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Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 235	Posted - 2013.06.12 13:00:00 - [31] - Quote Yeah I've ran L4s in a Blarpy and I also run C2 WH anomalies in a PvP fit active Blarpy when the system is hot. Not the most efficient but a load of fun.
bloodknight2 Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS 77	Posted - 2013.06.12 17:05:00 - [32] - Quote Cs5 but can't fly a legion or a zealot. Only 670dps with Cs5. Really? Sad. Train for a nightmare for lv4. The abso doesn't have any range at all for pve.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 816	Posted - 2013.06.12 17:31:00 - [33] - Quote Battle BV Master wrote: Either case the rats will die laughing well before you can shoot them. Both ships are horrible choices for lvl 4s You can use the word "were" instead of "are". Sure they need some love and legion could actually use a bit more than love but if you use a bit your little head and have decent skills trained you can make an Abso absolutely fantastic for 4's with nice big dps and having an unbreakable tank. Legion lasors sub sucks, god dammit it sucks so hard it's even harder to explain. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 816	Posted - 2013.06.12 17:33:00 - [34] - Quote bloodknight2 wrote: Cs5 but can't fly a legion or a zealot. Only 670dps with Cs5. Really? Sad. Train for a nightmare for lv4. The abso doesn't have any range at all for pve. If you can't fit an Abso for lvl4's doing it quite well you're doing it wrong sry. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
bloodknight2 Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS 77	Posted - 2013.06.12 19:55:00 - [35] - Quote Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: bloodknight2 wrote: Cs5 but can't fly a legion or a zealot. Only 670dps with Cs5. Really? Sad. Train for a nightmare for lv4. The abso doesn't have any range at all for pve. If you can't fit an Abso for lvl4's doing it quite well you're doing it wrong sry.
Shereza Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 134	Posted - 2013.06.13 03:41:00 - [36] - Quote Personally, legion. Being able to switch out for drones or missiles against EM/Thermal-resistant NPCs or when you're bored of just using lasers is, at least to me, a great thing.
Q 5 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 60	Posted - 2013.06.13 05:33:00 - [37] - Quote Great reading. Won't be wasting time training for an abso after reading this, gonna stick with training for a BS.
Garaba Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2013.06.14 09:30:00 - [38] - Quote Skip level 4's, blitz level 3's.
ChromeStriker The Riot Formation Unclaimed. 555	Posted - 2013.06.14 10:14:00 - [39] - Quote Tag team. Fly with a friend - Nulla Curas
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 817	Posted - 2013.06.14 12:52:00 - [40] - Quote ChromeStriker wrote: Tag team. Fly with a friend It's quite fun doing it with another buddy and eventually have remote reps (spider tank), 2 marauders can clean lvl4's so fats it largely compensates for the spread of rewards + you can salvage while shooting. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Stetson Eagle ROC Academy The ROC 44	Posted - 2013.06.14 14:10:00 - [41] - Quote You are able to fly navy omen, harbinger, navy harbinger, absolution, phantasm(caldari cruiser III?), ashimmu(minmatar cruiser III?). You can pull L3 or L4. Main advantage of the ships is speed. Disadvantage is applied dps and heavy issues with sansha and blood ewar (bad applied dps gets horribad when disrupted, lack of dps makes neuting an issue). This leads to the most viable solution to be blitzing the missions without stopping to kill rats unnecessarily. For this purpose, running level4 is much preferred whenever you can because of reward/completiontime. You want a ship that's able to hit and run them as well as kill triggers under fire. Absolution works best with what you can do today IMHO.
Garaba Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:56:00 - [42] - Quote Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: ChromeStriker wrote: Tag team. Fly with a friend It's quite fun doing it with another buddy and eventually have remote reps (spider tank), 2 marauders can clean lvl4's so fats it largely compensates for the spread of rewards + you can salvage while shooting. Marauders have needed a new bonus in place of the tractor beam since the Noctis was put in the game. Either boost the damage or give it a bonus like the Noctis. edit: and to the above poster: The Phantasm and ashimmu are god awful at everything. The ashimmu has some use in PvP, but it costs way too much to be used in 99% of the cases.
