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CCP Fear
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.11 09:45:00 -
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Hello all!
Something that comes up again and again is making how you import/export and share settings better. In some cases it's non-existant. In others it's a overly complex to do. (I'm looking at you Overview.. Especially on a Mac!)
So I've been pondering over it, look around and trying to get a better picture on how it should function within EVE. So here I am and I want your input on it!
Here are a couple of thing I would like your input on, but don't let that discourage you to give general input and feedback on the topic.
1) What settings would you like to have stored?
2) How would you expect the synchronization (import/export) to function? What would the interaction be?
3) How would you go about sharing settings with other players? (directly or in-directly)
These are just some basic questions to get the discussion going. Feel free to add any more within the realm of sharing/import/export of settings.
Best
CCP Fear |
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Hosedna
FumbleFamily Corp
33
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:10:00 -
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1) Every single bit of setting :) I hate having to spend time to redo some configuration stuff when I reinstall or play on another computer. Excepted of course graphics settings since they change per machine, not per user.
2) The ideal would be automated synchronization with storage on CCP server. You login, configuration is loaded, you are happy. A Cheaper solution would be a button in the launcher to generate an archive with a manifest of some sort, and another button to import said manifest. And don't save it in an obscure folder, give user the choice via a dialog window !
3) Sharing settings is very useful , particularly overviews, since they are a PITA to do ... |
Aemonn Ikari
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:42:00 -
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The first thing that would make import/export of settings a lot more convenient would be to remove the need to ever do that in the first place for situations where this is possible. When there is no reason for a setting to be intentionally set to different values on different computers, it should just be stored on CCP servers and be synchronized automatically. I have EVE installed on three different computers, manually syncing the overview settings is rather annoying.
If the setting is stored on the server, this would also allow additional methods of exchanging those settings ingame. For example, a permalink to a specific set of settings that you could paste into an Evemail. When clicking on such a link, a player would get a dialog with the option to import this set of settings. This might be especially useful e.g. for FW corps and RvB where fixing the overview of new players has to be always done, then this could just be sent in the welcome mail to new corp members.
Being able to have several profiles that contain separate sets of settings is always nice. |
Bubanni
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
699
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:52:00 -
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1) What settings would you like to have stored?
All window locations and overview settings, including tab names and brackets settings. also all settings under the ESC menu, like shortcuts, graphics settings, target back settings... everything...
neocom shortcut locations and such also. basicly being able to copy the client as is...
2) How would you expect the synchronization (import/export) to function? What would the interaction be?
File that can be importet from anywhere on the computer... when you import the settings, you can deselect/select what settings you want importet, like "all menu settings" "all overview settings" "all personalization" "everything" "wtfbbq"
3) How would you go about sharing settings with other players? (directly or in-directly)
share a file. that you can even backup on your own usb for when you reinstall your computer or game.
These are just some basic questions to get the discussion going. Feel free to add any more within the realm of sharing/import/export of settings.
Best
CCP Fear[/quote]
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Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
960
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:52:00 -
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The main things for me would be to ensure that certain things do not cross over between different machines, for example the settings I use on my GTX580 at 2550x1600 are of no use at all on my 1080p laptop which doesn't have a great GPU in it, which would melt.
Overview settings for sure, but I think if it's being done, it's worth doing properly and the overview settings editor itself is in drastic need of some work. The underlying problem is that the overview setup is so complex in the first place that sharing overviews becomes a matter of necessity... configurations which get lost if you change a single field, no auto saving, things like that.
Now personally, if I were going about the problem of saving settings, I'd probably consider something like a primitive web API which the client would just upload the configuration to, with a label, character ID, and MD5 of the configuration. Let people download / share the configuration and have it loaded directly into their clients by pasting in the MD5 code in a similar manner to how you paste in an ETC... "This configuration was provided by... XYZ Name. Proceed?"
In general though, I'd rather have some kind of interactive sync process than fully automated. While I want my left hand toolbar to stay the same, I might not want my window positioning to same (especially when dealing with multiple resolutions). |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
160
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:13:00 -
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Inventory Filter settings in addition to the others already mentioned:
Fittings - Personal and Corp
HUD Layout
Windows - Location, Size, Placement
Nested Windows
Neocom
Bookmarks ( as a backup)
A great sticky idea...well done CCP Fear!
I also think these used to be stored server-side back in the day but it took quite a while to synch to the client so they changed it to be stored locally.
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Nicen Jehr
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
197
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:14:00 -
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1) What settings would you like to have stored?
