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kieron
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:21:00 -
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The Red Moon Rising code has been deployed for player testing. Tranquility will be mirrored to Singularity over the coming days. The Red Moon Rising features page will be available within the next few days. Keep an eye on this thread for further information.
New skills, modules, items and blueprints will be seeded to the market over the coming days.
For those that wish to test and preview the new content and features offered in Red Moon Rising, set-up instructions for test clients can be found on the Test Patches web page.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Hippey
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:22:00 -
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OMG FIERST!! I WINNEN!
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:25:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: kieron
Tranquility will be mirrored to Singularity over the coming days.
OH MY GOD THANK YOU SO MUCH!  I LOVE YOU ALL!
Originally by: Avon
I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:28:00 -
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Grrr...
My account is cancelled, but is paid up until early December.
If TQ was mirrored to SiSi now, would I be able to test or not?
I'm guessing that the account would only be flagged as cancelled and so I would not have access to sisi after a mirror.
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Dr Slaughter
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Grrr...
My account is cancelled, but is paid up until early December.
If TQ was mirrored to SiSi now, would I be able to test or not?
I'm guessing that the account would only be flagged as cancelled and so I would not have access to sisi after a mirror.
/me downloads the patch
Avon, too late for a U turn?
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:42:00 -
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random ~5km warp torwards the gates and stations in my Raven
it owns
NO INSTAS ANYMORE GOD BLESS CCP
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Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel!
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Bagdh Dearg
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:47:00 -
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Woo 6th(Sorry but Ive never done one of those Counts before ;))
Well should be good. Off to test!
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:49:00 -
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\o/. New mirror soon!
Now... put carrier stas on the market! ... pretty please?
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ZoRzEr
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:52:00 -
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Wootage thanks CCP!
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Grrr...
My account is cancelled, but is paid up until early December.
If TQ was mirrored to SiSi now, would I be able to test or not?
I'm guessing that the account would only be flagged as cancelled and so I would not have access to sisi after a mirror.
You'd be able to test 'till your sub runs out, afaik :)
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:01:00 -
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First!
Damn 
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard
First!
Damn
LOL. Soooo not!
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:06:00 -
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any chance of some skill lovin so we can play with new toys?
Please resize your signature image, I know it's the best sig ever but rules are rules- Eris
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Menelak Faf
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear
any chance of some skill lovin so we can play with new toys?
Please? With sugar and strippers and beer on top?
SoonÖ is relative. |
turnschuh
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:16:00 -
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can someone post screenshots of the new UI please
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: JoCool
random ~5km warp torwards the gates and stations in my Raven
it owns
NO INSTAS ANYMORE GOD BLESS CCP
Tell me more, how does it work, and is there some sort of official CCP documentation somewhere?
I wish there were more fun skills with Memory as primary. Poor Intaki combat people with low perception... |
Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:19:00 -
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Yeah can we please get accelerated skill training back on sis again so people can test stuff better? I haven't see this since Shiva was in testing. Implants just don't cut it because it still takes several weeks to get to fly something that needs advanced skills and I feel this hinders the progress of testing feedback from players. How are we supposed to test the fact that lvl 5 skill bonuses for some ships are working right if lvl 5 takes 20 days to train still?
Before we used to set a skill going, relog and it was set at 5 mins to finish. Can we get this back please?
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Grrr...
My account is cancelled, but is paid up until early December.
If TQ was mirrored to SiSi now, would I be able to test or not?
I'm guessing that the account would only be flagged as cancelled and so I would not have access to sisi after a mirror.
Can I have your stuff (tm)
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Suze'Rain
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Suze''Rain on 14/11/2005 19:28:32
Instas certanly seemed to work when I tested 'em.
further testing, there's a lot of variation - my first few jumps were lucky.
however. warp to 0km.
oh, thankyou, CCP. I may finally remain sane on those 36 jump round trips....
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Katchoo
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:28:00 -
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The new "Advanced camera menu" is great !
Can we get a key binding to activate/deactivate the "set as interest"? it's confusing when your camera tries to keep looking at something that's warped away... still, a good way to track people 
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Minsc
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:31:00 -
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They should just put a special implant on the test server. Like plus 1000% skill training bonus or something. That would be easy enough to do and wouldn't require any special coding to do.
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:33:00 -
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Excuse me... but when I go to the Test Patches page, I get all the old patch versions...
I have cleared my cache, to no avail... ?
-G
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:40:00 -
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Your cache has nothing to do with it. You have to manually patc a second client. (Make sure you copy the EVE folder somewhere else and rename it so you know which is which.)
Then download the patches here.
http://www.eve-online.com/patches/testpatches.asp
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Tsavong Lah
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:41:00 -
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Loving some of it already, particularly the character sheet. Nasty font tho  |
Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:42:00 -
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You misunderstand. I cannot see the latest patches on the website.
I get a list of about 15 patches, the latest of which is 2.09.3726-2.09.3727
Understand my issue now? :)
-G
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Tommy Twoguns
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear
any chance of some skill lovin so we can play with new toys?
What new Toys are there?
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: HUGO DRAX on 14/11/2005 19:45:22
hey that T2 barge looks like a deimos and the same armor/resist stats
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Brannor McThife
You misunderstand. I cannot see the latest patches on the website.
I get a list of about 15 patches, the latest of which is 2.09.3726-2.09.3727
Understand my issue now? :)
-G
No, I understood perfectly. Did you follow the link? It gives you two test patches on the eve website.
When you click the menu to go to the patch menu, another list of options appears below it once you are there. One is called 'Test patches'. Click it. (The link I posted goes there for your convenience.)
But here it is again because I am a nice guy.
http://www.eve-online.com/patches/testpatches.asp
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Xrak
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Posted - 2005.11.14 20:01:00 -
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Please tell me that isnt the proper font!
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2005.11.14 20:06:00 -
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Gah! Why does everyone assume I'm dumb? Here is what I see:
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Exodus Test Patches (Test Server - Singularity)
2.08.3582-2.09.3708 - [1.28 MB]
2.09.3708-2.09.3709 - [0.28 MB]
2.09.3709-2.09.3710 - [0.40 MB]
2.09.3710-2.09.3711 - [0.28 MB]
2.09.3711-2.09.3712 - [0.30 MB]
2.09.3712-2.09.3713 - [0.27 MB]
2.09.3713-2.09.3714 - [0.62 MB]
2.09.3714-2.09.3715 - [0.38 MB]
2.09.3715-2.09.3716 - [0.28 MB]
2.08.3582-2.09.3716
2.09.3716-2.09.3717 - [0.28 MB]
2.09.3717-2.09.3718 - [0.29 MB]
2.09.3718-2.09.3719 - [0.28 MB]
2.09.3719-2.09.3720
2.08.3582-2.09.3720
2.09.3720-2.09.3721 - [6.87 MB]
2.09.3721-2.09.3722 - [0.78 MB]
2.09.3722-2.09.3723 - [0.28 MB]
2.09.3723-2.09.3724 - [0.85 MB]
2.09.3724-2.09.3725 - [0.39 MB]
2.09.3725-2.09.3726 - [0.28 MB]
2.09.3726-2.09.3727 - [2.82 MB]
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Happy?
