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Hey Baby Cakes LOOK MA I MADE A CORP 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 20:48:00 - [1] - Quote Having flown all 4 racial variants of the logistics ships I was kinda surprised to find one of them particularly disadvantaged in terms of fleet combat usability. The Oneiros... Low power grid & Low buffer issues: All other logistics can fit at least 4 LARGE logistics high slot modules, be it shield transfers, or armor reps + energy transfers, along with at least 1 large EHP buffer extender such as a 1600mm plate for Guardian or LSE for Basi and Scimi: Guardian: 3 Large RAR + 1 Medium RAR + 2 Large Energy Trans = 5L + 1M High slot logistics mods. Basilisk: 4 Large shield transfers + 2 Large energy = 6L High slot logistics mods. Scimitar: 4 Large shield transfers = 4L High slot logistics mods. Oneiros: 3 Large RAR + 1 Medium RAR = 3L + 1M High slot logistics mods. TLDR Summary - Oneiros has the lowest remote buffer augmentation capacity of all logistics ships in the game due to insufficient power grid. To be fair, I have to acknowledge it has a drone bay capable of hosting 5 medium drones, but from all the large fleet engagements I've been in, logistics drones are useless because of the reaction time plus you have to be on top of your repair targets. In most fleets logistic groups are separated from the DPS fleet and follow their own anchors, thus rendering logistics drones highly inefficient. That issue aside, EHP armor buffer of a cookie cutter fleet setup Guardian is 50k+. The best you can get to on an Oneiros with a similar setup is 40k, that's about 20% EHP advantage. That combined with a 14% larger than Guardian's signature radius makes Oneiros a true bastard child of the logistics family :( Any thoughts?
Aamrr HnL Enterprise 100	Posted - 2011.10.22 20:56:00 - [2] - Quote Guardian gets 3 large reps, 1 medium rep, and 1 support energy transfer. Oneiros gets 3 large reps, 1 medium rep, and 1 support tracking link. There's a lot of good arguments that the Oneiros is underpowered, but that rationale isn't very compelling.
Shawn Pierce Wandering Incursion Exterminators 2	Posted - 2011.10.22 20:57:00 - [3] - Quote I know for a fact that I've seen many Oneiros' with four 'Solace' remote reppers and a 1600mm plate. When I FC I won't accept any other configuration, as the 800mm plate version is too squishy. What other modules are you trying to fit on there?
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 44	Posted - 2011.10.22 20:57:00 - [4] - Quote Hey Baby Cakes wrote: Any thoughts? Remember when everyone was crying about how overpowered Drake Armies were because past a certain number they could instapop a Guardian? An Oneiros with 1600mm plate + 1 kinetic hardener and no bonuses has 126K EHP to Scourge. But yeah, other than that, they need to boost it's grid and base armor.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 821	Posted - 2011.10.22 21:08:00 - [5] - Quote Shawn Pierce wrote: I know for a fact that I've seen many Oneiros' with four 'Solace' remote reppers and a 1600mm plate. They just have to use two ACR II rigs and/or a 'Bailey' plate to get that config. When I FC I won't accept any other configuration, as the 800mm plate version is too squishy. 4+ù Large 'Solace' + 1600mm plates means you've taken up 1.3 of your 1.0 GW power gridGÇª and you have no prop mod, no cap booster, and you need to sacrifice one or two of your remaining three low slots to RCUs (depending on how many ACR rigs you want to use) to even begin to make the whole thing fit, which leaves you with pretty darn lousy resistsGÇª GÇªso I'm suspecting that you're not talking about large reppers in this case. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Kazia Fey Hello Kitty Hug Patrol EISENFAUST. 3	Posted - 2011.10.22 21:35:00 - [6] - Quote Shawn Pierce wrote: When I FC I won't accept any other configuration, as the 800mm plate version is too squishy. When you FC you allow Onieros's in your fleet?
Jack Miton Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck 2	Posted - 2011.10.23 00:08:00 - [7] - Quote guardian gets FOUR large reps and 2 large energy transfers. unless youre doing it wrong.
