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Levin Cavil	Posted - 2005.11.18 00:35:00 - [1] Edited by: Levin Cavil on 18/11/2005 00:39:52 Generally I would post this on the FIX forums but I am unfortunately IP banned from those boards (long story) so I will post here. To those that were in 3-FKCZ last night this should be of interest, to anyone else it's a really long Dominix kill. At varying points in the fight FIX had an Armageddon, Dominix, Maller, Thorax, Jaguar, two Ares and a Taranis. Finite Horizon had a Scorpion, two Crows and a Malediction. The fight lasted for around 20 minutes and ended with FIX losing a Dominix, Ares and Taranis, Finite Horizon lost nothing. Unfortunately I was unable to record the whole fight due to hard drive limitations as well as trying to keep multiple ships jammed while not dying. When we finally got the Dominix down we held the battlefield as can be seen in the video, after collecting the loot a FIX Apocalypse jumped in, unfortunately our ships were all low on ammunition and we were unable to kill it. The footage is not the best and the video quality is a little poor, the clip covers about half the fight and is a good representation how the battle went. The video is at 2x speed for your viewing pleasure. FZN vs. FIX (United States) Eve-Files Mirror Please feel free to register for our forums at Finite-Horizon.com and talk with us there. Currently Training: Suicidal Tendencies [Rank 8] 1,947,276/2,048,000 SP
jamesw	Posted - 2005.11.18 01:07:00 - [2] Quote: <Levin> you should watch the newest levin vid <Levin> and then reply <Levin> and be like <Levin> omglevin i wannahave ur babies sweet fight, makes me wish I still flew scorps -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia NEW Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Xen0phobiak	Posted - 2005.11.18 01:32:00 - [3] omg you rock etc etc..
PuttPutt	Posted - 2005.11.18 01:47:00 - [4] omg ill have ur babies~! ---------
Trinity Faetal	Posted - 2005.11.18 02:13:00 - [5] Propaganda lies, LIES!!, Fix Never dies, thats all digital manipulation
Ifni	Posted - 2005.11.18 03:11:00 - [6] I need to stop dying first, then I can go back to killing. Looked good, although next time, suffer the low fps and film the entire thing! Oveur > CUZ IM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!!
KilROCK	Posted - 2005.11.18 03:15:00 - [7] 10m for fraps of hellwarrior dying
Muthsera	Posted - 2005.11.18 03:37:00 - [8] you packed it 1% mate. Whouldn't it just be better to upload the normal .avi? SoonÖ
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2005.11.18 03:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Muthsera you packed it 1% mate. Whouldn't it just be better to upload the normal .avi? I did that to prevent streaming Currently Training: Suicidal Tendencies [Rank 8] 1,947,276/2,048,000 SP
Ayane Vendre	Posted - 2005.11.18 04:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Levin Cavil Originally by: Muthsera you packed it 1% mate. Whouldn't it just be better to upload the normal .avi? I did that to prevent streaming I spit on you.

NTRabbit	Posted - 2005.11.18 04:42:00 - [11] So thats the 20 minute dominix eh? r0x tbh --------
Candy	Posted - 2005.11.18 05:10:00 - [12] Nice vid Levin. That fight was definetly one of the more enduring battles I've experienced in my time. ----------------------------------------------
Mang0o	Posted - 2005.11.18 11:41:00 - [13] Dude what did that dominix have fitted? someting good you guys got? Well to tank in 20min takes alot of isk on fitting.. well tanking a scorp is not hard but still
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2005.11.18 12:07:00 - [14] yeah was it something good fittet ? Teddycorp signature... By myal terego www.evepirates.com/ http://www.tundragon.com/ killboard
KilROCK	Posted - 2005.11.18 12:09:00 - [15] That's a two rep tank, with no plate from what i can see. they frigs + scorp were just laughable damage to be honest.
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.18 12:24:00 - [16] Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2005 12:24:41 Originally by: Levin Cavil Edited by: Levin Cavil on 18/11/2005 00:39:52 Generally I would post this on the FIX forums but I am unfortunately IP banned from those boards (long story) so I will post here. .. nevertheless worth telling.... Levin likes to troll endlessley on the FIX forums, he also likes to plant spies and then sit on our TS to get an edge on battles, then he also likes to steal actual goods from the corp he has his spy in. Levin Cavil is a low-life scumbag/spy/corp-thief. FZN as a corp isnt much better than him. BTW the video sucks, really poor quality.
DarkXeRoX	Posted - 2005.11.18 12:29:00 - [17] heh u lot took ur time on mr domi
KilROCK	Posted - 2005.11.18 13:04:00 - [18] http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/kill_detail.php?kll_id=16122 Like i said, dual tech 2 large armor rep, and probably full med full of cap recharger II. He was set for npcing.
dailyhazard	Posted - 2005.11.18 17:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2005 12:24:41 Originally by: Levin Cavil Edited by: Levin Cavil on 18/11/2005 00:39:52 Generally I would post this on the FIX forums but I am unfortunately IP banned from those boards (long story) so I will post here. .. nevertheless worth telling.... Levin likes to troll endlessley on the FIX forums, he also likes to plant spies and then sit on our TS to get an edge on battles, then he also likes to steal actual goods from the corp he has his spy in. Levin Cavil is a low-life scumbag/spy/corp-thief. FZN as a corp isnt much better than him. BTW the video sucks, really poor quality. ooooooh someones on there period. ------------------------------------------------
Tehel Necrona	Posted - 2005.11.18 17:29:00 - [20] seems to me if the domi pilot had deployed his drones he would have escaped much earlier or won the fight, but he only remembered to use his drones when the scorp deployed his drones.

migally	Posted - 2005.11.18 21:57:00 - [21] what did that domi have fited ?
Silinary	Posted - 2005.11.18 22:28:00 - [22] Edited by: Silinary on 18/11/2005 22:28:23 Originally by: KilROCK He was set for npcing. Aye your correct .. and had 2 empty low slots as well. I've talked to 'em at length about it :) Also discussed various ways of changing it to last longer hehe. I dunno if he'll do it, but we'll see :) As for laughable damage ... meh ... 3 inty's can push out the damage well :) If you want to live life on your own terms, then you got to be willing to crash and burn.