I KNOW what I am SUPPOSED to see, my corp mates have been telling me. But I see the above... NOT what everyone else does... ?!
-G
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Xssassin
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Posted - 2005.11.14 20:08:00 -
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Server says I need patch 3737 but I can only download 3736? What's going on?
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Garik Daemon
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Posted - 2005.11.14 20:14:00 -
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Here are the direct links for patches from 3582 to 3737
3582 -> 3736
3736 -> 3737
Also the obligatory warning for Singularity
Do not install test patches over your main EVE setup, maintain a second copy of EVE(just copy the EVE folder to another location) and use that version to connect to the test server.
Have fun.
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2005.11.14 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Garik Daemon
Here are the direct links for patches from 3582 to 3737
3582 -> 3736
3736 -> 3737
Also the obligatory warning for Singularity
Do not install test patches over your main EVE setup, maintain a second copy of EVE(just copy the EVE folder to another location) and use that version to connect to the test server.
Have fun.
Finally, someone that could help.
-G
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.11.14 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 14/11/2005 20:27:51
is there any scheduled fleet battle so we can test out the optimizations to determine whether to renew our subs the next month?
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Nila Torres
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Posted - 2005.11.14 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Nila Torres on 14/11/2005 20:42:22
what are the stats on the t2 barges like? I hope Jide updates the sisi object explorer soon...I cant get ingame for a while.
sisi obex: http://evegames.hostingbig.com/eve/data/indexSissi.html
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Yzman Shhan
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Posted - 2005.11.14 20:59:00 -
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Doh, I'm stuck  After character selection screen I just see the entering station window forever.. Clicking esc just messes up the graphics. Tried clearing cache etc normal but to no avail
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turnschuh
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Posted - 2005.11.14 21:08:00 -
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post screenshots allready please :(
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PKlavins
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Posted - 2005.11.14 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: PKlavins on 14/11/2005 21:13:36
Edited by: PKlavins on 14/11/2005 21:12:44
ive just today copied the whole folder thingy and applied the patches to the new client. i try to log in using my exact same login name and password and i cant. error message: 'Incorrect login name or password' also my versions match the sisi version pefectly...no error there
help plz! i want to see RMR 
oh and....just incase i dont make it on....post screenies plz
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.14 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Grrr...
My account is cancelled, but is paid up until early December.
If TQ was mirrored to SiSi now, would I be able to test or not?
I'm guessing that the account would only be flagged as cancelled and so I would not have access to sisi after a mirror.
Enough with the quitting posts, Avon.
We all know that you're going to stay.
If you weren't at least considering hanging around, why the interest in RMR?
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Emily Spankratchet
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Posted - 2005.11.14 21:16:00 -
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Huzzah! A new mirror, I've been waiting patiently for ages.
On another note, why does every font change that CCP introduces make me want to gouge my eyes out?
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.11.14 21:27:00 -
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Mine says my account is cancelled due to credit card rejection or whatever as of oct 10, but on tq i'm fine. 
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Atandros
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Posted - 2005.11.14 21:28:00 -
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Wonderful, wonderful new camera stuff! \o/
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.14 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: JoCool
random ~5km warp torwards the gates and stations in my Raven
it owns
NO INSTAS ANYMORE GOD BLESS CCP
As in instas can be off 5kms now or you warp in at 5kms without instas?
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Jai Alia
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Posted - 2005.11.14 21:33:00 -
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My Copy client says I'm patched to 3536 and theres a patch that starts from 3538. Anyone know where I can get the missing 3537 patch ?
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Xrak
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Posted - 2005.11.14 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Atandros
Wonderful, wonderful new camera stuff! \o/
I ticked the box, but no fireworks going off. Whats it ment to do?
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.11.14 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: Atandros
Wonderful, wonderful new camera stuff! \o/
I ticked the box, but no fireworks going off. Whats it ment to do?
Right click on something and see the new camera options menu. Set one as a parent, and one as an interest. (Like two police ships orbiting a gate) and watch the camera follow them. Same options that Zond3 used in EVE Never Fades video.
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Franky B
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Posted - 2005.11.14 21:56:00 -
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OMG! im at work!!! DAMNIT I WANT TO SEE THE NEW CAMERA SHMICKNESS!
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.14 22:02:00 -
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cant log in log in screen comes up and freezes at 100% loaded
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Hippey
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Posted - 2005.11.14 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Hippey on 14/11/2005 22:10:42
okay few issues here
1) Why was my OMG FIERST! post deleted? I never had a first so far, and now I've been robbed. CCP you took 13 seconds of my retardness and I want it back!
2) PLEASE PLEASE add ability to add/remove options that show up in right click menu on objects and the order they show up at. The list is getting very long now when you right click on things and some things I never even use (Keep at range for example)
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2005.11.14 22:17:00 -
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0km warp in range is absolutely fabulous!
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Zeezar
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Posted - 2005.11.14 22:55:00 -
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LIKE LIKE LIKE
Manufac - searching for current job status incl research fropm space
Map - ohhh man don't get me started.
weapons - reload all (GOD SEND)
warping - to gates +/- 5k(?) range nice indeedy
Char screen overhaul...nice redesign. Everything in a neat little place now 
TY CCP
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Tribal Overture
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Posted - 2005.11.14 22:57:00 -
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I would really like some clarification on how the warp at 0m changes work, and what is planned as far as a skill to improve your chances of having a closer warp.
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TheMoog
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Posted - 2005.11.14 23:52:00 -
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I just logged in on the test server to see the new changes, but before I was able to see anything, my eyes were hurt like never before. 
PLEASE CPP, roll back the font, it's unbearable. 
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.14 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tribal Overture
I would really like some clarification on how the warp at 0m changes work, and what is planned as far as a skill to improve your chances of having a closer warp.
I hope they don't introduce the skill because it would just be a stupid timesink for something that works pretty damn well. I tried the 0ms warp in several times and I usually landed within jump range or very close and nothing a MWD/AB couldn't fix.
In my opnion it keeps stupid travel times down, espically since it works with autopilot, but stops the dependance of people just running past us 's using instas. Sure you could risk it, but if you get that dreaded 7km-15kms out I could be feasting on you.
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ThunderGodThor
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Posted - 2005.11.15 00:36:00 -
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So can u only lock now from overview?? So no more left click options?
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Bagdh Dearg
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Posted - 2005.11.15 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: ThunderGodThor
So can u only lock now from overview?? So no more left click options?
Apparently, I miss it already
It was annoying on certain occasions when at a Sun or something but it was a very handy little tool, Any Chance of getting it back?
