The feature is always available, just maybe not in your area.

so dont mine ice 24/7

If mission agents handed out missions every 4 hours, that wouldn't work either.

have ICE in mission spawns like they have ORE......

Ice mining is Much better now man, c'mon, its quicker and no longer an AFKers paradise, admit it, before Odyssey you liked Ice Mining cos you didn't Actually Play Eve and made lots of ISK. Now its at least more engaging, and yeah, Halving Cycling times Rocks! (Pardon the Pun)

I would say it's different now, not better though.

There are different game styles and moods players have, sometimes your just chill and want an AFK style of game play, other times you want battles.

So, ORE is the new ICE, for the AFK style sort of. There is just no more set it and forget it feature ...

I get it for sure... the idea anyway. It's hard to argue the spawn timing issue and it's also hard to argue the AFK feature.

I know few FULL time players don't like AFK game play, and most Full timers are the ones in the forums.

They could fix ORE instead and leave ICE as is... Make the Asteroids bigger and fewer in each belt, so there isn't so much re-targeting.... .. Yes, you can tell i miss ICE ......

....

So, ORE is the new ICE

There is a set and forget feature. It's called Research/Production. Research and Production takes time. And skill. But mostly time. And a lot of that time is unattended.

Speaking from someone who has been playing EVE a little too much lately, please review this post with the understanding that not everyone plays full time.

"ICE is failing with the new setup because it doesn't allow a player to select ICE mining as a profession"

If a person plays only an hour or so a day, they can't select ICE as a profession period and expect to grow in the trade, due to the limited supply and spawn times. I had a bunch of miners that I was milking the system with before the update and YES, it was gravy ISK. So, after the patch I bailed on the big league production and just thought to have a miner or two mine every once in a while, but there just isn't enough ICE to make it a profession, when you are competing with the big league boys. I went out to the spawns only to find them filled with ORCA fleets ripping them up in less then 30 minutes per spawn.

This post isn't to complain for me, as I have already moved on - out of ICE.

It's for EVE in general and the casual players, those interested in getting into ICE as a profession in a Mom and Pop sort of way. It's just not there any more unless the player is willing to change his playing time, which seems pretty "ridiculous" seeing it's not a real job.....please!


DO THIS TO FIX ICE.

Just change the cycle time to 2 times longer than it was (not shorter as you did). Cutting it in half was a mistake! If it takes twice as long as it use to harvest, then the ICE will remain in space longer and allow more players to mine during what ever time they log in. The price will adjust to the new variable. Just make sure that the same allocation of ICE per day is limited, and adjust the spawn times dynamically, not every 4 hours per spawn.

To be fair, a player should be able to log in whatever time they can play this game and have a feature available to them to check out or dive in to. It seems only the FULL TIMERS would not agree!

Peace

Yes, I had just found out about ICE about 3 weeks before the update and thought "this is amazing" and bought a bunch of miners, etc.

I'm sorry you're botting software is having issues with the new changes

Ice prices are down over the last week.

i noticed that and was trying to figure that one out.

I suppose it's just an adjustment to an over inflated price.

Anyone care to speculate.

i noticed that and was trying to figure that one out.

I suppose it's just an adjustment to an over inflated price.

Anyone care to speculate.

i noticed that and was trying to figure that one out.

I suppose it's just an adjustment to an over inflated price.

Anyone care to speculate.

Isn't ice mining basically just regular mining only slower and more tedious?

My guess is that market speculators are dumping some of their stock. If you notice the quantity of each sell order, they are not from mom and pop ice mining ops. I think ice products will crawl back up as those stocks deplete and people leave the ice mining profession.

In a game with this many options and things to get out there and do why in New eden would you want to be just an ice miner, or just an explorer. These threads baffle me. I explore, I harvest gas in WH space, I get frigates blown up in low-sec, and do the occasional mission. Why limit yourself that way.

