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Nerdin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 17:40:00 -
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Just a quick thing about the font, I think its ok, but you know what?
Everyone complained when they switched to the one we have now but make a wild guess, we got used to it.
Same will happen with the new font so relax and enjoy all the new goodies coming in RMR.
Thanks CCP.
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RGSilverBuck1
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Posted - 2005.11.15 17:42:00 -
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This is just my opinion:
The nerfing of insta bm's is going to kill those of us that play and enjoy this game as industrial characters in 0.0 and that subsequently support PvPers.
Again a game manufacturer is testing a standard that will make the game geared towards PvPers only, if this is CCP's intention then they should make that known and give those that enjoy the other modes of play in the game some chance to be refunded some money that we have all wasted playing a game in the manner which has been provided.
The game has always, since I have played, had insta bm's available if you take the tiem to make them. This was not an easy task especially in 0.0. CCP has made changes to routes for traveling and messed with those of us that rely on those paths for our income in the game.
My question to CCP is this:
1) Are you trying to stop people from being industrial players in 0.0?
2) Do you want this to be a PVP only game?
3) Are you willing to compensate those of us that have dedicated ourselves to NOT being PVPers?
I believe with the NERFING of the insta bm's will kill 0.0 mineral and high loot carrying which will hurt those players and accounts that do so. Currently having instas DOES NOT provide an advantage to those that travel 0.0 with large amouts of valuable mins or loot. Proof of thios is when warp bubble are used OR you have a good group with the proper ships to stop travellers.
CCP please respond so that those of us involved in something OTHER THAN PVP can mak esome decisions.
Also, I understand and appreciate that CCP is and always does add new features to the game but I can not see the logic in this change except to handicap those that rely on them. This will in no way EVEN out the game it will give PvPers and Gate Campers an UNFAIR advantage.
Thank You.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Nerdin
Just a quick thing about the font, I think its ok, but you know what?
Everyone complained when they switched to the one we have now but make a wild guess, we got used to it.
Same will happen with the new font so relax and enjoy all the new goodies coming in RMR.
Thanks CCP.
The big complaint about the current font as I remember was that it truely was unreadable in certain resolutions, but CCP fixed that. ...or am I thinking something else?
Random 0-15km deviation on warp-ins? For the first time in 2 years I'm considering cancelling accounts. |
Ti anna
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ti anna on 15/11/2005 18:18:59
Ok, here is a no-nonsense FACT that is really messed up. I do not nor have I ever used instas for gate travel. With the changes currently on the test server while using autopilot for a multi jump path, I ALWAYS land from 15-30K from the gate (usually 20+). This is using a single waypoint for a multi system jump and using autopilot.
With this change, My travel will now have to be multiple waypoints from insta to insta warp to 0 to make it so I land within 15K of gate every time.
Is this how it is supposed to work? Multi system jumps using autopilot land you up to 30K from gate. If it is, this change will convert me from not using instas ever to using them always.
P.S. I also had my default warp in range set to 0(just in case), it did not affect these jumps, still 15-30K from gate on autopilot warps.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:29:00 -
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"People complained about the current font when it was introduced, and now it's time to complain about the new font."
People complained about different font than the current, iirc. And the amount of complaints was so high the original monstrosity was changed to what we have currently.
I don't really care if you can read this new font easily. I can't, and this is one of *few* computer fonts i've seen over the course of dozen years or so, that's gave me this kind of trouble. There's literally hundreds other fonts of the same size and smaller, which i can read perfectly well. Which leads me to believe the problem is with the font itself, not my eyesight nor my display hardware thankyouverymuch.
And really, if you have no problem with reading it... why do you care about this issue at all? Your ability to figure out this new writing without headache doesn't make slightest difference for these who cannot. So stating "_i_ can read it fine" is rather pointless...
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Stars End
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Stars End on 15/11/2005 18:42:00
With all the comments on the font, I must ask...
Why change it at all? Is this some new lag reducing font? Does it add to the depth of the game? Does it require a module or skill to read effectively?
So why was it changed at all? To take focus away from the other changes?
Hmmm...
PS: Another issue is the time taken to find and switch to a new font. I think this time could be better spent, even if it is just an hour of employee time.
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Filine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:42:00 -
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what are instas? new here so dunno whats being altered lol.
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Ti anna
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Filine
what are instas? new here so dunno whats being altered lol.
Bookmarks that when you warp to them land you right on top of where you want to go. Insta is short for instant. It is a common term used for these type of bookmarks in this game.
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Sam Comco
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Stars End
Edited by: Stars End on 15/11/2005 18:42:00
With all the comments on the font, I must ask...
