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Hellen Kurvora
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:15:00 -
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Before I begin, I am an avid hardcore PVP player, and I am not a carebear, but there is genuinly a problem that needs to be looked at..... Insta lock gate camps. It is just too easy to set up a 10 to 20 man insta lock gate camp in low sec to which a person has no defense whatsoever, and are pretty much assured to lose whatever ship they are flying AND their pod. Other then avoid low sec all together there is really nothing to do to defend yourself. Which eliminates many of eve's more fun elements like faction war. Its at the point where I am afraid to undock and do any faction war gameplay, in fear of some pirate griefing camp at a gate poding me. I have lost over 2 billion isk worth of ships and implants to gate camps in two weeks. I just flew through tama, and I kid you not, there were 31 frozen corpses at the gate from a gate camp. 31.... That's f'ing ridiculous.
We are not talking about pilot error, or strategy, there really genuinly is no defense when u have 20 insta lock thrashers sitting off a gate. Intel is not always good, or available, and it is not exactly reasonable to wait for intel before every jump in low sec. This is not some regular gate camp in which if u fly properly u can burn back to the gate, or align and warp off, we are talking about gate camps that can lock you and your pod instantly while eating dinner and sucking a lolly pop, then ruining your night. Come on guys, this is not pvp, this is pure griefing. Its one thing to set up a genuine gate camp, it's another to be able to exploit ships so easily so as to turn that gate camp into an impenetrable gate of doom for every ship who wonders by. This is not null sec where all bets are off, this is low sec, its ridiculous. Milita are the ones who are getting hit the most because pirates are having a field day griefing every ship that passes by in faction space. Its truly broken gameplay. Please fix this |

Perkin Warbeck
Amarrian Space Poodles 24eme Legion Etrangere
142
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:26:00 -
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For some reason the words intel and scouting sprang to mind while reading this post. Best defence against insta-lock gate camps is not to be there in the first place. |

Hellen Kurvora
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
21
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:30:00 -
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Perkin Warbeck wrote:For some reason the words intel and scouting sprang to mind while reading this post. Best defence against insta-lock gate camps is not to be there in the first place.
Then you didnt bother to read my post because I covered both of those and how intel is not always accurate or available. Not to mention waiting for intel before every jump in low sec will take a loooong time to get anywhere. |

Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
116
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:34:00 -
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Tips hat to insta-locking gate-camping pirates that cull the herd of ******** squids.
. . .
On second thought, wags finger at insta-locking gate-camping pirates that are depriving me and my colleagues of juicy loot pi+¦ata and comedy pod killmails. |

Pax Thar
Gone Fishing LLC
59
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:57:00 -
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Deal with it IMO. Remote sebos were already nerfed. |

Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
50
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:13:00 -
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Dont fly thru systems that are known for instalock gangs? Also 1st rule of eve |

