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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3699
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Posted - 2013.06.17 05:21:00 -
[91] - Quote
We wouldn't have these issues like "the launcher doesn't work but using the exefile connects just fine" if the exefile couldn't run without the launcher.
I am a nullsec zealot. |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury
Tactical Narcotics Team
237
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:12:00 -
[92] - Quote
+1 For modifying it
There is no reason I should have to PLAY twice.
Just let me select the character, enter password.. PLAY and login, then I can quickly switch to the other toon and enter password and PLAY.
Having to go back to switch characters is a real pain in the @ss.
Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Rear Admiral Barrington
Turalyon Plus
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:46:00 -
[93] - Quote
The launcher is horrible for switching characters on the same account, which is doubly stupid because the new dual training means people will have to do that more than they used to. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1926
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:05:00 -
[94] - Quote
Switching characters has always been pretty horrible, IMO.
The current form was pretty badly broken on release - should not have been released in that state, IMO. But now it runs fairly smoothly - for me at least.
Would prefer not to have to deal with the Launcher, but there are architeture and logistics reasons why it's a reasonable tool. There are other ways to do what it does, but frankly I think y'all would hate those much more than the Launcher as it is. I *would* like to see some work done on the human-factors aspects of the launcher - It's still pretty clunky, though I understand its presence.
Sorry folks - Software can do many things, but it cannot be all things to everyone. Rather thant trying to Lynch the Launcher, bend your efferts towards forcing CCP to spend some dev time on making it less clunky and maybe a bit more attractive.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4274
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:27:00 -
[95] - Quote
This one phrase in the OP pretty much sums up this thread.
silens vesica summed it up pretty nicely in the post above mine.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Pitrolo Orti
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:31:00 -
[96] - Quote
Hate the launcher!!!
Kill it!!!
Rabble Rabble Rabble!
Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
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Sarmatiko
1215
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:39:00 -
[97] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:bend your efferts towards forcing CCP to spend some dev time on making it less clunky and maybe a bit more attractive.
And we will see results of those efforts when exactly? It's not a secret that summer is an hibernate AT/summer vacations period for CCP and EVE development. So we can carefully assume that next feature iterations for EVE launcher will come not earlier than in September\October.
If that is true, then I wonder, why new launcher was pushed so forcefully before Odyssey, causing negative public reaction, if it simply could have been waited until autumn time or Winter expansion? 
-¥ |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Tribal Band
705
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:14:00 -
[98] - Quote
marVLs wrote:I want 3 things with it:
2. Saving passwords
your second point is irrelevant as a comparison complaint
the old launcher/log in screen combo did not remember passwords either
old system
Launcher -> log in screen -> character selection
new system
Launcher -> character selection
the new system remembers different account names, just like the old one did
the new system allows for multiboxing, just like the old one did
the new system is more streamlined, and uses a torrent process for patching afaik |
Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis
Expoit This Mf's
14
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:01:00 -
[99] - Quote
I was fortunate to join the game a few weeks before they rolled out the launcher. I can tell you that the old login screen really got me hooked. When I saw the new launcher I said what the hell is this? It's cheap looking, clunky, and all around been a nuisance since it's installation. To those that say it has a purpose for patching, fine, I will deal with it, but it's a shame that new players won't have that initial 'wow' moment when they login for the first time like I did.  |
Sarmatiko
1215
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:17:00 -
[100] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:the new system remembers different account names, just like the old one did
Remembering passwords is more useful for faster logins. And this was not implemented in supposedly "new" launcher.
Quote:the new system allows for multiboxing, just like the old one did
Exefile also "allows for multiboxing" in the same primitive way like in new launcher. You can start as many eve instances as you like, and login manually in all of them.
This is not "multibox friendly". Check eve-mlp UI screenshot to understand what exactly people demand from multibox friendly game launcher (one-click-launch-all-accounts, save passwords, different preferences for each client/account instance etc)
Quote:the new system is more streamlined, and uses a torrent process for patching afaik
No it's not. At least for now.
"New launcher" in a nutshell is basically zsync based Repair tool with Crome browser for UI and SSO for login.
People rised valid concern - why this launcher was forced now, if all new features will arrive only in unknown distant future? SSO mass test because Sisi feedback wasn't good enough?
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1931
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:28:00 -
[101] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:silens vesica wrote:bend your efferts towards forcing CCP to spend some dev time on making it less clunky and maybe a bit more attractive. And we will see results of those efforts when exactly? It's not a secret that summer is an hibernate AT/summer vacations period for CCP and EVE development. So we can carefully assume that next feature iterations for EVE launcher will come not earlier than in September\October. If that is true, then I wonder, why new launcher was pushed so forcefully before Odyssey, causing negative public reaction, if it simply could have been waited until autumn time or Winter expansion? Who knows when we might get an updated version? I certainly don't know - But I *DO* know that if we waste time trying to reverse a made-and-comitted decision, we'll get nothing. And I know that if we *don't* take steps towards focussing CCP's attention, we'll again get nothing.