Why change it at all? Is this some new lag reducing font? Does it add to the depth of the game? Does it require a module or skill to read effectively?
So why was it changed at all? To take focus away from the other changes?
Hmmm...
PS: Another issue is the time taken to find and switch to a new font. I think this time could be better spent, even if it is just an hour of employee time.
I think it has something to do with this, as shown in the 'in developement' section of the website:
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Universalization
End-to-end Unicode and Translation Suite. Enables translation of the client and server into any language, hopefully ending in an open community translation suite enabling players to translate the client into their native language.
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Yzman Shhan
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Posted - 2005.11.15 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Yzman Shhan on 15/11/2005 19:26:28
Well I finally got in, and I must say I'm having problems with the new warp system. It seems to leave me at 22-23km from the gate with the 15km warp as well as the 0km warp. Did CCP remove it in the patch today?
Edit: Out of about 25 warps 3 landed me withing 7km, the rest at that 22-23km spot from the gate 
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.15 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Yzman Shhan
Edit: Out of about 25 warps 3 landed me withing 7km, the rest at that 22-23km spot from the gate
Since they haven't annouced it, one could assume they are playing with the deviation. Espically on day one instas still worked.
Also, what size ship are you using? I find the bigger ones tend to get closer while the smaller further, but of course they also fly faster.
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
And really, if you have no problem with reading it... why do you care about this issue at all?
I care because I like the new font better then the old font, and donÆt want something uglier as a result of some seemingly frivolous complaints.
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Your ability to figure out this new writing without headache doesn't make slightest difference for these who cannot. So stating "_i_ can read it fine" is rather pointless...
The statement was qualified by referring to my less then perfect eyesight and pointed out that those who can not "figure out this new writing without headache" may have problems of a technical nature.
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Marie Trudeau
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Posted - 2005.11.15 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Yzman Shhan
Edited by: Yzman Shhan on 15/11/2005 19:26:28
Well I finally got in, and I must say I'm having problems with the new warp system. It seems to leave me at 22-23km from the gate with the 15km warp as well as the 0km warp. Did CCP remove it in the patch today?
Edit: Out of about 25 warps 3 landed me withing 7km, the rest at that 22-23km spot from the gate
Same results here. My instas, when used at warp to 10k, still work more or less, but either AP or manual warp to 0km is anywhere from 12-27km from the gate. Something needs tweaking.
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Yzman Shhan
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Posted - 2005.11.15 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Yzman Shhan
Edit: Out of about 25 warps 3 landed me withing 7km, the rest at that 22-23km spot from the gate
Since they haven't annouced it, one could assume they are playing with the deviation. Espically on day one instas still worked.
Also, what size ship are you using? I find the bigger ones tend to get closer while the smaller further, but of course they also fly faster.
I think it's just tweaks done in the latest patch.. The ship size didn't matter at all. My old instas worked fine though, left me a bit behind the gate but nothing that couldn't be handled by changing the warp to distance.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 21:00:00 -
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"I care because I like the new font better then the old font, and donÆt want something uglier as a result of some seemingly frivolous complaints."
How's "the font is unreadable" a "frivolous complaint", when being readable is the basic function said font is supposed to provide?
This is not issue of "i like it" or "it's not pretty enough". It's a matter of "i can't read easily what the text is supposed to say due to shape of letters, which wind up uncomfortably similar to one another"... a completely diffrent thing.
If anything "i like how it looks" is a frivolous reason to keep a font in, because it's purely aesthetical preference. It's not as important as making the information the game is trying to convey actually accessible to the players... --;;
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Razin on 15/11/2005 22:06:46
Originally by: j0sephine
How's "the font is unreadable" a "frivolous complaint",
It could be if the claim of ôunreadabilityö is unsubstantiated. An individualÆs reaction to the fontÆs aesthetics could have a significant impact to itÆs readability for that individual. It could be very subjective (and complex).
P.S. Thanks for the clarifications on the basic functions of a font and the in-game text.
P.P.S. ôI like how it looksö and I find it perfectly legible.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 22:14:00 -
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"It could be if the claim of ôunreadabilityö is unsubstantiated. An individualÆs reaction to the fontÆs aesthetics could have a significant impact to itÆs readability for that individual. It could be very subjective (and complex)."
If subjective reaction to font aesthetics causes the individual to have trouble with reading it, then it still boils down to part of player base having trouble with reading the font, due to its shape. As such, the claim the font is unreadable is anything but "unsubstantiated".
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Brechan Skene
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Posted - 2005.11.15 22:29:00 -
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To whom it concerns,
With this patch are their supposed to be new stuff , as in equipment and ships, in this patch When will they be put on the test server
Thankyou
Brechan Skene
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
As such, the claim the font is unreadable is anything but "unsubstantiated".
