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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.14 08:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Blacklight
/toasts marshmallows
Can someone please drag BoB into this debate we're feeling a little left out 
*steals BL's marshmellows* 
Sooo... are G and IRON going to get -10 or just a lousy -9? 
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Jodax
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Posted - 2005.11.14 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Blacklight
/toasts marshmallows
Can someone please drag BoB into this debate we're feeling a little left out
*steals BL's marshmellows*
Sooo... are G and IRON going to get -10 or just a lousy -9?
They're the big -10 baby!!!
Don't feel bad Seleene... If it helps, I can change my personal standings to MC to -10^26
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Heinky
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Posted - 2005.11.14 09:21:00 -
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Just to clear something up, Burn eden has nothing to do with g/iron or ascn conflict, i just posted my opinion on the cyvok post on ascn forums.
Tho theres nothing i would love more then seeing ascn alliance fall, so we will camp ascn supplie and reinforcment route as last night
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Roxanne
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Posted - 2005.11.14 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Angelus X
I still keep in touch with many pilots from [DDC] and [ASCN], and I know for a fact that there is nothing they would have liked more, than be able to shoot G/IRON/RAZOR when they first came to the south to attack SA. I'd hardly call it "deflection", when to my knowledge it was G/IRON who asked for peace?
Then why did ASCN step back and watch while formerly hostile forces attack its neighbours? To my knowledge G/IRON made their intention to destroy SA clear beforehand, so ASCN napped them while knowing that they were going after SA. If ASCN would have liked to shoot G/IRON they had all the chance to do so, there was an empire war after all and after that G/IRON went south, a lot of chances to shoot them, right? But ASCN did not, so talking about "what they would have liked" is rather moot in light of their actual actions.
And after napping G/IRON ASCN offered SA help according to some ASCN people on these forums? First nap the aggressors while knowing that they will attack, then offer help to the defender? Quite honorable, is it?
When SA is about to collapse, ASCN makes a deal with the aggressor dividing the territory of SA, obviously without the knowledge of SA when you read their replies in the ASCN statement thread. Even after the official statement, ASCN pulls back its forces to deal with G/IRON. So, after making a deal which they were not able to actually deliver, ASCN prepares for war and a pre-emptive strike against G/IRON and the POSes.
Maybe ASCN does not want any more regions. But the downfall of a potential rival and the influx of new corps/people into its ranks is surely not unwanted. And getting the outpost for free would probably have been nice, too.
ASCN tried to bully the northern forces out while making empty offers and got called on that, literally being caught with the hand in the cookie jar. I wonder if G/IRON will launch a similar campaign as the destructive SA attack. I wonder if ASCN has the dedication and preservance to defend better than SA. I wonder if other forces chose to aid ASCN after all of their scheming.
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Leyanna
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Posted - 2005.11.14 09:41:00 -
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Man, all this rhetoric and bull**** is making my head spin.
I have a great idea. Why dont the G/Iron members and ASCN members that were actually a part of negotiations and present for said negotiations make their points.
One post, per observer of the negotiations. Done, cleaned up, and we can go back to speculating.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.11.14 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Leyanna
Man, all this rhetoric and bull**** is making my head spin.
I have a great idea. Why dont the G/Iron members and ASCN members that were actually a part of negotiations and present for said negotiations make their points.
One post, per observer of the negotiations. Done, cleaned up, and we can go back to speculating.
I have a better idea. Everyone should just kill each other and get on with it.
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Braaage
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Posted - 2005.11.14 09:55:00 -
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It seems so obvious what has happened - Mr Baun/BE has fed G a load of misinformation and is trying his damn best to cover his ass. He's taken words, then twisted and manipulated them so as to pull the wool over Gs eyes.
There only seems to be BOB that sees this (or that's posted saying so).
Who cares anyway it's only a game but BE has lost all repsect, err, if it had any to start with.
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Fairchild
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:01:00 -
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This is really funny
ASCN are just carebears anyway so G/Iron are gonna whoop them
Xetic all over again.
And ASCN I SUPPORT NO ALLIANCE but ur actions have Xetic written all over them
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Fairchild
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Leyanna
Man, all this rhetoric and bull**** is making my head spin.
