Its a little sadder now that with 2 missing guns and low missile skills I'm just gonna replace my favorite ship soon.

Why?
My mission rail-Hyper has 1200+ DPS with sentry drones.
Also guns outperform missiles in 90% of situations. Why would you want to change to a worse weapon system?
This CM buff didn't make them op and super good. It's more or less the same. You still can't one-shot frigs and other things missiles can't do.

If you don't like rails' drawbacks use blasters.
With blasters you can get 1400+dps. I actually love new hyper because you have less problems fitting it and you get more DPS because of drones.

Hyper is awesome, you should try different fits. Something might work for you.

Also guns outperform missiles in 90% of situations. Why would you want to change to a worse weapon system?

lolwut. So missiles being fully damage selectable, no effective minimum range and generally longer maximum range makes them worse in 90% of situations? ok.

1. No effective minimum range because of blasters. I shoot rats at 5km just the same as at 30 or 50km.
2. No need for a huge maximum range because I have MWD. It takes less than 10 seconds to get on the range I need to do my full DPS.
3. I don't need to change the damage type because hybrids do KIN/THERM. Every rat has a weakness to one of those damages.


1. Have damage reduction when a rat uses AB.
2. Need to use TP and wait for its cycle to end.
3. Have to use rigs and TPs to make missiles perform, while gun-ships don't need that and you have like 2-3 free slots.
4. No crits. Yes, guns can do critical damage. From time to time I can shoot some weak rat BS in 3 shots. My RoF is 4 sec so it takes 12 sec to kill a BS rat. Missiles can't do that.
5. Can't one-shot small frigs.
6. Damage reduction from Defenders. It works especially great when you fly a Golem. 1 defender reduces your damage by 25%.
7. Long reload time and small missile capacity. On ACs and Blasters you almost never reload during the mission.
8. Overdamage because the damage is not instant.

Try flying away from the rats, stringing them out. Large rails shouldn't have a problem blapping most NPC frigs beyond 30km.

The issue I wanted to ask about was then targeting small frigates, usually Angel Vipers or Thugs, at over 80km I would miss completely. If anything gets too close or two far away I just use the jump drive.

1. You need to web anything frigate sized to hit it at that close range, same as your TP argument. Also I would love to know what your DPS is at 30 or even 50km especially after the TE nerf.
2. Many level 4 missions spawn things over 70km away, a kronos with a mwd moves at around 1000m/s, not including acceleration and given the range issue mentioned above, you spend more time flying to your targets than actually shooting.
3. It's a secondary weakness, missiles can exploit primary weaknesses which are usually more effective by 10%. Considering hybrids do mixed damage means that it's always going to be hitting some kind of high resistance.

1. You have damage reduction for anything that you can't track
2. You need to use webs to hit small things and wait for that cycle to end
3. You need to use rigs for either better damage projection or cap, same story.
4. Missiles can 3 volley some battleships and from about 4x further away.
5. Who cares, that's what drones are for
6. Never had a problem with defenders, they appear so infrequently.
7. I shoot things from 100km away, my reload time is nothing compared to your useless MWDing around time.
8. You're bad if you don't know how to manage your launchers like that.

1. You need to web anything frigate sized to hit it at that close range, same as your TP argument. Also I would love to know what your DPS is at 30 or even 50km especially after the TE nerf.
2. Many level 4 missions spawn things over 70km away, a kronos with a mwd moves at around 1000m/s, not including acceleration and given the range issue mentioned above, you spend more time flying to your targets than actually shooting.
3. It's a secondary weakness, missiles can exploit primary weaknesses which are usually more effective by 10%. Considering hybrids do mixed damage means that it's always going to be hitting some kind of high resistance.

1. You have damage reduction for anything that you can't track
2. You need to use webs to hit small things and wait for that cycle to end
3. You need to use rigs for either better damage projection or cap, same story.
4. Missiles can 3 volley some battleships and from about 4x further away.
5. Who cares, that's what drones are for
6. Never had a problem with defenders, they appear so infrequently.
7. I shoot things from 100km away, my reload time is nothing compared to your useless MWDing around time.
8. You're bad if you don't know how to manage your launchers like that.

The issue I wanted to ask about was then targeting small frigates, usually Angel Vipers or Thugs, at over 80km I would miss completely. If anything gets too close or two far away I just use the jump drive.