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2005.11.18 23:31:00 - [23] Well if I bothered to train cruise missiles past level 2 and used something better than Cruise Launcher 1s we probably could have killed him sooner. BTW Hi Nez. Currently Training: Suicidal Tendencies [Rank 8] 1,947,276/2,048,000 SP
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.11.19 00:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2005 12:24:41 Originally by: Levin Cavil Edited by: Levin Cavil on 18/11/2005 00:39:52 Generally I would post this on the FIX forums but I am unfortunately IP banned from those boards (long story) so I will post here. .. nevertheless worth telling.... Levin likes to troll endlessley on the FIX forums, he also likes to plant spies and then sit on our TS to get an edge on battles, then he also likes to steal actual goods from the corp he has his spy in. Levin Cavil is a low-life scumbag/spy/corp-thief. FZN as a corp isnt much better than him. BTW the video sucks, really poor quality. Nez. Finite Horizon does what you cannot. Which of you is winning so far? After all the raided PoS, the destroyed ships, the crushed morale? Moral high ground is the worst high ground to take, ever. --- God-King of Genitalia
KilROCK	Posted - 2005.11.19 00:20:00 - [25] Well, As far as killing Fix goes, Finite horizon get their ass kicked multiple times per day. Just look at killboards, it's nothing impressive.
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2005.11.19 00:26:00 - [26] Edited by: Levin Cavil on 19/11/2005 00:29:32 Originally by: KilROCK Well, As far as killing Fix goes, Finite horizon get their ass kicked multiple times per day. Just look at killboards, it's nothing impressive. Yes just look at the killboards. FZN vs FIX: stats C-F vs FIX: stats Currently Training: Suicidal Tendencies [Rank 8] 1,947,276/2,048,000 SP
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.19 00:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Raem Civrie Moral high ground is the worst high ground to take, ever. I guess if you are a GHSC member, moral highground is something you have cut your losses on.. hmm GHSC personnel sticking up for an FZN pilot, whatever next.. BE sticking up for their WCS and log off tactics... P.S levin when you have the balls to engage FIX without a TS/military comms channel spy then you can brag about ¦holding the field¦
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.11.19 01:00:00 - [28] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Raem Civrie Moral high ground is the worst high ground to take, ever. I guess if you are a GHSC member, moral highground is something you have cut your losses on.. hmm GHSC personnel sticking up for an FZN pilot, whatever next.. BE sticking up for their WCS and log off tactics... P.S levin when you have the balls to engage FIX without a TS/military comms channel spy then you can brag about ¦holding the field¦ Beats covering up perceived bad decisions by pointing to alliance mates and making a run for it. ZOINK! --- God-King of Genitalia
Ifni	Posted - 2005.11.19 01:01:00 - [29] Nez, please stop. Its not relevant to the topic and its jsut making FIX look bad. Oveur > CUZ IM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!!
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.19 01:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Levin Cavil Generally I would post this on the FIX forums but I am unfortunately IP banned from those boards (long story) so I will post here. when you talk about IP bans you are already opening yourself up for a hijack. I am merely filling in the gaps that Levin couldnt be bothered to expand on. Ifni, you have no idea what bad looks like.

Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.19 01:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Raem Civrie Beats covering up perceived bad decisions by pointing to alliance mates and making a run for it. ZOINK! huh... what are you on about.. old dog, new tricks ...nah was never gonna happen... good to see you back where you belong..
Zangief Suikoi	Posted - 2005.11.19 01:53:00 - [32] Tbh everyones right we should get back off the subject of Levin as a person. The truth of his nature is already known to those that need to know it. Speaking frankly its horrible that with all your intelligent (Levin) that youve resorted and continue too on such low levels of tactics. The movie is meh. It wouldve been better if you had recorded it in its entirety but such is life. "We cant have everything we want." Minus the fact that he was in a npc setup, it looks like it was a fun fight all 'round.
pardux	Posted - 2005.11.19 01:58:00 - [33] Edited by: pardux on 19/11/2005 02:00:32 o_O fix still thinking he hacked the ts server? http://fbihawaii.ytmnd.com/
Zangief Suikoi	Posted - 2005.11.19 01:58:00 - [34] btw, you didnt mention. Who's bubble is that? Ours or yours? IF it was ours wheres the fleet that comes packaged with it? You do know that warp disruption bubbles come pre-packaged with the patented FIX BLOBÖ. p.s. My attorneys will be contacting you shortly on your blantant copy-right infringment of the FIX BLOBÖ.
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2005.11.19 02:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Zangief Suikoi btw, you didnt mention. Who's bubble is that? Ours or yours? IF it was ours wheres the fleet that comes packaged with it? You do know that warp disruption bubbles come pre-packaged with the patented FIX BLOBÖ. p.s. My attorneys will be contacting you shortly on your blantant copy-right infringment of the FIX BLOBÖ. It was FIX bubble but you've already got the FBI on my case as Pardux has so thoughtfully pointed out. Copyright infringement is the least of my concern. Currently Training: Suicidal Tendencies [Rank 8] 1,947,276/2,048,000 SP
KilROCK	Posted - 2005.11.19 02:33:00 - [36] Edited by: KilROCK on 19/11/2005 02:42:46 Edited by: KilROCK on 19/11/2005 02:37:01 Originally by: Levin Cavil Edited by: Levin Cavil on 19/11/2005 00:53:52 Originally by: KilROCK Well, As far as killing Fix goes, Finite horizon get their ass kicked multiple times per day. Just look at killboards, it's nothing impressive. Yes just look at the killboards According to the FIX board you have lost 9 fewer ships than FZN but killed less than half as many ships. C-F: 2.5:1 KDR vs. FIX FZN: 5.1:1 KDR vs. FIX Look at the time we've been at War with them and the time you been hunting in their region. A small difference that explains everything. Also, Fix doesn't post all of their losses, so looking at our contract page on CF killboard will show you how many ships we truely have lost to FIX Here's the 'real' stats. (some kills were not added on our killboard due to petitioned ship losses) Start date: 2005-09-26 End date: 2005-10-11 Kills: 307 Losses: 63 Damage done (ISK): 2489.33M Damage received (ISK): 639.61M Efficiency: 79.56% According to FIX killboard, you've been killing them for at least 2 months now, so that might explain why you have more kills when we did 307, in 2 weeks.
