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Hurtado Soneka Serenity Prime Kraken. 98	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:50:00 - [1] - Quote I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it. Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile Am sure it uses some system resources, so if your a pauper like me on a laptop that's a pain in the ass too. CCP get it ****. Nobody likes it or needs it. Do it, do it now kill it. Thanks
Anya Klibor Error-404 361	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:53:00 - [2] - Quote All the other cool games have one, that's why!
Hurtado Soneka Serenity Prime Kraken. 98	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:55:00 - [3] - Quote Am serious though, played the game since 2004 and its never had as many problems as since the launcher came out. Its a piece of **** and it needs to go.
Felicity Love STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate 678	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:58:00 - [4] - Quote Well, the whole mess is down now... but that's okay... it's only prime time on Saturday night in North America. Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
gargars Cohesion Inc Beyond-Repair 63	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:59:00 - [5] - Quote I am not usually one to whine but seriously - get rid of the launcher. No one asked for it. We lost the splash screen/music most people liked. It is more difficult to log into multiple accounts. We often have to end up doing a bypass of it manually when it stops working. I check to see if the language changed to Russian before I use it. More ads. More downtime. How is this an improvement for the paying customer?
Lord Ryan Donkey Hats 795	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:00:00 - [6] - Quote They got crappy launchers and locking threads down. To bad they can't handle putting Eve Online online. Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Exigent Xleric The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:01:00 - [7] - Quote Logging in through the client has a nicer feel then through the launcher
Dantivio New Eden Exploration and Security Services 12	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:02:00 - [8] - Quote i want the launcher gone so we can have unique login music again. i looked forward to that every expansion. remember how awesome incarna and incursion music was?
Hurtado Soneka Serenity Prime Kraken. 106	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:03:00 - [9] - Quote The launcher just appeared randomly like a cancer, and yea I agree it certainly doesn't make logging in multiple characters any easier, CCP should at least add an option to get rid of it for the people that don't want screwed over every week. The server is up its just the launcher taking the ****
Lykouleon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 828	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:08:00 - [10] - Quote Hurtado Soneka wrote: The server is up its just the launcher taking the **** The server just got taken offline. Hth. Also, the majority of what the launcher is isn't for our sake, it's for CCP's sake when deploying patches. The same standard is becoming the norm across the industry. HTFU and get used to it (though I do hope CCP wakes up from their horrible mistake of getting rid of our login music...jerks) Toshiro Ozuwara > GOon cowards come fight Toshiro Ozuwara > Oh wait, you only camp when you got numberssss I would fully support account bans by ccp for meta type stuff like this.

Steve Spooner Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two 90	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:09:00 - [11] - Quote CCP is doing this to test the people of EVE to see if we can handle needless hindrances to our gameplay to dole out more needless hindrances to our gameplay. We can't handle it so please take the launcher to the back of the shed and shoot it between the eyes, then the legs, then the chest, then whatever is still a solid mass. Repeat until liquid.
Nyancat Audeles Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 286	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:16:00 - [12] - Quote In before lock, because CCP will try to lock away all opposition to the launcher Seriosuly, CCP, I don't know how intelligent one needs to be to understand the SIMPLE FACT THAT PEOPLE LIKE PRETTY LOGIN SCREENS WITH NICE 3D GRAPHICS AND GOOD MUSIC MORE THAN A DAMN AD-RIDDEN PIECE OF SH*T LAUNCHER THAT DOESN'T WORK HALF THE TIME!!! God dammit, is that so hard to understand or comprehend? /rage
Mr M Agony Unleashed 245	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:17:00 - [13] - Quote The server being down and people ddosing the server is probably a different problem than the launcher. And if CCP could they would probably chose some other time to work on the servers. It's 1am on Iceland and they're probably rather spend the night out drinking beer or at home in bed. Also, the launcher is based on awesomium so I'm quite sure it can play sounds and music. Share your experience Write for the EVE Tribune www.eve-tribune.com
Kirsteni Ministry of War Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:17:00 - [14] - Quote Steve Spooner wrote: CCP is doing this to test the people of EVE to see if we can handle needless hindrances to our gameplay to dole out more needless hindrances to our gameplay. We can't handle it so please take the launcher to the back of the shed and shoot it between the eyes, then the legs, then the chest, then whatever is still a solid mass. Repeat until liquid. remind me not to **** you off
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 259	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:18:00 - [15] - Quote Exigent Xleric wrote: Logging in through the client has a nicer feel then through the launcher At least it used to...now you just get an empty space picture and no music. They should change the bypass log in screen to a door.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band 698	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:20:00 - [16] - Quote The new launcher downloads and installs patches way faster than the old one.
Malcolm Shinhwa Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth 40	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:21:00 - [17] - Quote Note to self: Make sure skillqueue is full. Plan on playing some other game on weekends from now on.
Parker Cesaille Baptised by Fire MORE.DPS 2	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:22:00 - [18] - Quote This is nuts...I hate the launcher!
QuakeGod Empire Manufacturing 8	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:23:00 - [19] - Quote The launcher. Kill it. Kill it with fire.
Hurtado Soneka Serenity Prime Kraken. 118	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:23:00 - [20] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: The new launcher downloads and installs patches way faster than the old one. O Rly? Am of the belief if something isn't broke it doesn't need fixing. Then along comes this terrible launcher and yea, **** needs fixing a lot these days. Don't think I ever had trouble patching eve before the launcher now I think about it, and boy did I like that splash screen.

Len Ross Differential Hardening 11	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:23:00 - [21] - Quote forever to keep verifying game, writing overlapping, ad ridden buggy launcher, hard to swap characters on the same account without having to restart the whole thing. Its making you look like amateurs. Remove it or fix it. And sack the idiot who programed it and the one who approved its deployment.
Lykouleon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 830	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:33:00 - [22] - Quote Hurtado Soneka wrote: O Rly? Am of the belief if something isn't broke it doesn't need fixing.. If something isn't broken, that doesn't mean it can't be improved on. Again, most of what the new launcher does isn't for the player base, it's for how CCP deploys patches. Go bang your head against their offices for some stats on how many man-hours got wasted on the old patches versus the new system. Toshiro Ozuwara > GOon cowards come fight Toshiro Ozuwara > Oh wait, you only camp when you got numberssss I would fully support account bans by ccp for meta type stuff like this.
Hurtado Soneka Serenity Prime Kraken. 120	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:40:00 - [23] - Quote erm no thanks lyko, and some improvement. Should go and bang your head against a wall and see if the fog clears up enough so that you yourself can see how much a piece of **** this launcher is.
VaL Iscariot The Concilium Enterprises THE ROYAL NAVY 51	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:46:00 - [24] - Quote death to the launcher! what was wrong with the old one? it was simple and streamlined. Also, i miss Aura saying "Connecting" chime
Ilkahn DisturbedGamers. Tribal Band 28	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:49:00 - [25] - Quote Kill the launcher, this is stupid. The game has a built in launcher for gods sakes. You guys are launching a launcher. I'm not into programming but this smacks of wasted effort guys. Come on CCP, get back to the PROBRO we know.
Christopher AET Segmentum Solar Nulli Legio 450	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:49:00 - [26] - Quote First Launcher was fine. This new one is just awful. I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
DeadAir C1 School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:56:00 - [27] - Quote Death to the new launcher -signed
Ilkahn DisturbedGamers. Tribal Band 28	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:59:00 - [28] - Quote Lykouleon wrote: Hurtado Soneka wrote: The server is up its just the launcher taking the **** The server just got taken offline. Hth. Also, the majority of what the launcher is isn't for our sake, it's for CCP's sake when deploying patches. The same standard is becoming the norm across the industry. HTFU and get used to it (though I do hope CCP wakes up from their horrible mistake of getting rid of our login music...jerks) I don't agree with your idea here that this is for them deploying patches. The old game prior to launcher updated, the game has a built in launcher. You can bypass the launcher and it'll force you to update as well. Having this launcher is simply extra work for no good reason as i see things. I'm not saying they may not have some security plans for it or whatever but this is quite rediculous.
Lipbite Express Hauler 663	Posted - 2013.06.16 03:07:00 - [29] - Quote CCP devs must be really brave if they've attempted to develop WiS while cannot deliver even launcher. P.S. Launcher make re-start faster. I'm ok with it when it works. Few more years and EVE will have all basic features of 2002-07 games such as dye-able ships, corp emblems, etc.
Ruze Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries 341	Posted - 2013.06.16 03:32:00 - [30] - Quote Lykouleon wrote: Hurtado Soneka wrote: The server is up its just the launcher taking the **** The server just got taken offline. Hth. Also, the majority of what the launcher is isn't for our sake, it's for CCP's sake when deploying patches. The same standard is becoming the norm across the industry. HTFU and get used to it (though I do hope CCP wakes up from their horrible mistake of getting rid of our login music...jerks) That's what it comes down to. Patches. CCP, since I've been playing in 2006, has been absolutely horrid during patches. To count how many times my eve file has been corrupted and I've had to install the whole game again ... for multiple clients ... Ugh. So yeah, I like the EvE launcher. Because so far, I haven't had to deal with patch failure. Now, if they replace the character selection screen with some cool login music and this ... I'll be a far happier person. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?

ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 2603	Posted - 2013.06.16 03:42:00 - [31] - Quote Throwing my support here. Kill the launcher or allow us to bypass it altogether if there is no patch (like before). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Bru Swillis Titan Technologies Inc 5	Posted - 2013.06.16 03:42:00 - [32] - Quote Kill the launcher, kill it with fire!
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1183	Posted - 2013.06.16 04:20:00 - [33] - Quote Do not try and launch Eve with the launcher. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no launcher. Then you'll see, that it is not the launcher that runs Eve, but only Exefile.exe. HTFU!...for the children!
Dun'Gal Myriad Contractors Inc. 26	Posted - 2013.06.16 04:44:00 - [34] - Quote Launcher works fine. Next topic plz.
Warcalibre Perpeptual Event Date Corp 50	Posted - 2013.06.16 04:58:00 - [35] - Quote This launcher is better because it's wider and therefore has more place to display colorful pictures relevant to the game, like laser ravens. #CCPlogic
Hurtado Soneka Serenity Prime Kraken. 126	Posted - 2013.06.16 05:02:00 - [36] - Quote Warcalibre wrote: This launcher is better because it's wider and therefore has more place to display colorful pictures relevant to the game, like laser ravens. #CCPlogic haha right? The launcher isn't just bad, its laughably bad
Tavin Aikisen Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 202	Posted - 2013.06.16 05:04:00 - [37] - Quote I'll be happy with the launcher if it didn't mean the death of the original login screens. They were great to look at and listen to. Bring them back, please. Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind
Samuel Woodbury Veoxtrox 12	Posted - 2013.06.16 06:08:00 - [38] - Quote Heres why you need a launcher. a launcher is a like a web browser, but that CCP made, it enebles them to put in patche's small fix's when ever they want, without needing you to click download What you want is the hold launcher... killing a launch would... well ya i said it
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1274	Posted - 2013.06.16 06:52:00 - [39] - Quote The launcher looks a bit cluttered and badly composed. Make it bigger and try to make the layout easier on the eye. This is not a signature.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4186	Posted - 2013.06.16 07:19:00 - [40] - Quote Felicity Love wrote: Well, the whole mess is down now... but that's okay... it's only prime time on Saturday night in North America. That's CCP kindly pushing you to go out and do... real Saturday night activities. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel

Skorpynekomimi 518	Posted - 2013.06.16 10:23:00 - [41] - Quote I have had only one problem with it, which was easily rectified. Now, compared to the ease of updating things, and not needing to load the entire game up to get patches, I think it's very much worth it. ****
Obunagawe 138	Posted - 2013.06.16 10:50:00 - [42] - Quote I like the new bin/exefile.exe method. Now we have a generic, fixed splash screen that uses basically no resources at all compared to the resource intensive expansion-specific screens of the past. I'd be happy to stay in this limbo forever. As long as they don't remove my binlauncher, I'm happy.
Steijn Quay Industries CAStabouts 333	Posted - 2013.06.16 11:02:00 - [43] - Quote CCP said that eventually the launcher will be forced upon us as the exe.file will be removed. I therefore will look into my crystal ball and make a prediction........ .....on the day CCP remove the backdoor entry via the exe.file, these forums will miraculously go down stopping anyone commenting. If they thought WIS created a sh*tstorm, watch what removing the exe.file entry system does.
Sarmatiko 1211	Posted - 2013.06.16 11:29:00 - [44] - Quote EVE need new launcher and it's actually good for client updating (ofc if we forget for a second about already existing excellent repair tool). But feature implementation is horrible, and need of sudden forceful deployment is so unobvious that this turned into another trainwreck. We already have alternative launchers (but with unclear position from CCP about this kind of software) with useful features and minimalistic interface (because some people just want to launch the game without loading landing web page through integrated Chrome). Why this wasn't implemented in the new launcher in the first place to make this tool worthy? Also I just want to remind everyone that it looks like current CSM position about this matter can be described with "HURR DURR MY LAUNCHER WORKS FINE" statement. Take notice for future. -¥
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 362	Posted - 2013.06.16 11:38:00 - [45] - Quote Steijn wrote: CCP said that eventually the launcher will be forced upon us as the exe.file will be removed. I therefore will look into my crystal ball and make a prediction........ Actually I'm fine with this, if by then they managed to come up with a login solution that's as comfortable as the .exe file. As it is right now, the login via launcher is a rpita. Remove insurance.
Tiber Ibis Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2013.06.16 11:45:00 - [46] - Quote Hurtado Soneka wrote: I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it. Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile Am sure it uses some system resources, so if your a pauper like me on a laptop that's a pain in the ass too. CCP get it ****. Nobody likes it or needs it. Do it, do it now kill it. Thanks How about,,,,, no.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 362	Posted - 2013.06.16 11:45:00 - [47] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: We already have alternative launchers (but with unclear position from CCP about this kind of software) with useful features and minimalistic interface. Why this wasn't implemented in the new launcher in the first place to make this tool worthy? That doesn't look like a launcher I'd like. Too much mouse handling. A double click with the mouse, enter password, hit enter twice and I'm ingame, unless I need the mouse in the character screen. If character selection could be done via tab, I wouldn't even need the mouse at the character screen. Remove insurance.
Miinuri PUSC0 1	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:08:00 - [48] - Quote Confirming, launcher is rubbish and a pain to use. Always feel fuzzy inside when I get to login-screen. Please do not remove the exefile access, ever.
Alva Dyson Revenant of Silence 6	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:22:00 - [49] - Quote gargars wrote: I am not usually one to whine but seriously - get rid of the launcher. No one asked for it. We lost the splash screen/music most people liked. It is more difficult to log into multiple accounts. We often have to end up doing a bypass of it manually when it stops working. I check to see if the language changed to Russian before I use it. More ads. More downtime. How is this an improvement for the paying customer? I enjoyed the splash screen and miss it now that it is gone.
Sarmatiko 1211	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:24:00 - [50] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: That doesn't look like a launcher I'd like. Too much mouse handling. Click on "Launch tickled" button and it will instantly launch any number of clients without even asking you login/password (because you will setup this only once) One mouse click is too much for you? -¥