DarkAegix Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 130	Posted - 2011.10.23 00:22:00 - [8] - Quote A Gallente ship? Underpowered? Hoh hoh, you must be mistaken, good sir! (Nope)
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors 121	Posted - 2011.10.23 00:22:00 - [9] - Quote Kazia Fey wrote: Shawn Pierce wrote: When I FC I won't accept any other configuration, as the 800mm plate version is too squishy. When you FC you allow Onieros's in your fleet? Only to fool my enemies into thinking we are more nooby than we actually are. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Plus 1 Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.23 01:08:00 - [10] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Kazia Fey wrote: Shawn Pierce wrote: When I FC I won't accept any other configuration, as the 800mm plate version is too squishy. When you FC you allow Onieros's in your fleet? Only to fool my enemies into thinking we are more nooby than we actually are. Does it work?
Bob Niac freelancers inc Territorial Claim Unit 3	Posted - 2011.10.23 01:22:00 - [11] - Quote Aamrr wrote: Guardian gets 3 large reps, 1 medium rep, and 1 support energy transfer. Oneiros gets 3 large reps, 1 medium rep, and 1 support tracking link. There's a lot of good arguments that the Oneiros is underpowered, but that rationale isn't very compelling. that is decidely NOT a fleet fit Guardian. With logi 4/5 you can do 4/2 large meta four like the rest of EVE I <3 Logistics. Proud pilot of all 4 logi cruisers and my shiny Archon [deceased.] Also a Chimera which may or may not be horrible.
Desudes Pixelmoon The Star League 3	Posted - 2011.10.23 02:11:00 - [12] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: A Gallente ship? Underpowered? Hoh hoh, you must be mistaken, good sir! (Nope) qft :( FOR THE DESU!!!
Demon Azrakel Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck 44	Posted - 2011.10.23 02:18:00 - [13] - Quote You know what happens to a lot of logi pilots? They get jammed. The guardian has room for 1 ECCM mod assuming you want an AB and a full low tank. So...how do you get more sensor strength out of a guardian? Put one of these in for every two guardians: [Oneiros, .....] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Phased Muon ECCM Caster I Phased Muon ECCM Caster I Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II It still has the EHP disadvantage, but you can run it in a group with Logi 4 + Logi 5 Guardians (Logi V Guardian transfers 2x to Logi IV Guardian, Logi IV Guardian transfers 1x to Logi V Guardian and 1x to logi 4/5 Oneiros) Actually, a logi I onieros can fit in a group of logi V guardians for hilarity. Anyways, this Onieros puts a remote ECCM mod on each of his buddies. Because of the drone bonus, the Onieros also reps more. Sensor Strength Onieros: 71.9 Sensor Strength Guardian: 76.7 Old Guardian: 37.2
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2011.10.23 03:12:00 - [14] - Quote Demon Azrakel wrote: You know what happens to a lot of logi pilots? They get jammed. The guardian has room for 1 ECCM mod assuming you want an AB and a full low tank. So...how do you get more sensor strength out of a guardian? Put one of these in for every two guardians: [Oneiros, .....] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Phased Muon ECCM Caster I Phased Muon ECCM Caster I Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II It still has the EHP disadvantage, but you can run it in a group with Logi 4 + Logi 5 Guardians (Logi V Guardian transfers 2x to Logi IV Guardian, Logi IV Guardian transfers 1x to Logi V Guardian and 1x to logi 4/5 Oneiros) Actually, a logi I onieros can fit in a group of logi V guardians for hilarity. Anyways, this Onieros puts a remote ECCM mod on each of his buddies. Because of the drone bonus, the Onieros also reps more. Sensor Strength Onieros: 71.9 Sensor Strength Guardian: 76.7 Old Guardian: 37.2 Confirming this fit fails, hard. No cap regen plus Onerios cap pool means no rr. Onerios' main concern is getting popped, not jammed. It's squishy and there's no cap chain to maintain. 2 t2 rigs triple its price. It's going to die anyway, along with rest of the gang that gets no rr.
