you whant eat this **** ? do it but to me its done. What Battlecruisers could you fly before Odyssey? What Battlecruisers can you fly now? Why is it such a hard question to answer? can you too answer simple question where in this dev blogs words about you have frig you have sp , dont have take a ****!? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14672
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:23:00 -
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Namasta wrote:can you too answer simple question where in this dev blogs words about you have frig you have sp , dont have take a ****!? The answer to this question will not change just because you keep asking it:Quote:If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed. What Battlecruisers could you fly before Odyssey?
What Battlecruisers can you fly now?
Why is it such a hard question to answer? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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