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2005.11.19 04:05:00 - [37] Edited by: Levin Cavil on 19/11/2005 04:09:15 Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 19/11/2005 02:47:02 Originally by: Levin Cavil Edited by: Levin Cavil on 19/11/2005 00:53:52 Originally by: KilROCK Well, As far as killing Fix goes, Finite horizon get their ass kicked multiple times per day. Just look at killboards, it's nothing impressive. Yes just look at the killboards According to the FIX board you have lost 9 fewer ships than FZN but killed less than half as many ships. C-F: 2.5:1 KDR vs. FIX FZN: 5.1:1 KDR vs. FIX Look at the time we've been at War with them and the time you been hunting in their region. A small difference that explains everything. Also, Fix doesn't post all of their losses, so looking at our contract page on CF killboard will show you how many ships we truely have lost to FIX Here's the 'real' stats. (some kills were not added on our killboard due to petitioned ship losses) Start date: 2005-09-26 End date: 2005-10-11 Kills: 307 Losses: 63 Damage done (ISK): 2489.33M Damage received (ISK): 639.61M Efficiency: 79.56% According to FIX killboard, you've been killing them for at least 2 months now, so that might explain why you have more kills when we did 307, in 2 weeks. So in 2 weeks you lost as many ships as we lost in 3 months? I fail to see how this time difference explains anything beyond more kills. And even with your "petitioned losses" Your KDR is still worse than ours against FIX. C-F 307/63 = 4.87:1 KDR (according to C-F numbers) FZN 581/111 = 5.23:1 KDR (according to FIX KILLBOARD numbers) According to our own Killboard against the whole of eve (not just fix) we have 1234 kills/182 losses = 6.78:1 KDR (including pods) I fail to see how anyone in C-F can criticize anyone in FZN. Currently Training: Suicidal Tendencies [Rank 8] 1,947,276/2,048,000 SP
GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.11.19 04:16:00 - [38] Actually by FIX's own kill board our 17 man corp has killed almost 581 ships and lost about 111. Of those kills, nearly 100 (95) of the FIX losses are battleships. When FIX goes pop it seems the pods do too, with FIX having a staggering loss rate of nearly 40% pods killed for each ship loss. I don't care whom you are losing 4 of 10 clones aint good stats.
KilROCK	Posted - 2005.11.19 08:19:00 - [39] Well, I guess i kinda talked to quick judging from the Fix killboard alone, since i didn't know you guys had one. My bad.
Soros	Posted - 2005.11.19 10:29:00 - [40] Edited by: Soros on 19/11/2005 10:32:00 nice Dom guy could have just approaching the gate. 20minutes would be enough time to get there even at 10 m/s -= Soros =- C6

Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.19 10:39:00 - [41] Edited by: Nez Perces on 19/11/2005 10:39:36 Originally by: GFLTorque Actually by FIX's own kill board our 17 man corp has killed almost 581 ships and lost about 111. Of those kills, nearly 100 (95) of the FIX losses are battleships. When FIX goes pop it seems the pods do too, with FIX having a staggering loss rate of nearly 40% pods killed for each ship loss. I don't care whom you are losing 4 of 10 clones aint good stats. Putting stats into perspective.. 90% of your stats are ganks on lone pilots the other 10% are in actual fights, where we know for a fact you had a TS spy. Out of all the foes we have fought you are the least worthy. Enjoy your stats cause thats all you get out of FIX. Respect = 0.
whisk	Posted - 2005.11.19 10:45:00 - [42] All smacking aside, FZN are good at what they do simple as that. Parts of FIX may hate them and i'm sure parts of FZN hate fix but personaly i'm glad they are around, gives me something to do in the wee small hours. If FZN were to go head on with C-F, i'd have my money on FZN all day long. We've had better fights with you guys to make a video out of, where are all those?
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2005.11.19 12:06:00 - [43] Originally by: whisk All smacking aside, FZN are good at what they do simple as that. Parts of FIX may hate them and i'm sure parts of FZN hate fix but personaly i'm glad they are around, gives me something to do in the wee small hours. If FZN were to go head on with C-F, i'd have my money on FZN all day long. We've had better fights with you guys to make a video out of, where are all those? Im too lazy to make a good video. But I do have some neat fights, got a break coming up so maybe I'll spend some time on it then. Currently Training: Suicidal Tendencies [Rank 8] 1,947,276/2,048,000 SP
whisk	Posted - 2005.11.19 12:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Levin Cavil Originally by: whisk All smacking aside, FZN are good at what they do simple as that. Parts of FIX may hate them and i'm sure parts of FZN hate fix but personaly i'm glad they are around, gives me something to do in the wee small hours. If FZN were to go head on with C-F, i'd have my money on FZN all day long. We've had better fights with you guys to make a video out of, where are all those? Im too lazy to make a good video. But I do have some neat fights, got a break coming up so maybe I'll spend some time on it then. A break? dont go leaving us alone with ifni
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2005.11.19 12:36:00 - [45] Originally by: whisk Originally by: Levin Cavil Originally by: whisk All smacking aside, FZN are good at what they do simple as that. Parts of FIX may hate them and i'm sure parts of FZN hate fix but personaly i'm glad they are around, gives me something to do in the wee small hours. If FZN were to go head on with C-F, i'd have my money on FZN all day long. We've had better fights with you guys to make a video out of, where are all those? Im too lazy to make a good video. But I do have some neat fights, got a break coming up so maybe I'll spend some time on it then. A break? dont go leaving us alone with ifni A break from school meaning I have more time for Eve. Lock up your daughters FIX, Levin is on vaaacation. Currently Training: Suicidal Tendencies [Rank 8] 1,947,276/2,048,000 SP
Candy	Posted - 2005.11.19 12:40:00 - [46] Originally by: whisk All smacking aside, FZN are good at what they do simple as that. Parts of FIX may hate them and i'm sure parts of FZN hate fix but personaly i'm glad they are around, gives me something to do in the wee small hours. Get this man a round of Spiced Wine and put it on my tab. ----------------------------------------------
Aibee	Posted - 2005.11.19 13:24:00 - [47] I liked it.. havnt seen any scorp action in ages Gotta get a sig :/
PMolkenthin	Posted - 2005.11.19 16:41:00 - [48] Originally by: whisk All smacking aside, FZN are good at what they do simple as that. Parts of FIX may hate them and i'm sure parts of FZN hate fix but personaly i'm glad they are around, gives me something to do in the wee small hours. Well said. For me the presence of Finite Horizon makes FIX life very enjoyable. Although I am still fairly new to FIX and have very limited PVP experience, FZN's constant attacks on FIX space give me the oppurtunity to learn how to fight PVP stylee.
