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Sanadras Riahn
This Nightmare
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Posted - 2013.06.10 09:02:00 -
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Rain6635 wrote:lI've been meaning to try a neutron blaster naga with logi support.
Talos will put out a bit more damage thanks to the tracking bonus, plus a flight of Drones. Plus, it looks like a damn sports cruiser. "This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |
Rain6635
Team Evil
192
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Posted - 2013.06.10 09:07:00 -
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but I don't have gallente battlecruis... oh! yes I do :-D Thanatoses for sale-á| is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
186
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Posted - 2013.06.10 10:39:00 -
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One thing to bear in mind about the Maelstrom is that before Odyssey, you couldn't fly it until you had Minmatar Battleship III, so the critical tank and gank bonuses were at a good level by the time you could step into the ship. Now, people can step into it at Minmatar Battleship I, and it'll probably feel underwhelming to them. Getting Battleship III is about one day's extra training, and worth it.
That said, a nice thing about the Maelstrom is that it'll grow with you, to a degree. 1200mm artillery serves well until you have the skills to fit the 1400's, and meta autocannons are acceptable until you can use T2's. You can over-tank as you learn, and then swap out tank modules for gank as you get more confident. It's practically as adaptable as the Raven against practically any opponent, and it's good in PVP as well as PVE (a dual-XLASB Maelstrom can be an absolute nightmare to deal with; just hope to all that's holy you can survive until he runs out of cap booster charges)... "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Sanadras Riahn
This Nightmare
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Posted - 2013.06.10 12:39:00 -
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All right, my question on this for you, Marc, is something you brought up.
You mention that the Maelstrom can grow with you, and as you improve you can drop some tank for more gank. Being inexperienced in shield tanking (though I've got enough to fit a T2 tank on a Maelstrom), I'm not certain how to increase the gank on a Maelstrom by dropping tank.
On a Raven it makes sense; you can sacrifice a hardener or two to put in a Target painter, which increases your ability to apply damage, thus upping your DPS. On any armor tank, it makes sense as well; dropping a hardener for a Magstab/equivalent. How does one accomplish the same for the Maelstrom? "This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |
Redora
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.10 13:10:00 -
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Sanadras Riahn wrote:All right, my question on this for you, Marc, is something you brought up.
You mention that the Maelstrom can grow with you, and as you improve you can drop some tank for more gank. Being inexperienced in shield tanking (though I've got enough to fit a T2 tank on a Maelstrom), I'm not certain how to increase the gank on a Maelstrom by dropping tank.
On a Raven it makes sense; you can sacrifice a hardener or two to put in a Target painter, which increases your ability to apply damage, thus upping your DPS. On any armor tank, it makes sense as well; dropping a hardener for a Magstab/equivalent. How does one accomplish the same for the Maelstrom?
Having flown a 1400 Mael in missions: Tracking Computers. I've since upgraded to a Vargur, but if you start dropping the 'little extra' tank mods for TCs, you can script in the extra tracking for frigs, and the optimal script to really reach out and torch someone.
My ending fit before I went Varg went something like this:
[Maelstrom, Mission Arty] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Co-Processor II Power Diagnostic System II
X-Large Shield Booster II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 100MN Afterburner II Shield Boost Amplifier II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
Obviously harden to taste. |
Termy Rockling
EVE University Ivy League
57
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Posted - 2013.06.10 14:28:00 -
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Nothin wrong in flyin BSes when you get t2 tank and decent drone/cap/gunnery skills, no need to wait months. Just use common sense. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1471
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:23:00 -
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I can't tell if you're suggesting faction fitting it or not. Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Dyphorus
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
52
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Posted - 2013.06.10 23:01:00 -
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Any cruise/long range turret fit BS with a MJD to make space is viable as long as you can manage the DPS to kill the rats. Efficiency will vary GREATLY. The key is the MJD and knowing triggers. With that you can run most missions without issue. I would say pick the race you want to fucus on, then pick the BS most friendly to your SP level and PvE in general, then fly that until you skills catch up.
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Rain6638
Team Evil
483
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Posted - 2013.06.11 04:24:00 -
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360dps Level 4 blaster harpy? c'mon, who's got a pair.
[Harpy, blaster harpy] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Internal Force Field Array I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I 1MN Afterburner I M51 Iterative Shield Regenerator
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Small EMP Smartbomb II
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Xeris 7
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.11 04:58:00 -
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I have ran a lot of L4s and I have found that while you may have a lot of Alpha or DPS if you don't match your damage to the rats weak resists it will take much longer to complete L4s. I run mish in Caldari space and while I love Mega pulses I found the Apoc to be much slower running mish in general than my Domi with sentrys. The Domi is more flexable, tanks better and allows me to apply precise damage type with high DPS out to 90km. Aggro concerns are mitigated by learning to properly cycle your drones.