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Hukka
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Posted - 2005.11.15 00:45:00 -
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I am probably only one who dont like stacking nerf. Saying it would effect ganking because gank setup will be nerfed is just wrong. 10 BS focusing fire will insta kill no matter if there is 4 or 8 damage mods in ships and the nerf will also effect some solo setups too.
I bet there will be lot more 4 damage mods and rest wcs after that nerf... 
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PKlavins
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Posted - 2005.11.15 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zeezar
Map - ohhh man don't get me started.
wat changes? same for me
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.15 00:51:00 -
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mmmm the warp in changes will make it much more random and kill instas (some wotn like it esp if u are trying to outrun a pirate camp and coem in at 15km anyway) though pirates will get a boost and not a total nerf because the odd player is going to get the shaft in terms of the randomness and get right in the middile of a gate camp.
The 0m option also works for stations - i think before we had a 3km as it stands now randomness in insta jumps - so this is a bit more to the left but i guess it also is a pretty good middle ground - making use of youre own corp and hiring of scouts to scout ahead for pirate camps is a good thing - the offset are the new stealth modules which reduce youre sig radius making it harder for others to lock u (this works well iwth the new warp in changes even if u are far out and have 3 stealth modules stacked its going to take longer to lock u up. These changes are for testing so can be altered in future if its to oen sided in any one regard
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Psychor
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Posted - 2005.11.15 01:48:00 -
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I have heard the "reload all" option has been in Singularity for awhile. I can only hope it makes it to Tranquility.
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Ti anna
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Posted - 2005.11.15 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Ti anna on 15/11/2005 01:54:14
Edited by: Ti anna on 15/11/2005 01:52:21
Edited by: Ti anna on 15/11/2005 01:51:47
Unfortunately, I think this change will make people use a completely new set of instas. Now they will make it so that your would normally at 0M end up 3K beyond the gate so that there would be a maximum chance of an instant jump. and this way even with you ending up 15K, short of your target you will only be 12 away, not 15.
Warpin-----------------gate----------target
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12Km ---------2.5K---------------2.5K
Notice the instant jump range is now more than a third of all possible ranges. Any Misjump will be a lot closer to the gate.
Verdict - this will not stop people using instas, it will just make them make whole new sets of them.
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Sarleena
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Posted - 2005.11.15 01:58:00 -
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Is the stealth bomber -100% to sensor recalibration time when decloaking being added to this patch as well? That thread has been up on the Ships and Modules board for a while now, is it being implemented in RMR?
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Auraurious
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Posted - 2005.11.15 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Auraurious on 15/11/2005 03:14:08
Even with teh change to instas, I've noticed mine still work 90% of the time, taking into account what Ti anna said, I am curious; Will ccp actually remove instas, or leave them as is on the patch. I still think a 90% chance to make it through a gate is too high.
Edit: I used like 10 instas 1 of which was off by around 6.5 km. These are by no means exact stats.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.11.15 03:12:00 -
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I'll keep using instas if they are still hitting 90% of the time.
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Ti anna
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Posted - 2005.11.15 03:18:00 -
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The point is, even if they are made completely random within 15K, using an insta to slightly go past the gates will still make it so you hit the gate a lot closer on average with most being insta jumps.
This method will not cause the elimination of instas unless they remove bookmarks completely, and I think that would be a grave mistake.
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Factor Benz
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Posted - 2005.11.15 03:34:00 -
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So far, what's cool:
new character sheet interface
new NPC spawns 
warp to within 0m (when it works as stated ;p)
criminal countdown timer
the new manufacturing interface
What sucks:
the new font - it's just not as legible as our current selection
warp to within 0m (when I end up 12km from my destination)
I may need to work my sec status up a bit faster so I can run back to high sec empire when my instas no longer work. Gate campers = win
Originally by: Oveur
Jesus Christ. The Freighter ate the Stargate god and the Dreadnought didn't!
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Expert Newbie
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Posted - 2005.11.15 04:48:00 -
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I got criminally flagged when a NPC rat attacked my ship. I didn't fire back (seeing as how I didn't have weapons). Is this working as intended or a bug? If it is working as intended, who or what do I get criminally flagged against?
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Stars End
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Posted - 2005.11.15 04:48:00 -
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During my testing of of the 0m warp in, it veried anywhere from 5 to 17km. The same can be said for the instas I tested. Is this how it is planned? If so, I fail to see how this will help the "Exodus" to lo-sec space. Quite the contrary from what I can see. The gatecampers will have a field day.
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Marcus Starr
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Posted - 2005.11.15 05:18:00 -
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The new font could use more tracking and weight. Also a change in the contrast between the color of the font and background on drop down lists for things like skills and bookmarks would be an improvement. Right now it seems the contrast needs to be softer between the white font and grey background. |
Scrammer
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Posted - 2005.11.15 05:45:00 -
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Please, for the love of my underpants....
Change the font!
Everything else is nifty though, including Character sheet =)
That gets 2 "nifty" stars; one for the sheet, and one so I can see where I'm walking in the dark.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.11.15 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hukka
I am probably only one who dont like stacking nerf. Saying it would effect ganking because gank setup will be nerfed is just wrong. 10 BS focusing fire will insta kill no matter if there is 4 or 8 damage mods in ships and the nerf will also effect some solo setups too.
I bet there will be lot more 4 damage mods and rest wcs after that nerf...
If they increase hp 10 bs might not insta kill another bs it might take a few seconds.
Second 10 bs will kill you fast but 3 bs wont instakill anyomre wich is the point.
I say finally:).If they increase the overall hp the battles might get longer.
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 09:31:00 -
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Someone post piccys!!!
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 09:52:00 -
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come on damnit!! GIVE US PICTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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AgiTra
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Posted - 2005.11.15 09:53:00 -
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Any new complexes and hidden complexes out there ? Any new Cosmos constelations ?
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: AgiTra
Any new complexes and hidden complexes out there ? Any new Cosmos constelations ?
Who cares!!
PICS PLEASE!!! /me begs
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 10:02:00 -
[76]
Originally by: AgiTra
Any new complexes and hidden complexes out there ? Any new Cosmos constelations ?
Who cares!!
PICS PLEASE!!! /me begs
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.11.15 10:17:00 -
[77]
Does this warp-in change have a completely random variance?
eg, 5km in 'any' direction? or just along the warp vector?
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 10:18:00 -
[78]
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Does this warp-in change have a completely random variance?
eg, 5km in 'any' direction? or just along the warp vector?
WE DONT CARE DAMNIT!!
GIVE US DAMN PICTURES!!!!
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.11.15 10:35:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Aquiesse Erus
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Does this warp-in change have a completely random variance?
eg, 5km in 'any' direction? or just along the warp vector?
WE DONT CARE DAMNIT!!
GIVE US DAMN PICTURES!!!!
If you want pics that desperately, login to SiSi.
Unfortunately I am at work, so I can't login, hence ym simple queastion, and not 5 posts demanding pics.