The issue I wanted to ask about was then targeting small frigates, usually Angel Vipers or Thugs, at over 80km I would miss completely. If anything gets too close or two far away I just use the jump drive.

Guess you never flew a mission before using guns.
You don't need a web for blasters, they have an uber tracking.
Your 3 volleys take around 25-27 seconds while blasters' 3 volleys is around 12 sec.

Having MWD speeds up completing the missions.

If you don't know what's so good about one shooting frig rats you shut up and google it.

Aww damn, I again wasted my time on some monkey.

Why missiles still suck? That's why:
1. Have damage reduction when a rat uses AB.
2. Need to use TP and wait for its cycle to end.
3. Have to use rigs and TPs to make missiles perform, while gun-ships don't need that and you have like 2-3 free slots.
4. No crits. Yes, guns can do critical damage. From time to time I can shoot some weak rat BS in 3 shots. My RoF is 4 sec so it takes 12 sec to kill a BS rat. Missiles can't do that.
5. Can't one-shot small frigs.
6. Damage reduction from Defenders. It works especially great when you fly a Golem. 1 defender reduces your damage by 25%.
7. Long reload time and small missile capacity. On ACs and Blasters you almost never reload during the mission.
8. Overdamage because the damage is not instant.

I am very new, so this is more a question than a statement.

But wouldnt using a Target Painter increase the Signature Radius of the Frigates making them easier to hit? Also if OP had agro, then with the frigates beeline (MWD active etc) directly to OP which in turn greatly increase the chance to hit?

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Why missiles still suck? That's why:
1. Have damage reduction when a rat uses AB.
2. Need to use TP and wait for its cycle to end.
3. Have to use rigs and TPs to make missiles perform, while gun-ships don't need that and you have like 2-3 free slots.
4. No crits. Yes, guns can do critical damage. From time to time I can shoot some weak rat BS in 3 shots. My RoF is 4 sec so it takes 12 sec to kill a BS rat. Missiles can't do that.
5. Can't one-shot small frigs.
6. Damage reduction from Defenders. It works especially great when you fly a Golem. 1 defender reduces your damage by 25%.
7. Long reload time and small missile capacity. On ACs and Blasters you almost never reload during the mission.
8. Overdamage because the damage is not instant.

So yea, basically lolwot.

Good lord, this thread is just filled with missinformation. For the good of my nerves I'll just pretend that others didn't exist and answer OP directly:



Signature resolution only affects your tracking speed. Essentially, the resolution tells you what size of the target the gun's tracking is intended for. It also means it'll have an easier time tracking larger and a harder time tracking smaller targets. In short - if the target is moving directly at you, the guns will have near 100% chance to hit, regardless of size and tracking resolution. If they're moving at a certain angular velocity, then it depends on the target's size on whether the guns can hit or not. If you're 120 km out and the guns are shooting at the frigate going straight at you, they should hit.

What I'm guessing is that the frigs target your friend and burn at him, increasing their angular velocity relative to you. This causes you to lose the tracking on them at this distance. Learn how tracking works and adjust your movement direction accordingly, then you should be fine. Do note, though that railguns have fairly bad tracking as it is and unless you hit a good angle, you might have issues, even at 100 km. A Pulse Apocalypse with Scorch ammo will handle things considerably better, for instance. Alternatively, your friend can either target paint or web the targets for you, increasing your chance to hit them properly. But beyond this, it really is all about learning how to fly a gunship. Ironically for a lot of people in this thread, missile boats are considerably easier to use in this regard, as the only thing that matters there is the target's size and speed, regardless of what direction it's flying.

I see you don't do this "reading" a lot if you're complaining about hyperion losing guns and gun signature resolution?

The turret sig resolution for guns has been there for as long as I can remember. I hasn't changed at all and it only affects your tracking, not the dmg.

This is half true. Tracking side is correct, damage side is not. Turret sig radius determines the value of fully applicable percentage of damage.

I will give you an easy example:
If it were true, than a single Tornado would blast most of the frigates with one shot @ optimal range.
Your turret sig radius is 400.
Let's say your target frigate has 40 sig radius.
Let's say your salvo does 5000 damage to a battleship that has same resistance as with your target.
When you fire your weapon group to that frigate, it would say somewhere around 500 damage, instead of 5000.
I might be mistaken with the exact percentages, but hey, I just rounded pi to 3! ^.^