I'm just saying flexibility and damage type choice is more viable for mish grind than maximizing your damage output so don't over obsess over it. While DPS can be an excellent tank, a traditional armor tank with rat spec hardeners is a more flexible and safer option for a low SP player. Not to mention drone skills will be useful your entire gaming career as will the tank skills. |
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Rain6638
Team Evil
483
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Posted - 2013.06.11 05:38:00 -
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ofc damage types. I would kinda recommend a raven.
My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x GÇÿHYPHNOSGÇÖ ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
also: you think I won't! Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Sanadras Riahn
This Nightmare
48
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Posted - 2013.06.11 08:17:00 -
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It's.... it's glorious!
Too bad I don't have Caldari Frig 5; that looks like it'd be a lot of fun just for the sake of it. "This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |
Rain6638
Team Evil
493
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:37:00 -
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thank you, that means a lot to me. it's very afk, and therapeutic. rather limited in damage type with blasters but it's a fun gimmick and a nice break from the battleship F1 game :-)
tbh i still need to shore up Assault Frig V on the first two chars, and small blaster spec (at III) Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Xeris 7
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:02:00 -
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Rain6638 wrote:ofc damage types. I would kinda recommend a raven. My Raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x GÇÿHYPHNOSGÇÖ ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I also: you think I won't!
Ya, this belongs in a thread about DPS and Alpha damage. lol.
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
326
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:08:00 -
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good thing this isnt a thread about DPS and alpha damage |
Rain6638
Team Evil
494
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:46:00 -
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did this up for another thread. bottom config was OP's.
1) Ease of use: move from T1 to T2 2) Speed of mission completion: fair, the trick is applying damage to smaller targets. also more damage type versatility 3) Ease of Upgrade: easy button 4) Ability to transfer into Incursions: if you go with a nightmare, it's directly in line with a nightmare (Caldari BS) 5) Cost (since these should be lower skilled) cheap
OP where's the caldari love? Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Sanadras Riahn
This Nightmare
49
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:13:00 -
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Rain6638 wrote:did this up for another thread. bottom config was OP's. 1) Ease of use: move from T1 to T2 2) Speed of mission completion: fair, the trick is applying damage to smaller targets. also more damage type versatility 3) Ease of Upgrade: easy button 4) Ability to transfer into Incursions: if you go with a nightmare, it's directly in line with a nightmare (Caldari BS) 5) Cost (since these should be lower skilled) cheap OP where's the caldari love?
I'll admit I'm guilty as charged. The reason why I hadn't posted a Raven fit is because almost all of my weaponry SPs are invested into gunnery (and my BS skills in everything but Caldari), which left the Raven anemic on the damage at best. Both the Raven and the Typhoon are battleships that interest me greatly, but there's a lot I need to put into them to make them comparable to most of the fits listed in the OP.
How bad this is was made apparent when looking at L3 ships and my Drake fit was doing half as much DPS as my Harbinger. "This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |
Chamiidra
Shazaam Industries EDGE Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:24:00 -
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Low skill BS for missions? Look no further than the space potato. The swiss army knife BS in eve. You can do almost all PVE content in one, and it can be servicible for PVP in certain situations. Train up to t2 sentries and you'll be afk'ing in lvl 4s no problem. |
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
61
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:45:00 -
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Sanadras Riahn wrote:I accidentally posted this in the wrong forum. Had too many tabs open...
So, now that the T1 Battleships have all been jumbled around, I'm trying to get back into what would be best for L4s as a Low-Med SP Mission Runner. A lot of the old fits are now outdated due to the T1 ship changes; I've, therefore, been coming up with some fit ideas, and wanted some feedback on what you think would be best.
Some things to consider for the Mission runner when grading these fits:
1) Ease of use 2) Speed of mission completion 3) Ease of Upgrade 4) Ability to transfer into Incursions 5) Cost (since these should be lower skilled)
And now, the ships:
*** NOTE: I seem to have left off the Drones; just assume 5 Hob Iis and 5 Hammie IIs ***
[Maelstrom, Ody PvE]
8x 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I (EMP L)
Tracking Computer II 2x Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II X-Large Shield Booster II Heavy Capacitor Booster II (Cap Booster 800)
4x Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
The stacking penalty would like a word with you after class. |
Sanadras Riahn
This Nightmare
49
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:56:00 -
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Caius Sivaris wrote:
The stacking penalty would like a word with you after class.
All right, then help me understand.
I understand that there is a stacking penalty, but does it actually hurt to have 4 Gyrostabs, or does the benefit of the fourth just drop of to near nothing once you've already got 3 on? I know I've seen a lot of builds that do 3 faction and 1 Tech 2 to avoid that stacking penalty.
Would another tracking enhancer better serve the build? "This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |
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Aplier Shivra
1
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:25:00 -
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Sanadras Riahn wrote:Caius Sivaris wrote:
The stacking penalty would like a word with you after class.
