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ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 2603	Posted - 2013.06.16 03:42:00 - [31] - Quote Throwing my support here. Kill the launcher or allow us to bypass it altogether if there is no patch (like before). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Bru Swillis Titan Technologies Inc 5	Posted - 2013.06.16 03:42:00 - [32] - Quote Kill the launcher, kill it with fire!
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1183	Posted - 2013.06.16 04:20:00 - [33] - Quote Do not try and launch Eve with the launcher. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no launcher. Then you'll see, that it is not the launcher that runs Eve, but only Exefile.exe. HTFU!...for the children!
Dun'Gal Myriad Contractors Inc. 26	Posted - 2013.06.16 04:44:00 - [34] - Quote Launcher works fine. Next topic plz.
Warcalibre Perpeptual Event Date Corp 50	Posted - 2013.06.16 04:58:00 - [35] - Quote This launcher is better because it's wider and therefore has more place to display colorful pictures relevant to the game, like laser ravens. #CCPlogic
Hurtado Soneka Serenity Prime Kraken. 126	Posted - 2013.06.16 05:02:00 - [36] - Quote Warcalibre wrote: This launcher is better because it's wider and therefore has more place to display colorful pictures relevant to the game, like laser ravens. #CCPlogic haha right? The launcher isn't just bad, its laughably bad
Tavin Aikisen Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 202	Posted - 2013.06.16 05:04:00 - [37] - Quote I'll be happy with the launcher if it didn't mean the death of the original login screens. They were great to look at and listen to. Bring them back, please. Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind
Samuel Woodbury Veoxtrox 12	Posted - 2013.06.16 06:08:00 - [38] - Quote Heres why you need a launcher. a launcher is a like a web browser, but that CCP made, it enebles them to put in patche's small fix's when ever they want, without needing you to click download What you want is the hold launcher... killing a launch would... well ya i said it
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1274	Posted - 2013.06.16 06:52:00 - [39] - Quote The launcher looks a bit cluttered and badly composed. Make it bigger and try to make the layout easier on the eye. This is not a signature.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4186	Posted - 2013.06.16 07:19:00 - [40] - Quote Felicity Love wrote: Well, the whole mess is down now... but that's okay... it's only prime time on Saturday night in North America. That's CCP kindly pushing you to go out and do... real Saturday night activities. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel

Skorpynekomimi 518	Posted - 2013.06.16 10:23:00 - [41] - Quote I have had only one problem with it, which was easily rectified. Now, compared to the ease of updating things, and not needing to load the entire game up to get patches, I think it's very much worth it. ****
Obunagawe 138	Posted - 2013.06.16 10:50:00 - [42] - Quote I like the new bin/exefile.exe method. Now we have a generic, fixed splash screen that uses basically no resources at all compared to the resource intensive expansion-specific screens of the past. I'd be happy to stay in this limbo forever. As long as they don't remove my binlauncher, I'm happy.
Steijn Quay Industries CAStabouts 333	Posted - 2013.06.16 11:02:00 - [43] - Quote CCP said that eventually the launcher will be forced upon us as the exe.file will be removed. I therefore will look into my crystal ball and make a prediction........ .....on the day CCP remove the backdoor entry via the exe.file, these forums will miraculously go down stopping anyone commenting. If they thought WIS created a sh*tstorm, watch what removing the exe.file entry system does.
Sarmatiko 1211	Posted - 2013.06.16 11:29:00 - [44] - Quote EVE need new launcher and it's actually good for client updating (ofc if we forget for a second about already existing excellent repair tool). But feature implementation is horrible, and need of sudden forceful deployment is so unobvious that this turned into another trainwreck. We already have alternative launchers (but with unclear position from CCP about this kind of software) with useful features and minimalistic interface (because some people just want to launch the game without loading landing web page through integrated Chrome). Why this wasn't implemented in the new launcher in the first place to make this tool worthy? Also I just want to remind everyone that it looks like current CSM position about this matter can be described with "HURR DURR MY LAUNCHER WORKS FINE" statement. Take notice for future. -¥
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 362	Posted - 2013.06.16 11:38:00 - [45] - Quote Steijn wrote: CCP said that eventually the launcher will be forced upon us as the exe.file will be removed. I therefore will look into my crystal ball and make a prediction........ Actually I'm fine with this, if by then they managed to come up with a login solution that's as comfortable as the .exe file. As it is right now, the login via launcher is a rpita. Remove insurance.
Tiber Ibis Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2013.06.16 11:45:00 - [46] - Quote Hurtado Soneka wrote: I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it. Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile Am sure it uses some system resources, so if your a pauper like me on a laptop that's a pain in the ass too. CCP get it ****. Nobody likes it or needs it. Do it, do it now kill it. Thanks How about,,,,, no.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 362	Posted - 2013.06.16 11:45:00 - [47] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: We already have alternative launchers (but with unclear position from CCP about this kind of software) with useful features and minimalistic interface. Why this wasn't implemented in the new launcher in the first place to make this tool worthy? That doesn't look like a launcher I'd like. Too much mouse handling. A double click with the mouse, enter password, hit enter twice and I'm ingame, unless I need the mouse in the character screen. If character selection could be done via tab, I wouldn't even need the mouse at the character screen. Remove insurance.
Miinuri PUSC0 1	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:08:00 - [48] - Quote Confirming, launcher is rubbish and a pain to use. Always feel fuzzy inside when I get to login-screen. Please do not remove the exefile access, ever.
Alva Dyson Revenant of Silence 6	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:22:00 - [49] - Quote gargars wrote: I am not usually one to whine but seriously - get rid of the launcher. No one asked for it. We lost the splash screen/music most people liked. It is more difficult to log into multiple accounts. We often have to end up doing a bypass of it manually when it stops working. I check to see if the language changed to Russian before I use it. More ads. More downtime. How is this an improvement for the paying customer? I enjoyed the splash screen and miss it now that it is gone.
Sarmatiko 1211	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:24:00 - [50] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: That doesn't look like a launcher I'd like. Too much mouse handling. Click on "Launch tickled" button and it will instantly launch any number of clients without even asking you login/password (because you will setup this only once) One mouse click is too much for you? -¥

