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Elistea
BLUE Regiment. Y G G D R A S I L
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:20:00 -
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Hey guys.
I have small industrial op running in C1 as a secondary income. Lately im getting a lot of connections at once (2-3 exits). Is there any efficient way to close all but my static exit in C1 WH? |
HiddenPorpoise
BG-2 The Craniac
0
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:30:00 -
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Orcas, battlecruiser swarms, battleships, freighters, dreadnaughts, industrials, carriers, heavy interdictiors, or anything built buy Amarr. |
Janeway84
Masters Of Destiny Pride Before Fall
11
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Posted - 2013.06.10 10:46:00 -
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talos with mwd was good until ccp adjusted its mass with oddessey now its to fat to make the jump with prop mod on. Otherwise any battlecruiser sized ships works well. Fastest way to mass c1's are with mining barges since they got 20 million mass.
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1c3crysta1
Unknown in the unknown
11
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Posted - 2013.06.10 10:50:00 -
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According to http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wormholes#Wormhole_Identification C1 system wormholes seem have a total mass of 500Gg (giga...something,o maybe gigaton?), with a max jump weight of 20Gg. Except for Z971 which a total mass of 100Gg. Not sure about these numbers, but you could try to test the Z971 by jumping a couple of BCs through. As for ships, I'd use shield ships with a maximum mass of 15GT, which allows you to use 10MN ABs to fiddle alittle with the weight. The Naga fits nicely. You'd want a ship as close to 15GT as possible, but not above. Using plated cruiser, haulers, T2/T3 cruisers or even mining barges/exhumers could work, as long as the weight isn't above 20GT, or 15GT if you want to use the ABs to modify the jumps. Atleast for the Z971 wormhole, using 3 Nagas would be ideal, just jump them through with 1 of them burning its ABs. That should make for a reduction of exactly 50%, which should show you it which way the random weight lays (if it supports up 10% more mass or down to 10% less. If it's above 50%, jump through with all Nagas burnings their ABs. If it's below 50%, jump with 2 Nagas with their ABs off and lastly with a Naga with its AB on.
For the other holes, the above guidance would work the same way, with either 5 times as many ships, 5 times as many jumps or a combination of ships and jumps. |
Elistea
BLUE Regiment. Y G G D R A S I L
200
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Posted - 2013.06.10 10:50:00 -
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Thnx a lot! Also do u have any hint how to end up on the right side after WH collapses? |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
1303
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Posted - 2013.06.10 10:50:00 -
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If you've got an industrial op, you might be better spent in a C3 wtih a 5 bil static exit to high. The roaming connections are generally 2 bil and a lot easier to close, plus the static high can take a lot of abuse. http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Cirillith
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
11
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:44:00 -
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Elistea wrote:Thnx a lot! Also do u have any hint how to end up on the right side after WH collapses? Well since you know +/- mass allowance of WH and you got mass of ships closing it - all you have to do is pure math (with a pencil and a piece of paper or calculator ) |
jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
206
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Posted - 2013.06.10 12:13:00 -
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The thing I've seen used to crash a C1 hole before is the Impel, which can get just under the single-jump mass limit. Still, crashing C1 holes is only marginally less tedious than mining, they have a stupid amount of mass to take off in such tiny bites. |
notha atfast
Jabba Industries INC. Punkz 'n Monkeys
31
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:18:00 -
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Oracles with an AB get me around 19,500 for the tonnage...for being on the right side. Use a HIC with 3 Bubbles. Your mass drops down to frigate size. Then come back through with them off to finish the crush. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
130
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Posted - 2013.06.10 19:55:00 -
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As other posters have said, get a ship that's as close to 20 Gg as possible without going over. Retrievers are right at 20, but you might run into pvp while hole-collapsing, and you're dead if you're in a retriever. I use a Drake with a 10MN MWD, for 14.8 or 19.8 Gg. Pre-Odyssey I'd also use a Talos, but I believe those don't fit anymore, and you'll need to use a Naga.
A destroyer with a 10MN AB is also useful to have for collapsing incomings from k-space.
