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Ripp Tyde	Posted - 2005.11.13 23:59:00 - [151] Originally by: Sku1ly '...though that decision has not been made final yet.' ^^. Rofl, so everyone is to let you decide when the right time is to cancel an agreement? So you are sup[posed to choose when to turn and slide the knife in! o k i understand now. Ripp Tyde F.R.E.E.E. DingleBerry Bear snip Signature image too large. Please resize it to a maximum height of 120px - Teblin
Gierling	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:00:00 - [152] Edited by: Gierling on 14/11/2005 00:02:34 I dont think the agreement was understood properly by many here. I however find it wise to wait for more diplomatic sorts then me to explain these things, as I do not want to misrepresent anything. I do suspect that this will end sooner and more civilly then most expect. As far as us "not standing G", actually I think if you will look over the thread the bulk of our complaints amounts to "poor form mates". I havent seen any personal insults fly, so much as a lot of disagreement over policy and the like. I dont think anyone here G or ASCN is tossing out personal insults, and I hope it can remain that way. snip That's not very appropriate. - Teblin
Heinky	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:01:00 - [153] Originally by: Eleese Originally by: Heinky No intel between g and Burn eden, i just guess they also do their homework, but since u guys are asking ill show u a little quate from forums by CLS- cyvok, maybe im reading it wrong but it kinda sounds like future backstabbing. "Presently, we have gotten confirmation from MASS that ASCN should not get involved with the current SA conflict. ASCN will only get involved if SA space nears a state of near total collapse or SA leadership directly asks for our help. ASCNÆs current policy is that we will not allow a northern Alliance to gain a permanent long term presence on our door step. ASCN may be resetting the G & IRON standings to 0.0 this weekend, though that decision has not been made final yet." gratz on stating the bloody obvious... yes g/iron would have to be set to neutral.. since the agreament posted all over these PUBLIC forums states g/iron agrea'd to leave the south and head back north and if they didnt the standing would need to be reset.. thats not exactly classified info. Well, like i said i read one thing out of this, hes says in this post that u guys will help them if Mass asks u to, what help is he talking about ? u setting g/iron to neutral ? i dont think so.
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:02:00 - [154] I'm so glad I consider our forums and intrusions on them (and our TS as well) an out of game attack, will make my life much easier one day.
Sku1ly	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:04:00 - [155] Originally by: Ripp Tyde Rofl, so everyone is to let you decide when the right time is to cancel an agreement? So you are sup[posed to choose when to turn and slide the knife in! o k i understand now. A good analogy would be; 'I might pop to town today, but I havn't decided yet.' You see? It might happen, it might not. It doesn't say, 'Oooh yes on Sunday we will definately reset standings', it states that we may do.
Ripp Tyde	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:07:00 - [156] Originally by: Sku1ly Originally by: Ripp Tyde Rofl, so everyone is to let you decide when the right time is to cancel an agreement? So you are sup[posed to choose when to turn and slide the knife in! o k i understand now. A good analogy would be; 'I might pop to town today, but I havn't decided yet.' You see? It might happen, it might not. It doesn't say, 'Oooh yes on Sunday we will definately reset standings', it states that we may do. her is an analogy of my own. " these guys might jump me, they might not" my answer:strike first why wait Ripp Tyde F.R.E.E.E. DingleBerry Bear snip Signature image too large. Please resize it to a maximum height of 120px - Teblin
Sku1ly	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:09:00 - [157] Originally by: Ripp Tyde her is an analogy of my own. " these guys might jump me, they might not" my answer:strike first why wait What a lovely attitude to life.
MuthaTrucka	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:10:00 - [158] FLAME ME! FLAME ME! Definatly not a constructive post --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. [SeXin Up Foyle]
Heinky	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:11:00 - [159] Originally by: Adhamhnon I'm so glad I consider our forums and intrusions on them (and our TS as well) an out of game attack, will make my life much easier one day. First of all its not intrusion on something out of game, since we have chars in ascn we just relay ino :) and both the forums and ts are for EVE the game so its valid to spy on both.
Ripp Tyde	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:11:00 - [160] Originally by: Sku1ly Originally by: Ripp Tyde her is an analogy of my own. " these guys might jump me, they might not" my answer:strike first why wait What a lovely attitude to life. Why im so loved There are 3 types of ppl in MY world. Those who love me Those who hate me and Those who have yet to run across me. Which type you are is up to u, i could careless Ripp Tyde F.R.E.E.E. DingleBerry Bear snip Signature image too large. Please resize it to a maximum height of 120px - Teblin

