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Solaris Ecladia
High Flyers Ex Cinere Scriptor
78
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:53:00 -
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confirming there are metric fucktons of ice in nulsec and lowsec. where you can charge what you please after you mine it as well.
you should just join an alliance and grow a pair of balls.
edit: you can totally say fucktons on the forums! |
Bloodpetal
Sal's Waste Management and Pod Disposal The Mockers AO
1278
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:17:00 -
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Go mine in Null Sec...
Where I am. |
flakeys
Interstellar Corporation of Science and Technology Interstellar Confederation
1160
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:25:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:
"ICE is failing with the new setup because it doesn't allow a player to select ICE mining as a profession"
Then enlighten me wich profession in eve let's you stay in one system the whole time gathering isk without the need to put any thought to it ?
Trade ? nope does require a lot of info browsing Missions?Nope you need to jump systems for those a lot of times too Wormholes?Same thing you have to scan a lot Exploration?Same as wormholes PVP?obvious why not FW?mix of exploration , missions and pvp definatly not.
So , with your logic a person can not have ANY profession in eve then ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
16060
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:10:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet. not to mention those that don't quite hit that size, often weren't alone in a system so between the handful there were, it's not difficult to empty the anomalies at a rather rapid pace.
Interesting that out where I am, the multi-boxers do not seem to be in existence anymore................. |
Dave Stark
3161
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:13:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Dave Stark wrote: most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet. not to mention those that don't quite hit that size, often weren't alone in a system so between the handful there were, it's not difficult to empty the anomalies at a rather rapid pace.
Interesting that out where I am, the multi-boxers do not seem to be in existence anymore.................
i used to mine in a system with multiple ice belts, there were at least 2 multiboxers in the ice belt i mined in alone, i never cared to check the other but i assume that had at least one.
on patch day they were still there and i realised i couldn't compete with them, even with 2 anomaly spawns. so i moved. trust me, they're still out there. |
Lord Mandelor
Order Expeditions
177
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:13:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote: I think the real issue is AFK gameplay.
No, stop that. That is not gameplay.
Knight and Agent of the New Order |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1895
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:27:00 -
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I'm actually finding Ice to be much more interesting now - And more productive. Instead of a Mac, I'm using a Skiff, and getting abotu twice as much per spawn as I did before. The Skiff cycles faster, allows me to full up, dump the hold, and refill sometimes as many as four times before the spawn is annihilated.
The change keeps me engaged - having to move from cube to cube, manage my hold, and otherwise keep my eyes open is much superior to the old way of "show up, activate turrets, come back in 20 minutes."
I used to mine ice just to remind me why I hated mining. Now, I actually *check* for spawns, and if one is active, I'll re-ship and go after it.
Never get wealthy at ice mining, but that's what Wormholes are for. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
FlameOfSurvival
Kriegsmarinewerft Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:48:00 -
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why Missions are still unlimited available? Should be changed too !!!! |
Karash Amerius
Sutoka
96
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:03:00 -
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There is an ice belt 2 jumps from my home station that is never touched. Just sitting there.
Of course this is in low sec. Might want to upgrade your game...and by game, I mean you. Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
56
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:31:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Go mine in Null Sec... It's not about fear or whatever ****, the reason most don't go to null. Most are too greedy to do it. Because noone will let them mine there if they don't pay or fight. Also most of the miners think it's a given that others pay or fight for them. Most also complain about the corp taxes for the ratts they kill when they mine. Sometimes hate is understandable. But there's still a lot doing ice mining in null, getting rich, and don't die trying.
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Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
198
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:33:00 -
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Im playing at ice But Im finding it hard She didnt break the wall She just caught me off guard
Can you see ice in my eyes Can you see ice in my eyes
Im just a little bit sorry But I havent decided why Could it be my memory Or did I ever really cry
Can you see ice in my eyes Can you see ice in my eyes
Fill my head with your false feelings I cant trust anything you say Today I missed a special friend That never really cared anyway
Can you see ice in my eyes Can you see ice in my eyes Can you see ice in my eyes Can you see ice in my eyes "You are even dumber than everyone says." - Kristopher Rocancourt
Tell The Others |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
235
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:43:00 -
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Mining, Ice or Rocks, should involve shooting the target with real weapons. Chunks should break off, scatter, and fly away like the cans in the new Mag and Radar sites. Mining ships should have bonuses, but should use real weapons, have a real tank, and not be a flying coffin. I've shot a fair number of miners, but sometimes it really is too easy when they can't shoot back.