Evei Shard 182	Posted - 2013.06.16 15:45:00 - [51] - Quote The launcher is a clunky unwanted annoyance which created an additional step in the path to logging into this great game. Someone at CCP, likely near or at the top, is obsessed with it, and like some other things in the not too distant past, thinks they know what's best for the player base. The launcher is not about updates. Updates is the pitch they are selling the subscriber base. What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games). Much of it has to do with the trial period. Forcing the new, unsubscribed, users to be exposed to specials designed to get them to commit to the game. Once again, CCP is trying to use F2P tactics on a paying user base. This is the main reason that eveFile.exe will be "fixed". That "fix" is probably priority number 1 right now at CCP. Eve may never go F2P as some think it should, but we're sure as hell going to feel like we're in a F2P. Profit favors the prepared

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 1578	Posted - 2013.06.16 15:52:00 - [52] - Quote Hurtado Soneka wrote: I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it. Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games \| @erlendur

Sarmatiko 1211	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:00:00 - [53] - Quote Evei Shard wrote: What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games). Have to disagree here. It's funny, because with removal of in-game login screen on the second plan, CCP have removed rather effective one-time splash advertisements that existed there for ages. Now devs moved them into the corner of character selection screen, so ads can be ignored just as easily as "world news" (because let's be honest - character selection screen is not the place one would stay for too long). Of course maybe CCP internal metrics show other pictures, and minimalistic launcher ads have suddenly rised PLEX/other stuff sales through the roof.. -¥
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1099	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:18:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Hurtado Soneka wrote: I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it. Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night. dont worry if change was easy every would do it. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc 443	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:21:00 - [55] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: Evei Shard wrote: What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games). Have to disagree here. It's funny, because with removal of in-game login screen on the second plan, CCP have removed rather effective one-time splash advertisements that existed there for ages. Now devs moved them into the corner of character selection screen, so ads can be ignored just as easily as "world news" (because let's be honest - character selection screen is not the place one would stay for too long). Of course maybe CCP internal metrics show other pictures, and minimalistic launcher ads have suddenly rised PLEX/other stuff sales through the roof.. Loosing the login screen has also been a huge loss in terms of new player experience. When I make noob-friendly eve tutorial videos, or when a new player wants to try eve, it always begins at the login screen. A great music, plus a great animated background with the game engine... It's impossible to see such a thing one day with this poor launcher. G££ <= Me
Adunh Slavy 959	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:35:00 - [56] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: ... the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API ... Other than soon, when can we expect some kind of devblog about CREST? Many of us spreadsheet types that play in the market are very interested in what this might allow us to do.
Hevymetal POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance 65	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:41:00 - [57] - Quote I really don't want to beat a dead horse. /grabs baseball bat But...... I must agree this new launcher is horrid. Bad design, poor performance and useless functionality. If you must press forward with this steaming pile of bovine excrement at least continue to allow the direct execution of the game .exe so that those of us that choose to avoid it will continue to have that option.
marVLs 182	Posted - 2013.06.16 17:07:00 - [58] - Quote I want 3 things with it: 1. Better performance/optimalization 2. Saving passwords 3. Redone character lobby with expansion theme, some animations etc. overall something cool like those prototype screens with new interface etc.
Mr M Agony Unleashed 246	Posted - 2013.06.16 17:19:00 - [59] - Quote If people don't have anythign else to complain about than the launcher I think it's a pretty good day. Really. Share your experience Write for the EVE Tribune www.eve-tribune.com
Tiven loves Tansien Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 842	Posted - 2013.06.16 17:28:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night. Hello. If services -dedicated and needed to the launcher only- go down, then how was the launcher working 100%? If explorer.exe stops working all of a sudden, i blame Windows not explorer.exe

Vehestian CHICKENHAMMER 5	Posted - 2013.06.16 18:04:00 - [61] - Quote How bout an edit to include new theme/music and splash entry just like all the old awesome ones but with current launcher functionality? but yes, the current launcher has no soul.
Rynn Vendran Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2013.06.16 18:43:00 - [62] - Quote I've also noticed that when I go in via the launcher, I have to reset my graphics to max every time, but when I use the exe splash screen everything stays the way I left it. Also, the splash screen is far more aesthetically pleasing. Just my two cents of course. Hey now, hey now now, sing this corrosion to me...
Delen Ormand Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 161	Posted - 2013.06.16 19:02:00 - [63] - Quote Tiven loves Tansien wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night. Hello. If services -dedicated and needed to the launcher only- go down, then how was the launcher working 100%? If explorer.exe stops working all of a sudden, i blame Windows not explorer.exe That's really not a good analogy. For a start, I don't see where it was said the launcher was working 100%, unless you take quotes completely out of context. In context, what was said was that the launcher was not the cause of the problems.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 341	Posted - 2013.06.16 20:22:00 - [64] - Quote You all simply need to understand that the lack of a failover mode to bootstrap the client even in the event of an API failure like this is a game feature, and is working as intended. At such a time as the client is modified to prevent it from logging in without the launcher, it will then be reclassified from game feature to minor annoyance, and scheduled for correction sometime in the latter half of 2017. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter.

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 1588	Posted - 2013.06.16 20:41:00 - [65] - Quote Altrue wrote: Sarmatiko wrote: Evei Shard wrote: What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games). Have to disagree here. It's funny, because with removal of in-game login screen on the second plan, CCP have removed rather effective one-time splash advertisements that existed there for ages. Now devs moved them into the corner of character selection screen, so ads can be ignored just as easily as "world news" (because let's be honest - character selection screen is not the place one would stay for too long). Of course maybe CCP internal metrics show other pictures, and minimalistic launcher ads have suddenly rised PLEX/other stuff sales through the roof.. Loosing the login screen has also been a huge loss in terms of new player experience. When I make noob-friendly eve tutorial videos, or when a new player wants to try eve, it always begins at the login screen. A great music, plus a great animated background with the game engine... It's impossible to see such a thing one day with this poor launcher. We are planning to revamp the character selection screen to become this intro in some form to the game. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games \| @erlendur


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 1588	Posted - 2013.06.16 20:42:00 - [66] - Quote marVLs wrote: I want 3 things with it: 1. Better performance/optimalization 2. Saving passwords 3. Redone character lobby with expansion theme, some animations etc. overall something cool like those prototype screens with new interface etc. Most certainly on our radar for improvements. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games \| @erlendur


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 1588	Posted - 2013.06.16 20:43:00 - [67] - Quote Tiven loves Tansien wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night. Hello. If services -dedicated and needed to the launcher only- go down, then how was the launcher working 100%? If explorer.exe stops working all of a sudden, i blame Windows not explorer.exe The EVE Universe CREST API is used by the DUST Client to communicate with TQ, this is not a service only for the EVE Launcher. This service needs and should have a high uptime. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games \| @erlendur

