I talked to just such a person.
He had over 500m in his cargo hold.

Why aren't you simply scanning these sites down yourself and setting up cloaked ambushes.
So much isk for so very little effort.

Unless you're a slow scanner and just annoyed at your competition cherry picking your sites! ;)

You somehow seem to understimate that relic and data sites don't generate any isk by itself. They just generate items that other players do have to buy.

I saw similar comment a few days ago but what frigging sense does that make? Drop chance from wreck is 50%. Economic nonsense when i can run sites myself instead. Not to mention i would have to fit my ship for fast lock time to catch a frig, compromising my own ability to run sites.



No **** Sherlock, hence it's bad for income that its easily farmable with no effort and skills by everyone and his dog.

That it is way too easy. No single man should be able to hack in null sec, no unprotected frigate should be able to hack in low sec. Low sec should require at least a semi decent cruiser able to fend off the currently non existent guardians of the site, while null sec should require a dedicated combat ship to defeat guardians at the site.

Are you mad because new players can train for covert ops, and compete with old players?

With the removal of NPC's in data/relic sites, the "old players" are now as good at their "profession" as new players.

Scanning and hacking should be the most important skills for data and relic sites, not the amount of sp you have i missile/gunnery skills or whether or not you can fly a T2 or T3 cruiser.

I don't disagree with the no guns necessary approach per se. But then CCP should add new skills and ships for hacking to raise the entry barrier for the harder sites. Before Odyssey there were hisec radar sites with battleships in them. Now the entry barrier is so low that even noob with skills at 3 or 4 and t1 frig can run sites in nullsec. That's ridiculous and unless you have an agenda of your own like being one of those low skilled frig explorers or a t2 rig producer it shouldn't be difficult to see why it is a problem. You wouldn't defend it if every combat mission or plex in the game could be run in a t1 frig.

You wouldn't defend it if every combat mission or plex in the game could be run in a t1 frig.

According to CCP devblog they wanted to lower entry level for exploration profession sites. In this light Odyssey expansion was success beyond all dreams.

It's because the rated and unrated ded sites are the "hard" exploration sites, relic and data sites are the noob site.

And when all combat sites can be run in t1 frig then everything is noob sites. What's your point?

I'm new to exploration, have hacking, archaeology and covops all to 4 and I'm running sites in a cheetah with rigs for increased virus strength, and I just can't win the mini game when the loot is above average. I might as well stay in low sec for the additional effort and risk I'm taking. i'm still making reasonable amounts of money but nothing like vets are reporting for null sites.

This amazes me.

I have same skills (lower analyze skills) and no increased virus scan hacks (I think it's cohorence rigs even, not strength?). Yet the only "games" I cannot break are the ones I wouldn't be able to break with perfect skills either.

And I can complete about 95% of the 0sec sites.

This amazes me.

I have same skills (lower analyze skills) and no increased virus scan hacks (I think it's cohorence rigs even, not strength?). Yet the only "games" I cannot break are the ones I wouldn't be able to break with perfect skills either.

And I can complete about 95% of the 0sec sites.

There need to be sites the new players can do, even in null, so they get relic and data sites.

i can complete a majority of cans in the sites, just not the cans with really juicy loot. those go bang nearly every time for me. it's possible i'm being unlucky but i ran into a fellow scoper yesterday who was having exactly the same experience.

Tho i'm sure you fully grasp it, just have an agenda of your own that benefits you from the current pathetic situation.

I have skill 4 and i think i get 50/50 on the databank cans, most of the time it depends on whether or not you pick the right area to look for the core.

I don't understand it, either. Could wear a tinfoil hat, actually, and make up nefariuos motives of nullsec powerblocs to 'entertain' their membership.

Are you mad because new players can train for covert ops, and compete with old players?

Adding "guardians" to the sites would only hurt the new players, older players with still clear them with easy flying the notorious T3 with covert ops alt setup.

I really like not having rats in the sites because it brings many unarmed covops/T1: I run a light missile launcher and a scram on my covop. After all another covop/T1 in a site is just another "can" to be hacked. :)

Scanning and hacking should be the most important skills for data and relic sites, not the amount of sp you have i missile/gunnery skills or whether or not you can fly a T2 or T3 cruiser.

According to CCP devblog they wanted to lower entry level for exploration profession sites. In this light Odyssey expansion was success beyond all dreams.

I'm new to exploration, have hacking, archaeology and covops all to 4 and I'm running sites in a cheetah with rigs for increased virus strength, and I just can't win the mini game when the loot is above average. I might as well stay in low sec for the additional effort and risk I'm taking. i'm still making reasonable amounts of money but nothing like vets are reporting for null sites.

You pretty much must-have T2 hacking equipment and cov ops or T3 ship for the extra virus strength to be able succesfully hack databanks unless you are the lucky guy who gets core on first click in every can. And there is no rigs for virus strength.