Aplier Shivra 4	Posted - 2013.06.15 04:29:00 - [43] - Quote Sorry in advance for lumping all my replies into one post (and for them being chronologically out of order). bloodknight2 wrote: Cs5 but can't fly a legion or a zealot. Only 670dps with Cs5. Really? Sad. Train for a nightmare for lv4. The abso doesn't have any range at all for pve. That's not including drones, with only two heatsinks, and two tank rigs, cause I'd rather be overtanked while still getting used to all the level 4's, and when I'm more comfortable I'll swap things around to get some more gank out of it. After doing that, and including drones (T2 hobgobs), I'll be at 900 dps with conflags, which I know is still not perfect, but hopefully less "sad" to you. And I do certainly understand the range thing, considering that has been the entire point of me making this thread. Garaba wrote: Skip level 4's, blitz level 3's. I tried that, actually, and my Abso was actually blitzing level 3's very nicely with an MWD/2 tracking computer fit. But even doing that, it still wasn't as good income as level 4's even when being very overtanked. Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: ChromeStriker wrote: Tag team. Fly with a friend It's quite fun doing it with another buddy and eventually have remote reps (spider tank), 2 marauders can clean lvl4's so fats it largely compensates for the spread of rewards + you can salvage while shooting. I do have a friend who is training up for a Mach right now, with the eventual plan being that I'd fly my Abso and focus on taking out cruisers/frigs while adding a warfare link boost, leaving him to wreak havoc on the battleships. But we won't get to fly together all the time, of course. The Djego wrote: helpful comparison of apoc/abbadon Thanks! If for whatever reason this character decides to move up to battleships, it would most likely be in the navy apoc. I imagine the extra goodies from it over T1 apoc are worth far more than the cost difference (250m). Just throwing some basic things around in EFT, 3 faction heat sinks are equal dps to 4 T2 heat sinks, making that extra low slot alone worth at least 180m of pimp. And that leaves all the extra things like 50% more hp, better mobility, better targetting stats, more fitting, more drones all only costing an extra ~70m over the regular version. Definitely worth every penny.
tamaz Viziam Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.29 15:14:00 - [44] - Quote I'm a bit of a freak, I enjoy doing missions and worse I prefer doing them in an absolution even though I can fly a T2 fit Paladin. It's slower and earns less isk but I find it more fun and engaging. I've soloed every lvl4 in an absolution and found that beams work a lot better than pulses, change the nano rigs to capacitors and the cap boost to a cap recharger and you should be able to almost perma run guns/ab/repper with a couple of heat sinks. If you don't have T2 drones train for them, it helps, a lot. PS, forgot to mention for Enemies Abound 5 of 5 you need to swop out the ab for a mwd & third HS or you will end up in a world of hurt.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 912	Posted - 2013.06.29 18:01:00 - [45] - Quote tamaz wrote: I'm a bit of a freak, I enjoy doing missions and worse I prefer doing them in an absolution even though I can fly a T2 fit Paladin. It's slower and earns less isk but I find it more fun and engaging. I've soloed every lvl4 in an absolution and found that beams work a lot better than pulses, change the nano rigs to capacitors and the cap boost to a cap recharger and you should be able to almost perma run guns/ab/repper with a couple of heat sinks. If you don't have T2 drones train for them, it helps, a lot. PS, forgot to mention for Enemies Abound 5 of 5 you need to swop out the ab for a mwd & third HS or you will end up in a world of hurt. If you prime fun over isk/h take whatever you want and go for it. Unfortunately in this game more than many I've played before you have tons of dudes that can't say a single phrase without isk/h and convert in real money, true psycho nerds. If you feel good doing it in your Paladin just do it and forget all the nerds with their stupid isk/h, a game is meant to have fun per hour not isk per hour or second/full job. You're the one doing it right. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Aplier Shivra 4	Posted - 2013.07.04 18:32:00 - [46] - Quote tamaz wrote: I'm a bit of a freak, I enjoy doing missions and worse I prefer doing them in an absolution even though I can fly a T2 fit Paladin. It's slower and earns less isk but I find it more fun and engaging. I've soloed every lvl4 in an absolution and found that beams work a lot better than pulses, change the nano rigs to capacitors and the cap boost to a cap recharger and you should be able to almost perma run guns/ab/repper with a couple of heat sinks. If you don't have T2 drones train for them, it helps, a lot. PS, forgot to mention for Enemies Abound 5 of 5 you need to swop out the ab for a mwd & third HS or you will end up in a world of hurt. Well, I decided to stick to the Absolution and more than happy with it, and I actually ended up settling on dual prop. Using the MWD to burn onto targets quickly solves the range problems of using pulse, also makes getting around the battlefield in general faster. And then the afterburner when I'm on top of them for speed tank and range control. With CCC's/cap recharger, it can pretty much perma run any two of guns, repper, MWD. Although atm I'm back to using the cap booster to eat through the massive amount of charges I still have, with a nano pump and a newly trained burst aerator II. I've also started doing incursions, which I have to say feels a lot more fun and relaxing to me than level 4's, while also making much better profit. Quote: If you prime fun over isk/h take whatever you want and go for it. Unfortunately in this game more than many I've played before you have tons of dudes that can't say a single phrase without isk/h and convert in real money, true psycho nerds. If you feel good doing it in your Paladin just do it and forget all the nerds with their stupid isk/h, a game is meant to have fun per hour not isk per hour or second/full job. You're the one doing it right. I think why you see so many people look at isk/h is because of the presence of PLEX. From one end, the fact that this game has a sanctioned, supported, reliable way to basically buy in-game money with real world money means that everything you make and lose in-game can feel like it's value can be applied as real world gains and losses, and no. The other end, being able to pay your normally real-world money subscription through PLEX means that by the time you're able to support your subscription through in-game methods (L4's, incursions, mining fleets) can make it feel like that first 550m is more like a job than just playing (still a rather fun job), and by maximising isk/h you can get through that initial 550m as fast as possible and spend the rest of the month increasing your assets and just having fun.