Child.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2005.11.15 10:36:00 -
[80]
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Does this warp-in change have a completely random variance?
eg, 5km in 'any' direction? or just along the warp vector?
It pretty much works like the 2.5km random modifer on TQ, with the difference being that the the modifier is now 15km.
This applies to any distance, which means that a warp to 100km can drop you at a distance of 85 to 115km.
I think this implementation is nowhere near final. It is probably a work in progress that simply had to go to SiSi for testing. I can not imagine that the way warping currently works on SiSi is anywhere near what the devs intended. So in my opinion there's no need for panicking and no purpose in starting any balancing discussion based on this.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.15 10:55:00 -
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its on TQ for testing im more interested in the new rats and their super abilitieis having a covret ops NPC decloak right next to me could be interesting mmmmm
Jump clones can theif marking - everything aimed at lag minimization
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 10:57:00 -
[82]
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Aquiesse Erus
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Does this warp-in change have a completely random variance?
eg, 5km in 'any' direction? or just along the warp vector?
WE DONT CARE DAMNIT!!
GIVE US DAMN PICTURES!!!!
If you want pics that desperately, login to SiSi.
Unfortunately I am at work, so I can't login, hence ym simple queastion, and not 5 posts demanding pics.
Child.
I am in work too...
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:39:00 -
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what is the new stacking formula ? these stickied threads are about as informative a UK train timetable ....
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:45:00 -
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Please keep the feedback constructive on this thread, if I see someone demand pictures one more time you get yourself a nifty spam warning.
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:53:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Eris Discordia
Please keep the feedback constructive on this thread, if I see someone demand pictures one more time you get yourself a nifty spam warning.
Sorry Eris, i love you.
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:54:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Tas Devil
what is the new stacking formula ? these stickied threads are about as informative a UK train timetable ....
It says: Anything upto 4 modules will be effective, fitting a 5th will be pointless.
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Truls Titan
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:54:00 -
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Be nice if I could even get on test saver.
Copy eve and put in new patch.
I get
Status: ok. 88 players
Version 2.09.3737
Nice so I log in my pass and as it logging in Authenticating
one of 2 thngs happen. 1/ I sit there waiting ti get on game as the logging takes for every
2/ unable to connect to port what ever
I might get back on test save one day
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:56:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Truls Titan
Be nice if I could even get on test saver.
Copy eve and put in new patch.
I get
Status: ok. 88 players
Version 2.09.3737
Nice so I log in my pass and as it logging in Authenticating
one of 2 thngs happen. 1/ I sit there waiting ti get on game as the logging takes for every
2/ unable to connect to port what ever
I might get back on test save one day
Delete your cache.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:58:00 -
[89]
well as it stands the SISI build at the moment is very buggy (will be worked on quite rapidly im guessing) otherwise this thread is about the stacking changes (why CCP didnt start a general RMR thread including instas and new NPC changes etc is beyond me but ah well) so is anyone testing the stacking changes ? to reduce lag by encouraging players to have more specific setups instead of having 1 of each little thing ?
Seems the lag busting business is moving ahead much quicker than i thought with other featuers possibly making the cutting room floor for a janurary or feb or kali patch. Interesting tiems ahead 0 the main issue is larger slower ships more exposed by random warp in at 0km - what id like to see is those ships with larger sig radius and slower base speeds have a reduced margin of out extreme ie maxiumum of 5km from gate isntead of say 15km for frigs and 12km for cruisers (this will still make these large ships useful in 0.0 and low sec and wont mean frieghter trips to 0.0 taking 12 hours isntead of 3 hours as they do now
Either that or give us mini freighers with 40,000 m3 - 75000 m3 but still maintain reasoble speeds.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:00:00 -
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just a thought stacking overdrives will now give a higher speed bonus add a afterburner or microwave drive to that and things could actually give a bigger speed boost for industrials (hope that is left in due to the insta nerf) how about overdrives that give a speed boost to frieghers if the insta changes arent tied in with sig radius the bigger the sig radius the closer the 0km to gate feature will work
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:02:00 -
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I just read am outstanding idea by Russo in a differant thread.
Why not make:-
Warp to 2.5k
Warp to 5k
Warp to 10k
The warp to at 2.5k means you need to activate warp and then a 20s timer counts down before you warp. RP Point being that it takes time to calculate the exit distance on a warp - Also meaning your a sitting duck for 20s.
5k - 12s
10k - 5s
Great idea tbh.
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Truls Titan
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:03:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Aquiesse Erus
Originally by: Truls Titan
Be nice if I could even get on test saver.
Copy eve and put in new patch.
I get
Status: ok. 88 players
Version 2.09.3737
Nice so I log in my pass and as it logging in Authenticating
one of 2 thngs happen. 1/ I sit there waiting ti get on game as the logging takes for every
2/ unable to connect to port what ever
I might get back on test save one day
Delete your cache.
Did that. I Been playing eve for long time now so know the ins and out of thank you.
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:04:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Truls Titan
Originally by: Aquiesse Erus
Originally by: Truls Titan
Be nice if I could even get on test saver.
Copy eve and put in new patch.
I get
Status: ok. 88 players
Version 2.09.3737
Nice so I log in my pass and as it logging in Authenticating
one of 2 thngs happen. 1/ I sit there waiting ti get on game as the logging takes for every
2/ unable to connect to port what ever
I might get back on test save one day
Delete your cache.
Did that. I Been playing eve for long time now so know the ins and out of thank you.
Then the only thing for it is to re-make the eve folder.
Ohh and iv been playing longer than you :) (not this char ofc)
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Truls Titan
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:07:00 -
[94]
I now got in to test but only to the part
character selection
Enter game as truls titan
And its just sitting there not even loading any more.
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:08:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Truls Titan
I now got in to test but only to the part
character selection
Enter game as truls titan
And its just sitting there not even loading any more.
Must be really really lagged out then i guess...
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budman905
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:09:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Truls Titan
I now got in to test but only to the part
character selection
Enter game as truls titan
And its just sitting there not even loading any more.
better than me, mine is sittin at "Authenticating" at the first log-in screen and has been sitting there for past 5mins...
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:14:00 -
[97]
SISI is really a a buggy setup but thats the idea of SISI is to test new features get bug feedback then the devs can get to work its still 4 weeks approx before RMR comes out enough time to throughly bug test the product the SISI was very buggy and after dt its taking forever to log into TQ as well. Another node crash looks likley within 24 hours.
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Truls Titan
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:19:00 -
[98]
Thank god I am not only.
CCP should have learn by now from other test, Lagging should not be abug we have to report and it should have been sorted out in other test.
This is way come patch day they put it back a few weeks as no one had time to test due to not many able to get in game
To Aquiesse Erus Sorry for being rude to you and thank you for trying to help me
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Tsavong Lah
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:22:00 -
[99]
I'm also getting a hang at "entering game". Looks like sisi's login thingy's crashed maybe? Oh well, Civ IV it is then.