PMolkenthin	Posted - 2005.11.19 16:50:00 - [49] I would just like to add, after watching the video..... I would love to see more FZN footage, its always good to see a battle from the other side.
2600	Posted - 2005.11.19 16:53:00 - [50] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 19/11/2005 10:39:36 Originally by: GFLTorque Actually by FIX's own kill board our 17 man corp has killed almost 581 ships and lost about 111. Of those kills, nearly 100 (95) of the FIX losses are battleships. When FIX goes pop it seems the pods do too, with FIX having a staggering loss rate of nearly 40% pods killed for each ship loss. I don't care whom you are losing 4 of 10 clones aint good stats. Putting stats into perspective.. 90% of your stats are ganks on lone pilots the other 10% are in actual fights, where we know for a fact you had a TS spy. Out of all the foes we have fought you are the least worthy. Enjoy your stats cause thats all you get out of FIX. Respect = 0. Assuming that by "stats" you mean kills, damage to alliance morale, the recovery and liberation of numerous FIX assets, then yes, I'd say we are getting our money's worth out of FIX, just about every day. Nez, here's a clue: we aren't here for your respect. We're here to destroy your alliance, and have a good time doing it. Oh, and also your women and mead.

Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.19 18:33:00 - [51] Originally by: 2600 Nez, here's a clue: we aren't here for your respect. We're here to destroy your alliance, and have a good time doing it. ... yeah thats exactly what Burn Eden say...¦FZN the destroyers of alliances¦ ... dream on.
Tadis	Posted - 2005.11.19 19:11:00 - [52] Edited by: Tadis on 19/11/2005 19:11:35 Where there is no honour, there is nothing to respect. And like Nez says.... just a rain drop in the sea. In terms of the video. Poor quality but good footage of how to gank a npc'er who wasnt even fully equipped. Scorp ftw ^^
Ifni	Posted - 2005.11.19 20:35:00 - [53] Edited by: Ifni on 19/11/2005 20:38:24 I had made a post on the FIX Forums but Nez, I assume, was kind enough to ban me. Further to whisk's request, I give you this: http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/ifni/FZNvsFIX.13Sep05.avi The filesize is ridiculously high, but the picture quality is unsurpassed. It shows a fight that FZN had against FIX, outnumbered approximately 2.5 to 1 if my memory serves me right. There were some screenshots posted on the FIX boards, but alas, I can no longer view them. I would have prefered to keep this simply between myself, FZN and FIX, but the admins of the FIX forums would prefer I not make my presence felt. Oveur > CUZ IM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!!
Angus Therm0pyle	Posted - 2005.11.19 20:42:00 - [54] Originally by: Levin Cavil So in 2 weeks you lost as many ships as we lost in 3 months? I fail to see how this time difference explains anything beyond more kills. And even with your "petitioned losses" Your KDR is still worse than ours against FIX. C-F 307/63 = 4.87:1 KDR (according to C-F numbers) FZN 581/111 = 5.23:1 KDR (according to FIX KILLBOARD numbers) According to our own Killboard against the whole of eve (not just fix) we have 1234 kills/182 losses = 6.78:1 KDR (including pods) I fail to see how anyone in C-F can criticize anyone in FZN. Difference is we fought people with pvp Setups ---------------
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.19 20:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Ifni I had made a post on the FIX Forums but Nez, I assume, was kind enough to ban me. All FZN personnel are perma-banned on the FIX forums, because simply put you are a bunch of trolls. But pls take it personally if you will... Originally by: Ifni I would have prefered to keep this simply between myself, FZN and FIX, but the admins of the FIX forums would prefer I not make my presence felt. I¦m sure you are distrought have a tissue....
Ifni	Posted - 2005.11.19 20:55:00 - [56] Edited by: Ifni on 19/11/2005 21:00:26 As an addition to the previous reply, someone was kind enough to circumvent the FIX forum for me and supply me with links to the screenshots: From the FZN side. Ifni's Screenshots: One \| Two \| Three \| Four From the FIX side. (mirrored by myself to prevent sudden... uh... removal ) Megri's Screenshots: One \| Two \| Three \| Four \| Five \| Six \| Seven P'ercev'hal's Screenshots: One \| Two \| Three \| Four \| Five \| Six \| Seven \| Eight twit brent's Screenshot: One Oveur > CUZ IM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!!
2600	Posted - 2005.11.19 21:05:00 - [57] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: 2600 Nez, here's a clue: we aren't here for your respect. We're here to destroy your alliance, and have a good time doing it. ... yeah thats exactly what Burn Eden say...¦FZN the destroyers of alliances¦ ... dream on. The fact that you feel the need to reply in such defensive tones speaks for itself. We knew all along that Firmus Ixion is just CFS v2.1 and FIX leadership just proves it over and over again.
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.20 01:25:00 - [58] Originally by: 2600 We knew all along that Firmus Ixion is just CFS v2.1 and FIX leadership just proves it over and over again. Oh you did... really... lets start with who the ** are you? 2600 hmm... you would be who exactly... tell us .. exactly what do you know about CFS? There is only one of you in FZN that is intimate with CFS and would have the temerity to state that FIX has any parallels with CFS (not that there was anything particularly horrible about CFS, it was just a victim of human nature). That one person would be levin... not you .. 2600 whoever the **ens you are...