Evei Shard 182	Posted - 2013.06.16 15:45:00 - [51] - Quote The launcher is a clunky unwanted annoyance which created an additional step in the path to logging into this great game. Someone at CCP, likely near or at the top, is obsessed with it, and like some other things in the not too distant past, thinks they know what's best for the player base. The launcher is not about updates. Updates is the pitch they are selling the subscriber base. What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games). Much of it has to do with the trial period. Forcing the new, unsubscribed, users to be exposed to specials designed to get them to commit to the game. Once again, CCP is trying to use F2P tactics on a paying user base. This is the main reason that eveFile.exe will be "fixed". That "fix" is probably priority number 1 right now at CCP. Eve may never go F2P as some think it should, but we're sure as hell going to feel like we're in a F2P. Profit favors the prepared

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 1578	Posted - 2013.06.16 15:52:00 - [52] - Quote Hurtado Soneka wrote: I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it. Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games \| @erlendur

Sarmatiko 1211	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:00:00 - [53] - Quote Evei Shard wrote: What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games). Have to disagree here. It's funny, because with removal of in-game login screen on the second plan, CCP have removed rather effective one-time splash advertisements that existed there for ages. Now devs moved them into the corner of character selection screen, so ads can be ignored just as easily as "world news" (because let's be honest - character selection screen is not the place one would stay for too long). Of course maybe CCP internal metrics show other pictures, and minimalistic launcher ads have suddenly rised PLEX/other stuff sales through the roof.. -¥
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1099	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:18:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Hurtado Soneka wrote: I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it. Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night. dont worry if change was easy every would do it. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc 443	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:21:00 - [55] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: Evei Shard wrote: What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games). Have to disagree here. It's funny, because with removal of in-game login screen on the second plan, CCP have removed rather effective one-time splash advertisements that existed there for ages. Now devs moved them into the corner of character selection screen, so ads can be ignored just as easily as "world news" (because let's be honest - character selection screen is not the place one would stay for too long). Of course maybe CCP internal metrics show other pictures, and minimalistic launcher ads have suddenly rised PLEX/other stuff sales through the roof.. Loosing the login screen has also been a huge loss in terms of new player experience. When I make noob-friendly eve tutorial videos, or when a new player wants to try eve, it always begins at the login screen. A great music, plus a great animated background with the game engine... It's impossible to see such a thing one day with this poor launcher. G££ <= Me
Adunh Slavy 959	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:35:00 - [56] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: ... the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API ... Other than soon, when can we expect some kind of devblog about CREST? Many of us spreadsheet types that play in the market are very interested in what this might allow us to do.
Hevymetal POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance 65	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:41:00 - [57] - Quote I really don't want to beat a dead horse. /grabs baseball bat But...... I must agree this new launcher is horrid. Bad design, poor performance and useless functionality. If you must press forward with this steaming pile of bovine excrement at least continue to allow the direct execution of the game .exe so that those of us that choose to avoid it will continue to have that option.
marVLs 182	Posted - 2013.06.16 17:07:00 - [58] - Quote I want 3 things with it: 1. Better performance/optimalization 2. Saving passwords 3. Redone character lobby with expansion theme, some animations etc. overall something cool like those prototype screens with new interface etc.
Mr M Agony Unleashed 246	Posted - 2013.06.16 17:19:00 - [59] - Quote If people don't have anythign else to complain about than the launcher I think it's a pretty good day. Really. Share your experience Write for the EVE Tribune www.eve-tribune.com
Tiven loves Tansien Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 842	Posted - 2013.06.16 17:28:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night. Hello. If services -dedicated and needed to the launcher only- go down, then how was the launcher working 100%? If explorer.exe stops working all of a sudden, i blame Windows not explorer.exe



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