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Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:02:00 -
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idea, short range, lethal pouncers.
special ability-50% bonus to web strength racial bonus: minmatar-10% web range per level caldari-10% bonus to target painters per level.
Recluse- frigate-griffin highs-4 rocket launchers 2 mids' 4 lows
Black Widow- cruiser-caracal 5 high-5 ham launchers 4 mids 6 low
Funnel-Web- bs-scorpion hull 6 high-6 torp launchers 5 mids 8 low
these ships are slower than most their size but they have outstanding agility. they use webs to close range. fast align time, fast acceleration, just slow (insert creepy crawly spider here). they are designed strictly for missiles. no turret mounting points. armor tanks. |

Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:21:00 -
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They all need at least another launcher hardpoint if there isn't going to be a direct missile bonus, although I think they only need webs or painters, not both. Also, lore wize I think these guys should be in alliance with sansha, so these guys can spawn in current sansha space and incursions. Possibly with the same pve resists too. "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |

Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1179
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:27:00 -
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While I like the concept of a spider based pirate faction ships I do believe that a double web bonus would make them OP. It should be range or strength but not both. That would also free up an ability slot for missiles. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |

Silivar Karkun
Imperium Aeternam Phantom Armada
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:46:00 -
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huh, we already have a Black Widow, its the caldari black ops, i suggest you change the name... |

Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:59:00 -
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2-mid slot frigate with bonuses to TP and web wont work. |

Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:18:00 -
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no more launchers. they are meant to inflict a slow and painful death.
nasty tank, slower dps, designed to catch and hold prey. the bigger the spider (more trained the pilot), the larger the web.
web bonuses stay, its in the ship design (meant to be slow). fast align, agile but slow over all. can be reduced tho. say 25% flat bonus. |

Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
158
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:30:00 -
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4-3-4 slot frigate is out of 10-slot scheme for frigates. |

Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:30:00 -
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Don't most spiders liquify their prey in a relatively fast manner? Also, I'd perfer something along the lines of Weaver for the name of the cruiser, since I can't think of any ship with a 2 word name. And since it's supposed to be tough where's the armor resist bonus. "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |

Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
174
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:34:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:Don't most spiders liquify their prey in a relatively fast manner? Also, I'd perfer something along the lines of Weaver for the name of the cruiser, since I can't think of any ship with a 2 word name. And since it's supposed to be tough where's the armor resist bonus. they wrap their prey in a cocoon and inject venom to liquify, yes, but it does take a while. its not instantaneous. hence the web bonuses and lesser dps. these arent meant for all out gank, just to hold their prey still so they can have their way with em. |

Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:50:00 -
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changed the bonuses to flat 37.5% web range, 10% web str per lev. and now it has a missile explosion velocity bonus.
thats more caldari/minie imo |

Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:57:00 -
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I like it now, but what about most tarantulas and other hunting spiders like the wolf? At this point it doesn't have anything to do with this thread but the actual arachnids. "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |

Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
174
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:59:00 -
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good point, lemme come up with some spiders who have nice, intricate webs...
more changes coming.. =) |

Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:04:00 -
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Ok good, I just came up with Weaver because, golden orb weaver, best weaver. "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |

Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
174
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:22:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:Ok good, I just came up with Weaver because, golden orb weaver, best weaver. did some quick research and those make the nastiest web. Weaver it is. |