j0sephine	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:12:00 - [161] "her is an analogy of my own. " these guys might jump me, they might not" my answer:strike first why wait" Well, to take your analogy all way down to court and possible consequences, the waiting part makes the difference between unlawful assault and justified self-defense... ;s
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:12:00 - [162] Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the brave.
Chrony	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:13:00 - [163] Edited by: Chrony on 14/11/2005 00:13:48 Ok let me get that straight... You let G/IRON use your space to attack SA, and when G/IRON comes too close to what they want to archieve (killing SA) you will help SA and set G/IRON back to 0.0? Dont you think that's a little strange?
Ripp Tyde	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:14:00 - [164] Originally by: j0sephine "her is an analogy of my own. " these guys might jump me, they might not" my answer:strike first why wait" Well, to take your analogy all way down to court and possible consequences, the waiting part makes the difference between unlawful assault and justified self-defense... ;s J0 not if your a body of goverment. you make your laws, ask bush Ripp Tyde F.R.E.E.E. DingleBerry Bear snip Signature image too large. Please resize it to a maximum height of 120px - Teblin
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:17:00 - [165] Originally by: Heinky Originally by: Adhamhnon I'm so glad I consider our forums and intrusions on them (and our TS as well) an out of game attack, will make my life much easier one day. First of all its not intrusion on something out of game, since we have chars in ascn we just relay ino :) and both the forums and ts are for EVE the game so its valid to spy on both. CCP doesn't pay for our forums or our TS, and neither do you. It IS Out of Game. And I will treat it as such no matter what spin you try and put on it. I suggest you remember that.
Gierling	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:18:00 - [166] Shin Ra, like you or not... I'll tell you that it is poor form to use a qoute without attribution. BTW that is a Helen Keller qoute. snip That's not very appropriate. - Teblin
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:19:00 - [167] "J0 not if your a body of goverment. you make your laws" Aye, but 'tis the forums and no alliance of players is the body of government here... so they all get judged and flamed/praised/whatever by dozens of forum hoes with too much free time... in accordance with their actions -.^ (until the pink dreadnaught of l0ckage shows up, anyway o.o;
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:21:00 - [168] Originally by: Gierling Shin Ra, like you or not... I'll tell you that it is poor form to use a qoute without attribution. BTW that is a Helen Keller qoute. Hiding behind words and diplomacy won't save you. Sooner or later youur gonna have to pick up your guns.
Rhodry Amarrian	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:22:00 - [169] Originally by: Heinky "Presently, we have gotten confirmation from MASS that ASCN should not get involved with the current SA conflict. Cant believe i am quoting BE (quoting ASCN forums) but anyways - can I just point out the above to all of those that were earlier saying how ASCN "betrayed" MASS/SA and refused to help them or may even have had a hand in their problems.
Darkrydar	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:31:00 - [170] I honestly didn't think it was possible, but my opinion of BE is lowered again.

Heinky	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:31:00 - [171] Originally by: Adhamhnon Originally by: Heinky Originally by: Adhamhnon I'm so glad I consider our forums and intrusions on them (and our TS as well) an out of game attack, will make my life much easier one day. First of all its not intrusion on something out of game, since we have chars in ascn we just relay ino :) and both the forums and ts are for EVE the game so its valid to spy on both. CCP doesn't pay for our forums or our TS, and neither do you. It IS Out of Game. And I will treat it as such no matter what spin you try and put on it. I suggest you remember that. Im not sure what u mean by spining and i really dont care, we will spy on u , your forums , ts and everything we can use as intel. U can treat it however u like, so please go sit in the corner.
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:34:00 - [172] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Eve Politics at its best. I am trying hard not laugh.......honest. It sure is interesting...but i can't help it,i'm laughing I don't wanna get in the discussion about honour,warning before attacks/standings changes,etc and compare it with ASCN's formation because a)we all know how ASCN was formed,and most importantly b)it will only lead to a flamefest. What i can safely say is that ASCN has been played by G/Iron/Razor and that's not dishonest,it's simply clever. There's so much talk about honour in this game lately (which is a hard to define concept) that i'm getting the impression i'm playing a game about medieval jousting tournaments and knights in shining armor. In the end of the day this is only WAR. Objectives of a war usually involve criplling or totally demolishing the opponent,the means to that are irrelevant. Take a look at a history book,it's nothing new,it's human nature and our EvE politics mirror the RL ones. In WWII Germany had a nap with the Soviets,they split Polland in half and about a year later Germany launched a surprise attack on the Soviet Union. You think they gave them a warning and the time to move their factories behind the Urals or conceal their warplanes? They just steamrolled in. So,the conclusion is very very simple: War is about objectives,and objectives are about advantages. Sorry to break this to you but an advantage is unfair by definition,otherwise it wouldn't be an advantage. And to top it all off, there's a certain kind of advantage that doesn't work alone, but combined with other advantages like manpower,logistics,etc it becomes the greatest force multiplier ever to exist in human warfare. It's what people say when they throw birthday parties...SURPRISE In war it's not the "how" that matters,it's the "when,where and to what effect" that really does. Have fun killing each other. P.S. I fully endorse and support the Iron/G/Razor effort (/me waves to Octavian Vanguard )
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:37:00 - [173] /toasts marshmallows Can someone please drag BoB into this debate we're feeling a little left out Eve Blacklight Style
Heinky	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:39:00 - [174] Originally by: Blacklight /toasts marshmallows Can someone please drag BoB into this debate we're feeling a little left out Bob cant hack it with the big boys deep south. Thats a quate from a forum not to be mention, so have fun blacklight
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:40:00 - [175] "Can someone please drag BoB into this debate we're feeling a little left out " Just announce forthcoming war declarations on everyone involved -.o
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:40:00 - [176] Originally by: Blacklight Can someone please drag BoB into this debate we're feeling a little left out I've been sitting here at work for like two hours and haven't found anything worthy to mindlessly flame. /me jumps up and down waving his hands screaming! WE WANNA PLAY TOO!! -Druid
Mallik Hendrake	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:40:00 - [177] I hear that Iron is going to be merging with Bob and attacking Fix soon. -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_ Mallik Hendrake E X O D U S [I do not speak for E X O or IRON]
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:41:00 - [178] I have a rather large number of Rifters here. Now, where's 0verkill... Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:44:00 - [179] i need an entrance point too STAN FACTA NON VERBA ALTS FTL
Galavet	Posted - 2005.11.14 00:49:00 - [180] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Coasterbrian Oh, and, er, why won't you all come play? Now that we actually got our fleet organized and into decent shape to fight..... u had your fleet organized before and camping a gate with 3252 bubbles and double number swaiting for us to jump in? No go. oh and look at the time, gn Nice to see all of [G] still go to bed at the exact same time. Reminds me of your heroic tactics in Fade.



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