Droidyk Maniacal Miners INC The Omega Industries 30	Posted - 2013.06.16 20:44:00 - [68] - Quote We want the login screen and music back!!!, I loved it. And its going to be something that will everyone miss if you dont get rid of the launcher.
Tiber Ibis Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2013.06.16 20:47:00 - [69] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Tiven loves Tansien wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night. Hello. If services -dedicated and needed to the launcher only- go down, then how was the launcher working 100%? If explorer.exe stops working all of a sudden, i blame Windows not explorer.exe The EVE Universe CREST API is used by the DUST Client to communicate with TQ, this is not a service only for the EVE Launcher. This service needs and should have a high uptime. People seem to like to blame everything on the launcher at the moment. Personally I would like to see the launcher saving my passwords and perhaps able to log into multiple accounts at once. Eg, the launcher is awesome and I don't want it scrapped.
sens1 Conditioned Response 3	Posted - 2013.06.16 21:24:00 - [70] - Quote Altrue wrote: Loosing the login screen has also been a huge loss in terms of new player experience. When I make noob-friendly eve tutorial videos, or when a new player wants to try eve, it always begins at the login screen. A great music, plus a great animated background with the game engine... It's impossible to see such a thing one day with this poor launcher. I really miss the music & graphic, was all excited for the Odyssey one!

Angelhunter Conquering Darkness 23	Posted - 2013.06.16 21:30:00 - [71] - Quote This Launcher is slowly becoming one of the most hated things CCP has ever put on Eve players. Though i doubt it will ever be as infamous as WiS maybe if we keep threadnaughting it, they will make a change? Kill the new launcher, doomsday that piece of crap. Oh and if you take away my exe file i will be less than pleased.
Ruze Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries 344	Posted - 2013.06.16 21:39:00 - [72] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Altrue wrote: Sarmatiko wrote: Evei Shard wrote: What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games). Have to disagree here. It's funny, because with removal of in-game login screen on the second plan, CCP have removed rather effective one-time splash advertisements that existed there for ages. Now devs moved them into the corner of character selection screen, so ads can be ignored just as easily as "world news" (because let's be honest - character selection screen is not the place one would stay for too long). Of course maybe CCP internal metrics show other pictures, and minimalistic launcher ads have suddenly rised PLEX/other stuff sales through the roof.. Loosing the login screen has also been a huge loss in terms of new player experience. When I make noob-friendly eve tutorial videos, or when a new player wants to try eve, it always begins at the login screen. A great music, plus a great animated background with the game engine... It's impossible to see such a thing one day with this poor launcher. We are planning to revamp the character selection screen to become this intro in some form to the game. Character selection screen revamp? Yes please! That said ... - 'Switch Characters' option that takes us to character selection screen, NOT the launcher. - 'Remember Password' option for the launcher that lets us skip typing the nuts in every time. Some of us are creative. - A focus on the character selection screen on the player's active ship, as well as the character, since we're constantly being told that EvE is a game about spaceships. Maybe putting the characters active ship as the focus of the screen instead of the abomination that is that horrible avatar (/sarcasm). - Being able to manage, update and launch multiple accounts on different screens from one launcher would be 'AMAZING'. - Incorporating character-info applications in the launcher, including evemail reading, chat browser, skill reader (and manager, possibly?) and other usability options. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
laassaalos Kiblos Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1	Posted - 2013.06.16 21:46:00 - [73] - Quote Sorry, but the new launcher is better for switching between alts. Please keep it. I only have to enter my log in details once when I log onto an alt on the same account. Screw pretty pictures - people use ship spinning, why? Cos it is faster! End of discussion. Stop whining and enjoy the performance increase, and in an area where EVE really needs it. Seriously this game and logging in and out of accounts and alts is a joke!
Maraner The Executioners Capital Punishment. 262	Posted - 2013.06.16 21:59:00 - [74] - Quote HATE the launcher. Give me back my login in screen. I keep logging my toons out when I want to start another client. Plus I miss the old log in screens. It's a ****** looking thing as well. Another half baked half arsed apparently vulnerable release (golf clap). KILL IT WITH FIRE.
Ken 1138 Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 51	Posted - 2013.06.16 22:03:00 - [75] - Quote I loved the way the game started for each expansion since I've been playing, now all we have is an cold clunky launcher like every other game. Don't be like other games CCP bring it back, and we will still love you. Also could you work-in the patching system to the former start system?
Hurtado Soneka Serenity Prime Kraken. 152	Posted - 2013.06.16 22:50:00 - [76] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Hurtado Soneka wrote: I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it. Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night. Thanks for the input, and am not an expert on these things so I wont comment on the cause of network problems, but my beef is with the launcher, its a damn annoyance and would like either it be swept under the carpet or at least an option that allows me to bypass it completely and move to the old style splash screen.
Smohq Anmirorz State War Academy Caldari State 94	Posted - 2013.06.16 23:00:00 - [77] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Hurtado Soneka wrote: I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it. Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night. You're not convincing anyone with that. When the launcher does not work but using the .exe file gets you into the game, it makes the launcher look very guilty.
Smohq Anmirorz State War Academy Caldari State 94	Posted - 2013.06.16 23:01:00 - [78] - Quote Well, that and I just plain don't like the launcher. The only one was better.
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 2009	Posted - 2013.06.16 23:15:00 - [79] - Quote signed. launcher is garbage. to avoid using it, just use the ExeFile.exe in the bin folder of your EVE install and you can log in the old better way.
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 262	Posted - 2013.06.16 23:32:00 - [80] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Hurtado Soneka wrote: I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it. Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night. Sooo in layman terms this means that it wasn't the launchers fault but was caused by the launcher? Ok then, kill the launcher and all the crap code it rode in on. Please....with sugar on top.