Bakuhz
The Nightingales of Hades Holdings The Nightingales of Hades
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:38:00 -
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Mole Guy wrote:idea, short range, lethal pouncers.
special ability-37.5% bonus to web range racial bonus: minmatar-10% web strength per level (like paladins) caldari-10% bonus missile explosion velocity (like bombers)
Recluse- frigate-griffin highs-4 rocket launchers 5 mids' 2 lows
Funnel-Web- cruiser-caracal 5 high-5 ham launchers 7 mids 3 low
Weaver- bs-scorpion hull (or maybe a new raven hull..that thing is ugly. you guys did a KILLER job on the scorp. redo the raven) 6 high-6 torp launchers 8 mids 5 low
faster lock time than ships their size (spider senses) 10% reduced sig radius of their counter parts (have u ever tried to kill them..they are crazy) 10% slower (thats why they need longer range webs) prolly 20% more agile. they accelerate quickly to close to web range.
these ships are slower than most their size but they have outstanding agility. they use webs to close range. fast align time, fast acceleration, just slow (insert creepy crawly spider here). they are designed strictly for missiles. no turret mounting points. shield tanks. ************************************ edit: changed cruiser name. it conflicted with blops changed frig slot layout. changed web bonus a little. changed painter to explosion velocity to help project damage. changed to shield tank.
high slots are ok but atleast nerf one high to only be facilitating utility like most pirate ships have. the web bonus would be nice.
one ship has to many mid's and that is the cruiser 7 mid slots is way to powerfull webbing slows down so damage application goes up by quite some points. 6 mid slots should be the limit this brings balance between tanking or mid slot utilities. that sacrifice some tank.
overal i like the idea as i am a great fan of electronic warfare combination i like to see a few alterations before it looks acceptable.
http://tnoh.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=576554
We are stil looking for Manticore Pilot's can you fly one and are interested to do more with covert operations Contact me for more info |

Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:23:00 -
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Bakuhz wrote:Mole Guy wrote:idea, short range, lethal pouncers.
special ability-37.5% bonus to web range racial bonus: minmatar-10% web strength per level (like paladins) caldari-10% bonus missile explosion velocity (like bombers)
Recluse- frigate-griffin 4 highs-4 rocket launchers 5 mids' 2 lows
Funnel-Web- cruiser-caracal 5 high-5 ham launchers 7 mids 3 low
Weaver- bs-scorpion hull (or maybe a new raven hull..that thing is ugly. you guys did a KILLER job on the scorp. redo the raven) 6 high-6 torp launchers 8 mids 5 low
faster lock time than ships their size (spider senses) 10% reduced sig radius of their counter parts (have u ever tried to kill them..they are crazy) 10% slower (thats why they need longer range webs) prolly 20% more agile. they accelerate quickly to close to web range.
these ships are slower than most their size but they have outstanding agility. they use webs to close range. fast align time, fast acceleration, just slow (insert creepy crawly spider here). they are designed strictly for missiles. no turret mounting points. shield tanks. ************************************ edit: changed cruiser name. it conflicted with blops changed frig slot layout. changed web bonus a little. changed painter to explosion velocity to help project damage. changed to shield tank. high slots are ok but atleast nerf one high to only be facilitating utility like most pirate ships have. the web bonus would be nice. one ship has to many mid's and that is the cruiser 7 mid slots is way to powerfull webbing slows down so damage application goes up by quite some points. 6 mid slots should be the limit this brings balance between tanking or mid slot utilities. that sacrifice some tank. overal i like the idea as i am a great fan of electronic warfare combination i like to see a few alterations before it looks acceptable. you mean like frig 5 high, 4 launchers 5 mids 1 low
cruiser 6 high, 5 launchers 6 mid 3 low
bs 7 high, 6 launchers 8 mids 4 low ? |

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
381
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:33:00 -
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I hate spiders. I honestly and truly ******* hate spiders. **** every last spider everywhere ever for all eternity. They can die and go to spider hell forever.
Likewise, spiders hate the heel of my boot. They don't have enough agility to escape it, even when they're halfway up a wall.
What is the best way to kill one of these new ships quickly? |

Goldensaver
ArTech Expeditions
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:36:00 -
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I might do away with the explosion velocity bonus and replace it with a radius bonus. I feel that it is redundant when applied with the web bonus as most targets will be slowed to apply maximum damage anyways, and that signature radius will be the great limiter as far as applying damage. Of course that will bring into question if it is too strong against smaller targets. However, I personally don't feel it would be too big an issue with the inherently low damage, and that this would compensate for the low base damage with high applied. |

Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
228
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:56:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I hate spiders. I honestly and truly ******* hate spiders. **** every last spider everywhere ever for all eternity. They can die and go to spider hell forever.
Likewise, spiders hate the heel of my boot. They don't have enough agility to escape it, even when they're halfway up a wall.
What is the best way to kill one of these new ships quickly? To disrupt it then kill it with a lot of firepower.
Also, if you hate spiders, you should move to Australia  "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |

Bakuhz
The Nightingales of Hades Holdings The Nightingales of Hades
40
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Posted - 2013.06.16 23:51:00 -
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Mole Guy wrote:Bakuhz wrote:Mole Guy wrote:idea, short range, lethal pouncers.
special ability-37.5% bonus to web range racial bonus: minmatar-10% web strength per level (like paladins) caldari-10% bonus missile explosion velocity (like bombers)
Recluse- frigate-griffin 4 highs-4 rocket launchers 5 mids' 2 lows
Funnel-Web- cruiser-caracal 5 high-5 ham launchers 7 mids 3 low
Weaver- bs-scorpion hull (or maybe a new raven hull..that thing is ugly. you guys did a KILLER job on the scorp. redo the raven) 6 high-6 torp launchers 8 mids 5 low
faster lock time than ships their size (spider senses) 10% reduced sig radius of their counter parts (have u ever tried to kill them..they are crazy) 10% slower (thats why they need longer range webs) prolly 20% more agile. they accelerate quickly to close to web range.
these ships are slower than most their size but they have outstanding agility. they use webs to close range. fast align time, fast acceleration, just slow (insert creepy crawly spider here). they are designed strictly for missiles. no turret mounting points. shield tanks. ************************************ edit: changed cruiser name. it conflicted with blops changed frig slot layout. changed web bonus a little. changed painter to explosion velocity to help project damage. changed to shield tank. high slots are ok but atleast nerf one high to only be facilitating utility like most pirate ships have. the web bonus would be nice. one ship has to many mid's and that is the cruiser 7 mid slots is way to powerfull webbing slows down so damage application goes up by quite some points. 6 mid slots should be the limit this brings balance between tanking or mid slot utilities. that sacrifice some tank. overal i like the idea as i am a great fan of electronic warfare combination i like to see a few alterations before it looks acceptable. you mean like frig 5 high, 4 launchers 5 mids 1 low cruiser 6 high, 5 launchers 6 mid 3 low bs 7 high, 6 launchers 8 mids 4 low ?
i meant more liek this
frig 4 high, 3 launchers 5 mids 2 low
cruiser 6 high, 5 launchers 6 mid 3 low
bs 6 high, 5 launchers 8 mids 5 low http://tnoh.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=576554
We are stil looking for Manticore Pilot's can you fly one and are interested to do more with covert operations Contact me for more info |

Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
174
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Posted - 2013.06.17 00:20:00 -
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not enough launchers. i dont like it.
these are designed to hit targets as big or bigger than they are. they are slow and stop everything they pounce. they will prolly need a painter and a web as standard practice. that leaves -2 mids for tank.
and their bonuses only apply to close rage. they loose 2/3 the ship bonus to anything past web range, so cruise will be the only weapons they have. get in close range and suck up torps and webs. just like a spiders web. |

Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.17 00:21:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I hate spiders. I honestly and truly ******* hate spiders. **** every last spider everywhere ever for all eternity. They can die and go to spider hell forever.
Likewise, spiders hate the heel of my boot. They don't have enough agility to escape it, even when they're halfway up a wall.
What is the best way to kill one of these new ships quickly? best way would be to kite em. stay out of web range and keep yer speed up. torps would almost be useless. |

Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
175
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Posted - 2013.06.17 07:50:00 -
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woke up at midnight dreaming of spiders in the bed. i might scrap this whole thing. lol
actually, i woke up thinking about a wolf spider that jumped me one night. we were in texas at my father in laws house and i was almost asleep when i felt these very light fingers touching me on my forehead. slowly walking towards my face. not knowing what it was, i ran my hand down from on top of my head towards my face to knock what ever it was off and it was the largest wolf spider i have ever seen in person. it balled up and rolled under my hand. once my hand released, it popped up on all 8's and hauled ass down my chest and disappeared in the darkness.
ok, lemme sec the scene. i am close to the wall, my wife is on the outside. i am arachnaphobic and I have a huge wolf spider on my face. i almost pushed her to the floor trying to get up.
i woke up remembering this night (in vivid details and freaking out again like i did that night) and thought about this ship.
it was all wrong. its not slow and tanky. they are fast as hell. spiders pounce. they are squishy once you get them squarely under your boot, but to that takes an act of god (amarrian god). these ships should reflect that, so i changed em to faster than all bs and just a tad more tanky than a normal bs. way less than a pirate bs. agile, fast, tough to hit, holds you in place and does nasty things to you. like we should do to fozzie for that marauder tease on friday. |

Mooer
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:33:00 -
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i think this would be fun |

Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
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Posted - 2013.06.20 01:08:00 -
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impression on the idea of the new minmatar/caldari pirate faction ship, should have custom hulls like how the dramiel, daredevil, cruror, sucubus, cynabal, ashimu, phantasm, machariel and nightmare have their own hulls.
Special Ability: 25% Missile Explosion Radius Minmatar Ship Skill Bonus: 25% Stasis Webifier Range per level Caldari Ship Skill Bonus: 5% Launcher Rate of Fire per level
Recluse / Frigate 2H 0 turrets / 2 launchers 4M 4L Drone Bay/Bandwidth: 0m3 / 0Mbit
Huntsman / Cruiser 4H 0 turrets / 4 launchers 5M 6L Drone Bay/Bandwidth: 50m3 / 25Mbit
Funnel-Web 6H 0 Turrets / 6 Launchers 6M 8L Drone Bay/Bandwidth: 75m3 / 50Mbit
All shield oriented, lows for damage and speed modifications. Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |

Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.20 02:50:00 -
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new hulls would be nice. i just dont see the bonuses. its a pounce ship...reach out and snare someone. close range, why do u have it setup sniper fit? |

Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
147
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:33:00 -
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Mole Guy wrote:new hulls would be nice. i just dont see the bonuses. its a pounce ship...reach out and snare someone. close range, why do u have it setup sniper fit?
paper tank, high ranged damage with a bit of range control, because we already have 2 types of pirate ships designed with close range webs, the serpentis and blood raider ships, id like range is all to shake it up. Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |

Kane Fenris
NWP
36
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Posted - 2013.06.20 07:47:00 -
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ships of the min/cal cross faction should be:
-armor tanked -missileships - target painter boni (maybe 1 web bonused ship but that gets fast out of hand...aka op) - use new hulls (model wise cause its more the direction eve is going with the new visuals coming out in recent past)
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Grunnax Aurelius
luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades
149
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Posted - 2013.06.20 08:10:00 -
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Kane Fenris wrote:ships of the min/cal cross faction should be:
-armor tanked -missileships - target painter boni (maybe 1 web bonused ship but that gets fast out of hand...aka op) - use new hulls (model wise cause its more the direction eve is going with the new visuals coming out in recent past)
there is already 3 armour classes in the pirate factions, and only 2 shield. IDGAF what you think about armour, the new caldari/minmatar pirate faction should be shield.
+1 for missiles suggested, dont like the TP bonus, long range webs please, and NEW HULLS!!! Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread |

Kane Fenris
NWP
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Posted - 2013.06.20 09:15:00 -
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Grunnax Aurelius wrote:Kane Fenris wrote:ships of the min/cal cross faction should be:
-armor tanked -missileships - target painter boni (maybe 1 web bonused ship but that gets fast out of hand...aka op) - use new hulls (model wise cause its more the direction eve is going with the new visuals coming out in recent past)
there is already 3 armour classes in the pirate factions, and only 2 shield. IDGAF what you think about armour, the new caldari/minmatar pirate faction should be shield. +1 for missiles suggested, dont like the TP bonus, long range webs please, and NEW HULLS!!!
imho a missile pirate faction is missing right now but if you shield tnk em its just caldri 2.0 and that would suck.... |
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