BTW, I really do think it'd be a good idea to have a seperate forum for the RMR testing effort, as General's starting to get quite a lot of RMR threads... |
rig0r
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:52:00 -
[100]
Edited by: rig0r on 15/11/2005 12:52:24
If the insta changes get in RMR I figure CCP will do a
delete from bookmarks where range_from_gate <= 150km;
and also disallow making new bookmarks within that range ? Or maybe they figure people will delete them theirselves if they become 100% ineffective.
Imagine how big the bookmarks table must be by now
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:54:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Aquiesse Erus
Originally by: Tas Devil
what is the new stacking formula ? these stickied threads are about as informative a UK train timetable ....
It says: Anything upto 4 modules will be effective, fitting a 5th will be pointless.
That's hardly a formula... that's about as informative as Oveur saying 'we are aware of POS Role change requirements...and are working on it... changes will be implemented soon Ö' we're still waiting 10 months down the line...
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:57:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Tas Devil
Originally by: Aquiesse Erus
Originally by: Tas Devil
what is the new stacking formula ? these stickied threads are about as informative a UK train timetable ....
It says: Anything upto 4 modules will be effective, fitting a 5th will be pointless.
That's hardly a formula... that's about as informative as Oveur saying 'we are aware of POS Role change requirements...and are working on it... changes will be implemented soon ™' we're still waiting 10 months down the line...
Who needs a formula when that is what has been STATED!
4 modules will be effective, fitting a 5th will have no effect what so ever
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2005.11.15 13:04:00 -
[103]
some need a formula to start comparing existing setups to future one with say 2 mods that are affected by a stacking penalty...
As I recall I heard the stacking penalty wasn't as severe for 2-3 mods...equal for 4 and worst for more then 4...well I'd like to know if the formula is out there ... satisfied ?
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Pantheon Lea
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Posted - 2005.11.15 13:42:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Truls Titan
CCP should have learn by now from other test, Lagging should not be abug we have to report and it should have been sorted out in other test.
This _is_ what you call "other test", if you don't like it, fine, but remember things are not always as simple as you might first think.
Pantheon Lea
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.15 14:20:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Tas Devil
some need a formula to start comparing existing setups to future one with say 2 mods that are affected by a stacking penalty...
As I recall I heard the stacking penalty wasn't as severe for 2-3 mods...equal for 4 and worst for more then 4...well I'd like to know if the formula is out there ... satisfied ?
Next patch, more then two is pretty retarded to do. Sure, you still see some effect for 3 but it isn't worth it. 4 is just sad and after that you see nothing really.
I hope this effects dampners as well.
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2005.11.15 14:41:00 -
[106]
so basically no one has the formula and you have all demonstrated your skill at paraphrasing was is readily avaliable in the limited Dev Blog info...sorry but Formula means math...and results that can be calculated... not just 2 good, 3 ok, 4 bad variations...
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Katchoo
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Posted - 2005.11.15 14:56:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Tas Devil
so basically no one has the formula and you have all demonstrated your skill at paraphrasing was is readily avaliable in the limited Dev Blog info...sorry but Formula means math...and results that can be calculated... not just 2 good, 3 ok, 4 bad variations...
 Hey, nobody prevents you to login and do some tests.  gather some statistics and do your math.
Oh, wait, this assumes you can og into Singularity... can you ? I don't have a test installation at work
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2005.11.15 15:05:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Katchoo
Originally by: Tas Devil
so basically no one has the formula and you have all demonstrated your skill at paraphrasing was is readily avaliable in the limited Dev Blog info...sorry but Formula means math...and results that can be calculated... not just 2 good, 3 ok, 4 bad variations...
Hey, nobody prevents you to login and do some tests. gather some statistics and do your math.
Oh, wait, this assumes you can og into Singularity... can you ? I don't have a test installation at work
I would if I could... + logging onto Sisi won't give me the formula... I would think CCP could clearly state the formula it uses on Sisi...rather then us guessing it over and over by testing 25 different setups...
BTW CCP is known for being a little math retarded so them giving the formula might be a good way of confirming they got it right and no glaring mistakes are involved in the math which will have to be hotfixed 24hrs after they release the patch... (like we haven't seen that before)
PS: no offense Oveur but we all know the only math you can manage involves cigarettes and beers...
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 15:37:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Aquiesse Erus
I just read am outstanding idea by Russo in a differant thread.
Why not make:-
Warp to 2.5k
Warp to 5k
Warp to 10k
The warp to at 2.5k means you need to activate warp and then a 20s timer counts down before you warp. RP Point being that it takes time to calculate the exit distance on a warp - Also meaning your a sitting duck for 20s.
5k - 12s
10k - 5s
Great idea tbh.
I second that. Great idea!
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.11.15 15:39:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Harry Voyager on 15/11/2005 15:45:06
The 0m warp in distance is a fraud. I have yet to leand closer than 20km to *anything* I have warped to, and ussually I land 30km from my intended target.
If this is how CCP is planning on ending instas, count me out.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2005.11.15 15:46:00 -
[111]
Ok guys. I have been fooling around with instas, warp in points, etc for about 20 jumps now.
Firstly, when autopilot is enabled warp in seems to have a 5-30km randomiser. thankfully I was in a frigate, but many a time I had a 28km approach to the next gate.
When simply warping to location at 0km without the use of an insta, the randomiser seems to still be in place.
When using an insta, the warp in point seems to be almost dead on top of the gate, just like the old days.
I am currently searching the market, expecting to find modules or skills that enhance the randomiser, but have so far come up unlucky. I will continue my search and report my findings.
And Kudos to the new character sheet, it is great. And the font isnt THAT horrible
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 15:48:00 -
[112]
I logged in to Singularity last night.
The new camera views are excellent! The market didn't work at all.
The warp-in distance seems like a half-measure, and a new IJ bookmark making procedure to defeat it has already been suggested. The idea about warp delay for a closer warp-out point looks very good.
The new font is much better then current on Tranq (I'm playing @ 1280x1024). For those that think it's unreadable I suggest an investment in quality optics.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2005.11.15 16:02:00 -
[113]
Update:
No modules/skills found to improve warp randomiser. Might just not be on market yet, cant check FC corp hangar.
Found another cool addition: Blueprints bought off market now seem to show their required building skills and minerals in the info window (before you buy them) On tranq, it doesnt show their details, just a stupid blank window with the m3 amount. So i give that a thumbs up.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 16:20:00 -
[114]
"For those that think it's unreadable I suggest an investment in quality optics."
Please define "quality optics"... with the price, if possible.
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 16:31:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Razin on 15/11/2005 16:31:40
Originally by: j0sephine
"For those that think it's unreadable I suggest an investment in quality optics."
Please define "quality optics"... with the price, if possible.
Something to help you see well? Price depends on your medical insurance provider.
Seriously though, I can read it just fine and my eyesight isn't the best out there. And the font just looks cooler, more hi-tech and stylish like.
