Jenn I place you and tipia in the same category. You both have a insatiable need for attention and you resort to trolling to get a thread locked you donGÇÖt like or agree with and you both lack the ability to see any other perspective other than your own.

I simply liked his statement and agreed with that statement. I am not surprised you felt the need to comment on it.

Moving forward I will not be an enabler for either you or tipia and shall choose to ignore your childish trolling attempts and narcissistic behavior.

That's because it's a solution to a terrible GÇ£problemGÇ¥ GÇö not in the sense that the problem is truly horrific, but that the problem is horribly poorly defined.

The removal of local is the perfect GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ to the GÇ£problemGÇ¥ of AFK cloakers. As luck would have it, AFK cloakers are not a problem to begin with, so the solution isn't needed either. Everyone wins! \o/

Sometimes people are too dumb to do their null sec pve activities in groups. I heard one guy claim that the rest of his corp was asleep when he was online so he had no back up. GEE GOLLY it couldn't be his incorrect choice in corps to join could it? NO its afk cloakers and local.

You should be on the CSM.

WTF??? AFK cloaking vs. AFK mining? Even remotely related? How much money does an AFK cloaker make because I'm willing to sign up for it!!

A what?

GǪif those other players choose to give him that. They can also choose not to. Either way, he won't know since he's AFK.

It's not much in the way of a GÇ£gainGÇ¥ tbh.

That's some cheap coffeeGǪ

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It's not much in the way of a GÇ£gainGÇ¥ tbh.
So I have your endorsement, then. Goodie. Do I have your vote as well? Wouldn't you want to know my program first?[]

Why not?

Less word salad please?
It would affect a cloaker by giving off even more free intel about his status without the on-lookers having done anything to deserve it.

Excellent. So could you tell me what it is even without knowing it? I could use some pointers to build my campaign on.

And yet it's you asking mommy (ccp) to help you while I spend my time figuring things out for myself. THAT what you are doing is weakness sir. Good day!

You may be on to something, but the statements are still at odds: neither implied a dependency on perspective. Both were absolute statements. I'm hoping one or both of them will revise their statements. I'm also hoping to get past the absolute pronouncements in this thread (not just theirs) and into the reasoning behind them.

What I suspect is closer to an absolutely true statement is this combination of facts:
1. an AFK cloaked ship is indistinguishable from an actively piloted cloaked ship
2. an actively piloted cloaked ship piloted by a non-blue pilot is most likely up to no good
3. the first indicator that the pilot of a cloaked ship is active and not AFK is when they uncloak to execute their plan
4. the active pilot of a cloaked ship dictates the time and place of the encounter; the "recipient" of the event
has no opportunity to dictate to the pilot of the cloaked ship the time of the encounter (short of "never",
i.e. dock up) and limited opportunity to dictate the place.


MDD

"Captain, the Romulans have engaged their cloaking device!"

"Damn! Mr. Worf! Post another whine about cloaks on the forums, maybe the devs will nerf it!"

What part of "No", do you not understand?

Cloaks already have a significant set of drawbacks, drawbacks that render all but unusable apart from some clever ship fitting and cloak specific platforms.

So there are plenty of "counters", or drawbacks to cloaking.

Let me put it to you this way. If you were to design a game a certain way, would you bend over backwards to accomodate the people who insist on playing the game wrong? Especially when their arguments have been repeatedly refuted, and they've demonstrated they are only interested in continuing to whine against the parts of your game they don't like?

So you agree that autopiloting in high sec should require fuel or automatically log people off after 2 jumps.

Of course it's free intel. If this idea is in place and you keep pressing the button, they know you are at the keyboard. That's free intel.

Why should you get even more intel, on top of the already powerful local intel tool?

Oh and it's my account, I'll do whatever I wish with it thanks. (within the EULA)

I accept your surrender. Are you French perchance?

Prey tell how does someone AFK cloaked in bed asleep, force you to do anything? Isn't it merely prudent to take precautions with an enemy in the system? you are after all in null. What relevance does them being AFK have to taking those steps?

Hey Sarcasm, what kind of ratting or mining ship do you fly?

I want to help you out. I like helping people, I'll show you how you can do whatever it is you do right under the nose of active hunter ships, let alone a cloaked inactive one.