first strike is our scan strength has dropped making it harder for us to find stuff
second strike now that its so easy to scan everyone is out there scanning

...due to all the site being found as soon as they spawn, before the patch you might scan down 3 or 4 systems before you found something now you lucky to find anything after spending a day going from system to system.

i spent moths training up my scanning skills to level 5 so i could use all 8 probes and use them well, now all i have to do i spend a week training to get the same result, scan ships are now next to use less because you can now get the great scan strength from a bs fit with the moduals which means that. which means all us player who have spend months traing for the right ships and skills have been told bad luck don't care

maybe go to low sec where less than 10% of population live and scan there

After years of living and exploring in highsec, some of them are now doing this.

And they don't know how to dscan properly

first strike is our scan strength has dropped making it harder for us to find stuff

I agree with the OP.

True exploration is now a thing of the past. It not only required high skills and specialized equipment, it also required patience and persistence, along with some ingenuity and proper planing. Now it's nothing more than spoon fed instant gratification.



DMC

Yup,

Exploration has been opened up to people who could never be arsed to invest time to learn the skills and how to scan for the rewards.


Here everyone, take this free path to ISK making.

Yet another section of EvE watered down to the masses...

Yup,

Exploration has been opened up to people who could never be arsed to invest time to learn the skills and how to scan for the rewards.
Here everyone, take this free path to ISK making.

Yet another section of EvE watered down to the masses...

It looks like i found a person who is even more bad at math than i am

before: base * 1.50
now: base * 1.25 * 1.25

So the scan strength increased with the patch.

I also have All V skills + virture and i don't regret it.

All I see are bear tears about how they are not making the right amount of isk like they did before because of competition. What's wrong with giving the masses ways to make ISK, cause you are not the one getting it? Aw buhu, go listen to justin bieber and cry in some corner cause some meanie took some site before you...

New scan system increased the speed of system scanning, getting ship positions also is faster, it brought wh space to more people which in return we can see more pvp.

I like it and do not wish it to go back to the old ways, that thing took so much time, launch each probe, then spread them, then with each scan range changes again modify the position of probes, many people were getting bored at the stage of probe launching. This way that part of the game has been made interesting again and I THANK YOU CCP, god bless the person that devised it, for opening exploration to more people so more of them can earn their share and spend it on pvp.

you could change the scan size in one hit its called the ctrl A key selects them all

my scan strength before patch was 136.3 after patch it is 131.1

I don't mind the scanning changes. The real issue is that now that sites are visible they are wiped out with in a few minutes after downtime. Basically US TZ players are taking this one in the face as most of us are in bed at that time. Before it took skills to run down sites which prevented them from being wiped out quickly. With the new mechanics this isn't the case.

Sites don't spawn with downtime.

the new system is ok for a minigame, but let's stop calling it exploration. it is not.

Because pressing 8x Times F1 and then hassle around with shift and alt key just to get to probes to the position like 1000x times before is a sign of skill!

getting some routine on things whihc allows you achieving the goal in a more efficient manner = skill.
How would you define skill otherwise?

Yes, scanning has been dumbed down for noobs.

SERIOUSLY CCP WHY **** UP WHAT WAS GREAT

Do you have All V skills? Also the Astrometric skill so you could launch 8 probes before the patch?

EDIT: If i rembember correctly they change something with the stagging of the rigs.

I don't know how exactly the spawn mechanic works, but i guess we can all agree that DT has nothing to do with it.

The last thing i have heard is that sites spawn in the same region again after 4h. Where those numbers come from and if they are correct, i don't know. I would not count on it.

I have the _feeling_ that i find better sites in busy lowsec systems compared to almost dead lowsec systems. But i did not measure it, it's just a feeling.

Damn I love all the kbear tears I've been reading!

I love the clueless posts from wbears.

I love all the thank god no more spamming F1 to launch probes....

...considering they could be launched by mouse click as well, .

all we have replaced is 8 keyboard strokes with what 30 or so mouse clicks and associated twitch type movements....

The game-play in exploration went from Chess to Chequers, same board, but the depth of thought required, well nuff said..

What depth was there before that has been removed?

Well pre-Odyssey you had to have the wherewithal to actually get your probeboat and go out and check to see if there was anything to be found.

That is not a deep mechanic nor does it require skill.

I hope I simply had a bad luck.
Otherwise I really have to switch my career.
I really like exploration but 5 mil/hour is simply pathetic.

I logged on, wanted to make screenshot about scanning and found a tengu in a 5/10 DED complex.
Killed it, lotted 280mil BPC. Finished the DED compelx and looted again ~300mil.

So i got allmost 600mil in ~15 Minutes.

Sometimes you are lucky, sometimes you are not.

Wait, wut? So it's harder, but it's so easy everyone is doing it? .... ok
Then you are doing it wrong.
errr.... With level V skills you'll still find stuff faster than a 3 week noob, and you'll have cargo scanned and cleared half the site before they even arrive. 'Course that's given you are doing it right which... well.... see above. And scan strength ships also get bonuses to Analyzers, so you can cruise thru the tier 1 data/relic sites one-shoting firewalls and never taking damage. Again, do it right.

I agree it's been dumbed down so that any monkey can go "exploring". Though that's not even the right word for it. It's hardly exploration when you have a big glowing red ball on your map saying "goodies here! probe now!". There's alot of other stuff to complain about (like the lack of decent strategy in the mini-game, or the pointless loot spew), but not really what the OP is hitting at.

The biggest objection I have to the new scanning system is the placement of scanable objects into the scanning window when you jump into the system.

I like the changes to probe formations, skills, probe deployment, single click adjustment of the probe formations ... but it seems to me that the initial signatures should be found by scanning with probes and not displayed on the system scanner when you jump in - though the new system is much faster - it just feels like the skill required to do it well has dropped significantly.

I agree. People without a probe launcher should not see signatures. I don't know why it was made that way.

That is not a deep mechanic nor does it require skill.

I don't know how exactly the spawn mechanic works, but i guess we can all agree that DT has nothing to do with it.

The last thing i have heard is that sites spawn in the same region again after 4h. Where those numbers come from and if they are correct, i don't know. I would not count on it.

I have the _feeling_ that i find better sites in busy lowsec systems compared to almost dead lowsec systems. But i did not measure it, it's just a feeling.

CCP changed all things in the subject:

- spawning system,
- type of sites that spawn,
- spawn rates.

errr.... So that people who have never done "exploration" before will be inspired to give it a shot? It seems pretty friggin' obvious. I'm not a particularly big fan of it either, but I understand why CCP did it.

. I hope that after the initial run for the new content it will get better for explorers.

The whole premise behind this game is you have to go out and make stuff happen, the game doesn't do it for you. Now all of the sudden I get a full list of all 'hidden sites' automatically in every single system just for jumping in.

I sure do feel more like an explorer now

Also:

Loot scattering = ret@rded

Hacking mini-game = decent

Grav sites moved to anoms = great