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Detaurus
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Posted - 2005.11.10 19:10:00 -
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um not against interceptors, that is not the issue. Combatting them is not the problem, it is effectively opposing them when setup for either missions, or 0.0 hunting. Apparently caldari need to sacrifice their mid slots=tank to effectively counter them. Oh and some Data
for you from evegeek.com missile calculator, with all missile skills at 4 damage from cruise against a 22 sig radius interceptor= 19 from Heavy Missiles =23
Damage to a battleships from cruise= 195 From heavy = 97 or a 98 damage average difference to make an extra 3 damage against interceptors.
Small ship does not mean Interceptor.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.11.10 20:14:00 -
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Detaurus. A PvE ship always has trouble taking on a PvP ship. That is the very reason people make distinctions. One (i.e. you) is set for making money by shooting space goats, while the other is set for having fun shooting the shooters of the space goats (i.e. shooting you).
The interceptors job, inspite of the wickedly wrong bonuses given to them, is to hold you in your place for a minute or two. Then the guns arive to take you out, using that damage type you forgot to tank.
Also, when speaking PvE, med slots is a part of the tank for both shield and armour tankers, with the Apocalypse generally being the *only* ship that has a med slot to spare (as opposed to the other armour tankers, Megathron, Typhoon, and Armageddon, which all have pretty poor capacitor abilities)
The short and concise argument form: Interceptor is a PvP ship. PvP ship > PvE ship when PvPing.
I wish there were more fun skills with Memory as primary. Poor Intaki combat people with low perception... |
Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.11.10 21:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Malacore
The Crow has cap?
as much cap as 2 velators!
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Krulla
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Posted - 2005.11.10 21:28:00 -
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Best thread I've seen in a long time.
Detaurus, you are the man. You own Bill Hicks at comedy.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2005.11.10 21:47:00 -
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Krulla you are pretty smart for someone that picked Minmatar.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.11.10 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Detaurus
Krulla you are pretty smart for someone that picked Minmatar.
And you picked Caldari... 
I think this thred is about to derail, to be honest. Not that it started very good, though.
I wish there were more fun skills with Memory as primary. Poor Intaki combat people with low perception... |
Garreck
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Posted - 2005.11.10 22:11:00 -
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I'm probably feeding the trolls here, but...
Heavy nos. That'll fix your inty problem. Who cares about an inty shooting you? Biggest threat from an inty is its tackling capabilities, biggest strength is its speed. No cap means no tackling or speed.
As for eleminating a class of ship...wow. While we're at it, let's take away a battleship's capacity to tank, covert ops ships' ability to get close undetected, heck...ecm vessels, drone boats, short range suited vessels, long range suited vessels...let's just orbit eachother at 20km, press f1-f[x] and wait to see who dies first.
What the deuce were you thinking?
Garreck
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Flash Landsraad
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Posted - 2005.11.11 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Detaurus
Yes, I am aware of CCP's bias against solo players.
Originally by: Detaurus
This is represenative of an essential belief of ccp that no one shoujld be able to play the game alone
Massively Multiplayer Online Game
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2005.11.11 00:21:00 -
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Yet tacklers can do so without help
implement propulsion strength NOW, and sized webifiers and warp scramblers, fitting oversized permitted but counterproductive.
Originally by: Flash Landsraad
Originally by: Detaurus
Yes, I am aware of CCP's bias against solo players.
Originally by: Detaurus
This is represenative of an essential belief of ccp that no one shoujld be able to play the game alone
Massively Multiplayer Online Game
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2005.11.11 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Naughty Boy on 11/11/2005 00:34:46
Originally by: Detaurus
Yet tacklers can do so without help
So what do you propose? a new ship type to help tacklers tackling?
Or... will you complain about the tackling assistant being able to do its job alone ? And, is he allowed to be a solo player or not ?
Honest questions by the way...
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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DrakeZakharov
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Posted - 2005.11.11 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: DrakeZakharov on 11/11/2005 01:40:10
I'd say interceptors should be kicked out of the game in favor of something a touch more durable.
Despite inty's in theory having a really good role, i have found that they really don't fulfil it well enough. Since they almost certainly HAVE to mount an MWD, and HAVE to use it to get close enough to tackle, they just die.
The list of mods that guarentee an inty dieing is rather too big for my tastes... smartbombs, med-heavy nos, drones, webs, painters...
The last one is especially horrific when combined with missiles, since although 3.5km/s should be enough to ensure survival, in practice any missile boat will put you out of the water in a few hits, due to the lack of ANY tank.
I would like to see tackler cruisers myself ... very few high slots, plenty of meds for tackling and MWD, plenty of low so that you can have relays to prevent getting sucked dry too fast. Give them a bonus to MWD sig penalty so their enlarged sig isn't too bad... et voila.... an interceptor that has a chance in hell of surviving till his mates can even target the bad guy.
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Mo Steel
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Posted - 2005.11.11 02:57:00 -
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Detaurus, is your real name "Reclaimer" by chance?
I swear I'm having a flashback to my PlanetSide forum days. 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.11.11 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Detaurus
heh, nice lines, but they are not mine. In any case, do your best. I ruined SWG, maybe EVE is next, muhahahahahahahahah.
YOU'RE THE CEO OF SOE????
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.11.11 09:42:00 -
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Im a fan of the BS, but in all honesty, the price of playing solo is the highest.
I would say solo in a Cruiser or BC at the most. BS is iffy.
~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon
Biomass fears me.