I have a great idea. Why dont the G/Iron members and ASCN members that were actually a part of negotiations and present for said negotiations make their points.
One post, per observer of the negotiations. Done, cleaned up, and we can go back to speculating.
I have a better idea. Everyone should just kill each other and get on with it.
I got an even better one, shut up n00b
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AibohphobiA
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:03:00 -
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imho, this seems like an unfortunate misunderstanding (at least for the two main blocs involved)
it stretches the imagination to think that g/iron/razor was looking to create a permanent or even long-term settlement in the south - their home is in the north... they know it, and ascn should have known it
could this have been as simple as: ascn getting impatient with a northern pullout and saying something impolitic, then g/iron/razor being correspondingly blunt in reply, followed by ascn unwisely staging a large fleet near an established g/iron/razor rally point?
in the worst case, that is, ascn being duplicitous in their scheming, i wouldn't say that g/iron/razor shooting blues is any worse than ascn double-dealing
after all, negotiating in bad faith is no more 'dishonourable' than actuating the same - shooting at 'blue' is just a function of the game
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Murphy
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:07:00 -
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funny how we were suppose to attack g/iron when DDC was in empire shooting NBSI.
So for the un-educated DDC leads all the assaults, so kind of hard for us to attack g/iron down south when we're up in empire shooting NBSI..
and if you don't beleive me, check our killtracker. Yep those are kills in empire the night before g/iron attacked us.
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Rhodry Amarrian
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanne
insert speculation
Very far wide of the mark.
As noted above, offers to help SA were made and turned down.
ASCN does not want any more space. The more spread out you are the more vulnerable you are.
ASCN wants strong and peaceful neighbours so that it can build the first 0.0 empire - that is what it is most interested in achieving.
Relations with SA were not always perfect but they were pretty good. If you were ASCN would you rather have a large, relatively peaceful neighbour (SA) or a bunch of small warring factions/pirates/griefers next to you?
You would rather have SA. Why then would ASCN want to see SA fall? Why would it offer to help and then choose to take action to help SA when it seemed to be splintering?
If ASCN wanted to take Estoria why would it not just let G/IRON destroy SA (If it could) and then wait for them to leave before stepping into Estoria? Why get into this situation with G/IRON?
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Eidolon
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Eidolon on 14/11/2005 10:13:11
Originally by: Badmouth Bob
There are 3 absoloute 'thruths' about the world of EVE.
1. CYVOK keeps his word.
2. It's laggy when supposed to be the most fun.
3. When CYVOK write an anouncement, atleast 1 alliance will break up as result.
That for sure. And the grass is blue and the world a disk...
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Fairchild
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:12:00 -
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That is so funny i fell of my chair, ASCN are like little bugs, using and manipulating people as bets they can
i hope u die, i really do, i hope u disaband and u get screwed in the ass
*we wont allow any northen alliance*
u cannot stop them
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:24:00 -
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Interesting discussion here. Some good points, some poor points and a fair bit of misinformation. Good ol' corp discussion forums.
Out of curiosity as something following this in various areas and posts, can an ASCN member publically confirm or deny the authenticity of this statement attributed to their forums?
Originally by: Aias
This part from the ASCN Forum was posted by an CLS-Member to G-lead four days ago:
Fleet orders have changed.
Fleet needs to return to Impass and prepare to assault G/Iron/Razor in SA asap.
This is a continuation of our PvP rotation, the target has changed and will kick G/Iron out of the south. We might even get in some POS killing practice.
We will come back north as soon as the situation down south has been dealt with.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Zosma Rises
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:36:00 -
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G, maybe if G had said it wanted to be a Southern Alliance, all would have been okay.
Instead G says it has to BE
Or something close to that.
Well, the sandbox has been formed, and the lines have been drawn. Let the tug-wars begin!!
btw - Hi BoB - good to see you here and hear you here too!
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:43:00 -
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OMG all this politics.. one thing for sure NBSI is newer gonna go into politics much to confusing.. And i really dont think we got the brains for this
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Trooper B99
Edited by: Trooper B99 on 14/11/2005 10:33:04
Interesting discussion here. Some good points, some poor points and a fair bit of misinformation. Good ol' corp discussion forums.