No, I don't bot..... I used a software program called ISBoxer to manage the 12 accounts. I had to click all the toons, so that's why i was trying to reduce the number of clicks....

And who is going to mine if they earn 1-2M isk per hour??? even if it is AFK.

casual miners with 12 mining characters...

It isn't the only thing to do of course, it's just the timing of when it can be done. Other activities can be done when "you" as the player want to do them, so choice is cool. I really don't like mining or harvesting AT ALL, so that's why the post really!
I want to have a toon do it with as little effort on my eyes as possible, because it is SO incredibly boring. It was just a nice way to make extra ISK while at work, that's all.

No one pays attention while mining. Do you log in just to watch your skill bar tic down ?

Panic.

People keep talking about this new Intrusion Countermeasure Electronics that have been added to the game, but I just can't seem to find any. I mean, even the new exploration minigame calls it plain old GǣvirusGǥ, which is a different thingGǪ

Last count I heard was years ago and there were 880 systems with Ice.

Ice now spawns in the same systems. Just judging by what I see around Jita, though, everyone klings to the 2 most well-known systems. The ones they have always been in since they dared the three hops from academy.

There are a lot more systems with ice, even in High Sec. So... move a little.

Also I noticed that there is a certain decrease in mute & deaf people now. Good thing. Well implemented. More fun.
And never should be a full-time profession anyway.

i noticed that and was trying to figure that one out.

I suppose it's just an adjustment to an over inflated price.

Anyone care to speculate.

That's like saying, don't RUN MISSIONS when you want to.

If mission agents handed out missions every 4 hours, that wouldn't work either.


In fact that's a GREAT idea..... have ICE in mission spawns like they have ORE......

Speaking from someone who has been playing EVE a little too much lately, please review this post with the understanding that not everyone plays full time.

"ICE is failing with the new setup because it doesn't allow a player to select ICE mining as a profession"

If a person plays only an hour or so a day, they can't select ICE as a profession period and expect to grow in the trade, due to the limited supply and spawn times. I had a bunch of miners that I was milking the system with before the update and YES, it was gravy ISK. So, after the patch I bailed on the big league production and just thought to have a miner or two mine every once in a while, but there just isn't enough ICE to make it a profession, when you are competing with the big league boys. I went out to the spawns only to find them filled with ORCA fleets ripping them up in less then 30 minutes per spawn.

This post isn't to complain for me, as I have already moved on - out of ICE.

It's for EVE in general and the casual players, those interested in getting into ICE as a profession in a Mom and Pop sort of way. It's just not there any more unless the player is willing to change his playing time, which seems pretty "ridiculous" seeing it's not a real job.....please!


DO THIS TO FIX ICE.

Just change the cycle time to 2 times longer than it was (not shorter as you did). Cutting it in half was a mistake! If it takes twice as long as it use to harvest, then the ICE will remain in space longer and allow more players to mine during what ever time they log in. The price will adjust to the new variable. Just make sure that the same allocation of ICE per day is limited, and adjust the spawn times dynamically, not every 4 hours per spawn.

To be fair, a player should be able to log in whatever time they can play this game and have a feature available to them to check out or dive in to. It seems only the FULL TIMERS would not agree!

Peace

People keep talking about this new Intrusion Countermeasure Electronics that have been added to the game, but I just can't seem to find any. I mean, even the new exploration minigame calls it plain old GǣvirusGǥ, which is a different thingGǪ

why do people capitalize "ICE" and "ORE"? is this an abbreviation of something?

Yes. It stands for In-car entertainment and Outer-Ring Excavations, respectively.

Yes. It stands for In-car entertainment and Outer-Ring Excavations, respectively.

Or for those of us old enough to remember when 'cyberpunk' was new and exciting, Intrusion Countermeasure Electronics.

Ice prices are down over the last week.

And never should be a full-time profession anyway.

Someone hasn't ever declined a mission or been offered 6 empire faction missions in a row

While the hisec folks are complaining, the nullsec and lowsec folks are making bank. Halving the cycle time means it is now actually possible to harvest ice in "dangerous" space. It would not surprise me at all to see that hisec is only producing 60% of current supply.