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PKlavins
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Posted - 2005.11.15 16:36:00 -
[116]
i dont get it...on the test server i see no camera changes except that the Eye is gone...and i see no map changes either. wat am i supposed to be seeing
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 16:41:00 -
[117]
Originally by: PKlavins
i dont get it...on the test server i see no camera changes except that the Eye is gone...and i see no map changes either. wat am i supposed to be seeing
Enable advanced camera controls (or some such) in the escape game settings menu. You'll see new camera options in the right-click drop-down menu.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.11.15 16:48:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 15/11/2005 16:31:40
Originally by: j0sephine
"For those that think it's unreadable I suggest an investment in quality optics."
Please define "quality optics"... with the price, if possible.
Something to help you see well? Price depends on your medical insurance provider.
Seriously though, I can read it just fine and my eyesight isn't the best out there. And the font just looks cooler, more hi-tech and stylish like.
Having already "invested" 300+ USD in this set of quality bifocular optics, the font still looks angular, blocky, and crowded.
So, how many more focal ranges do I need for the font to look as though it actually had space between the characters?
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 16:59:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Harry Voyager
Having already "invested" 300+ USD in this set of quality bifocular optics, the font still looks angular, blocky, and crowded.
So, how many more focal ranges do I need for the font to look as though it actually had space between the characters?
The font has spaces between characters on my monitor.
People complained about the current font when it was introduced, now it's time for complaining about the new font. All this proves is that you can't make everyone happy all the time, and canÆt make some people happy at all.
I guess better optics won't help after all. Sorry about any false hopes this may have raised.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2005.11.15 17:05:00 -
[120]
I think this is pretty cool TBH. A variations tab to named modules.
http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200511151652551kv.jpg
And finally, some eye candy for those wanting to see the new font/character sheet:
http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200511151700129uh.jpg
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Nerdin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 17:40:00 -
[121]
Just a quick thing about the font, I think its ok, but you know what?
Everyone complained when they switched to the one we have now but make a wild guess, we got used to it.
Same will happen with the new font so relax and enjoy all the new goodies coming in RMR.
Thanks CCP.
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RGSilverBuck1
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Posted - 2005.11.15 17:42:00 -
[122]
This is just my opinion:
The nerfing of insta bm's is going to kill those of us that play and enjoy this game as industrial characters in 0.0 and that subsequently support PvPers.
Again a game manufacturer is testing a standard that will make the game geared towards PvPers only, if this is CCP's intention then they should make that known and give those that enjoy the other modes of play in the game some chance to be refunded some money that we have all wasted playing a game in the manner which has been provided.
The game has always, since I have played, had insta bm's available if you take the tiem to make them. This was not an easy task especially in 0.0. CCP has made changes to routes for traveling and messed with those of us that rely on those paths for our income in the game.
My question to CCP is this:
1) Are you trying to stop people from being industrial players in 0.0?
2) Do you want this to be a PVP only game?
3) Are you willing to compensate those of us that have dedicated ourselves to NOT being PVPers?
I believe with the NERFING of the insta bm's will kill 0.0 mineral and high loot carrying which will hurt those players and accounts that do so. Currently having instas DOES NOT provide an advantage to those that travel 0.0 with large amouts of valuable mins or loot. Proof of thios is when warp bubble are used OR you have a good group with the proper ships to stop travellers.
CCP please respond so that those of us involved in something OTHER THAN PVP can mak esome decisions.
Also, I understand and appreciate that CCP is and always does add new features to the game but I can not see the logic in this change except to handicap those that rely on them. This will in no way EVEN out the game it will give PvPers and Gate Campers an UNFAIR advantage.
Thank You.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:12:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Nerdin
Just a quick thing about the font, I think its ok, but you know what?
Everyone complained when they switched to the one we have now but make a wild guess, we got used to it.
Same will happen with the new font so relax and enjoy all the new goodies coming in RMR.
Thanks CCP.
The big complaint about the current font as I remember was that it truely was unreadable in certain resolutions, but CCP fixed that. ...or am I thinking something else?
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Ti anna
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:16:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Ti anna on 15/11/2005 18:18:59
Ok, here is a no-nonsense FACT that is really messed up. I do not nor have I ever used instas for gate travel. With the changes currently on the test server while using autopilot for a multi jump path, I ALWAYS land from 15-30K from the gate (usually 20+). This is using a single waypoint for a multi system jump and using autopilot.
With this change, My travel will now have to be multiple waypoints from insta to insta warp to 0 to make it so I land within 15K of gate every time.
Is this how it is supposed to work? Multi system jumps using autopilot land you up to 30K from gate. If it is, this change will convert me from not using instas ever to using them always.
P.S. I also had my default warp in range set to 0(just in case), it did not affect these jumps, still 15-30K from gate on autopilot warps.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:29:00 -
[125]
"People complained about the current font when it was introduced, and now it's time to complain about the new font."
People complained about different font than the current, iirc. And the amount of complaints was so high the original monstrosity was changed to what we have currently.
I don't really care if you can read this new font easily. I can't, and this is one of *few* computer fonts i've seen over the course of dozen years or so, that's gave me this kind of trouble. There's literally hundreds other fonts of the same size and smaller, which i can read perfectly well. Which leads me to believe the problem is with the font itself, not my eyesight nor my display hardware thankyouverymuch.
And really, if you have no problem with reading it... why do you care about this issue at all? Your ability to figure out this new writing without headache doesn't make slightest difference for these who cannot. So stating "_i_ can read it fine" is rather pointless...
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Stars End
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:40:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Stars End on 15/11/2005 18:42:00
With all the comments on the font, I must ask...
Why change it at all? Is this some new lag reducing font? Does it add to the depth of the game? Does it require a module or skill to read effectively?
So why was it changed at all? To take focus away from the other changes?
Hmmm...
PS: Another issue is the time taken to find and switch to a new font. I think this time could be better spent, even if it is just an hour of employee time.
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Filine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:42:00 -
[127]
what are instas? new here so dunno whats being altered lol.
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Ti anna
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:46:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Filine
what are instas? new here so dunno whats being altered lol.
Bookmarks that when you warp to them land you right on top of where you want to go. Insta is short for instant. It is a common term used for these type of bookmarks in this game.
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Sam Comco
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:51:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Stars End
Edited by: Stars End on 15/11/2005 18:42:00
With all the comments on the font, I must ask...
Why change it at all? Is this some new lag reducing font? Does it add to the depth of the game? Does it require a module or skill to read effectively?
So why was it changed at all? To take focus away from the other changes?
Hmmm...
PS: Another issue is the time taken to find and switch to a new font. I think this time could be better spent, even if it is just an hour of employee time.
I think it has something to do with this, as shown in the 'in developement' section of the website:
Quote:
Universalization
End-to-end Unicode and Translation Suite. Enables translation of the client and server into any language, hopefully ending in an open community translation suite enabling players to translate the client into their native language.