Psychoactive Stimulant TinklePee 29	Posted - 2013.09.14 19:32:00 - [47] - Quote SHUT UP ABOUT MY JOB! I make only this 15 dollars per month. So you can fly a kite. ISK/HOUR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FUN
Baggo Hammers 112	Posted - 2013.09.15 01:49:00 - [48] - Quote Garaba wrote: Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: ChromeStriker wrote: Tag team. Fly with a friend It's quite fun doing it with another buddy and eventually have remote reps (spider tank), 2 marauders can clean lvl4's so fats it largely compensates for the spread of rewards + you can salvage while shooting. Marauders have needed a new bonus in place of the tractor beam since the Noctis was put in the game. Either boost the damage or give it a bonus like the Noctis. edit: and to the above poster: The Phantasm and ashimmu are god awful at everything. The ashimmu has some use in PvP, but it costs way too much to be used in 99% of the cases. Good to see folks keep up. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=273500&find=unread If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 78	Posted - 2013.09.15 11:14:00 - [49] - Quote Command ships (together with AHACs and other T2 hulls) are utilized in PvE mainly for flavor reasons. The end-all be may always be a shiny T3 or a faction/pirate BS, but more choice and experimentation is always good, at least for me that is... If you really want to use an Absolution, here are some loadouts that may help: [Absolution, Sing for (L3) Absolution] Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Imperial Navy Heat Sink Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Beam Laser II Heavy Beam Laser II Heavy Beam Laser II Heavy Beam Laser II Heavy Beam Laser II Small Tractor Beam II Salvager II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Energy Collision Accelerator II Hobgoblin II x5 The above Sansha variant will give you close to a thousand hot DPS @20+15 and will comfortably blitz any L3 in existence. For L4s in an Absolution, you need sth like the following: [Absolution, Sing for (L4) Absolution] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Core C-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Core C-Type Armor EM Hardener Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Small Tractor Beam II Salvager II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Energy Collision Accelerator II Hobgoblin II x5 The above Sansha variant does a little more DPS, has a little less range and tanks L4s comfortably. It is as fast as an equivalently pimped Legion in the difficulty level at hand (has more DPS and drones but gets less range and sig tanks worse), but by this time it would be better to go for a BS anyway if mission efficiency matters for you. You can even use an Absolution for C1/2/3 WH sites. It will comfortably solo C1 and C2, and can do C3 either in a pair (command ships get two utility highs that can be successfully used for cap and armor spider tanking) or even solo if you put some money into it. An example for solo C3 (tested in sites like this and holds true) : [Absolution, Sing for C3 Absolution] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum B-Type Energized Thermic Membrane Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Salvager II Medium Nanobot Accelerator II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Hobgoblin II x5 Is it as efficient as other hulls? Hell no! But its fun to fly and colorful, to say the least...XD
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1212	Posted - 2013.09.15 13:04:00 - [50] - Quote Aplier Shivra wrote: Let's go with... hmm... RP reasons for why I can't use a battleship A bit of pimp here&there and your Legion/Abso will be dealing about same dps, both are great ships but Legion looks really awesome, I'd go with Legion before it gets nerf to useless. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne

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