All right, then help me understand. I understand that there is a stacking penalty, but does it actually hurt to have 4 Gyrostabs, or does the benefit of the fourth just drop of to near nothing once you've already got 3 on? I know I've seen a lot of builds that do 3 faction and 1 Tech 2 to avoid that stacking penalty. Would another tracking enhancer better serve the build?
My numbers might be off by a few %, but: First module is 100% effectiveness 2nd is 87% 3rd is 57% 4th is 27% 5th is 10%
Your 4th gyrostab is already almost useless, and at that point a TE would probably be more dps because it would allow you to apply better. However, it's that rig that's really useless. It's operating at 10% of its normaly efficiency, meaning it only gives an actual 1% more dps, for 200 calibration. |
Sanadras Riahn
This Nightmare
49
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:00:00 -
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Aplier Shivra wrote:Sanadras Riahn wrote:Caius Sivaris wrote:
The stacking penalty would like a word with you after class.
All right, then help me understand. I understand that there is a stacking penalty, but does it actually hurt to have 4 Gyrostabs, or does the benefit of the fourth just drop of to near nothing once you've already got 3 on? I know I've seen a lot of builds that do 3 faction and 1 Tech 2 to avoid that stacking penalty. Would another tracking enhancer better serve the build? My numbers might be off by a few %, but: First module is 100% effectiveness 2nd is 87% 3rd is 57% 4th is 27% 5th is 10% Your 4th gyrostab is already almost useless, and at that point a TE would probably be more dps because it would allow you to apply better. However, it's that rig that's really useless. It's operating at 10% of its normaly efficiency, meaning it only gives an actual 1% more dps, for 200 calibration.
I actually didn't know the Rig was the problem! That's good to know, and a bit embarassing.
Since the Gyrostab provides both a Rate of Fire bonus and a Damage modifier, would an Ambit extension be better served for a Projectile Rig? "This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |
Aplier Shivra
1
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:20:00 -
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I don't really know projectile platforms well enough to comment on absolute best fit options, but I know that going 5 deep into stacking penalties is never worth it. For more dps, you could probably put on a powergrid rig and go for 1400's instead of 1200's. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1491
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:07:00 -
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I don't fault you for avoiding missiles and shields, which = Caldari for the most part.
Caldari has that stigma for being generally not-the-best for PVP, due to not-armor and not-instant damage. BUT for L4 missions, if you're serious about it, I would say torp raven with a shameless Co-processor--1200 DPS from T2 torps for a poor man's Golem--except it has as much DPS so it's pretty much a golem without the TP or boost bonus. and who cares about the tractor beam bonus--for the price, it's a crock.
moreover, the low transfer value of missile skills to anything other than a L4 raven or Golem, makes it a smarter idea to stick with the gunnery platforms.
so really, I was just teasing. although if you're getting into incursions Nightmares are great, but so are megathron variations.
I was born Caldari and I revel in L4 missions, but my advice to anyone else is Armor + Gunnery.
also: I still use this because I'm lazy. http://i.imgur.com/d8vNN8g.jpg <--stack 2/1 passive resists according to damage type. usually good for high 80s resist, saves cap, blah Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
I Accidentally YourShip
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
182
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Posted - 2013.06.16 01:24:00 -
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Aplier Shivra wrote:Sanadras Riahn wrote:Caius Sivaris wrote:
The stacking penalty would like a word with you after class.
All right, then help me understand. I understand that there is a stacking penalty, but does it actually hurt to have 4 Gyrostabs, or does the benefit of the fourth just drop of to near nothing once you've already got 3 on? I know I've seen a lot of builds that do 3 faction and 1 Tech 2 to avoid that stacking penalty. Would another tracking enhancer better serve the build? My numbers might be off by a few %, but: First module is 100% effectiveness 2nd is 87% 3rd is 57% 4th is 27% 5th is 10% Your 4th gyrostab is already almost useless, and at that point a TE would probably be more dps because it would allow you to apply better. However, it's that rig that's really useless. It's operating at 10% of its normaly efficiency, meaning it only gives an actual 1% more dps, for 200 calibration.
A 4th gyrostab is not useless, dps is dps. However in this case it might be better to drop the fourth for TE. That rig should be replaced by a T2 burst aerator for extra fun. The biggest boost is applied first, a T2 burst aerator would be at 100%, and then the gyros would suffer the stacking penalties, which is why 4 faction gyro T2 burst aerator on a Machariel is useful and acceptable.
Before you make statements about tracking you should probably run the fits in EFT first. Tracking is not something that is intuitive based on the numbers you get from it, running eft dps graphs with different typical ship sizes helps put it into perspective. In this case it is probably better to have the second TE even if the TC is scripted for tracking, but it isn't always the case to sacrifice a 4th damage mod for tracking especially for weapon systems that already have good tracking. Machariel is obviously one example where 4 damage mods is the only way to go, anything else is efficiency loss. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band
699
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Posted - 2013.06.16 01:46:00 -
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how low SP is low ??