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Yzman Shhan
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Posted - 2005.11.15 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Yzman Shhan on 15/11/2005 19:26:28
Well I finally got in, and I must say I'm having problems with the new warp system. It seems to leave me at 22-23km from the gate with the 15km warp as well as the 0km warp. Did CCP remove it in the patch today?
Edit: Out of about 25 warps 3 landed me withing 7km, the rest at that 22-23km spot from the gate
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.15 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Yzman Shhan
Edit: Out of about 25 warps 3 landed me withing 7km, the rest at that 22-23km spot from the gate
Since they haven't annouced it, one could assume they are playing with the deviation. Espically on day one instas still worked.
Also, what size ship are you using? I find the bigger ones tend to get closer while the smaller further, but of course they also fly faster.
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
And really, if you have no problem with reading it... why do you care about this issue at all?
I care because I like the new font better then the old font, and donÆt want something uglier as a result of some seemingly frivolous complaints.
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Your ability to figure out this new writing without headache doesn't make slightest difference for these who cannot. So stating "_i_ can read it fine" is rather pointless...
The statement was qualified by referring to my less then perfect eyesight and pointed out that those who can not "figure out this new writing without headache" may have problems of a technical nature.
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Marie Trudeau
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Posted - 2005.11.15 20:48:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Yzman Shhan
Edited by: Yzman Shhan on 15/11/2005 19:26:28
Well I finally got in, and I must say I'm having problems with the new warp system. It seems to leave me at 22-23km from the gate with the 15km warp as well as the 0km warp. Did CCP remove it in the patch today?
Edit: Out of about 25 warps 3 landed me withing 7km, the rest at that 22-23km spot from the gate
Same results here. My instas, when used at warp to 10k, still work more or less, but either AP or manual warp to 0km is anywhere from 12-27km from the gate. Something needs tweaking.
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Yzman Shhan
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Posted - 2005.11.15 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Yzman Shhan
Edit: Out of about 25 warps 3 landed me withing 7km, the rest at that 22-23km spot from the gate
Since they haven't annouced it, one could assume they are playing with the deviation. Espically on day one instas still worked.
Also, what size ship are you using? I find the bigger ones tend to get closer while the smaller further, but of course they also fly faster.
I think it's just tweaks done in the latest patch.. The ship size didn't matter at all. My old instas worked fine though, left me a bit behind the gate but nothing that couldn't be handled by changing the warp to distance.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 21:00:00 -
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"I care because I like the new font better then the old font, and donÆt want something uglier as a result of some seemingly frivolous complaints."
How's "the font is unreadable" a "frivolous complaint", when being readable is the basic function said font is supposed to provide?
This is not issue of "i like it" or "it's not pretty enough". It's a matter of "i can't read easily what the text is supposed to say due to shape of letters, which wind up uncomfortably similar to one another"... a completely diffrent thing.
If anything "i like how it looks" is a frivolous reason to keep a font in, because it's purely aesthetical preference. It's not as important as making the information the game is trying to convey actually accessible to the players... --;;
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Razin on 15/11/2005 22:06:46
Originally by: j0sephine
How's "the font is unreadable" a "frivolous complaint",
It could be if the claim of ôunreadabilityö is unsubstantiated. An individualÆs reaction to the fontÆs aesthetics could have a significant impact to itÆs readability for that individual. It could be very subjective (and complex).
P.S. Thanks for the clarifications on the basic functions of a font and the in-game text.
P.P.S. ôI like how it looksö and I find it perfectly legible.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 22:14:00 -
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"It could be if the claim of ôunreadabilityö is unsubstantiated. An individualÆs reaction to the fontÆs aesthetics could have a significant impact to itÆs readability for that individual. It could be very subjective (and complex)."
If subjective reaction to font aesthetics causes the individual to have trouble with reading it, then it still boils down to part of player base having trouble with reading the font, due to its shape. As such, the claim the font is unreadable is anything but "unsubstantiated".
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Brechan Skene
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Posted - 2005.11.15 22:29:00 -
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To whom it concerns,
With this patch are their supposed to be new stuff , as in equipment and ships, in this patch When will they be put on the test server
Thankyou
Brechan Skene
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
As such, the claim the font is unreadable is anything but "unsubstantiated".
The claims in question could be viewed as unsubstantiated for the reason that almost none of the complainers, prior to my original comment about ôquality opticsö, had given any explanations for why the font was unacceptable beyond a purely subjective ôitÆs badö type of a statement.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:01:00 -
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"The claims in question could be viewed as unsubstantiated for the reason that almost none of the complainers, prior to my original comment about ôquality opticsö, had given any explanations for why the font was unacceptable beyond a purely subjective ôitÆs badö type of a statement."
Which was ~2 pages ago, and the reasons were provided since then... so there's hardly a point in clinging to the lack of substance card now..?
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:12:00 -
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ship size the larger and more exposed speed wise the closer on average they should land at the gate i had a thread going last night with that idea so frieghters wouldnt end up totally borked by a lag reducing insta nerf. Lets hope its considered
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SPIONKOP
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: SPIONKOP on 15/11/2005 23:39:24
I found a few bugs and have reported them.
Is there a known issues topic/thread somewhere for the current test build. Don't want to report known bugs.
Thanks
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.11.16 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 15/11/2005 22:06:46
Originally by: j0sephine
How's "the font is unreadable" a "frivolous complaint",
It could be if the claim of ôunreadabilityö is unsubstantiated. An individualÆs reaction to the fontÆs aesthetics could have a significant impact to itÆs readability for that individual. It could be very subjective (and complex).
P.S. Thanks for the clarifications on the basic functions of a font and the in-game text.
P.P.S. ôI like how it looksö and I find it perfectly legible.
Well, there was the part when I was about to file a bug report about drones being able to be used over 90km when I realized that 8 and 9 (oh, and &) look almost exactly identical on the test server...
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.16 02:38:00 -
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well the & symbol looks like a 6 i was about to say skills 6 accessories. ?? realised it was and the font was the confusing part
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Ti anna
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Posted - 2005.11.16 05:39:00 -
[145]
Ok, next topic. Are Heavy drones, with a total size of 25M3 supposed to have a signature radius that is roughly 3 TIMES the size of the average frigate?
Less drones, easier to kill, by a long shot, even with more shield/armor.
I mean, come on, they are just shy of the sig radius of CRUISERS!
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.16 06:20:00 -
[146]
dont forget they give out cruiser sized damage now (the new and improved ones) and hence they are easier to hit. Its overall looking a bit weaker unless u have the special drones or t2 heavy combats but heh if it reduces lag so be it - same as insta nerf. If a few more low sec pilots loose their ships going solo so be it
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Ti anna
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Posted - 2005.11.16 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo
dont forget they give out cruiser sized damage now (the new and improved ones) and hence they are easier to hit. Its overall looking a bit weaker unless u have the special drones or t2 heavy combats but heh if it reduces lag so be it - same as insta nerf. If a few more low sec pilots loose their ships going solo so be it
Ummm, only the Moros drones do anything near cruiser level damage. I am talking normal Heavy drones that do less than frig damage, a lot less.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.16 09:03:00 -
[148]
leave em as they are then they need to be easy to hit with only 5 deployable they need this extra nerf boost to make them have a case of Totally f***ing useless syndrome
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.11.16 09:16:00 -
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Didn't they plan to add feature that you could manually select font by replacing a .ttf or similar file in the /EVE/something directory? Seems like a good time to do it.