Spike 68	Posted - 2005.11.20 02:04:00 - [59] you missed the part where the domi warped off and I died, "losing transmission" just doesnt cut it
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2005.11.20 02:20:00 - [60] Originally by: Spike 68 you missed the part where the domi warped off and I died, "losing transmission" just doesnt cut it I can't include what I didn't record. Believe me, I wish I could. Currently Training: Suicidal Tendencies [Rank 8] 1,947,276/2,048,000 SP

Silinary	Posted - 2005.11.20 04:45:00 - [61] Edited by: Silinary on 20/11/2005 04:46:02 Originally by: Nez Perces Oh you did... really... lets start with who the ** are you? 2600 hmm... you would be who exactly... tell us .. exactly what do you know about CFS? There is only one of you in FZN that is intimate with CFS and would have the temerity to state that FIX has any parallels with CFS (not that there was anything particularly horrible about CFS, it was just a victim of human nature). That one person would be levin... not you .. 2600 whoever the **ens you are... Far be it for me to disagree with a JCoS of FIX, I would like to point out that more in Finite Horizon then just Levin were around at those times and would have intimate knowledge of the CFS, the CFS Navy, the problems it had, and what was done about those problems. Believe it or not FIX is indeed structured and operated differently then the way CFS was. I could post various examples and what not but it really isnt' important, nor is the how and why of FZN ban on the FIX forums. The post is, if I read it right, about a Imperium Technologies member's incredible Dominix tank. Now I havn't seen the movie, I probably won't, so I dont' know how it is that FZN got the kills they did aside from the Dom. Meh. FZN are good what what they do, and they've been doing it for avery long time. Expecting them to be push-overs is a fool mistake and will see you at your clone station. If your going to learn how to fight ... learn from the best. Anything else isnt' worth the time. If you want to live life on your own terms, then you got to be willing to crash and burn.
2600	Posted - 2005.11.20 05:30:00 - [62] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: 2600 We knew all along that Firmus Ixion is just CFS v2.1 and FIX leadership just proves it over and over again. Oh you did... really... lets start with who the ** are you? 2600 hmm... you would be who exactly... tell us .. exactly what do you know about CFS? There is only one of you in FZN that is intimate with CFS and would have the temerity to state that FIX has any parallels with CFS (not that there was anything particularly horrible about CFS, it was just a victim of human nature). That one person would be levin... not you .. 2600 whoever the *ens you are... If you knew anything* about the history of the CFS, you would know who I am. FYI, Levin was never a member of the CFS. There are actually a number of people in FZN who were a part of CFS and therefore, contrary to your statement, are intimate with knowledge of CFS. Levin, however, is not one of them. You fail again, Nez. Why do you try?
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.20 10:34:00 - [63] Originally by: Silinary FZN are good what what they do, and they've been doing it for avery long time. Expecting them to be push-overs is a fool mistake and will see you at your clone station. If your going to learn how to fight ... learn from the best. Anything else isnt' worth the time. Yes cause I really want to learn how to sit in a corp spying on them for a couple of months, I really want to learn how to be a corp thief, I really want to learn how to log off every 5 min. I really want to learn how to get the edge in my engagements by sitting on the TS channels of the other guy. If you think thats the best.. I¦m very sorry for you. And read my post again....I said that the only pilot with the temerity to say such a thing would be levin. Oh and mr 2600 here, who apparently is quite well known.... 2600.. again who are you and please qualify your statement that FIX is CFS mark II. Pls tell us with your extrememe knowledge of the CFS what the parallels are between FIX and CFS.
twit brent	Posted - 2005.11.20 13:45:00 - [64] Edited by: twit brent on 20/11/2005 13:47:04 In my experience of chasing arround FZN for the last 4-5 months i have only had 1 noteable engagement. The screenshot was posted earlier in this thread. In that engagement FZN had a spy in our teamspeak and knew we were mostly closerange ships and then warped in at range. Nearly everyother time i have fought FZN they either A) Run b) log. It doesnt surprise me when i log on in the morning and have someone in corp chat tell me that 7-8 FZN battleships came to 9cg but they all logged off. A vast majority of FZN kills comes from them killing NPCers and miner in our space and usually by using lame tactics like logging off earlier in nearby systems. As a PvP corp i realy dont have too much respect for FZN because of their spies and lame tactics. Countless times we have caught FZN in a system only to have 10 minutes of smack then them log off. FZN seem to pride themselves in these tactics and in my eye they are no better than BE.
bundy bear	Posted - 2005.11.20 13:46:00 - [65] Edited by: bundy bear on 20/11/2005 13:46:40 NVM
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.11.20 16:16:00 - [66] wasn't madcap magician in cfs?
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.20 17:44:00 - [67] Originally by: twit brent As a PvP corp i realy dont have too much respect for FZN because of their spies and lame tactics. Countless times we have caught FZN in a system only to have 10 minutes of smackEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.20 17:44:00 - [68] Originally by: twit brent As a PvP corp i realy dont have too much respect for FZN because of their spies and lame tactics. Countless times we have caught FZN in a system only to have 10 minutes of smack then them log off. FZN seem to pride themselves in these tactics and in my eye they are no better than BE. and that ladies and gentlemen is the sad truth of the matter...
GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.11.20 18:25:00 - [69] Originally by: twit brent As a PvP corp i realy dont have too much respect for FZN Twit, How can anyone that fits energy beams to a Brutix claim to be part of a PVP corp? Twits Brutix More then 100 of the over 500 FZN kills are Battleships. Can we help it if we are killing your battleships with 2 assault frigs and an inty? or 4 intys? Many of your fellow fix members have/are fighting with class, and perserverance. Perhaps you should get out your pad and take notes from them.
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.20 18:40:00 - [70] Originally by: GFLTorque Many of your fellow fix members have/are fighting with class, and perserverance. Its a shame you won¦t.... You guys are scum, just accept it, admit it.... move on. We welcome FZN to FIX space, pls keep coming to us and ¦fighting¦ us, all its doing is making sure we tighten up our protocol even more. It keeps the US timezones busy. But remember this... you have established yourselves as the lowest form of life this game has to offer. If that makes you happy and warm inside.. well good for you. From here on your reputation shall precede you. Enjoy it.