Kaidan Maulerant Viventes in Spatio 0	Posted - 2013.06.16 23:43:00 - [81] - Quote As said before, removing the login screen is a huge loss for new player experience. I've written about it in other threads, the point is: Bring the login screen back. That's it. I don't have idea why would you change something as simple as login screen and introduce a launcher.
Ruze Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries 344	Posted - 2013.06.16 23:58:00 - [82] - Quote Kaidan Maulerant wrote: As said before, removing the login screen is a huge loss for new player experience. I've written about it in other threads, the point is: Bring the login screen back. That's it. I don't have idea why would you change something as simple as login screen and introduce a launcher. The reason you don't have any idea on that, is probably cause you haven't really been listening to them from before the launcher was even launched. They needed to change the way patching was handled, completely, and the old login screen didn't allow that to happen. The old launcher could have, but that still meant logging into the old launcher, then the login screen, before ever getting in the game. They couldn't release frequent patches because so many players just outright skipped the old launcher anyhow, and would come to these forums complaining because something got corrupt. So they made the launcher. Single Sign On. It also doesn't hurt that it played havoc on some of the more popular bot programs for a short time, and if they remove the .exe file, they can really neuter many of the bot programs out there. It might just be my opinion, but I'd rather have frequent and reliable game updates than fewer patches that more often then not go corrupt and break the game. AND ... they are going to have expansion-specific character select screens. CCP Explorer said as much in this very post. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Xen Solarus Inner 5phere 437	Posted - 2013.06.17 00:02:00 - [83] - Quote I also miss the login screen, with its awesome backdrop and epic music. Now its just the cold character selection screen. It was actually one of the things i loved to experience with the addition of new expansions. Can i assume it's just going to be nothing from now on? Though i dont have a problem with the new launcher, i must say that switching between characters takes longer. Even when the client gives you the option of "restart" or "quit" after a safe-logout, restart doesn't do anything and has exactly the same function as quit. Also having more than one client now takes longer to start, as you have to rely on the single launcher to run them one at a time, whereas before you could open multiple clients with a simple double click of different shortcuts. Though overall, its a definate improvement on patching speed! Post with your main, like a BOSS!
Whim Aqayn Ministry of War Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.06.17 00:04:00 - [84] - Quote Yep, get rid of the launcher and bring back the login screen.
Contract Mule Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.17 00:35:00 - [85] - Quote The launcher wasn't released for people to have a better time playing this game. The launcher was released so CCP could deliver patches to us in an easier manner (and it is). I'm sure multiple account support will come very soon (Hopefully)
Angelhunter Conquering Darkness 25	Posted - 2013.06.17 00:39:00 - [86] - Quote Just wanted to add, i patch just fine going through the Exe file, so again i ask, why do we still have this POS launcher? Kill the Launcher
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 3719	Posted - 2013.06.17 01:07:00 - [87] - Quote How I would like the launcher to work: I launch EVE Online EVE launches: intro screen possibly showing one of the traditional "this promotion of our latest PLEX sale in an attempt to curb PLEX prices will show only once" ads over the animated & musical intro screen fades in to the account/character/settings UI I select the accounts I want to log in, which characters to use, which settings to use, window layout to use, click "Play" all the EVE clients launch, with characters already selected, with the settings I chose, with windows positioned as requested The important bit at the beginning being that the animated intro screen is visible and audible the whole time, until I click "Play" at which point animation and music stop. The character & settings UI could be toggled in much the same way as the system info & route info panels in-game. I like the basic idea of the launcher: log in at launch, the space simulator opens up with the character selected already. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
EnslaverOfMinmatar You gonna get aped 64	Posted - 2013.06.17 04:06:00 - [88] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: We are planning to revamp the character selection screen to become this intro in some form to the game. Great.. which lvl 5 skill would you recommend when that'll happen? Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3699	Posted - 2013.06.17 05:05:00 - [89] - Quote Angelhunter wrote: Just wanted to add, i patch just fine going through the Exe file, so again i ask, why do we still have this POS launcher? Kill the Launcher Soon they'll upgrade the exe file to no longer have that or something. So there'll be no old system. I am a nullsec zealot.
Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 494	Posted - 2013.06.17 05:11:00 - [90] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Angelhunter wrote: Just wanted to add, i patch just fine going through the Exe file, so again i ask, why do we still have this POS launcher? Kill the Launcher Soon they'll upgrade the exe file to no longer have that or something. So there'll be no old system. They should even if it's only for the lulz.

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3699	Posted - 2013.06.17 05:21:00 - [91] - Quote We wouldn't have these issues like "the launcher doesn't work but using the exefile connects just fine" if the exefile couldn't run without the launcher. I am a nullsec zealot.
BoBoZoBo Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team 237	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:12:00 - [92] - Quote +1 For modifying it There is no reason I should have to PLAY twice. Just let me select the character, enter password.. PLAY and login, then I can quickly switch to the other toon and enter password and PLAY. Having to go back to switch characters is a real pain in the @ss. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite
Rear Admiral Barrington Turalyon Plus 0	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:46:00 - [93] - Quote The launcher is horrible for switching characters on the same account, which is doubly stupid because the new dual training means people will have to do that more than they used to.
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 1926	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:05:00 - [94] - Quote Switching characters has always been pretty horrible, IMO. The current form was pretty badly broken on release - should not have been released in that state, IMO. But now it runs fairly smoothly - for me at least. Would prefer not to have to deal with the Launcher, but there are architeture and logistics reasons why it's a reasonable tool. There are other ways to do what it does, but frankly I think y'all would hate those much more than the Launcher as it is. I would like to see some work done on the human-factors aspects of the launcher - It's still pretty clunky, though I understand its presence. Sorry folks - Software can do many things, but it cannot be all things to everyone. Rather thant trying to Lynch the Launcher, bend your efferts towards forcing CCP to spend some dev time on making it less clunky and maybe a bit more attractive. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4274	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:27:00 - [95] - Quote Quote: I don't understand This one phrase in the OP pretty much sums up this thread. silens vesica summed it up pretty nicely in the post above mine. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Pitrolo Orti Caldari Provisions Caldari State 76	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:31:00 - [96] - Quote Hate the launcher!!! Kill it!!! Rabble Rabble Rabble! Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
Sarmatiko 1215	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:39:00 - [97] - Quote silens vesica wrote: bend your efferts towards forcing CCP to spend some dev time on making it less clunky and maybe a bit more attractive. And we will see results of those efforts when exactly? It's not a secret that summer is an hibernate AT/summer vacations period for CCP and EVE development. So we can carefully assume that next feature iterations for EVE launcher will come not earlier than in September\October. If that is true, then I wonder, why new launcher was pushed so forcefully before Odyssey, causing negative public reaction, if it simply could have been waited until autumn time or Winter expansion? -¥
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band 705	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:14:00 - [98] - Quote marVLs wrote: I want 3 things with it: 2. Saving passwords your second point is irrelevant as a comparison complaint the old launcher/log in screen combo did not remember passwords either old system Launcher -> log in screen -> character selection new system Launcher -> character selection the new system remembers different account names, just like the old one did the new system allows for multiboxing, just like the old one did the new system is more streamlined, and uses a torrent process for patching afaik
Jimmy Morane Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's 14	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:01:00 - [99] - Quote I was fortunate to join the game a few weeks before they rolled out the launcher. I can tell you that the old login screen really got me hooked. When I saw the new launcher I said what the hell is this? It's cheap looking, clunky, and all around been a nuisance since it's installation. To those that say it has a purpose for patching, fine, I will deal with it, but it's a shame that new players won't have that initial 'wow' moment when they login for the first time like I did.
Sarmatiko 1215	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:17:00 - [100] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: the new system remembers different account names, just like the old one did Remembering passwords is more useful for faster logins. And this was not implemented in supposedly "new" launcher. Quote: the new system allows for multiboxing, just like the old one did Exefile also "allows for multiboxing" in the same primitive way like in new launcher. You can start as many eve instances as you like, and login manually in all of them. This is not "multibox friendly". Check eve-mlp UI screenshot to understand what exactly people demand from multibox friendly game launcher (one-click-launch-all-accounts, save passwords, different preferences for each client/account instance etc) Quote: the new system is more streamlined, and uses a torrent process for patching afaik No it's not. At least for now. "New launcher" in a nutshell is basically zsync based Repair tool with Crome browser for UI and SSO for login. People rised valid concern - why this launcher was forced now, if all new features will arrive only in unknown distant future? SSO mass test because Sisi feedback wasn't good enough? -¥