I can read the new font, but I find my attention fixed slightly above the text for some reason, meaning I tend to miss out on some of the meaning. A reason for this is that the text is a bit cramped. On a passing look it looks like some sort of line instead of actual text, and that is bad.
Last but not least, complaints that players have serious problems reading the text should be taken very seriously and workarounds or fixes must be of top priority. That some (few/several/many) can read the text is a moot point entirely - good for them, but they don't have a problem.
Metaphore: That most people in an area have electricity after a storm doesn't mean you shouldn't fix the problem that some people doesn't have electricity.
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Theron Gyrow
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Posted - 2005.11.16 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Theron Gyrow on 16/11/2005 11:28:46
Originally by: Ti anna
Ok, next topic. Are Heavy drones, with a total size of 25M3 supposed to have a signature radius that is roughly 3 TIMES the size of the average frigate?
Less drones, easier to kill, by a long shot, even with more shield/armor.
I mean, come on, they are just shy of the sig radius of CRUISERS!
From time immemorial (ok, at least a year), the sig radius of drones has been:
lights 25
mediums 50
heavies 100
This sounds pretty much like what you are saying, so I don't think anything has changed. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will point it out.
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Serenity Miles
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Posted - 2005.11.16 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Serenity Miles on 16/11/2005 12:51:08
Solution to the instajumps, get rid of the bm's altogether, and make the warp in at 0km work so u arrive in jumping distance. Then if everyone remebers there are things called mobile warp disruptors and i think the T2 destroyers will also serve a similar purpose. So traveling around 1.0 - 0.5 should be fairly quick as it should be. So we let those who want to play in 0.4 - 0.1 they can possably use the Mobile Warp Disruptors just they have to be set up out side the sentry guns range or something, so they can be happy . Well in 0.0 everyone is happy with the new change .
Also the countdown timer could make it a fair solution, but 20secs is a long time if u r in an indi, well probably wont make it to 5sec hehe. Somehow i always feel that CCP make life simple for and well more interesting for the rest of us.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.16 13:39:00 -
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u keep saying that the 0km warp in should be 0km - not going to happen though 22km seems a bit strange u would think ti would be within 15km purley because the instsa allow that now and the closest warp in is arleady 15km.
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.11.16 14:36:00 -
[153]
Originally by: j0sephine
"The claims in question could be viewed as unsubstantiated for the reason that almost none of the complainers, prior to my original comment about ôquality opticsö, had given any explanations for why the font was unacceptable beyond a purely subjective ôitÆs badö type of a statement."
Which was ~2 pages ago, and the reasons were provided since then... so there's hardly a point in clinging to the lack of substance card now..?
"The lack of substance" only refers to that which was ~2 pages ago, as I've explained, and should be plainly obvious by the location of my original comment on the matter.
It seems we finally agreed on something.
As to the quality of the font, it may be a work in progress and I hope the minor (IMO) illegibility problems will be dealt with.
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Zan Tu
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Posted - 2005.11.16 16:26:00 -
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LOL im such a carebear!
It took me 3 pages of this post to realise the "stacking" changes were for fitted modules, not items in inventory!!!
I had this vision of seeing 2 bil trit in 5 stack piles in my hanger floor....
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2005.11.16 16:29:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Zan Tu
LOL im such a carebear!
It took me 3 pages of this post to realise the "stacking" changes were for fitted modules, not items in inventory!!!
I had this vision of seeing 2 bil trit in 5 stack piles in my hanger floor....
LMAO
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Hydrian Alante
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Posted - 2005.11.16 16:32:00 -
[156]
Where can I get the new 39 version?
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:07:00 -
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yes im working the test server also and been doing 30 warp jumps sets out of 30 only 14 get me into warp range of gate. most 11 to 15 km away i say it sould not drop you at gate every time but less than half the time in 0.0 means you dead 11 out of those 16 times in any choke points area. if out of 30 you are left at 11 to 13 km even 9 times would give the pirate his do and i could live with also. but other than that i like the new build very much
talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
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marioman
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:16:00 -
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So 0km warp in actually drops you 15km (give or take) wtf was the point of even adding warp to 0km since it really acts like warp to 15km lol
seems kinda like a waste of time to even bother putting in 0km if its going to work like this :\
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Auren I'del
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Posted - 2005.11.17 07:37:00 -
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For some reason people like to mess with the things that are working instead of the things that are not working. Why on earth would CCP want to change the font? I wasnt to happy with it as it was but at least I could read it! The new font is terrible! Please make the font so that I dont find myself trying to decode every word!
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2005.11.17 08:20:00 -
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I guess a lot of people haven't heard about the BM changes:
From the horses mouth...
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What you currently find on the Test Server is not going out in Red Moon Rising. It's only a test we were trying out and will be removed.
We are how ever working on a solution to replace players needing thousends of bookmarks so they can reduce travel time. For example:
Pilots could have skills and navigation computers for accurate warps, allowing closer warps up to instas if enough of both are in place
Fixing every problem with mobile warp disruptors and allowing warp in at 0m
You might or might not like these examples but neither of these have gone under any serious thought or testing. All ears are open for suggestions from player.
(\_/)
(O.o)
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2005.11.17 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 17/11/2005 08:58:06
Font is fine IMO, unless its default size remains as now. In the chat window, if I switch to large font size, it looks OK to me. However, in other game windows where the font size is not adjustable, it indeed is somewhat too small and therefore blurred.. maybe this font would be much better readable if there was some option in-between the large and normal sizes, which would be used everywhere...
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Warg Rider
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Posted - 2005.11.17 11:15:00 -
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I have now got on to test save "at last".
Can some one tell me the channels for fight club.
Also I read some where on forum that I can ask gm on help channel to be moved to SYSTEM pf-346 to save me jumping all that way ?.
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Truls Titan
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Posted - 2005.11.17 11:45:00 -
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Would you adam and eve it. I have to wait 24hrs to join flight club and for my rolls in corp to clear 1st. You would have thought on test saver they would wave that. lol
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RobW1
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Posted - 2005.11.17 17:23:00 -
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Why has the test server gone back to the "live" TQ buid?
I've just installed a new copy of the client, and patched it, and I'm no incompatible with both Tranquility and Singularity...
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2005.11.17 18:02:00 -
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What would be really good is if the mirror included automatically changing everyones corp to fight club and granting hanger access. Maybe also moving everyone closer to fight club :)
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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