So - Don't try to hold back the tide with a sand shovel. Instead, use that shovel to dig a channel to direct where the tide goes. It ain' much, but it's better than complete futility.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4275
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:29:00 -
[102] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:the new system remembers different account names, just like the old one did Remembering passwords is more useful for faster logins. And this was not implemented in supposedly "new" launcher. Quote:the new system allows for multiboxing, just like the old one did Exefile also "allows for multiboxing" in the same primitive way like in new launcher. You can start as many eve instances as you like, and login manually in all of them. This is not "multibox friendly". Check eve-mlp UI screenshot to understand what exactly people demand from multibox friendly game launcher (one-click-launch-all-accounts, save passwords, different preferences for each client/account instance etc) Quote:the new system is more streamlined, and uses a torrent process for patching afaik No it's not. At least for now. "New launcher" in a nutshell is basically zsync based Repair tool with Crome browser for UI and SSO for login. People rised valid concern - why this launcher was forced now, if all new features will arrive only in unknown distant future? SSO mass test because Sisi feedback wasn't good enough?
Sarmatiko I think they probably wanted to get this bare bones version out in the wild to work the kinks out of it now, so that they would have a stable framework in place to build on this fall. Apparently they intend to bring most of the more advanced (and multibox friendly) features out incrimentally... which considering the hicups they are having is probably a wise choice.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Tribal Band
705
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:32:00 -
[103] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:the new system remembers different account names, just like the old one did Remembering passwords is more useful for faster logins. And this was not implemented in supposedly "new" launcher.
but your complaining that you want the old launcher back
because the new launcher does not do this
neither did the old launcher
it makes your argument pointless and stupid |
advii
Kossu and Keppana Inc.
23
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:46:00 -
[104] - Quote
First you take away our jukebox and make us wormhole/nullsec/lowsec dwellers listen to depressing whale singing for all eternity and now you take away our login screen and replace it with a soulless launcher filled with ads?
Do you understand the emotional value of these things at CCP? Logging in and first hearing the login music and then Miner Stories or Red Glowing Dust used to get me so pumped to play this game. Nowadays? Boring launcher and whale songs all over. 
BRING BACK OUR LOGIN SCREEN!!! |
Dorion Strag
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:32:00 -
[105] - Quote
I dislike the new launcher because it takes me slightly longer when I want to log into multiple accounts but, I'll get over it. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
407
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:01:00 -
[106] - Quote
CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder.
I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts.
So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen.
Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2414
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:21:00 -
[107] - Quote
Turelus wrote:CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen.
Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do.
In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect)
The Drake is a Lie |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
2259
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:29:00 -
[108] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:Turelus wrote:CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect)
Right. It's the launcher failing at what we need it to do.
What it will do in the future is immaterial. Its present condition is a failure.
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller.
-Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2414
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:39:00 -
[109] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Xercodo wrote:Turelus wrote:CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect) Right. It's the launcher failing at what we need it to do. What it will do in the future is immaterial. Its present condition is a failure.
And that is where I can agree in it's failure.
Otherwise I'm liking it. Hell, last few bug fix patches we downloaded and installed before I even got my 16 character password typed in :D
And since I'm using a same-account alt a bit more for my tutorial live streams it's be SOOOO convenient to swap characters.
I can only sympathize, not empathize with you multi-boxers so all I can say is that it's coming Soon(tm).
As for the question, "Why did they push this out now?"
Well they needed to get it live to really stress it and catch all the bugs a things they didn't catch before. And they needed it to start doing SSO. SSO was important because they're using it to provide better integration with steam.
So, at the root of it all it was likely a business decision more than a functional one. Their highest priority business-wise was to get SSO working an live. The convenience features can be done later but SSO was a vital thing. It just so happened that being able to do quick character swapping from rebooting the client from the already logged in launcher kinda fell out of it.
The Drake is a Lie |
Jonn Hakuli
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:41:00 -
[110] - Quote
Dantivio wrote:i want the launcher gone so we can have unique login music again. i looked forward to that every expansion. remember how awesome incarna and incursion music was?
^ This!
The login screens were awesome and gave a nice feel of immersion when lauching the game. I don't really mind the new launcher, but the lack of a new screen in Odyssey was a HUGE let down for me. |
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
2259
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:44:00 -
[111] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Xercodo wrote:Turelus wrote:CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect) Right. It's the launcher failing at what we need it to do. What it will do in the future is immaterial. Its present condition is a failure. And that is where I can agree in it's failure. Otherwise I'm liking it. Hell, last few bug fix patches we downloaded and installed before I even got my 16 character password typed in :D And since I'm using a same-account alt a bit more for my tutorial live streams it's be SOOOO convenient to swap characters. I can only sympathize, not empathize with you multi-boxers so all I can say is that it's coming Soon(tm). As for the question, "Why did they push this out now?" Well they needed to get it live to really stress it and catch all the bugs a things they didn't catch before. And they needed it to start doing SSO. SSO was important because they're using it to provide better integration with steam. So, at the root of it all it was likely a business decision more than a functional one. Their highest priority business-wise was to get SSO working an live. The convenience features can be done later but SSO was a vital thing. It just so happened that being able to do quick character swapping from rebooting the client from the already logged in launcher kinda fell out of it.