silens vesica Corsair Cartel 1931	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:28:00 - [101] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: silens vesica wrote: bend your efferts towards forcing CCP to spend some dev time on making it less clunky and maybe a bit more attractive. And we will see results of those efforts when exactly? It's not a secret that summer is an hibernate AT/summer vacations period for CCP and EVE development. So we can carefully assume that next feature iterations for EVE launcher will come not earlier than in September\October. If that is true, then I wonder, why new launcher was pushed so forcefully before Odyssey, causing negative public reaction, if it simply could have been waited until autumn time or Winter expansion? Who knows when we might get an updated version? I certainly don't know - But I DO know that if we waste time trying to reverse a made-and-comitted decision, we'll get nothing. And I know that if we don't take steps towards focussing CCP's attention, we'll again get nothing. So - Don't try to hold back the tide with a sand shovel. Instead, use that shovel to dig a channel to direct where the tide goes. It ain' much, but it's better than complete futility. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4275	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:29:00 - [102] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: the new system remembers different account names, just like the old one did Remembering passwords is more useful for faster logins. And this was not implemented in supposedly "new" launcher. Quote: the new system allows for multiboxing, just like the old one did Exefile also "allows for multiboxing" in the same primitive way like in new launcher. You can start as many eve instances as you like, and login manually in all of them. This is not "multibox friendly". Check eve-mlp UI screenshot to understand what exactly people demand from multibox friendly game launcher (one-click-launch-all-accounts, save passwords, different preferences for each client/account instance etc) Quote: the new system is more streamlined, and uses a torrent process for patching afaik No it's not. At least for now. "New launcher" in a nutshell is basically zsync based Repair tool with Crome browser for UI and SSO for login. People rised valid concern - why this launcher was forced now, if all new features will arrive only in unknown distant future? SSO mass test because Sisi feedback wasn't good enough? Sarmatiko I think they probably wanted to get this bare bones version out in the wild to work the kinks out of it now, so that they would have a stable framework in place to build on this fall. Apparently they intend to bring most of the more advanced (and multibox friendly) features out incrimentally... which considering the hicups they are having is probably a wise choice. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band 705	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:32:00 - [103] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: the new system remembers different account names, just like the old one did Remembering passwords is more useful for faster logins. And this was not implemented in supposedly "new" launcher. but your complaining that you want the old launcher back because the new launcher does not do this neither did the old launcher it makes your argument pointless and stupid
advii Kossu and Keppana Inc. 23	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:46:00 - [104] - Quote First you take away our jukebox and make us wormhole/nullsec/lowsec dwellers listen to depressing whale singing for all eternity and now you take away our login screen and replace it with a soulless launcher filled with ads? Do you understand the emotional value of these things at CCP? Logging in and first hearing the login music and then Miner Stories or Red Glowing Dust used to get me so pumped to play this game. Nowadays? Boring launcher and whale songs all over. BRING BACK OUR LOGIN SCREEN!!!
Dorion Strag Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:32:00 - [105] - Quote I dislike the new launcher because it takes me slightly longer when I want to log into multiple accounts but, I'll get over it.
Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 407	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:01:00 - [106] - Quote CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
Xercodo Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering 2414	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:21:00 - [107] - Quote Turelus wrote: CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect) The Drake is a Lie
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 2259	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:29:00 - [108] - Quote Xercodo wrote: Turelus wrote: CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect) Right. It's the launcher failing at what we need it to do. What it will do in the future is immaterial. Its present condition is a failure. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Xercodo Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering 2414	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:39:00 - [109] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: Xercodo wrote: Turelus wrote: CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect) Right. It's the launcher failing at what we need it to do. What it will do in the future is immaterial. Its present condition is a failure. And that is where I can agree in it's failure. Otherwise I'm liking it. Hell, last few bug fix patches we downloaded and installed before I even got my 16 character password typed in :D And since I'm using a same-account alt a bit more for my tutorial live streams it's be SOOOO convenient to swap characters. I can only sympathize, not empathize with you multi-boxers so all I can say is that it's coming Soon(tm). As for the question, "Why did they push this out now?" Well they needed to get it live to really stress it and catch all the bugs a things they didn't catch before. And they needed it to start doing SSO. SSO was important because they're using it to provide better integration with steam. So, at the root of it all it was likely a business decision more than a functional one. Their highest priority business-wise was to get SSO working an live. The convenience features can be done later but SSO was a vital thing. It just so happened that being able to do quick character swapping from rebooting the client from the already logged in launcher kinda fell out of it. The Drake is a Lie
Jonn Hakuli Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:41:00 - [110] - Quote Dantivio wrote: i want the launcher gone so we can have unique login music again. i looked forward to that every expansion. remember how awesome incarna and incursion music was? ^ This! The login screens were awesome and gave a nice feel of immersion when lauching the game. I don't really mind the new launcher, but the lack of a new screen in Odyssey was a HUGE let down for me.

Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 2259	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:44:00 - [111] - Quote Xercodo wrote: Darth Gustav wrote: Xercodo wrote: Turelus wrote: CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect) Right. It's the launcher failing at what we need it to do. What it will do in the future is immaterial. Its present condition is a failure. And that is where I can agree in it's failure. Otherwise I'm liking it. Hell, last few bug fix patches we downloaded and installed before I even got my 16 character password typed in :D And since I'm using a same-account alt a bit more for my tutorial live streams it's be SOOOO convenient to swap characters. I can only sympathize, not empathize with you multi-boxers so all I can say is that it's coming Soon(tm). As for the question, "Why did they push this out now?" Well they needed to get it live to really stress it and catch all the bugs a things they didn't catch before. And they needed it to start doing SSO. SSO was important because they're using it to provide better integration with steam. So, at the root of it all it was likely a business decision more than a functional one. Their highest priority business-wise was to get SSO working an live. The convenience features can be done later but SSO was a vital thing. It just so happened that being able to do quick character swapping from rebooting the client from the already logged in launcher kinda fell out of it. Translation: CCP thought it was good business to offload bad beta-grade software on its customers. Again. The launcher and its tie-in to the CREST API being broken like day 2 make it more functionally like alpha-grade software, at best. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4277	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:46:00 - [112] - Quote Jonn Hakuli wrote: Dantivio wrote: i want the launcher gone so we can have unique login music again. i looked forward to that every expansion. remember how awesome incarna and incursion music was? ^ This! The login screens were awesome and gave a nice feel of immersion when lauching the game. I don't really mind the new launcher, but the lack of a new screen in Odyssey was a HUGE let down for me. I miss expansion dedicated log in screens as well, however there is still "unique login music" on the character selection screen I believe. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4277	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:49:00 - [113] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: Xercodo wrote: Darth Gustav wrote: Xercodo wrote: Turelus wrote: CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect) Right. It's the launcher failing at what we need it to do. What it will do in the future is immaterial. Its present condition is a failure. And that is where I can agree in it's failure. Otherwise I'm liking it. Hell, last few bug fix patches we downloaded and installed before I even got my 16 character password typed in :D And since I'm using a same-account alt a bit more for my tutorial live streams it's be SOOOO convenient to swap characters. I can only sympathize, not empathize with you multi-boxers so all I can say is that it's coming Soon(tm). As for the question, "Why did they push this out now?" Well they needed to get it live to really stress it and catch all the bugs a things they didn't catch before. And they needed it to start doing SSO. SSO was important because they're using it to provide better integration with steam. So, at the root of it all it was likely a business decision more than a functional one. Their highest priority business-wise was to get SSO working an live. The convenience features can be done later but SSO was a vital thing. It just so happened that being able to do quick character swapping from rebooting the client from the already logged in launcher kinda fell out of it. Translation: CCP thought it was good business to offload bad beta-grade software on its customers. Again. The launcher and its tie-in to the CREST API being broken like day 2 make it more functionally like alpha-grade software, at best. The first time it went down was due to a ddos attack on the login server, the second time was due to the CREST API connection which is actually more tied to DUST. Neither occurance had anything to do with the launcher itself failing. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4277	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:51:00 - [114] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: Xercodo wrote: Turelus wrote: CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect) Right. It's the launcher failing at what we need it to do. What it will do in the future is immaterial. Its present condition is a failure. Darth, that's a pretty silly statement. The future is far from immaterial. Get the basic structure out there and stable, with an emphasis on mission critical elements... then add the nice little perks as time allows. This hardly seems like a bad implimentation strategy. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Humera Hekard Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.06.17 21:00:00 - [115] - Quote marVLs wrote: I want 3 things with it: 1. Better performance/optimalization 2. Saving passwords 3. Redone character lobby with expansion theme, some animations etc. overall something cool like those prototype screens with new interface etc. Agreed on all counts - especially #1 - the launcher needs a much smaller footprint and not be bloated in terms of size and CPU use.
Ersahi Kir Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance 188	Posted - 2013.06.17 21:15:00 - [116] - Quote I've been using the new launcher for 3 or 4 weeks and I still don't like it. The intellisense on the account selection sucks balls too. It keeps trying to select another account when I type in the account name exactly. Just stop wasting dev time changing features and removing things that people actually like and use. And I want my damn jukebox back.
Ruze Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries 357	Posted - 2013.06.17 21:39:00 - [117] - Quote Again, to reiterate earlier posts: If they theme the character selection screen and make it more robust like I linked earlier in the thread, this could really help those who miss the old login screen for it's nostalgia factor. They could obviously further improve the launcher in handling multiple accounts, screens and clients with greater functionality, as well as give it a lot of teeth in streamlining logoffs and account/character switching. So much could be done. But if anybody here knows CCP, simply reversing what they've done is not going to happen. No, seriously. You can stop them from going further forward, but you can't get them to go backward unless it kills the server ... and then they'd only work harder to make ti work. Better to come up with legitimate suggestions and helpful advice, because CCP can be real stubborn about these things. And I have a sneaking suspicion that there's more behind the launcher than improved patching and 'ooh, new code'. We'll probably only find that out after this CSM moves on and certain NDA expire. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 408	Posted - 2013.06.18 05:51:00 - [118] - Quote Xercodo wrote: Turelus wrote: CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect) The problem is these issues were bought to CCP's attention during testing. Having a launcher that has no support or ease of use for players with muiltiple accounts is just stupid when alt accounts are a huge part of this game. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
Yummy Chocolate Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:42:00 - [119] - Quote launcher is fine L2P
Guile SONICBOOM Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.06.18 09:42:00 - [120] - Quote Like Adam Jensen says: I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS. The launcher is just another tedious hassles that annoys you every-time you log in.

Linna Baresi 10	Posted - 2013.06.18 09:54:00 - [121] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Darth Gustav wrote: Xercodo wrote: Turelus wrote: CCP should be able to tell the launcher failed for the simple fact everyone just started launching the game from the bin folder. I have three accounts, I had shortcuts to each account on my desktop and ran them as Junctions listed here. After the new launcher that no longer worked and I would need to choose the account and log in with the password every time just to launch the game for all my accounts. So I went with the bin folders and just skip the launcher, because it causes me more annoyance than just having three shortcuts and a log in screen. Yeah but that isn't really the launcher failing at what is was meant to do. In the future it'll be built to cater to a case just like yours with multiple account login on the launcher main page (or something to that effect) Right. It's the launcher failing at what we need it to do. What it will do in the future is immaterial. Its present condition is a failure. Darth, that's a pretty silly statement. The future is far from immaterial. Get the basic structure out there and get it stable, with an emphasis on mission critical elements... then add the nice little perks as time allows. This hardly seems like a bad implimentation strategy. A couple of brief hicups aside the launcher currently does everything we NEED it to do now. The really nice features will just take a bit longer. It's more than a FEW hiccups, and I'd not call 1+ hours brief... And what 'nice' new features? Links to Facebook? Show-and-share-all-your-online-friends functions? I've seen those (briefly) appear in other games' launchers, only to be ditched, sometimes after massive user protests about invasion of privacy... For me, the launcher crashes after each use and has to be removed manually. It's very slow to load (on a fast gaming desktop) and it often doesn't accurately display the server status. I'm less than thrilled. Member of <Fated> since 2003 fated.europefreeforum.com
Smoking Blunts ZC Industries Dark Stripes 593	Posted - 2013.06.18 11:51:00 - [122] - Quote Contract Mule wrote: The launcher wasn't released for people to have a better time playing this game. The launcher was released so CCP could deliver patches to us in an easier manner (and it is). I'm sure multiple account support will come very soon (Hopefully) the last launcher had both features. the replacement can only just about do patches OMG when can i get a pic here
Rommiee Mercury Inc. 624	Posted - 2013.06.18 11:54:00 - [123] - Quote Just in case people cannot find the original (39 pages atm) thread regarding how bad the launcher is, CCP have moved it so that its difficult to find, in the vain hope that people will stop complaining. It is here now here: EVE Technology and Research Center -+ Issues, Workarounds & Localization -+ The new launcher and the web server issues
Kamii Yo Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.06.18 12:14:00 - [124] - Quote CCP Please bring back the old launcher. Why do you do this to loyal customers?
First Star Wolf Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.18 12:16:00 - [125] - Quote must agree old launcher worked fine, dont fix what aint broke
Certified Accountant Quantam Dynamic Eternal Alchemy 0	Posted - 2013.06.18 12:27:00 - [126] - Quote Len Ross wrote: forever to keep verifying game, writing overlapping, ad ridden buggy launcher, hard to swap characters on the same account without having to restart the whole thing. Its making you look like amateurs. Remove it or fix it. And sack the idiot who programed it and the one who approved its deployment. Why have a restart button.... if it does not work. The default option does not even turn off the launcher after you start the game. I would think CCP would have stats showing how many people just bypass the launcher unless they are required to patch.
Maraner The Executioners Capital Punishment. 269	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:11:00 - [127] - Quote pretty standard tactic on CCP's part to move a thread they dont like. The usual poor implementation that will likely eventually become just about ok. Unless it gets killed off. Just for once I'd like to see CCP step up and say sorry guys, this isn't working out, we are rolling it back. But no. Stupid bloody mess. I hate that **** when I log in.
Hevymetal POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance 67	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:33:00 - [128] - Quote Anyone else have their account names cache cleared out of the launcher after the patch today? Clicked on the down arrow after the patch and nada :(
Sans Sonic Leon EVE University Ivy League 8	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:34:00 - [129] - Quote I launch eve directly from the exefile.exe, launcher just brings unnecessary lag.
Dracnys 22	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:19:00 - [130] - Quote The launcher doesn't do anything for us! Do away with it and give us a login screen to enjoy! Half of the fun of a new expansion was the login screen and music!