Dominix is probably by far the most forgiving and low-sp pilot friendly battleship in the game.
You can skill into a fully T1 fitted one in a surprisingly short amount of time (and low SP total)
I don't recommend you do it though missions take forever to complete your DPS and Tank are also anaemic
it will work much better if you spend a little time honing the tanking & drone and gunnery skills then upgrade to the Fed Navy version |
I Accidentally YourShip
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
182
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:12:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:how low SP is low ??
Dominix is probably by far the most forgiving and low-sp pilot friendly battleship in the game.
You can skill into a fully T1 fitted one in a surprisingly short amount of time (and low SP total)
I don't recommend you do it though missions take forever to complete your DPS and Tank are also anaemic
it will work much better if you spend a little time honing the tanking & drone and gunnery skills then upgrade to the Fed Navy version
[Dominix, Low SP] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Lead Charge L 350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Lead Charge L 350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Lead Charge L 350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Lead Charge L 350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Lead Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Garde I x5
Requires Mechanic V and Hull Upgrades V, otherwise no other V skills required ("low SP").
With most skills at IV does 611 dps at ~52km, sentries track like autocannons on a Machariel with three TEs and max skills. Tanks 388 against angels which is getting to the dangerously low mark, but I've flown with a tank this low in missions, just need to be careful. Hit triggers properly and burn down high dps targets fast or build a more kitey fit like with MJD.
Replace AB with MJD and another gun with a DLA and you can simply kite hard missions (angels) at 100km away with bouncers, 109km optimal, 504.9 drone dps, guns won't go that far without going fully into falloff even with iron charges. Curators and wardens also hit out there, curators are lowest at 96km optimal, I'm sure you can slowboat those 4kms to get into optimal.
Fit improves as your skills go up, tank will become more than acceptable even against angels with a faction LAR or better yet deadspace. |
Boomhaur
151
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:36:00 -
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Low SP and battleships don't mix. Heck I have over 42mil SP and I am just now thinking about (not trained) getting into a battleship and I am almost entirely focused on combat. You might want to hold off a bit. And no I'm not joking/exagerating about my skills .
Now that I had my fun, in all seriousness I think a Domi would probably be one of the more LOW SP friendly BS's as I saw a few people already mention when I lightly skimmed the thread. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
I Accidentally YourShip
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
182
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Posted - 2013.06.17 06:35:00 -
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Boomhaur wrote:Low SP and battleships don't mix. Heck I have over 42mil SP and I am just now thinking about (not trained) getting into a battleship and I am almost entirely focused on combat. You might want to hold off a bit. And no I'm not joking/exagerating about my skills . Now that I had my fun, in all seriousness I think a Domi would probably be one of the more LOW SP friendly BS's as I saw a few people already mention when I lightly skimmed the thread.
You can have 42m SP and not have a single point in battleship based skills, it's not the amount you have it's where you put them.
My character was doing L4s in a battleship very quickly and I didn't even go the raven route. |
Aplier Shivra
4
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:16:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote: Before you make statements about tracking you should probably run the fits in EFT first. Tracking is not something that is intuitive based on the numbers you get from it, running eft dps graphs with different typical ship sizes helps put it into perspective. In this case it is probably better to have the second TE even if the TC is scripted for tracking, but it isn't always the case to sacrifice a 4th damage mod for tracking especially for weapon systems that already have good tracking. Machariel is obviously one example where 4 damage mods is the only way to go, anything else is efficiency loss.
The Tracking Enhancer suggestion wasn't so much for the tracking boost, but the range boost, but unfortunately the module isn't called a Range and Tracking Enhancer. Because almost all of an autocannon Mach's range is falloff, increasing range is also a direct increase to dps at anything farther than the abysmal optimal. I actually did put the numbers into EFT, and against low angular velocity targets (almost perfectly still battleships), the TE was more dps when range was above ~40% falloff (around 20km with the T1 ammo a low skill pilot would have, 50km with barrage), and better dps almost all the time against smaller or orbiting targets, including another BS orbiting you, which most tend to do at or before that aforementioned 20k range.
But anyways, there's enough low slots to go with 4 gyrostabs and 2 TE's, and as I mentioned I'm no pro with mach fits, just threw out a suggestion of one way he could improve what he currently has. The purpose of that post was more just to make the guy aware of the steepness of the stacking penalties, and when you get deep into that penalty there are usually other options that are more bang for your buck, as I don't think your "dps is dps" statement applies to using 200 calibration on 1% more paper dps. (and btw, using an ACR rig and upgrading to 1400's would be more dps than burst aerator II on 1200's) |
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