Out of curiosity as something following this in various areas and posts, can an ASCN member publically confirm or deny the authenticity of this statement attributed to their forums?
Originally by: Aias - post #249
This part from the ASCN Forum was posted by an CLS-Member to G-lead four days ago:
Fleet orders have changed.
Fleet needs to return to Impass and prepare to assault G/Iron/Razor in SA asap.
This is a continuation of our PvP rotation, the target has changed and will kick G/Iron out of the south. We might even get in some POS killing practice.
We will come back north as soon as the situation down south has been dealt with.
trooper the quote is irrelevant think of the forums situation here.... think a little deep you have a forum with about 2000 players using it, not to mention the spies. I could just log in and make a post were gonna go attack mc in empire and war dec them. And the value of that post = 0 because I have no say in those decisions. Its the same **** that happens everytime people quote stuff of peoples forums but they take little snippits which are taken out of context and are incomplete without the rest of the forums.
I mean that quote could easily be someones misinterpretation of guys come back to 0.0 because were unsure of what g/iron intend to do. The quote could be someone getting over excited and totally blowing stuff out of proportion.
Dude if i still had acess to mc forums im sure i could scan through old threads and discussions and quote from just joking comments and make it look like mc gonna war dec alot of people but it wouldnt be true or accurate.. but the quote would be. |
Roxanne
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Eleese
trooper the quote is irrelevant think of the forums situation here.... think a little deep you have a forum with about 2000 players using it, not to mention the spies. I could just log in and make a post were gonna go attack mc in empire and war dec them.
Anyone in ASCN can issue fleet orders? ... 
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanne
Originally by: Eleese
trooper the quote is irrelevant think of the forums situation here.... think a little deep you have a forum with about 2000 players using it, not to mention the spies. I could just log in and make a post were gonna go attack mc in empire and war dec them.
Anyone in ASCN can issue fleet orders? ...
Anyone can type a thread.
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Doltish
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Doltish on 14/11/2005 10:55:43
Originally by: Eleese
trooper the quote is irrelevant think of the forums situation here.... think a little deep you have a forum with about 2000 players using it, not to mention the spies. I could just log in and make a post were gonna go attack mc in empire and war dec them.
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I mean that quote could easily be someones misinterpretation of guys come back to 0.0 because were unsure of what g/iron intend to do. The quote could be someone getting over excited and totally blowing stuff out of proportion.
So your only defense of the quote is that you don't have any clue what the context was? Gee...talk about meaningful contribution.
I believe his intent in asking for confirmation was to ask someone who *did* have an idea of the context, and precisely where the quote was taken from. Posting that you have no information isn't helpful.
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Doltish
Edited by: Doltish on 14/11/2005 10:55:43
Originally by: Eleese
trooper the quote is irrelevant think of the forums situation here.... think a little deep you have a forum with about 2000 players using it, not to mention the spies. I could just log in and make a post were gonna go attack mc in empire and war dec them.
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I mean that quote could easily be someones misinterpretation of guys come back to 0.0 because were unsure of what g/iron intend to do. The quote could be someone getting over excited and totally blowing stuff out of proportion.
So your only defense of the quote is that you don't have any clue what the context was? Gee...talk about meaningful contribution.
I believe his intent in asking for confirmation was to ask someone who *did* have an idea of the context, and precisely where the quote was taken from. Posting that you have no information isn't helpful.
actually i cant find the quote atm
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Roxanne
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Eleese
Originally by: Roxanne
Originally by: Eleese
trooper the quote is irrelevant think of the forums situation here.... think a little deep you have a forum with about 2000 players using it, not to mention the spies. I could just log in and make a post were gonna go attack mc in empire and war dec them.
Anyone in ASCN can issue fleet orders? ...
Anyone can type a thread.
Is that post from the ASCN forums or channels? Is it from a person who as authority over the ASCN fleet?