Super Important
Keyboard Shortcuts
Overview Settings
Not as important
Chat channels
Window Layouts
Ship module grouping and button layout
Suppressed dialog messages
2) How would you expect the synchronization (import/export) to function? What would the interaction be?
Use XML, JSON, etc to build a single config file that contains the configuration of some or all of the configurable items.
In the ESC menu, have 'Save Configuration' and 'Load Configuration'.
'Save Configuration' pops up a window with a set of checkboxes, allowing you to choose what things you want to save in your config file.
'Load Configuration' opens a config file from disk. It pops up a window with a set of checkboxes, allowing you to uncheck components of the config that you don't want to import. (So maybe I export my overview and chat channels, but you choose to only load my overview.)
Guess it's a whole different animal, but if you define API key permissions "Configuration - Overview; Configuration - Shortcuts" etc, and allow read and/or write access through CREST, my friend and I might not even need to share files. I could just give you an appropriately permissioned API key, and you could click 'Load Configuration from API' and paste my info.
3) How would you go about sharing settings with other players? (directly or in-directly)
see above
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Jureth22
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
91
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:42:00 -
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wish drone group were to be saved somewhere.its such a pain to have a lot of carriers and drone boats in general and keep making new group/to |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
550
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:58:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:The main things for me would be to ensure that certain things do not cross over between different machines, for example the settings I use on my GTX580 at 2550x1600 are of no use at all on my 1080p laptop which doesn't have a great GPU in it, which would melt.
QFT.
So while automatic service sync often is nice, there must be an option to switch it off.
Being able so save all settings (including UI settings, windows etc) and being able to import the ones I want would be gold.
Being able to export just part of the setting for sharing with friends would be nice bonus.
Sticking to established standard and use xml for import/export would also be good.
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Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:34:00 -
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Awesome. This is a much appreciated feature. The main thing that jumps to mind is obviously hotkeys, overview settings, window layout, and many more which I can't think of right now. |
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Ione Hawke
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:41:00 -
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What:
* overview settings
* channels
* neocom - (please put contracts there by default)
* fittings ?
* filters for inventories.
* ...
How:
Let players in the launcher create a template based account they are currently authenticated with. Perhaps with some drag/dropping/clicking checkboxes.
* add export to xml/yaml function to launcher
For each new character that logs in;
* allow a player to apply entire template, or select certain categories from template (checkboxes) to that character
While you are at it; allow launcher to maintain authentication tokens for multiple accounts. |
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
171
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:50:00 -
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I think it should come in 3 flavors:
1. Overview
----Allow the overview settings to become a data file in game that can be linked in chat, EVE mailed, etc. If there is a way to store such things on a corporate level that would be handy, but just being able to invite a new friend to the game and link him my overview would be a huge help. This is perhaps the biggest help for introducing new people to the game I can think of.
2 Adjustable UI elements
----Everything from HUD position to window placement to hotkey setups should be saved in another file. This should at least be EVE mailable. If an interface to set up to allow switching between a few different settings depending on task could be created, that would be a nice help.
3. Background client settings
----Volume, resolution, etc... All the things that you set and then generally forget unless new hardware or changing conditions require an adjustement. This could be saved to a simple file on the PC, though again the ability to store and use EVE mail to access it would be helpful. |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
265
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:52:00 -
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CCP Fear wrote:Hello all!
Something that comes up again and again is making how you import/export and share settings better. In some cases it's non-existant. In others it's a overly complex to do. (I'm looking at you Overview.. Especially on a Mac!)
So I've been pondering over it, look around and trying to get a better picture on how it should function within EVE. So here I am and I want your input on it!
Here are a couple of thing I would like your input on, but don't let that discourage you to give general input and feedback on the topic.
1) What settings would you like to have stored?
2) How would you expect the synchronization (import/export) to function? What would the interaction be?
3) How would you go about sharing settings with other players? (directly or in-directly)
These are just some basic questions to get the discussion going. Feel free to add any more within the realm of sharing/import/export of settings.
Best
CCP Fear Yes please! Optimally, I'd love if I could export *all* the settings, so that if I'm running two clients, say, I could set one up, export the settings and have an identical overview on each (spacing, tabs, overview details+order, window positions, neocom icons, etc.). I'd love if this would extend to bookmarks, too, but they are somewhat easily transferrable, so it's not so bad as the overview and other settings are.
It's just really difficult to get identical clients, which I'm sure what many people like who run multiple "mains."