Wierd Beard	Posted - 2005.11.21 02:39:00 - [71] Originally by: Silinary Edited by: Silinary on 20/11/2005 04:46:02 Originally by: Nez Perces Oh you did... really... lets start with who the ** are you? 2600 hmm... you would be who exactly... tell us .. exactly what do you know about CFS? There is only one of you in FZN that is intimate with CFS and would have the temerity to state that FIX has any parallels with CFS (not that there was anything particularly horrible about CFS, it was just a victim of human nature). That one person would be levin... not you .. 2600 whoever the **ens you are... Far be it for me to disagree with a JCoS of FIX, I would like to point out that more in Finite Horizon then just Levin were around at those times and would have intimate knowledge of the CFS, the CFS Navy, the problems it had, and what was done about those problems. Believe it or not FIX is indeed structured and operated differently then the way CFS was. I could post various examples and what not but it really isnt' important, nor is the how and why of FZN ban on the FIX forums. The post is, if I read it right, about a Imperium Technologies member's incredible Dominix tank. Now I havn't seen the movie, I probably won't, so I dont' know how it is that FZN got the kills they did aside from the Dom. Meh. FZN are good what what they do, and they've been doing it for avery long time. Expecting them to be push-overs is a fool mistake and will see you at your clone station. If your going to learn how to fight ... learn from the best. Anything else isnt' worth the time. /signed Respect to the fighters http://premium1.uploadit.org/Silinary//sig1wb.jpg
Best Fit	Posted - 2005.11.21 03:56:00 - [72] yea long story why you got banned, i will make it shorter and say to everyone here its because of ur constant attitude and arrogance which means no one could have a discussion without you turning it into a flame war for lame reasons i missed the fight in 3f but heard there was a fzn fraps on eve forums. i was wanting to see the fight from enemy eyes, until i saw you made it and knew it would be pointless biggotry so i hope ur attention starved mind can handle the truth about ur video... it has horrible quality, but at least you admit that, ask some pros for help next time its also sad that you explain what is happening in your post, be less lazy and attempt to make the video into a story. people will not want to keep this movie on their hdd because it makes no sense without a forum post the music is horrible, i hate techno and electronic crap, but it can fit a movie very nice if done right.. urs is just really annoying.. fast beats to a slow fight? try my heart will go on, by celine dion next time you make a movie like this the fight is boring, two minutes of a scorpion shooting something? wtf? you can at least put ur camera on a inty to make it less boring?? ur fraps has no story like i said, no start, no end, and no effort in editing using a scorp? no style, no action.. just you clicking some mods over and over i can talk more about why it sucks, but i wasted enough time d/l it
Madcap Magician	Posted - 2005.11.21 05:29:00 - [73] Edited by: Madcap Magician on 21/11/2005 05:29:39 Originally by: Nez Perces From here on your reputation shall precede you. Enjoy it. The great thing is, our reputation at the present consists of us rolling over FIX pilots throughout your region and the pipes leading into your region. I think I can say I'm proud of that reputation. Perhaps you should also do a little research on your CFS history before throwing jibes that way. Over half of my corp mates have a very deep history with the CFS, including one 2600. Speaking of reputation, I feel that you, Nez Perces, are a horrible representative of your alliance at large. For the most part, I've enjoyed the forays into your space and the encounters with FIX pilots. For that reason, we will refrain from responding to your cheap shots and attempts at disinformation. Until your response to us entering your claimed space goes beyond "don't give them easy kills" and "dock if there's any hostiles anywhere near", you can expect we'll be invading the lands that we helped to forge for you many moons ago. Good day to you sirs.
Ed Gein	Posted - 2005.11.21 06:41:00 - [74] *In a balantant disregard for thumbing through 3 pages of previous posts to actually see what others have said about this so called video, he states.... lol? ------------------------------- I have an idea. How about you get banned 15 minutes from the server everytime you take a sec hit ? --Lady Beeblebrox
Mindlles	Posted - 2005.11.21 08:07:00 - [75] Edited by: Mindlles on 21/11/2005 12:27:38 so much lub _____________________________________________ http://asuya.eve-killboard.net/?a=home
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.11.21 08:28:00 - [76] Haha nice vid Levin, always liked the Dominix. Wish people would post more interesting fights like this one instead of just the usual music video gankathons.. Originally by: Madcap Magician Edited by: Madcap Magician on 21/11/2005 05:29:39 Originally by: Nez Perces From here on your reputation shall precede you. Enjoy it. The great thing is, our reputation at the present consists of us rolling over FIX pilots throughout your region and the pipes leading into your region. I think I can say I'm proud of that reputation. Perhaps you should also do a little research on your CFS history before throwing jibes that way. Over half of my corp mates have a very deep history with the CFS, including one 2600. Speaking of reputation, I feel that you, Nez Perces, are a horrible representative of your alliance at large. For the most part, I've enjoyed the forays into your space and the encounters with FIX pilots. For that reason, we will refrain from responding to your cheap shots and attempts at disinformation. Until your response to us entering your claimed space goes beyond "don't give them easy kills" and "dock if there's any hostiles anywhere near", you can expect we'll be invading the lands that we helped to forge for you many moons ago. Good day to you sirs. Speaking of reputation, I feel that you, Madcap Magician, are a horrible representative of your corporation. What kind of reputation do you think you get for backstabbing a two year old friend on his birthday, and kicking him out only when you have 50bil of his stuff? Someone who founded Finite Horizon with you, and never had a bad word to say about you, and did a lot more than you ever could. Even your members tell me you rarely fly with them, anybody who can read a killboard can see its true. So how proud are you of that? Screwing an active member of the community, because you think bpos and ships make a person. Maybe you think people will forget how you took Digi's stuff, now that you dumped the stolen Fedathron on someone else. Or how you said he deserved it for being in a bad mood, after coming home from a funeral to find out CCP banned all references to his nationality. Or maybe you think people dont know where your ISK comes from, every time you bid on officer mods. It sure is nice to have an interceptor and HAC bpo, and make profit all day! Much cooler than giving people free ships when you're 6bil in debt.. Pathetic. Makes me wonder why the ex-DNA guys want to associate with that crap, or why anyone would think of FZN as a fun corp. Good luck making FIX look bad, they probably lose in pvp a lot, but at least they dont have to worry about being betrayed by their own CEOs. http://eve.klaki.net/
