I just spent 5 minutes in EFT and came up with a fit that outperforms Zealot in every way. I'm not sure what you're doing wrong.

Oh and FYI cost plays a factor in balance. Just look at the Hurricane/Fleet Hurricane.

While I agree it would be lovely to see the properly protean T3s, it seems futile to lessen the power of the T3 ships without giving them some sort of in-space purpose-changing function.

No, it really doesn't. Care to explain your point?

Right, because having a ship that performs worse than another makes it flexible and adaptable. Seriously, lets call it what it is. It's definitely a nerf and not going to make T3's flexible and adaptable because they already are which is exactly why CCP wants to nerf them.

Sure, they might be able to perform a number of roles but we can all be sure it will be subpar....can't exactly say it will fill those roles.

My pleasure derived at flying a T3 is in the fact that I'm not flying a hull that I consider subpar and limited as I do with T2. Some hull has to be on top. It has to be top dog. That CCP is nerfing the current top dog irks me because of the investment I've made in skilling for those hulls. Once T2's become the top dog CCP will then again want to nerf those hulls devaluing any investment in time and isk I've made there and so on and so on. This is a case where CCP needs to leave well enough alone beyond a few tweaks.

Maybe you're not putting the investment in mods and implants that people in T3's are?

A Navy Mega with similar faction/deadspace mods will out dps and tank a T3 with faction/deadspace mods. This is a case of comparing T2 fit ships and bling ships and wondering why the two don't perform similarly.

I've got a T2 fit Dominix (non-faction) that out tanks and out dps's my faction fit Proteus. In fact, that Dominix will tear that Proteus to shreds in a one on one fight. So, if you can't fit a faction BS properly, what makes you think you're informed enough to know what is balanced and what is not?

Up until the BC rebalance, I had a Myrm that could hold its own against Proteus's and Tengu's. It's noone's fault but CCP's that they took a perfectly fine BC and "rebalanced" it with subpar capabilities.

If my Proteus goes against a Pilgrim, guess who is going to win that fight? There's a pretty high chance I'm going to be capped out. No cap, no boom boom.

Those are 3 examples of a T1 BS, BC & T2 Cruiser able to defeat the overpowered T3.

So, excuse me if I feel a continuing rebalance is not in mine or anyone else's self interest. No, the only interests being served with the T3 rebalance is the inept's and CCP's which are often times one and the same.

Nobody wants Tech IIIs to be crap CCP. Nor do they want to consider buying a 500 mil hull when the Tech II variant is about the same.

For god sake, im gonna make it easier for you, i am saying the contrary.

I guess no one cares that a t3 nerf will destroy WH industry?

But unless you intend to refund 100% all t3 skills to pilots, and permit NPC buyback of ships and subsystems at pre-patch prices.

You missunderstand, WH's produce t3s as a chief export. If the demand drops, profit drops and thevalue of sleeper salvage will too.

They need a little rebalance, not strong nerf.

Honestly atm,all what i see is a bunch of T1 pilots winning about more expensive ships kicking their asses, what is NORMAL.

Taking a knife into a firefight and expecting to win with the said knife isn't expecting balance, it's expecting stupidity to work.

And yes if i pay more, i want better stats, not a sticker or a skin. As a lot of people i guess.

T1 should be a step to T2/T3. Never a 100% viable option against T2/T3 (with same numbers).
Why would we fly T2/T3 other way?

You say that 2 things costing a price with a 10 factor should have the same capabilities.
And thats why i say you're wrong.

Honestly m8, i prefer to kill T3 with T1 than T1 with T3.
And its till possible, because of piloting, fits and stuff.
I dont want a win button, in the case you didnt understood. I just want that when i take my T3 out, its for a reason, not just to say "look guys, im in a shiny ship"

And anyway, if what you say was true, and T3 was so OP we would see more T3 out than T1.
I would love to see moar T3 arouns, it would mean moar shiny kills, sadly, its not the case.

Rather than overly nerf T3s, why not just give t2's a decent boost so they are slightly better then t3s, and get rid of that ******** off grid boosting.

So why fly T3?

Yup, because T2 frigs > T1 frigs

You can already kill T3s with T1, so its already balanced?

Im talking about cruisers, BCs, BS, even frigs, who know.
Its just a matter of brain, fits, situation and stuff.

Okay, its hard with a T1 cruiser, but its till doable. and not so hard if you adapt your fit to the situation.

Its not my fault if TEST are terrible.
Also, i agree that the tengu is OP, but for completely different reasons than yourth, that im not gonna explain now cause i dont have the time.

My point is T3 are not as OP as everyone is yelling here.

from that price, I really hope that rifter can kill a titan.

That's what neuts are for. So, no, a tengu is not a better drake, it's a better ship -- for some roles, -- not to mention isk efficiency.

You can't (shouldn't) passive tank a Tengu.

I guess we don't need the drake then...oh wait, yes we do. It's easier to skill for and cheaper and drake blobs are (were) win.

A less skilled fleet of anything should be torn down by the more skilled fleet, unless the latter is flown by morons. Where is the problem here?

And you failed to answer the question (aside from some mostly agreed upon adjustments, like off-grid boosting) WHY is there a problem that the Tengu is a superior ship?

HAC does need love though.

Until the Black OPs BS can cloak in warp I think they will be White elephants in any fleet or hanger

That's not how it's works here on EVEO GD.

I'm waiting for the TEST passive tank tengufleet now.

And nobody would want to fly such a "master of none" ship, would they? I know I wouldn't.

tl;dr - sell your T3 ship now because soon they'll be worthless.

Is this even an argument? And no I don't, its just basic logic. Why would I want to fly a ship that is weaker than everything it faces with no edge whatsoever?

ps. I don't even play this game anymore..