Hey Baby Cakes LOOK MA I MADE A CORP 0	Posted - 2011.10.23 05:04:00 - [15] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Demon Azrakel wrote: You know what happens to a lot of logi pilots? They get jammed. The guardian has room for 1 ECCM mod assuming you want an AB and a full low tank. So...how do you get more sensor strength out of a guardian? Put one of these in for every two guardians: [Oneiros, .....] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Phased Muon ECCM Caster I Phased Muon ECCM Caster I Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II It still has the EHP disadvantage, but you can run it in a group with Logi 4 + Logi 5 Guardians (Logi V Guardian transfers 2x to Logi IV Guardian, Logi IV Guardian transfers 1x to Logi V Guardian and 1x to logi 4/5 Oneiros) Actually, a logi I onieros can fit in a group of logi V guardians for hilarity. Anyways, this Onieros puts a remote ECCM mod on each of his buddies. Because of the drone bonus, the Onieros also reps more. Sensor Strength Onieros: 71.9 Sensor Strength Guardian: 76.7 Old Guardian: 37.2 Confirming this fit fails, hard. No cap regen plus Onerios cap pool means no rr. Onerios' main concern is getting popped, not jammed. It's squishy and there's no cap chain to maintain. 2 t2 rigs triple its price. Being a fat onerios, it's going to die anyway, along with rest of the gang that gets no rr. This ^^^^^ The rest of the posts so far just kinda re-enforce every point that I have made in the OP. Just because you CAN put a funny unusable fit together in EFT it doesn't invalidate the issues I brought up. It is squishy, it lacks PG to be equal to other races logis. Can you bring it to a fleet fight, sure you can, purely for the LOL factor and to go up in flames first...
Arugas Koken Peregrine Guard 0	Posted - 2011.10.23 05:13:00 - [16] - Quote I played around in EFT a bit before coming up with the following. Has worked well for me so far. Im sure there are many ways of improving it that i havent thought of. It requires a 2% power implant, has 46,393 EHP with lowest resist being EM at 74.5%. Also, T2 armor reps. [Oneiros, Setup ] Corpus C-Type Armor Explosive Hardener Corpum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Remote Sensor Booster II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Demon Azrakel Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck 44	Posted - 2011.10.23 07:10:00 - [17] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Demon Azrakel wrote: You know what happens to a lot of logi pilots? They get jammed. The guardian has room for 1 ECCM mod assuming you want an AB and a full low tank. So...how do you get more sensor strength out of a guardian? Put one of these in for every two guardians: [Oneiros, .....] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Phased Muon ECCM Caster I Phased Muon ECCM Caster I Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II It still has the EHP disadvantage, but you can run it in a group with Logi 4 + Logi 5 Guardians (Logi V Guardian transfers 2x to Logi IV Guardian, Logi IV Guardian transfers 1x to Logi V Guardian and 1x to logi 4/5 Oneiros) Actually, a logi I onieros can fit in a group of logi V guardians for hilarity. Anyways, this Onieros puts a remote ECCM mod on each of his buddies. Because of the drone bonus, the Onieros also reps more. Sensor Strength Onieros: 71.9 Sensor Strength Guardian: 76.7 Old Guardian: 37.2 Confirming this fit fails, hard. No cap regen plus Onerios cap pool means no rr. Onerios' main concern is getting popped, not jammed. It's squishy and there's no cap chain to maintain. 2 t2 rigs triple its price. Being a fat onerios, it's going to die anyway, along with rest of the gang that gets no rr. No cap regen... did you read the post? It relies on receiving cap from guardians (Guardians that have a free cap transfer; many guardians run 2x transfers despite having logi V for various reasons (you can argue that they would have 5 reps on each guardian, but, for the most part, they would not)). On top of that, we have been in situations where we had to fit 2x ECCM on guardians, which meant we were doing it without ABs on them (to be fair, there were only like 9 of us). The guardians would not have been able to keep up under the two (full amarr jammer) scorps (to be fair, this fight involved much in the way of each side scouting eachother, with the other side being plain terrible with their carrier's fit). In this situation, the big danger was clearly not losing the guardians (sitting on a wh with rather questionable (dread+raven/tempest, it was an odd fight) DPS on the opposing side), but losing battleships (that had to burn off of the wormhole to shoot said carrier) not receiving reps. Consider also a POS bash in w-space. Your dread fleet (of two or three) may take an hour+ to reinforce a POS, and you want your support fleet on grid incapping mods, add some dps to the pos bash, and keeping the enemy from leaving the pos to do repulsive things to your shiny dread fleet. I can tell you, being a Guardian when they have ECM modules (usually a large portion of jammers are amarr, if only because of guardian + no ammo ships, even moreso after they see guardians on grid) on the pos is a *****. Doubling the sensor strength vastly reduces the amount of times your guardians are jammed. And, most of the time, someone cannot fly a guardian (but can fly an oneiros for some reason, probably a thanatos pilot who trained for triage, I was there once) and someone else is bitching about how you need more logi. The fit above provides more logi and less time jammed. The price is actually low compared to some of the guardians I have flown (and the price of that oneiros is not an issue for those of us in w-space). Most guardians used in w-space run the 2x ACR IIs so they can fit a full low tank w/ 1600mm along with meta 4 high slots. Actually, the first Onieros I used was to rep the tank in a 10/10, though it was kinda overkill anyway. Anyway, not saying that the onieros is on par with any of the other logi, but there are uses for it. Being able to fly a Guardian now, I would never touch an Onieros again...which does prove the point of the thread.
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 273	Posted - 2011.10.23 08:40:00 - [18] - Quote Ironically, the Oneiros makes one of the best ships to use in a small gang when used with other Oneiros's exclusively [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img]
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 50	Posted - 2011.10.23 11:34:00 - [19] - Quote Headerman wrote: Ironically, the Oneiros makes one of the best ships to use in a small gang when used with other Oneiros's exclusively That's the biggest issue, logistics for logistics. But just like any other race, bring ten of them and spider tank, they all win. Why your 20 drake gangs I see so often in null have 4 or 5 Scimis and no Basilisk? Why your small roaming armor gangs have Guardians and no Oneiros? There must be a reason, and a serious one when you fight. Now if you ask me if the Oneiros can do some stuff I'd say yes, behind the station in Dodixie at 60km from undock and with alt remoting the Oneiros. So, what's the point of using Oneiros vs Guardians?
Marcus Alkhaar APEX ARDENT COALITION NEM3SIS. 0	Posted - 2011.10.23 19:16:00 - [20] - Quote There's 1 strongpoint the oneiros got over the guardian. Cap stability with 0 cap transferers. [Oneiros, LRAB] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Marcus Alkhaar APEX ARDENT COALITION NEM3SIS. 0	Posted - 2011.10.23 19:24:00 - [21] - Quote [Guardian, LRAB] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II N-Type Thermic Hardener I Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Reactor Control Unit II 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I this is my guardian build, it got 4k more EHP than the oneiros and slightly less rep power (cuz guardian is t2, no ****, try it in EFT)
Buzzmong Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.23 23:37:00 - [22] - Quote If you go delving into the old forum's F&I, there's a thread by CCP Tallest which encompasses possible changes to the Oneiros: I'll copypaste for ease of use: CCP Tallest wrote: About the Oneiros... What do you think about increasing the armor to about 3000, reducing the sig radius to 70 and adding a little space to the drone bay for spare drones? If you want to push the issue, the "new" thread is here. Quite why that boost and the dram changes haven't gone live are beyond me, but CCP do seem to beware the Oneiros is lacking.