You are only saying that anyone can type a thread but you never answered Trooper's question. The answer "anyone can type a thread" does in no way deny or confirm that ASCN ordered its fleet to gather for a war against G/IRON.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.14 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Eleese
Dude if i still had acess to mc forums im sure i could scan through old threads and discussions and quote from just joking comments and make it look like mc gonna war dec alot of people but it wouldnt be true or accurate.. but the quote would be.
Eleese, that may well be true. However I think the reason Trooper pointed that out is that it doesn't look like someone joking; it looks like a set of orders / plans. It certianly doesn't sound like:
"Let's go steal Blacklight's booze! Form up the fleet! Redrum! Redrum!!"
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Akoudoulos
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Posted - 2005.11.14 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Akoudoulos on 14/11/2005 11:05:41
Originally by: Murphy
Edited by: Murphy on 14/11/2005 10:09:58
funny how we were suppose to attack g/iron when DDC was in empire shooting NBSI.
So for the un-educated DDC leads all the assaults, so kind of hard for us to attack g/iron down south when we're up in empire shooting NBSI..
and if you don't beleive me, check our killtracker. Yep those are kills in empire the night before g/iron attacked us. Which basically means we were moving the fleet elsewhere and were totally ignoring g/iron.
Funny how you are suppose attack g/iron when ddc is in empire shooting nbsi??? are you joking right??
you mean that nbsi consumes 100% of ASCN,while we have 2 more empire wars with much better pilots than yours(yes The five and V are better than you) and about 1/6 of your total????
and this the best you can do??
http://www.ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=96
yeap you are right, you are doing a good job in empire, and the whole ASCN can't deal with more than one empire war(NBSI) and an invasion in the south(G/IRON)!!
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2005.11.14 11:01:00 -
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Akoudoulos no smack or flames you know the rule m8
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.11.14 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanne
Originally by: Eleese
Originally by: Roxanne
Originally by: Eleese
trooper the quote is irrelevant think of the forums situation here.... think a little deep you have a forum with about 2000 players using it, not to mention the spies. I could just log in and make a post were gonna go attack mc in empire and war dec them.
Anyone in ASCN can issue fleet orders? ...
Anyone can type a thread.
Is that post from the ASCN forums or channels? Is it from a person who as authority over the ASCN fleet?
You are only saying that anyone can type a thread but you never answered Trooper's question. The answer "anyone can type a thread" does in no way deny or confirm that ASCN ordered its fleet to gather for a war against G/IRON.
Well put it this way i have checked the important forums and important threads and cant find that quote from anyone of power or find it at all but I'm not saying it doesnt exist because theres alot of threads and i could easily miss it. maybe the spy could post me a linky :P
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Akoudoulos
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Posted - 2005.11.14 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Akoudoulos no smack or flames you know the rule m8
Ok boss my bad, but i din't smack(intentionally), i just wonder how 2500 ppl alliance can't deal with just 1/3 of nbsi
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Roxanne
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Posted - 2005.11.14 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Eleese
Well put it this way i have checked the important forums and important threads and cant find that quote from anyone of power or find it at all but I'm not saying it doesnt exist because theres alot of threads and i could easily miss it. maybe the spy could post me a linky :P
Could mean that the whole situation went SNAFU on bad intel... or that G/IRON simply forged a casus belli. Which I do not believe, by the way, but it is possible.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.11.14 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Eleese, that may well be true. However I think the reason Trooper pointed that out is that it doesn't look like someone joking; it looks like a set of orders / plans. It certianly doesn't sound like.
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trooper the quote is irrelevant think of the forums situation here.... think a little deep you have a forum with about 2000 players using it, not to mention the spies. I could just log in and make a post were gonna go attack mc in empire and war dec them.
Oh aye Eleese, i know anyone can post to forums for whatever reason but context is the thing here and also if the quote actually exists in the first place.
For example, if that had been posted and everyone was laughing and joking after it and telling the noob to stfu, then its probably nonsense. However, if the following posts had been discussions about attacking and so on, its a bit different. Also, it would depend on WHO had posted it as well - Cyvok/Steelrat/Krapz posting that is different from johnny-CLS-n00b posting it.
Context is the key here.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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