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.11.21 10:10:00 - [77] Originally by: Levin "Blackmailing Backstabber" Cavil [09:58] <Levin> you crossed a line [09:59] <Levin> delete your post [10:03] <Levin> http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=249254&page=3 [10:05] <ArachV0id> what line did I cross [10:05] <ArachV0id> expalin [10:05] <ArachV0id> explain [10:05] <Levin> the line where you fianlly **ed me off too much [10:05] <Levin> remeber that i can hurt you [10:05] <Levin> ive kept my mouth shut this long [10:05] <Levin> but if you dnot delete that post [10:06] <Levin> GH-SC will cease to exist [10:06] <Levin> dont ** mee off [10:06] <ArachV0id> so you're blackmailing me now [10:06] <Levin> yes [10:06] <Levin> i am http://eve.klaki.net/
jamesw	Posted - 2005.11.21 11:05:00 - [78] ooooooooh this sounds juicy... elaborate? -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia NEW Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Cleaner Renaelc	Posted - 2005.11.21 13:14:00 - [79] Edited by: Cleaner Renaelc on 21/11/2005 13:16:02 Edited by: Cleaner Renaelc on 21/11/2005 13:15:20 ROFLSKATES!!!!!!!!!!! They killed a Dominix and they brag about it. /emote Points into direction where it says "It took us 20 min to kill it". Man, even D ROYAL wasnt THAT pathetic wander what will happen if fix brings 2 next time
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.11.21 19:52:00 - [80] Levin, you had my support. You had my love. No more. The Guiding Hand is a club, no less, no more. Some of us enjoy being Operatives within said club. Levin was never an operative, but a member of the club. As such he was privy to information that could be deemed sensetive at the time. Finite Horizon screwed over DigitalCommunist. DC was an early patron of the Social Club, although he never frequented the club despite it being opened to him. Levin on the other hand decided to come into the whole thing, enjoying the camaraderie that we enjoy in the club without ever becoming personally embroiled in our matters by taking on the position of an Operative. He sat at the sidelines. When FZN decided to screw over DC, it split the club in two. On one hand we had Digital, who most of us know from the #eve-online chat channel on Coldfront. On the other hand we had Levin. I decided to ask Levin why it had been done, and he told me that it was done for a good reason. I believed him. This is what happened, and this is why Finite Horizon is even beneath our standards of morality. It didn't take alot of digging to find this out. Madcap Magician didn't log on very much for a long time. This put FZN in a limbo as it made it hard for them to operate. DigitalCommunist put forth a vote for change of CEO, since they didn't even know if Madcap was coming back anytime soon. The same has happened in the Social Club's Operative side, in which case CEO role was transferred to a more active member via Director votes. Madcap took it as a personal attack. 2 days prior to Digital's birthday, they stole his Federation Megathron (Unique, bought for 15b), his money and several of his blueprints. Then, they threw DigitalCommunist out. This was done out of spite, a personal vendetta. The Guiding Hand is big on the tenet of professionalism, and reliability. Finite Horizon, along with Levin Caveli for his attempted coverup and later threats of blackmail, have defied those two tenets. Levin; I stood up for you in the Club. You were allowed to stay after the fact. You just betrayed that trust I put onto you. I'm not particularly hurt, nor do I feel that betrayed. But you are no longer welcome in or around the Club. Whatever benefits you enjoyed are gone, whatever information you think you have is moot. Cry. Cry as hard as you can. Spew forth everything you think you know that can hurt us. And remember that no-one ever, EVER attempts to blackmail us. You failed, Levin. Do your worst, and know that you just burned a whole lot of bridges. --- God-King of Genitalia

Candy	Posted - 2005.11.21 21:02:00 - [81] Originally by: Cleaner Renaelc Edited by: Cleaner Renaelc on 21/11/2005 13:16:02 Edited by: Cleaner Renaelc on 21/11/2005 13:15:20 ROFLSKATES!!!!!!!!!!! They killed a Dominix and they brag about it. /emote Points into direction where it says "It took us 20 min to kill it". Man, even D ROYAL wasnt THAT pathetic wander what will happen if fix brings 2 next time OMG LAWL ROFLAMENTO KEKEKEKKEE I think in part this video was to show just how long the fight lasted, that not only did one of your Dominix pilots hold out against 4 FZN pilots for almost 20 minutes, but that every time he got close to dying the other members of FIX in local came just in time to prevent us from killing him. It was a valiant effort on your part, but apparently it's easier for some to flame than to fight the good fight. Originally by: Local Chat after the Fight [ 2005.11.17 05:27:08 ] Levin Cavil > holy **** guys [ 2005.11.17 05:27:14 ] Levin Cavil > i dont say it much but gf [ 2005.11.17 05:27:20 ] Darien > gf [ 2005.11.17 05:27:41 ] SilberFuchs > gf. and thanks [ 2005.11.17 05:27:42 ] Endless > yeah gf [ 2005.11.17 05:27:49 ] Norfin > nicely done, really. [ 2005.11.17 05:28:04 ] Levin Cavil > i ran out of fraps on that one [ 2005.11.17 05:28:09 ] Valkyrion > all we could do is try [ 2005.11.17 05:28:11 ] SilberFuchs > lol [ 2005.11.17 05:28:26 ] Darien > so much for THAT trip to emp [ 2005.11.17 05:29:27 ] Levin Cavil > heh [ 2005.11.17 05:29:34 ] Levin Cavil > too bad the geddon didnt stay in [ 2005.11.17 05:30:15 ] Valkyrion > i came in 3 ships what more can you ask for [ 2005.11.17 05:30:22 ] Endless > :) [ 2005.11.17 05:30:24 ] Levin Cavil > lol [ 2005.11.17 05:30:27 ] SilberFuchs > :) [ 2005.11.17 05:30:28 ] Endless > yeah i was confused Cheers to those who fought. ----------------------------------------------
twit brent	Posted - 2005.11.22 07:32:00 - [82] Originally by: GFLTorque Originally by: twit brent As a PvP corp i realy dont have too much respect for FZN Twit, How can anyone that fits energy beams to a Brutix claim to be part of a PVP corp? Twits Brutix More then 100 of the over 500 FZN kills are Battleships. Can we help it if we are killing your battleships with 2 assault frigs and an inty? or 4 intys? Many of your fellow fix members have/are fighting with class, and perserverance. Perhaps you should get out your pad and take notes from them. Ok i gotta defend my setup here. 1) This ship was baught and setup from stuff I had in my hangar 5 minutes before engaging you guys and i only had 4 small railguns. 2) The brutix doesnt have any bonuses for small rails so what difference does it make if i use rails or beams. 3) Since we are posting links to killboards this is the killmail of my brutix killing you minutes before i lost it. Here Here is a picture of my brutix after the aggro timer ran out from me killing GFLTorque Piccy And guess what I lost that ship because instead of logging i jumped back into that system to try again .