Refining should be based on m3 instead of count, and then the chunks of ice/ore could be variably-sized based on skills and bonuses.
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Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
434
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:06:00 -
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I too agree that ice mining times should be doubled and the spawn rate should be every 2 hours. That said, the price of ice doesn't make it worth mining it right now unless you want to afk. A minute ago, I was the only person in this belt ice mining.
That said, Ice prices don't make it as lucrative to ice mine anymore. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1897
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:10:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote: That said, Ice prices don't make it as lucrative to ice mine anymore.
Then do something more interesting / profitable. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Selene Nask
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:35:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:There is a set and forget feature. It's called Research/Production. Research and Production takes time. And skill. But mostly time. And a lot of that time is unattended. Your right if you can find an open research slot in high sec (You wont without a long ling in front of you). Thats why they have POS's but those are obsolete in high sec now because nobody can fuel them in high sec unless your space rich. I believe the goal was to push the player base out to low/null sec which is a good idea but unfortunately your going to see alot of Ice mining accounts unsub (Everyone is selling their Ice pilots).
This is so not true. Yeah some may decide it's too hard to 'change' whatever they were doing before. Others will figure it out. If increased fuel costs are going to have that much effect on research then the market will adjust. This could mean an increase in certain bpo prices if supply goes down. Some may quit researching in the meantime sure. That just means others can take up the slack if they keep aware of whats going on. Eventually prices will adjust themselves down the production line to reflect any overall cost increases. I know a good many POS researchers who planned ahead (like me) once the change was announced to buffer themselves against any short term market adjustments. This sort of thing actually some 'game' to the game. People might actually have to think a bit different then before and not just plod along doing the same old, same old month after month.
The horror of it all. |
Sigmundr Rumare
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 20:50:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:you only need a fleet of ~25-26 ships inc boosters and haulers
most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet.
Even though I know it's more or less accepted in EVE, I find that the above situation (especially in a MMO, which is entirely based around interacting with other people) is more likely the cause of the issue than the mechanics of ice fields spawning itself. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
216
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:00:00 -
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Sigmundr Rumare wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you only need a fleet of ~25-26 ships inc boosters and haulers
most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet. Even though I know it's more or less accepted in EVE, I find that the above situation (especially in a MMO, which is entirely based around interacting with other people) is more likely the cause of the issue than the mechanics of ice fields spawning itself.
So do something about it
WIPE THEM OUT
ALL OF THEM
ESPECIALLY THE LITTLE ONES "You are even dumber than everyone says." - Kristopher Rocancourt
Tell The Others |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
137
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:54:00 -
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Sigmundr Rumare wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you only need a fleet of ~25-26 ships inc boosters and haulers
most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet. Even though I know it's more or less accepted in EVE, I find that the above situation (especially in a MMO, which is entirely based around interacting with other people) is more likely the cause of the issue than the mechanics of ice fields spawning itself.
Multiboxing does not prevent interacting with other people. |
Dave Stark
3161
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:56:00 -
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Sigmundr Rumare wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you only need a fleet of ~25-26 ships inc boosters and haulers
most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet. Even though I know it's more or less accepted in EVE, I find that the above situation (especially in a MMO, which is entirely based around interacting with other people) is more likely the cause of the issue than the mechanics of ice fields spawning itself.
no, the fact that mining in itself promotes the most antisocial playstyle possible in eve is the issue. mining gets progressively worse the more human players there are in the equation. |
Pleasure Bound
Futanari on Safari
26
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:33:00 -
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I'm sorry but I couldn't read the whole thread as I'm seeing double and it's overwhelming right now but.
I just witnessed a belt in a highly-popular gallente space stripped out of ice by:
- 6 hulks - 1 orca - 2 Obelisks
I witnessed it on friendly mostly former ice miner chat. I was running high sec missions at the time.
It was interesting to me because people on that chat were throwing things out like "unfair", I can't compete, and "I don't want to log on anymore because I can't compete due to my limited time, and I don't enjoy anything else in eve right now"
And thus, for the first time in my life I've understood Schadenfreude.