I think the real issue is AFK or Relaxed game play. A Style of play that you can do in the background while doing something else.

DO THIS TO FIX ICE.

Just change the cycle time to 2 times longer than it was (not shorter as you did). Cutting it in half was a mistake! If it takes twice as long as it use to harvest, then the ICE will remain in space longer and allow more players to mine during what ever time they log in. The price will adjust to the new variable. Just make sure that the same allocation of ICE per day is limited, and adjust the spawn times dynamically, not every 4 hours per spawn.

To be fair, a player should be able to log in whatever time they can play this game and have a feature available to them to check out or dive in to. It seems only the FULL TIMERS would not agree!

Peace

Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice.

Speaking from someone who has been playing EVE a little too much lately, please review this post with the understanding that not everyone plays full time.

"ICE is failing with the new setup because it doesn't allow a player to select ICE mining as a profession"

If a person plays only an hour or so a day, they can't select ICE as a profession period and expect to grow in the trade, due to the limited supply and spawn times. I had a bunch of miners that I was milking the system with before the update and YES, it was gravy ISK. So, after the patch I bailed on the big league production and just thought to have a miner or two mine every once in a while, but there just isn't enough ICE to make it a profession, when you are competing with the big league boys. I went out to the spawns only to find them filled with ORCA fleets ripping them up in less then 30 minutes per spawn.

This post isn't to complain for me, as I have already moved on - out of ICE.

It's for EVE in general and the casual players, those interested in getting into ICE as a profession in a Mom and Pop sort of way. It's just not there any more unless the player is willing to change his playing time, which seems pretty "ridiculous" seeing it's not a real job.....please!


DO THIS TO FIX ICE.

Just change the cycle time to 2 times longer than it was (not shorter as you did). Cutting it in half was a mistake! If it takes twice as long as it use to harvest, then the ICE will remain in space longer and allow more players to mine during what ever time they log in. The price will adjust to the new variable. Just make sure that the same allocation of ICE per day is limited, and adjust the spawn times dynamically, not every 4 hours per spawn.

To be fair, a player should be able to log in whatever time they can play this game and have a feature available to them to check out or dive in to. It seems only the FULL TIMERS would not agree!

Peace

That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.

That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.

That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.

That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.

When the ice belt is gone, you go.

A. Take a rifter, scout next systems for a new ice belt, then bring in your ice mack.
B. Get another mack fitted for asteroid mining and do that.
C. Stay docked until the ice belt spawns again in 4 hours.
D. Get a Skiff, put on warp core stabs and do ice mining in low secor null sec.
E. Join a WH or null sec alliance and do ice mining all day, this you can't do in afk mode though.

That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.

That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.

CCP turned off the infinite sand spigot in hisec. Oh the humanity.

That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.

That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.

There is a set and forget feature. It's called Research/Production. Research and Production takes time. And skill. But mostly time. And a lot of that time is unattended.

CCP turned off the infinite sand spigot in hisec. Oh the humanity.

GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ doesn't mean you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you may attempt anything you wish to succeed at.

People keep talking about this new Intrusion Countermeasure Electronics that have been added to the game, but I just can't seem to find any. I mean, even the new exploration minigame calls it plain old GǣvirusGǥ, which is a different thingGǪ

ICE

It's not ICE that has changed.

It's Big money - AFK game play is gone.

So RIP.

The only thing that changed is that now those who can grab a whole belt, sgnatch everything and everyone else are kicked out.

so dont mine ice 24/7

We were missing your patronizing schooling, keep it going please.

Sandbox is sandbox only long enough before the developers decide they don't like your sand in a certain place.

All high sec Ice Anomalies spawn exactly 2500 Cubes of Ice.

That's almost 18 Orca Loads. Snatching 'everything' is a little difficult, and a ridiculous exaggeration on your part.