C1 statics are 1000 Gg total, incomings from other w-space are 500 Gg, incomings from k-space are 100 Gg. If you're solo and have no alt accounts, collapsing statics is a waste of time (you need 25 round trips on average, so you're looking at about 2 hours of nothing but going back and forth). Incomings from other w-space are doable solo but take forever. Incomings from k-space are easy, you just have to keep track of how much you've done.
If you have multiple alt accounts, it gets easier. I collapse with three accounts, takes ~20 minutes for incomings from w-space.
For ending up on the right side...make a spreadsheet, keep track of how much you've sent through and what the min/max reminaing is. When the hole switches to 50% or 10% mass, you can update your min/max estimates. By varying the mass you send through via the MWD/AB, you can easily put the hole in a state where you collapse it while you're on the right side. I've collapsed a lot of C1s, and only ended up on the wrong side once. |
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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Anomalous Existence
122
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Posted - 2013.06.13 22:32:00 -
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Various good suggestions for day-to-day closing here, but the OP should have a closing HICtor available to them at all times. C1s are particularly tight on the final close, and if a wormhole is a mass outlier (>10% away from nominal mass), has had mass put on it from unknown sources, has been left critical (ugh), or you screw up your math, that heavy interdictor will save your rear end from a long and involved trip home. The best part is that since you are in a C1, you can use any ordinary multi-WDFG heavy interdictor for it provided the ship fits through the hole (Onyx/Broadsword have no trouble, but heavily plated Devoter/Phobos fits may require Armor Honeycombing trained up to be under 20Gg). |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
136
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Posted - 2013.06.13 23:34:00 -
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A HIC is certainly useful to have, but has anyone actually seen a confirmed >10% away from nominal mass hole? I've closed probably more than a hundred C1s, and never seen one that fell outside the 90%-110% range. |
Lugia3
End-of-Line
434
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Posted - 2013.07.07 07:37:00 -
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A Heavy Interdictor can go out with minimal mass, and go back in with the mass of a battleship. Yarr |
Sushi Nardieu
Bite Me inc Bitten.
135
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Posted - 2013.07.07 07:37:00 -
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One of the mining ships does it pretty well. Forgot which. The Guns of Knowledge-á |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2111
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Posted - 2013.07.07 09:30:00 -
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retriever has exactly 20mil mass. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
154
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Posted - 2013.07.07 16:28:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:A Heavy Interdictor can go out with minimal mass, and go back in with the mass of a battleship. OP is talking about C1 wormholes, so "mass of a battleship" isn't going to fit.
Still useful to have one with a 10MN prop mod. |
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2013.07.07 16:56:00 -
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Unless you plan on mining at the time, don't bother. Takes like 45-55 one way jumps for statics @ 20. The agonizing pain involved with all that for every WH is unbearable. |
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Anomalous Existence
125
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:28:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:A HIC is certainly useful to have, but has anyone actually seen a confirmed >10% away from nominal mass hole? I've closed probably more than a hundred C1s, and never seen one that fell outside the 90%-110% range. Not in C1 space. I have seen a mass outlier (extra heavy) B274 though. |
BJ Blazkowicz
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.09 19:17:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:Lugia3 wrote:A Heavy Interdictor can go out with minimal mass, and go back in with the mass of a battleship. OP is talking about C1 wormholes, so "mass of a battleship" isn't going to fit. Still useful to have one with a 10MN prop mod. It's still a HIC with the added bonus from "mass of a battleship". So, it's obviously a viable choice for closing a C1.
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Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
154
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Posted - 2013.07.09 19:55:00 -
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BJ Blazkowicz wrote:Chris Winter wrote:Lugia3 wrote:A Heavy Interdictor can go out with minimal mass, and go back in with the mass of a battleship. OP is talking about C1 wormholes, so "mass of a battleship" isn't going to fit. Still useful to have one with a 10MN prop mod. It's still a HIC with the added bonus from "mass of a battleship". So, it's obviously a viable choice for closing a C1. Not sure what you mean. You can't fit a ship with the mass of a battleship through a C1.
Sure, you can use a HIC for the last few passes to ensure you end up on the right side, but it's less efficient than other ships to use for the majority of the passes. |
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