I can enjoy it because those who were afk mining are hurting
and once they quit
I'll enjoy it when the investors ask the CCP managers, what happened to the subscriptions |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3664
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:44:00 -
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Pleasure Bound wrote:I'm sorry but I couldn't read the whole thread as I'm seeing double and it's overwhelming right now but.
I just witnessed a belt in a highly-popular gallente space stripped out of ice by:
- 6 hulks - 1 orca - 2 Obelisks
I witnessed it on friendly mostly former ice miner chat. I was running high sec missions at the time.
It was interesting to me because people on that chat were throwing things out like "unfair", I can't compete, and "I don't want to log on anymore because I can't compete due to my limited time, and I don't enjoy anything else in eve right now"
And thus, for the first time in my life I've understood Schadenfreude.
I can enjoy it because those who were afk mining are hurting
and once they quit
I'll enjoy it when the investors ask the CCP managers, what happened to the subscriptions So this is a "other people will unsub" thread.
I am a nullsec zealot. |
Pleasure Bound
Futanari on Safari
26
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:46:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: So this is a "other people will unsub" thread.
Nothing lasts forever, eventually everyone will get recycled. So, may as well get ready to play with and/or by yourself.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3664
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:49:00 -
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Pleasure Bound wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:So this is a "other people will unsub" thread. Nothing lasts forever, eventually everyone will get recycled. So, may as well get ready to play with and/or by yourself. Play with ... myself ?
Guess I'll be unsubbing too. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Pleasure Bound
Futanari on Safari
26
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:51:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: Play with ... myself ?
Guess I'll be unsubbing too.
That was pretty lame...
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Nitko Koraka
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
10
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:58:00 -
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Every ice anomaly I've visited in lowsec has had plenty to mine. Maybe set up shop there? |
Robert Saint
Playright
58
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:57:00 -
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Nitko Koraka wrote:Every ice anomaly I've visited in lowsec has had plenty to mine. Maybe set up shop there?
That's a fair comment, yet I really don't understand the nature of Low Sec and Null Sec players being angry at players who prefer High Sec game play. There is a huge difference in the stress level of each area, so to bag (not that your comment was a bag, just others) on someone for hanging out in areas that have a bit of protection, just seems closed minded. I respect Low and Null sec players, but I just don't see me going there at my game level, as i just don't like having to watch my back all the time.
In regard to the original post, I was making a statement about ICE being the last true AFK business model where i guy could scale a large fleet and comfortably turn a profit on each account subscription after plexing it. It really didn't require much more time to add another miner, other than the log in. I understand that most posters in here think (based on the responses) that I am JUST ICE mining as a gamer.... and no, like most .... I am building a little empire --- because it's cool and I'm hooked. When i spoke of the Profession, I was speaking about the TOON - as an account, not the gamer who controls it...
I like to mission personally and trick out my rides. |
Meis Aminx
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:17:00 -
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You miss vanilla ice mining?
Sad story. |
Nitko Koraka
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
10
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:56:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:In regard to the original post, I was making a statement about ICE being the last true AFK business model where i guy could scale a large fleet and comfortably turn a profit on each account subscription after plexing it
Join Red Frog and run multiple freighters long distances AFK? Station trade high margin/low volume/low competition items? Manufacure? Copy blueprints? There are still many low effort activities that net you decent or great ISK depending on how smart you are (which I am not). I admittedly used to do the AFK thing; I really don't understand it anymore. Play. Interact. |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries
326
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Posted - 2013.06.12 05:08:00 -
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Solutions to the OP's problem:
- War dec the corps mining ice. - Hire mercenaries to war dec the corps mining ice. - Suicide gank the other players mining ice. - Join a corp that suicide ganks miners. - Join the corps mining ice. - Get there first. - Build a corp focused on group mining ice, and get there first. - Mine ice in areas that don't have as much traffic. - Stop mining ice.
My preference are one and two, as this is emergent gameplay. We are in an MMO, after all. But there are plenty of options available to the op, besides requesting ccp change the mechanics to require less competition. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3693
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Posted - 2013.06.12 07:49:00 -
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Nitko Koraka wrote:Every ice anomaly I've visited in lowsec has had plenty to mine. Maybe set up shop there?
Ice harvesting in low/null would really benefit from having constellation- or region-wide respawns, rather than certain systems always being known to have ice available. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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