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mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1269
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:10:00 -
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It'd be nice to have market quickbar settings be something that you can import/export without the whole "go to local/eve folder, copy/paste and rename" thing that's necessary to do that now.
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Luc Chastot
Gentleman's Corp
388
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:07:00 -
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1. All settings, especially UI and workflow related settings. This means window sizes, positions etc.
2. Import/export buttons in the Esc menu, with a pop-up window that contains checkboxes for all the settings that you can import/export.
3. Emailing the exported file?
Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Lau Torik
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:19:00 -
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Overview Settings, Client Settings, Bookmarks, Window Settings, Chat Settings
- Save and load from server
- Named Configs, limit to 5 of each for resource conservation
- Shared Configs via API
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Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp
V.A.S.T.
134
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:47:00 -
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Settings which will be relevant to all computers (overview settings, scan filters, market quickbar, etc) should be stored on the server and available whenever I log in, regardless of what computer I'm logging in from. Possibly also shortcut key mappings.
Settings which won't be relevant to all computers (resolution & other graphics settings) should not be stored on the server, as I may want different settings on different computers.
Where it gets sketchy is things like window positions, which will sometimes be useful across different computers and sometimes not. Maybe have an option for that sort of thing? |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
109
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:06:00 -
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CCP Fear wrote:
2) How would you expect the synchronization (import/export) to function? What would the interaction be?
go to some sub-menu in the overview's rightclick menu, and have a rather comfortably sized window popping up letting me select one of those thingies from a drop-down-menu, showing me a preview and letting me confirm. Overview is free to reload together with the scanning overlay-cycling-thingy. So instead of selecting a file, have it look more integrated.
(that window should contain a small simulation of things (a cyno, a pos with forcefield, a moon, an IBIS, a pod, a couple ships appearing to be from corp/alliance/at-war and in hostile militia), so one could immediatly see the impact ones checkboxes do)
CCP Fear wrote:
3) How would you go about sharing settings with other players? (directly or in-directly)
It should clearly work like sharing fits! Dropping a link, pops up a passwordbox, everyone can clcik and add that overview settings to his own overview settings by entering the same password. Free to grab from corp-overview-settings. |
Gorgoth24
Sickology
8
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:19:00 -
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General Feedback: CCP Marry me. This is one of those little things that I would LOVE to see fixed
Aside from what was posted in the third response to the sticky about saving our stuff server-side (which is spot on), I think that the sharing of overview setting should be focused on something linked (like a fitting).
This way it can be linked in corp/alliance bulletins and be shared en masse.
This should probably also include a screenshot of the screen configuration when you click the link or show info, so you know what you're getting. |
Swiftstrike1
Interfector INC.
Fade 2 Black
41
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Posted - 2013.06.12 08:50:00 -
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Have a section on the website for shared settings configurations. A few stock screenshots and a description with each one and an up/down voting system so the popular ones get the most attention. Maybe even make them officially supported, built into the client things that you can load from the ESC menu. Somewhat similar to how Steam Greenlight works, but for custom settings instead of games. |
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Eskar DuCreaux
Titan Supply Inc
Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.06.12 13:08:00 -
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1. Everything that is configurable that doesn't depend on game start-up stability. (Everything but resolution I guess) The ONE thing I am unable to ever save- and one of the most important things to me- is the market quickbar shortcuts. I spend a lot of time at the market and I absolutely dread having to repopulate my quickbar.
2. How about "saved system settings" (things you select in the escape menu) and "saved user customization" (things that are customized outside of the escape menu) files stored on the server that players can access to populate the config files at will. A prompt to access those settings when the system detects that you are connecting from a fresh copy or a new computer would be insanely stylish. This way when people are jumping from system to system, they can select which settings will work best for them from the get go and keep universal things like their overview or market quickbar in the customization file and/or swap it up from time to time if they need.
3. If 2 is true, could you make it be a block of data you can link in chat? I don't know how possible that is but it would be too cool. Want to share a quickbar/overview customization file with a corpmate so he can watch some specific market items for you and/or kill people using your pvp overview? Blam click this orange text and select yes. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
419
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Posted - 2013.06.13 11:01:00 -
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Would be very very interesting if you could have CORP overview settings. Just like bookmarks .
If you guys touch overview.. please.. find a way so that I can show people that have suspect or criminal flags but not show neutrals without those flags !!!! |
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CCP Fear
C C P
C C P Alliance
187
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Posted - 2013.06.14 11:29:00 -
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I apologize for my late return to this thread, cought some bug and been stuck in bed. Thankfully I got TNG on blu-ray to keep me company!