Jaleean Atheria	Posted - 2005.11.22 09:10:00 - [83] At the risk of this being locked, and me being warned, I am going to post this TO Levin. Levin, you can't say that you have a break from school coming up then procede to threaten someone with real "hurt" sorry, it just dosent work that way. I have been watching the FZN vs FIX stuff develop from the sidelines but reading this thread and hearing what dispicable depths that you go to in order to "hurt" FIX really has changed my views. To be completely honest, I don't like you for several reasons (yes these are important, please stick with the post long enough and dont let your ADD riddled mind get sidetracked) the first is Ive heard that you bought your way to the top, regardless of if this true or not, you act like it. You are an aggrogant ******* and you treat people as if they were dogs, even in a game thats unacceptable to me and many people. Your "piracy" goes beyond that, you and the rest of FZN have allowed this to become a personal grudge and as a result you have come out looking like the asses in this whole deboccle. Another reason is the simplest leaps of logic are forigen to you, I was sent a log by a friend in FIX wherein you were complaining about them not engageing you, or when they do engage its only in greater numbers. He simply asked you "What do you expect, we claim this space, do you really think we're going to engage in nice pretty 1:1 ratios?" and your response was, "No, I expect the opposate" and his response was simply, "why complain then?". You didn't respond Levin, why? By the way, I seriously doubt you could hurt Istvaan Shogaatsu in any meaningful way. If what I hear about what FZN did to DigitalCommunist is true (im giving you the tinest benefit of the doubt here) then you are in good company. PS: I realise that you will probably not make it through this thread so heres a short summary: You are a lonely kid, who is probably bullied at school or in other situations, so you come here to make a name for yourself, and have chosen the role of an ass to suit this. This action in and of itself is not bad, but you have started buying your own hype. One day Levin it will all come crashing down for you, and I really just hope that I am there to see it.
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.11.22 10:09:00 - [84] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 22/11/2005 10:12:30 Originally by: Levin "FZN Diplomat" Cavil [10:06] <ArachV0id> I'll take that under advisement [10:07] <Levin> youd do well to think about it [10:07] <Levin> you have 24 hours So what now, Stabby McBackstab? http://eve.klaki.net/
Shai Faetal	Posted - 2005.11.23 15:28:00 - [85] Edited by: Shai Faetal on 23/11/2005 15:27:57 lol omg , this thread soo much better then the crappy video :p - meh. go away (forum ***** wannabe)
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.11.24 08:34:00 - [86] ------ If Captain James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock embracing one another, in a bath tube, nude, in space, is wrong, I don't want to be right.
jamesw	Posted - 2005.11.24 09:07:00 - [87] JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! /me grabs popcorn -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia NEW Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Uuve Savisaalo	Posted - 2005.11.27 22:23:00 - [88] Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 27/11/2005 22:23:50 Uuve enters the thread, like a winged creature of the night, using the hypersonic shrill of Levin's creation to find the keys.. Ah, so I was finally given the opportunity to watch this "video" last night, despite the many days of advertising and commentary in #eve-online by one Levin "Blackmailing Backstabber" Cavil. My reaction to this promotional masterpiece can best be described by historical analogies and metaphors (!!). In the early 1900's, men of abnormal physique and stature would travel as part of a performing arts convoy, touring the well mannered regions of Europe's elite. Of course, the blue bloods would never pass on an opportunity to have their social status affirmed, and often visited these shows in great numbers. In return, the performers would pay homage to their keepers, that allowed their sideshows and freakishly sinful disregard for the human soul to occurr. "How does this relate to the topic at hand?", you may ask. Quite simple, really. This video finely portrays Levin's talent for taking two respectable PVP-heavy organisations, and making them look foolish, and thus entertaining both sides of the political coin at once by affirming their superiority. Unfortunately (for Levin), those men who sought to keep more than their fair share, and failed to pay homage (or respect) to the family, were soon outcast from the society which sustained them. That being my only comment on the preceeding events, made clear in this thread, I will say that people such as Jaleean Atheria need not worry about waiting.
Nakor Isalani	Posted - 2005.12.09 19:58:00 - [89] Nice video it is the first i have seen of pvp. I am not into pvp myself and so it is intrtesting to see what it is like
Lieria Kiint	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:35:00 - [90] hehe funny vid! even funnier thread!

Verizana	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:49:00 - [91] FCKN hate that music! Pinja Pineapple!
Dracena	Posted - 2005.12.27 14:00:00 - [92] Nice vid... dunno about the music tho
Ivannahumpalot	Posted - 2005.12.27 16:30:00 - [93] Nez is on a perma-manrag
Farjung	Posted - 2006.01.07 07:55:00 - [94] Gossip please :o
b2nwallace	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:38:00 - [95] I created fix
Kurtz Weber	Posted - 2006.01.07 21:31:00 - [96] yay for bumping old topics


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