The claims in question could be viewed as unsubstantiated for the reason that almost none of the complainers, prior to my original comment about ôquality opticsö, had given any explanations for why the font was unacceptable beyond a purely subjective ôitÆs badö type of a statement.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:01:00 -
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"The claims in question could be viewed as unsubstantiated for the reason that almost none of the complainers, prior to my original comment about ôquality opticsö, had given any explanations for why the font was unacceptable beyond a purely subjective ôitÆs badö type of a statement."
Which was ~2 pages ago, and the reasons were provided since then... so there's hardly a point in clinging to the lack of substance card now..?
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:12:00 -
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ship size the larger and more exposed speed wise the closer on average they should land at the gate i had a thread going last night with that idea so frieghters wouldnt end up totally borked by a lag reducing insta nerf. Lets hope its considered
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SPIONKOP
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: SPIONKOP on 15/11/2005 23:39:24
I found a few bugs and have reported them.
Is there a known issues topic/thread somewhere for the current test build. Don't want to report known bugs.
Thanks
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.11.16 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 15/11/2005 22:06:46
Originally by: j0sephine
How's "the font is unreadable" a "frivolous complaint",
It could be if the claim of ôunreadabilityö is unsubstantiated. An individualÆs reaction to the fontÆs aesthetics could have a significant impact to itÆs readability for that individual. It could be very subjective (and complex).
P.S. Thanks for the clarifications on the basic functions of a font and the in-game text.
P.P.S. ôI like how it looksö and I find it perfectly legible.
Well, there was the part when I was about to file a bug report about drones being able to be used over 90km when I realized that 8 and 9 (oh, and &) look almost exactly identical on the test server...
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.16 02:38:00 -
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well the & symbol looks like a 6 i was about to say skills 6 accessories. ?? realised it was and the font was the confusing part
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Ti anna
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Posted - 2005.11.16 05:39:00 -
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Ok, next topic. Are Heavy drones, with a total size of 25M3 supposed to have a signature radius that is roughly 3 TIMES the size of the average frigate?
Less drones, easier to kill, by a long shot, even with more shield/armor.
I mean, come on, they are just shy of the sig radius of CRUISERS!
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.16 06:20:00 -
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dont forget they give out cruiser sized damage now (the new and improved ones) and hence they are easier to hit. Its overall looking a bit weaker unless u have the special drones or t2 heavy combats but heh if it reduces lag so be it - same as insta nerf. If a few more low sec pilots loose their ships going solo so be it
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Ti anna
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Posted - 2005.11.16 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo
dont forget they give out cruiser sized damage now (the new and improved ones) and hence they are easier to hit. Its overall looking a bit weaker unless u have the special drones or t2 heavy combats but heh if it reduces lag so be it - same as insta nerf. If a few more low sec pilots loose their ships going solo so be it
Ummm, only the Moros drones do anything near cruiser level damage. I am talking normal Heavy drones that do less than frig damage, a lot less.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.16 09:03:00 -
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leave em as they are then they need to be easy to hit with only 5 deployable they need this extra nerf boost to make them have a case of Totally f***ing useless syndrome
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.11.16 09:16:00 -
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Didn't they plan to add feature that you could manually select font by replacing a .ttf or similar file in the /EVE/something directory? Seems like a good time to do it.
I can read the new font, but I find my attention fixed slightly above the text for some reason, meaning I tend to miss out on some of the meaning. A reason for this is that the text is a bit cramped. On a passing look it looks like some sort of line instead of actual text, and that is bad.
Last but not least, complaints that players have serious problems reading the text should be taken very seriously and workarounds or fixes must be of top priority. That some (few/several/many) can read the text is a moot point entirely - good for them, but they don't have a problem.
Metaphore: That most people in an area have electricity after a storm doesn't mean you shouldn't fix the problem that some people doesn't have electricity.
Random 0-15km deviation on warp-ins? For the first time in 2 years I'm considering cancelling accounts. |
Theron Gyrow
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Posted - 2005.11.16 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Theron Gyrow on 16/11/2005 11:28:46
Originally by: Ti anna
Ok, next topic. Are Heavy drones, with a total size of 25M3 supposed to have a signature radius that is roughly 3 TIMES the size of the average frigate?
Less drones, easier to kill, by a long shot, even with more shield/armor.
I mean, come on, they are just shy of the sig radius of CRUISERS!
From time immemorial (ok, at least a year), the sig radius of drones has been:
lights 25
mediums 50
heavies 100
This sounds pretty much like what you are saying, so I don't think anything has changed. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will point it out. 
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