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 276	Posted - 2011.10.24 01:59:00 - [23] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: Headerman wrote: Ironically, the Oneiros makes one of the best ships to use in a small gang when used with other Oneiros's exclusively That's the biggest issue, logistics for logistics. But just like any other race, bring ten of them and spider tank, they all win. Why your 20 drake gangs I see so often in null have 4 or 5 Scimis and no Basilisk? Why your small roaming armor gangs have Guardians and no Oneiros? There must be a reason, and a serious one when you fight. Now if you ask me if the Oneiros can do some stuff I'd say yes, behind the station in Dodixie at 60km from undock and with alt remoting the Oneiros. So, what's the point of using Oneiros vs Guardians? Unforunately that is also the issue for the Exequror; not enough PG. I think one issue with the oneiros (besides the lower PG ofc) is the tracking link bonus. If tracking links were high slot mods, then it would make a bit more sense The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why?
Hey Baby Cakes LOOK MA I MADE A CORP 0	Posted - 2011.10.25 20:21:00 - [24] - Quote Some leaked speculation on the next upcoming big patch: Oneiros lowSlots: 4.0 => 5.0 maxVelocity: 214.0 => 230.0 medSlots: 5.0 => 4.0 powerOutput: 850.0 => 1050.0 signatureRadius: 80.0 => 70.0 warpSpeedMultiplier: 1.0 => 1.25 All I can say is YAY!
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2011.10.25 20:25:00 - [25] - Quote Hey Baby Cakes wrote: Some leaked speculation on the next upcoming big patch: Oneiros lowSlots: 4.0 => 5.0 maxVelocity: 214.0 => 230.0 medSlots: 5.0 => 4.0 powerOutput: 850.0 => 1050.0 signatureRadius: 80.0 => 70.0 warpSpeedMultiplier: 1.0 => 1.25 All I can say is YAY! Mid slot gimp isn't helpful... The 2 logis that don't have cap chain need extra slots for cap mods to function.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 59	Posted - 2011.10.25 20:47:00 - [26] - Quote Marcus Alkhaar wrote: There's 1 strongpoint the oneiros got over the guardian. Cap stability with 0 cap transferers. [Oneiros, LRAB] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I LOL fit sry
Aamrr HnL Enterprise 108	Posted - 2011.10.25 20:58:00 - [27] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Mid slot gimp isn't helpful... The 2 logis that don't have cap chain need extra slots for cap mods to function. Capacitor power relays give a larger bonus than cap rechargers. Effectively, the Oneiros just got a 5% capacitor buff.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 59	Posted - 2011.10.25 21:32:00 - [28] - Quote Please let me introduce you the Scimineiros Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I +Implant CR8 cap stable 60% everything running at 100% Speed: 268/640 Resists: 62.5/82/93/77.5 Shield passive tank: 70.4/s (so lol) Has you can see this fit is cap stable and has great mobility but of course will need a scimitar to remote rep it but you know, logistics for logistics are mandatory lol fits are lol heh? If you ask I can bring more of them, always fun and always lol, I love eft/pyfa worrioring so much makes me feel better than everyone
steave435 Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 26	Posted - 2011.10.25 21:35:00 - [29] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Hey Baby Cakes wrote: Some leaked speculation on the next upcoming big patch: Oneiros lowSlots: 4.0 => 5.0 maxVelocity: 214.0 => 230.0 medSlots: 5.0 => 4.0 powerOutput: 850.0 => 1050.0 signatureRadius: 80.0 => 70.0 warpSpeedMultiplier: 1.0 => 1.25 All I can say is YAY! Mid slot gimp isn't helpful... The 2 logis that don't have cap chain need extra slots for cap mods to function. The Scimi does just fine with that amount of slots. This adds 250 grid after skills, and enable you to choose between more cap or more tank while you were previously "forced" to use that slot for cap, and at the same time it gains 7,5% speed while signature is reduced by 12.5%..Those are some pretty significant boosts.
Aamrr HnL Enterprise 109	Posted - 2011.10.25 23:08:00 - [30] - Quote So wait. The Oneiros gets almost 20% more CPU more than the Guardian, but the Guardian gets only 2.4% more powergrid? When the Guardian has to fit 6 highslot modules, and the Oneiros only has to fit four? Does that seem screwed up to anyone else?

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