Anyways. I love the feedback. It confirms some of the things I had been thinking but also has provided me with great insight into how to use such a feature from your perspective and for that I'm thankful!
So to sum up, I think it's important to store the following (plus more).
- All relevant settings in the ESC menu (excluding Graphical settings as they are reliant on the computer (might bit way around it though, want to investigate that)).
- Overview settings
- Ship module grouping and layout
- Inventory filters
- Fittings
- Neocom
- Drone groups
- Chat Channels and their settings
- Market Quickbar and settings
I would really like to have the sharing/import interaction very simple. Not sure I can get development time to make a big website feature where it's a public voting up and down, or something very complex and implementation intensive. Key is to have it simple to use.
I think the key elements that I think are important here are;
- Multiple saved profiles which are easily switched between.
- Everything stored server side. Synching is automatic to the profile being used. (this obviously has to be smart enough so it doesn't just always change. But the assumption is that it should be the same if you log in to a character on a different machine.)
- Sharing between players is easy, link that can be posted through eve-mail, chat etc.
- accepting sharing is easy, simple dialog stating what the shared profile is, you can select which "sections" you want.
- CCP's changes to default settings do not override, but you get some notification on if they have been changed, and you have some way to import it. If you use CCP's default settings, then this change is automatic (perhaps?)
- Can save/load from file locally if you wish to have hard copies (sharing through that is obviously possible as well.
- Corporation shared profiles is great! I like any feature that allows for players to be masters of the complexity that is our UI settings and help others!
There also needs to be some simple management view on this, probably in the ESC menu. Complexity of that needs to be considered though. But if it's simple to use, then a novice should be able to accept and apply without problems or need to have a degree in EVE settings. Others that have mastered that can then share with others.
I'm quite excited to get this in! :) |
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sebnaje
Bionesis Technologies
Electus Matari
1
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Posted - 2013.06.14 11:49:00 -
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Regarding overview, debug settings that are not corectly saved when importing an overview (small tags), make the current export function work regardless filters number (overview profiles wont export if too numerous). Also please add all overview settings that arent currently exportable (tag sorting ...).
All your listed items sound good but this is a first step. |
Nicen Jehr
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
200
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Posted - 2013.06.14 14:25:00 -
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Thanks CCP Fear, this feature will go a really long way, especially for getting new players up and running quickly
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1451
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:46:00 -
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Easy to read and edit text file. So we an post them and have our corpies copy/paste them into a file which can then be read into Eve.
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Ager Agemo
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
328
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Posted - 2013.06.14 19:28:00 -
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settings should be stored on the EVE folder itself, makes the most sense, since the use of the APP data folder its troublesome to be honest...
also synced with server would be best |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1016
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Posted - 2013.06.15 11:08:00 -
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CCP Fear wrote:Hello all!
Something that comes up again and again is making how you import/export and share settings better. In some cases it's non-existant. In others it's a overly complex to do. (I'm looking at you Overview.. Especially on a Mac!)
So I've been pondering over it, look around and trying to get a better picture on how it should function within EVE. So here I am and I want your input on it!
Here are a couple of thing I would like your input on, but don't let that discourage you to give general input and feedback on the topic.
1) What settings would you like to have stored?
2) How would you expect the synchronization (import/export) to function? What would the interaction be?
3) How would you go about sharing settings with other players? (directly or in-directly)
These are just some basic questions to get the discussion going. Feel free to add any more within the realm of sharing/import/export of settings.
Best
CCP Fear
Could you just start off with giving me more than 5 overview tabs?
kthxbai
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
500
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Posted - 2013.06.15 14:16:00 -
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1) What settings would you like to have stored?
All.
2) How would you expect the synchronization (import/export) to function? What would the interaction be?
A 'back-up settings' button in the launcher, possibly with checkboxes for stuff like 'overview settings', 'window settings', etc., and an option to choose and return a certain back-up, and the ability to see which settings are stored in that backup.
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Adunh Slavy
958
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Posted - 2013.06.16 00:55:00 -
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CCP Fear wrote:Hello all!
1) What settings would you like to have stored?
2) How would you expect the synchronization (import/export) to function? What would the interaction be?
3) How would you go about sharing settings with other players? (directly or in-directly)
1 - Everything. However, bring a up a dialog box with check boxes for what elements we want to export.
2 - XML files. Parse the elements, shuffle the results off to whatever property bags you guys use and execute.
3 - Plain ol XML, who cares. Email, FTP. eve mail, carrier pidgeon with a USB stick taped to its tummy. |
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