Translation: CCP thought it was good business to offload bad beta-grade software on its customers.
Again.
The launcher and its tie-in to the CREST API being broken like day 2 make it more functionally like alpha-grade software, at best.
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller.
-Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4277
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:46:00 -
[112] - Quote
Jonn Hakuli wrote:Dantivio wrote:i want the launcher gone so we can have unique login music again. i looked forward to that every expansion. remember how awesome incarna and incursion music was? ^ This! The login screens were awesome and gave a nice feel of immersion when lauching the game. I don't really mind the new launcher, but the lack of a new screen in Odyssey was a HUGE let down for me.
I miss expansion dedicated log in screens as well, however there is still "unique login music" on the character selection screen I believe.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4277
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:49:00 -
[113] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Xercodo wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Xercodo wrote:Turelus wrote:CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect) Right. It's the launcher failing at what we need it to do. What it will do in the future is immaterial. Its present condition is a failure. And that is where I can agree in it's failure. Otherwise I'm liking it. Hell, last few bug fix patches we downloaded and installed before I even got my 16 character password typed in :D And since I'm using a same-account alt a bit more for my tutorial live streams it's be SOOOO convenient to swap characters. I can only sympathize, not empathize with you multi-boxers so all I can say is that it's coming Soon(tm). As for the question, "Why did they push this out now?" Well they needed to get it live to really stress it and catch all the bugs a things they didn't catch before. And they needed it to start doing SSO. SSO was important because they're using it to provide better integration with steam. So, at the root of it all it was likely a business decision more than a functional one. Their highest priority business-wise was to get SSO working an live. The convenience features can be done later but SSO was a vital thing. It just so happened that being able to do quick character swapping from rebooting the client from the already logged in launcher kinda fell out of it. Translation: CCP thought it was good business to offload bad beta-grade software on its customers. Again. The launcher and its tie-in to the CREST API being broken like day 2 make it more functionally like alpha-grade software, at best.
The first time it went down was due to a ddos attack on the login server, the second time was due to the CREST API connection which is actually more tied to DUST.
Neither occurance had anything to do with the launcher itself failing.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4277
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:51:00 -
[114] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Xercodo wrote:Turelus wrote:CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect) Right. It's the launcher failing at what we need it to do. What it will do in the future is immaterial. Its present condition is a failure.
Darth, that's a pretty silly statement.
The future is far from immaterial.
Get the basic structure out there and stable, with an emphasis on mission critical elements... then add the nice little perks as time allows.
This hardly seems like a bad implimentation strategy.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Humera Hekard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:00:00 -
[115] - Quote
marVLs wrote:I want 3 things with it:
1. Better performance/optimalization
2. Saving passwords
3. Redone character lobby with expansion theme, some animations etc. overall something cool like those prototype screens with new interface etc.
Agreed on all counts - especially #1 - the launcher needs a much smaller footprint and not be bloated in terms of size and CPU use. |
Ersahi Kir
Infinite Mobility
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
188
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:15:00 -
[116] - Quote
I've been using the new launcher for 3 or 4 weeks and I still don't like it.
The intellisense on the account selection sucks balls too. It keeps trying to select another account when I type in the account name exactly.
Just stop wasting dev time changing features and removing things that people actually like and use. And I want my damn jukebox back. |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
Trans-Stellar Industries
357
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:39:00 -
[117] - Quote
Again, to reiterate earlier posts:
If they theme the character selection screen and make it more robust like I linked earlier in the thread, this could really help those who miss the old login screen for it's nostalgia factor.
They could obviously further improve the launcher in handling multiple accounts, screens and clients with greater functionality, as well as give it a lot of teeth in streamlining logoffs and account/character switching. So much could be done.
But if anybody here knows CCP, simply reversing what they've done is not going to happen. No, seriously. You can stop them from going further forward, but you can't get them to go backward unless it kills the server ... and then they'd only work harder to make ti work.
Better to come up with legitimate suggestions and helpful advice, because CCP can be real stubborn about these things. And I have a sneaking suspicion that there's more behind the launcher than improved patching and 'ooh, new code'. We'll probably only find that out after this CSM moves on and certain NDA expire.
If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that? |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
408
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Posted - 2013.06.18 05:51:00 -
[118] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:Turelus wrote:CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect)
The problem is these issues were bought to CCP's attention during testing. Having a launcher that has no support or ease of use for players with muiltiple accounts is just stupid when alt accounts are a huge part of this game.
Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Yummy Chocolate
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:42:00 -
[119] - Quote
launcher is fine L2P |
Guile SONICBOOM
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.06.18 09:42:00 -
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Like Adam Jensen says: I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS.
The launcher is just another tedious hassles that annoys you every-time you log in. |
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