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Posted - 2005.11.11 10:44:00 -
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i think the point he is trying to get across is that the current cepter is too good,
it can gank like an af,
its very fast, very small sig,
can warp before otehr cepters can scramble it
in other words its pretty uber solo ship
imo the dmg output should be decreased, they shouldnt get any dmg bonous, maybe insted a tacking bonous.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2005.11.11 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Detaurus
So they all come from the woodwork. Notice I have insulted nor mocked none, but have instead stated my opinion, hehe, exactly my point. All Inty lovers hate me, because I shout truth FAR too often and with PERFECT elocution.
a new ginger?? ffs go away 
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LoKesh
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Posted - 2005.11.11 13:57:00 -
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Worried about crows? have one midslot to spare?
Spacial Destabilizer
Done.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.11.11 15:16:00 -
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Why bother with spatial? A single multispectral with decent ECM skills will turn off any interceptor you fight.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.11.12 05:16:00 -
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Aw, Detaurus. I thought you wanted to own me.
How are you going to own me from Deep Core Mining?
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2005.11.12 05:38:00 -
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Well first I have new folk in my corp so I kicked them out and they found new places to go, and as for me, well the agent feature find a person, is an exploit in my opinion, and should be removed from the game, until then, I will not pretend corp warfare is any type of open competition.
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.11.12 13:19:00 -
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haaaa... this thread is just not real
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2005.11.12 14:04:00 -
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I liken ships in Eve to Dinosaurs
Interceptors remind me of the velociraptors - Fast, tactic-oriented, most dangerous in groups
Battleships remind me of the T-Rex - Strong, and powerful, deals huge damage when it can get a clean shot on its speedy attackers
Transport ships remind me of the Brachiosauruses - These vegetarians are big slow lazy buggers, with a good bit of armor, and even the possibility of basic defences against smaller attackers
Mining Barges remind me of the Salamander - This harmless creature is a collector. It works painstakingly, usually finding the urge to run at first sign of predators, to stop it from being squashed
The T-rex is king of the jungle. He wanders around, stalking his prey. However a flock of velociraptors strategically finds the T-rex, and manage to flank him while he is trying to take the shields off a brachiosaurus. The t-rex dies a slow and painfull death, as the velociraptors slowly take peices off him. Once the velociraptors are sure the T-rex is dead, they give chase on the brachiosaurus, who has peacefully turned back to grazing in the fields with his Salamander friends.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.11.12 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
I liken ships in Eve to Dinosaurs
Interceptors remind me of the velociraptors - Fast, tactic-oriented, most dangerous in groups
Battleships remind me of the T-Rex - Strong, and powerful, deals huge damage when it can get a clean shot on its speedy attackers
Transport ships remind me of the Brachiosauruses - These vegetarians are big slow lazy buggers, with a good bit of armor, and even the possibility of basic defences against smaller attackers
Mining Barges remind me of the Salamander - This harmless creature is a collector. It works painstakingly, usually finding the urge to run at first sign of predators, to stop it from being squashed
The T-rex is king of the jungle. He wanders around, stalking his prey. However a flock of velociraptors strategically finds the T-rex, and manage to flank him while he is trying to take the shields off a brachiosaurus. The t-rex dies a slow and painfull death, as the velociraptors slowly take peices off him. Once the velociraptors are sure the T-rex is dead, they give chase on the brachiosaurus, who has peacefully turned back to grazing in the fields with his Salamander friends.
that's the best comparision I ever read in EVE
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Krulla
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Posted - 2005.11.12 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
I liken ships in Eve to Dinosaurs
Interceptors remind me of the velociraptors - Fast, tactic-oriented, most dangerous in groups
Battleships remind me of the T-Rex - Strong, and powerful, deals huge damage when it can get a clean shot on its speedy attackers
Transport ships remind me of the Brachiosauruses - These vegetarians are big slow lazy buggers, with a good bit of armor, and even the possibility of basic defences against smaller attackers
Mining Barges remind me of the Salamander - This harmless creature is a collector. It works painstakingly, usually finding the urge to run at first sign of predators, to stop it from being squashed
The T-rex is king of the jungle. He wanders around, stalking his prey. However a flock of velociraptors strategically finds the T-rex, and manage to flank him while he is trying to take the shields off a brachiosaurus. The t-rex dies a slow and painfull death, as the velociraptors slowly take peices off him. Once the velociraptors are sure the T-rex is dead, they give chase on the brachiosaurus, who has peacefully turned back to grazing in the fields with his Salamander friends.
Then what the hell are the cruisers? 
The fact that you didn't even include them in your description shows how badly they need love. 
Respect the Domi. Or else. |
Man Upright
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Posted - 2005.11.12 16:24:00 -
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yea, i think the locator agent missions are an exploit too.
wait no, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.11.12 16:42:00 -
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egomania 4tw!
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Laocoon
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Posted - 2005.11.12 17:04:00 -
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nerf Detaurus becasue he obviously r teh 1337nezz pWnz0rx of 411 3v3. ...  
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Jesus Christ. The Freighter ate the Stargate god and the Dreadnought didn't!
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Malacore
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Posted - 2005.11.12 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Detaurus
Well first I have new folk in my corp so I kicked them out and they found new places to go, and as for me, well the agent feature find a person, is an exploit in my opinion, and should be removed from the game, until then, I will not pretend corp warfare is any type of open competition.
It was about here that I had to stop reading because the laughing was making my eyes tear.
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2005.11.12 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Sure they are. Remember that day we podded you five times in a few hours because you ran your mouth? I saved your delicious squeals in my trophy log folder.
You're really fun to hurt, you know?
I like you.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.11.13 05:06:00 -
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oh and:
Originally by: Detaurus
Well first I have new folk in my corp so I kicked them out and they found new places to go, and as for me, well the agent feature find a person, is an exploit in my opinion, and should be removed from the game, until then, I will not pretend corp warfare is any type of open competition.
huh?
you on morphine or valium or smth?
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