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 263	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:49:00 - [131] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: marVLs wrote: I want 3 things with it: 1. Better performance/optimalization 2. Saving passwords 3. Redone character lobby with expansion theme, some animations etc. overall something cool like those prototype screens with new interface etc. Most certainly on our radar for improvements. I just want to be able to run multiple launchers, would make getting back in game much quicker after a dc. You can trust me, I have a monocole
KwaLevu PH0ENIX COMPANY Tribal Band 4	Posted - 2013.06.19 01:29:00 - [132] - Quote anyone stuck at 0.0 % validate ??
Hevymetal POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance 67	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:20:00 - [133] - Quote Dracnys wrote: The launcher doesn't do anything for us! Sure it does, It frustrates and annoys us Dracnys wrote: Do away with it and give us a login screen to enjoy! Half of the fun of a new expansion was the login screen and music! Agreed
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 2506	Posted - 2013.06.19 07:11:00 - [134] - Quote Ya know what a government does when it's resisting budgetary reform? They don't cut the bureaucracy. They cut sanitation services, parks services, and police. Not because there are any real money gains to be made there... but because people see it and it hurts their quality of life. It's a way of distracting from the real problems... and it works almost every time (good luck Brazil!). Who cares about the launcher? Don't we have bigger fish to fry? ModularPOS's Reason to live in null Doors that never open Priorities people. (GÇó_GÇó) ( GÇó_GÇó)>GîÉGûá-Gûá (GîÉGûá_Gûá)
Rommiee Mercury Inc. 625	Posted - 2013.06.19 09:02:00 - [135] - Quote Maraner wrote: Just for once I'd like to see CCP step up and say sorry guys, this isn't working out, we are rolling it back. They have done this once, after the CQ disaster This also prompted a promise to never let that happen again....some quotes from tha blog, which demonstartes how worthless and misleading that apology was... Quote: "A Humbler, Stronger CCP" Quote: What I can say for now is that weGÇÖve taken action to ensure these mistakes are never repeated. We have reexamined our processes, hired experienced industry professionals for key leadership positions, reassessed our priorities, moved personnel around and, above all else, recognized our limitations. Quote: EVE is still unique in the real and virtual world. This is our vision for her, and we want so badly to take you there. But getting there is not an entitlement. It will take hard work, open communication and, above all else, collaboration with you. The greatest lesson for me is the realization that EVE belongs to you, and we at CCP are just the hosts of your experience. When we channel our passion for EVE constructively, we can make this vision a reality together. All of those, a complete load of bollox, tbh. And then you have the all-time classic..... Quote: GÇ£ItGÇÖs not what you say, itGÇÖs what you do,GÇ¥ that will make the difference here. From now on, CCP will focus on doing what we say and saying what we do. That is the path to restoring trust and moving forward. The biggest pile of crap ever spoken. Priceless
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3710	Posted - 2013.06.19 09:59:00 - [136] - Quote Rommiee wrote: They have done this once, after the CQ disaster This also prompted a promise to never let that happen again....some quotes from tha blog, which demonstartes how worthless and misleading that apology was... Quote: "A Humbler, Stronger CCP" Quote: What I can say for now is that weGÇÖve taken action to ensure these mistakes are never repeated. We have reexamined our processes, hired experienced industry professionals for key leadership positions, reassessed our priorities, moved personnel around and, above all else, recognized our limitations. Quote: EVE is still unique in the real and virtual world. This is our vision for her, and we want so badly to take you there. But getting there is not an entitlement. It will take hard work, open communication and, above all else, collaboration with you. The greatest lesson for me is the realization that EVE belongs to you, and we at CCP are just the hosts of your experience. When we channel our passion for EVE constructively, we can make this vision a reality together. All of those, a complete load of bollox, tbh. And then you have the all-time classic..... Quote: GÇ£ItGÇÖs not what you say, itGÇÖs what you do,GÇ¥ that will make the difference here. From now on, CCP will focus on doing what we say and saying what we do. That is the path to restoring trust and moving forward. The biggest pile of crap ever spoken. Priceless Well they were clear about the jumping animation: "there is no old system" Maybe next they need to be open about their desire to drive the newandimproved launcher down our throats, with something like: "there is no old launcher" The bin exe file is not the launcher you are looking for. I am a nullsec zealot.
Kreeia Dgore The Academy of Faith 61	Posted - 2013.06.19 10:09:00 - [137] - Quote I don't know why they implemented the launcher in the first place. It didn't help anything, and so far CCP was more about functional solutions, or at least aimed to be one. I stil remember the starting screen of incarna ane enjoyed the others and it was the most functional solution for having multiple accounts one can find. But now? First some ***** stole my ~~bike~~ jukebox and now I need quite long to log in my accounts. And no nice starting screen to compensate! Come on CCP, you used to be cool.
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 55	Posted - 2013.06.19 10:15:00 - [138] - Quote I've noticed that CCP has given us a new theme tune for when we log in, but I've yet to hear it all the way through, as as soon as I/we log in we go into the game.
Phoenix Bibbs Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 34	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:39:00 - [139] - Quote You people complain too much.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1339	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:53:00 - [140] - Quote The old login screen was minimalist and shared the atmosphere of the game. The launcher looks like a generic hunk of software with all kinds of text and bars and indications all over it. It took something that was good about starting up EVE and replaced it with a generic hunk of garbage that looks bad and functions poorly.

Maraner The Executioners Capital Punishment. 270	Posted - 2013.06.20 01:11:00 - [141] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: The old login screen was minimalist and shared the atmosphere of the game. The launcher looks like a generic hunk of software with all kinds of text and bars and indications all over it. It took something that was good about starting up EVE and replaced it with a generic hunk of garbage that looks bad and functions poorly. Very salient point. They took something most of us liked - the old splash screen / login and replaced it with a buggy, annoying poorly functioning, unasked for and unloved generic tedious piece of ****. clap...........clap............clap..............clap Well done indeed. Would CCP like to comment? no? would one of the dev's actually like to say for the record that they prefer the launcher over the old way to log in? Go on. Do it.
skuggan Rooks and Kings 4	Posted - 2013.06.20 15:12:00 - [142] - Quote I just launch from the ExeFile as Iv'e always done. But it's very annoying that patches (which occur every day) force opens the god damn launcher every time. I'm sure they can make a launcher that runs in the background with zero to none performance impact, and actually remembers that you don't wanna see that piece of **** window. I mean, didnt CCP send stuff into space? how hard can it be... I might change my mind if the launcher some time actually get good (or any) benefit for multiboxing, but as it is now, its just another annoying window. Failfitting since 2003
Zeb DaMadMan2 Midgets With Machetes F.E.R.A.L 7	Posted - 2013.06.24 17:39:00 - [143] - Quote Bump, cause I miss the splash screen. :( "As soon as we stop asking about the launcher design, CCP will assume we already love it. We won't." - Eve Community
De'Veldrin East India Ore Trade The East India Co. 1615	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:42:00 - [144] - Quote The launcher does what it's supposed to do - make sure you have an up to date client and launch the game. Mine will even launch the game on separate screens depending on which shortcut I use to open the launcher. Honestly the only thing I'd like to see is the ability have multiple launchers open at the same time, so I can log into each account one time, and then launch additional clients as needed. I pay CCP to be able to play Eve. I, like the honey badger, have no fucks to give the login screen. I don't care if it's written in swahili as long as I can use it to log in and do what I wanted to do in the first place - play Eve Online. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain.
Caldari Citizen 20120308 State War Academy Caldari State 25	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:48:00 - [145] - Quote There's absolutely nothing wrong with the current launcher. Maybe you should post on every alt to make a point like the couple of players with **** pc's about the jump animation.


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