Again, this isn't to complain about me, more about EVE game play in general.
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If there were no boundaries, it wouldn't be a sandbox GÇö just a misshapen heap.

All high sec Ice Anomalies spawn exactly 2500 Cubes of Ice.

That's almost 18 Orca Loads. Snatching 'everything' is a little difficult, and a ridiculous exaggeration on your part.

"ICE is failing with the new setup because it doesn't allow a player to select ICE mining as a profession"

most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet. not to mention those that don't quite hit that size, often weren't alone in a system so between the handful there were, it's not difficult to empty the anomalies at a rather rapid pace.

Interesting that out where I am, the multi-boxers do not seem to be in existence anymore.................

I think the real issue is AFK gameplay.

Go mine in Null Sec...

That said, Ice prices don't make it as lucrative to ice mine anymore.

Your right if you can find an open research slot in high sec (You wont without a long ling in front of you). Thats why they have POS's but those are obsolete in high sec now because nobody can fuel them in high sec unless your space rich. I believe the goal was to push the player base out to low/null sec which is a good idea but unfortunately your going to see alot of Ice mining accounts unsub (Everyone is selling their Ice pilots).

you only need a fleet of ~25-26 ships inc boosters and haulers

most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet.

Even though I know it's more or less accepted in EVE, I find that the above situation (especially in a MMO, which is entirely based around interacting with other people) is more likely the cause of the issue than the mechanics of ice fields spawning itself.

Even though I know it's more or less accepted in EVE, I find that the above situation (especially in a MMO, which is entirely based around interacting with other people) is more likely the cause of the issue than the mechanics of ice fields spawning itself.

Even though I know it's more or less accepted in EVE, I find that the above situation (especially in a MMO, which is entirely based around interacting with other people) is more likely the cause of the issue than the mechanics of ice fields spawning itself.

I'm sorry but I couldn't read the whole thread as I'm seeing double and it's overwhelming right now but.

I just witnessed a belt in a highly-popular gallente space stripped out of ice by:

- 6 hulks
- 1 orca
- 2 Obelisks

I witnessed it on friendly mostly former ice miner chat. I was running high sec missions at the time.

It was interesting to me because people on that chat were throwing things out like "unfair", I can't compete, and "I don't want to log on anymore because I can't compete due to my limited time, and I don't enjoy anything else in eve right now"

And thus, for the first time in my life I've understood Schadenfreude.

I can enjoy it because those who were afk mining are hurting

and once they quit

I'll enjoy it when the investors ask the CCP managers, what happened to the subscriptions

So this is a "other people will unsub" thread.

Nothing lasts forever, eventually everyone will get recycled. So, may as well get ready to play with and/or by yourself.

Play with ... myself ?

Guess I'll be unsubbing too.

Every ice anomaly I've visited in lowsec has had plenty to mine. Maybe set up shop there?

In regard to the original post, I was making a statement about ICE being the last true AFK business model where i guy could scale a large fleet and comfortably turn a profit on each account subscription after plexing it

Every ice anomaly I've visited in lowsec has had plenty to mine. Maybe set up shop there?

That's a fair comment, yet I really don't understand the nature of Low Sec and Null Sec players being angry at players who prefer High Sec game play.

We don't mind people playing in high sec at all. We don't want them getting the same level of reward for it though.

Every ice anomaly I've visited in lowsec has had plenty to mine. Maybe set up shop there?

We don't mind people playing in high sec at all. We don't want them getting the same level of reward for it though.

We don't mind people playing in high sec at all. We don't want them getting the same level of reward for it though.

show me ONE high-sec alliance which:
- can afford 100+ titans like PL has.
- can afford losing 100-300 battleships in one CTA
- can organize and can support with ISK events like BurnJita, hulkageddon

I guess "reward" is more complex thing than you like to see it

show me an activity in high sec that is worth forming a corp for.

disclaimer: one man corps to evade npc corp taxes don't count.