Zappity
Kurved Space
130
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:16:00 -
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Gate camps need to be looked at...by a scout. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
1133
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:25:00 -
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Oh FFS!! Long reply inbound GǪ.
Quoting Hellen Kurvora: GǣGǪ genuinly a problem that needs to be looked at..... Insta lock gate camps.Gǥ
Gate camps certainly are a problem for the unwary, unprepared, and incompetent. Gate camps supplemented with fast locking high alpha / dps ships and fast moving decloakers / tacklers +/- bubbles can be very demanding to negotiate.
Quoting Hellen Kurvora: GÇ£It is just too easy to set up a 10 to 20 man insta lock gate camp in low sec to which a person has no defense whatsoever, and are pretty much assured to lose whatever ship they are flying AND their pod.GÇ¥
No co-ordinated 10 GÇô 20 ship gang is GÇÿtoo easyGÇÖ to setup. It requires a number of people to work together and to apply themselves to the task.
As for GÇÿno defenseGÇÖ, well that is complete and utter bovine-excrement. Just as a tier-3 fleetsGÇÖs best defense against a large bomber gang may be to not engage, your best defense against a decent gate camp gang is not to jump into them while they are active. If you know you are outnumbered and outgunned then itGÇÖs suicidal stupidity to engage on the terms they have set for you.
Use you intel resources to GÇÿseeGÇÖ their activity and either take some other route or wait them out. They are only gonna stay there if they are being fed idiot killmails, or if the camp has some higher strategic purpose (such as the pipe-bomb gangs we see during our current war deployment)
Quoting Hellen Kurvora: GÇ£Other then avoid low sec all together there is really nothing to do to defend yourself.GÇ¥
There is lots you can do to avoid dying to such gangs, and intelligence (in both major meanings of the word) plays a big part in all of them.
Quoting Hellen Kurvora: GÇ£Which eliminates many of eve's more fun elements like faction war. Its at the point where I am afraid to undock and do any faction war gameplay, in fear of some pirate griefing camp at a gate poding me. I have lost over 2 billion isk worth of ships and implants to gate camps in two weeks. I just flew through tama, and I kid you not, there were 31 frozen corpses at the gate from a gate camp. 31.... That's f'ing ridiculous.GÇ¥
If a few gate camps ruins your ability to enjoy eve then it is probably not the game for you.
The fact that you have lost over 2b isk worth of toys to campers reflects more on your own poor approach to lowsec play than anything else. Get yourself into a corp with helpful experienced folk. ThereGÇÖs lots you can do to avoid this happening.
Quoting Hellen Kurvora: GÇ£We are not talking about pilot error, or strategy, there really genuinly is no defense when u have 20 insta lock thrashers sitting off a gate.GÇ¥
Actually we **are** talking about pilot error and poor strategy. It is an error to jump through a gate into a powerful gate camp. It is very poor strategy to not use all of the intel tools available to you GǪ e.g. DOTLAN and the ingame map tools do not require people to be reporting intelligence info to a chat channel.
Perhaps you are driven too much be an instant-gratification ethos and not prepared to stop, look, think, and plan. Nothing youGÇÖve said suggests the dynamic is in anyway broken or malfunctioning. The only GÇÿbrokenGÇÖ things seem to be your approach, expectations, and attitudes.
Quoting Hellen Kurvora: GÇ£Intel is not always good, or available, and it is not exactly reasonable to wait for intel before every jump in low sec.GÇ¥
I think this is the crux of your problem. If you are unwilling to make use of the intelligence resources that are freely and readily available then you will get killed, time and time again.
IGÇÖm sorry but your impatience and laziness is not a valid reason for CCP to have to alter ingame mechanics.
Quoting Hellen Kurvora: GÇ£This is not some regular gate camp in which if u fly properly u can burn back to the gate, or align and warp off, we are talking about gate camps that can lock you and your pod instantly while eating dinner and sucking a lolly pop, then ruining your night.GÇ¥
Eve involves myriad arms races, at every level of engagement. If your gate camp loses too many people because they burn back and bravely run away, then you escalate to include high-alpha fast lockers and / or fast-locking webbers. The downside of those ships is that they are purpose focussed and so die quickly when confronted with a well run utility PvP gang GǪ one-trick ponies.
Mebbe you are missing something here GǪ they want to ruin your night and they want to suck on their bacon-flavoured lollipops. They are not out there to pursue some elitist gudfites ethos, they want you dead, they want you crying, and they want you mad GǪ and you are feeding them all of those things.
Quoting Hellen Kurvora: GÇ£Come on guys, this is not pvp, this is pure griefing. Its one thing to set up a genuine gate camp, it's another to be able to exploit ships so easily so as to turn that gate camp into an impenetrable gate of doom for every ship who wonders by. This is not null sec where all bets are off, this is low sec, its ridiculous. Milita are the ones who are getting hit the most because pirates are having a field day griefing every ship that passes by in faction space. Its truly broken gameplay. Please fix thisGÇ¥
In summary you seem to be unhappy because other players in eve are not playing to the rule set you want them to. You want to define PvP your own way, and GÇÿgenuineGÇÖ gate camps according to your own rules, and have CCP preclude others from doing those things differently.
IGÇÖm sorry, but I think you need to grow a pair and get yourself in with a helpful noob-friendly gang that can teach you more about how eve works GǪ in a nurturing supportive environment.
I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
160
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:32:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:Before I begin, I am an avid hardcore PVP player, and I am not a carebear, but there is genuinly a problem that needs to be looked at..... Insta lock gate camps. It is just too easy to set up a 10 to 20 man insta lock gate camp in low sec to which a person has no defense whatsoever, and are pretty much assured to lose whatever ship they are flying AND their pod. Other then avoid low sec all together there is really nothing to do to defend yourself. Which eliminates many of eve's more fun elements like faction war. Its at the point where I am afraid to undock and do any faction war gameplay, in fear of some pirate griefing camp at a gate poding me. I have lost over 2 billion isk worth of ships and implants to gate camps in two weeks. I just flew through tama, and I kid you not, there were 31 frozen corpses at the gate from a gate camp. 31.... That's f'ing ridiculous.
We are not talking about pilot error, or strategy, there really genuinly is no defense when u have 20 insta lock thrashers sitting off a gate. Intel is not always good, or available, and it is not exactly reasonable to wait for intel before every jump in low sec. This is not some regular gate camp in which if u fly properly u can burn back to the gate, or align and warp off, we are talking about gate camps that can lock you and your pod instantly while eating dinner and sucking a lolly pop, then ruining your night. Come on guys, this is not pvp, this is pure griefing. Its one thing to set up a genuine gate camp, it's another to be able to exploit ships so easily so as to turn that gate camp into an impenetrable gate of doom for every ship who wonders by. This is not null sec where all bets are off, this is low sec, its ridiculous. Milita are the ones who are getting hit the most because pirates are having a field day griefing every ship that passes by in faction space. Its truly broken gameplay. Please fix this
Working as intended. -Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper |

Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
58
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Posted - 2013.06.17 23:02:00 -
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A gate camp in Tama of all places?!?! I presume you did the smart thing and continually flew into Tama repeatedly until you'd blown through 2b worth of **** before wondering if something might have been amiss...
Gate camps happen, it's part of the game. Combat wise it shouldn't be very hard to kill all those ships who've severely nerfed their ability to actually fight if you can form a gang to do so. And if you can't get a gang together, you probably shouldn't be soloing in expensive ships in the first place. |
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
615
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Posted - 2013.06.18 00:16:00 -
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"avid hardcore pvp'er"?
Didnt you nearly quit after i tackled your faction fit NOsprey with a maulus? I told you it was a bad idea to solo in such a ship unless you know what you envelope of engagement is but you still went on to lose 2 more in the same day.
Its already been said, scouting/intel etc. If you dont always have intel perhaps you should look into that instead?
If you deny these camps nice kills the camps will manage themselves. Its hard to get 10-20 guys to sit on a gate when all they kill are ill informed pilots in badly fit frigates and dessies. |

Zoe Fishpants
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
12
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Posted - 2013.06.18 00:53:00 -
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Part of the problem is that you're looking at this as a problem rather than an opportunity. The type of gate camp you've described is basically begging for you and 30 or 40 of your closest friends to hop into cheap T1 frigs, jump into the camped gate, burn point blank at the most expensive thing you can, and kill it. If you're really lucky, your gate campers will cry in local about what a bunch of horrible, terrible blobbers you are, thus completing the cycle of elite pvp. |

Fret Thiesant
Oregon Trail rising
22
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Posted - 2013.06.18 00:55:00 -
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Hit the map button.
Select show pods killed last hour.
It's low sec if there's more than 1 or 2 thats a gatecamp.
But than you already know that being hardcore and all. |

Haulie Berry
1085
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:00:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:Perkin Warbeck wrote:For some reason the words intel and scouting sprang to mind while reading this post. Best defence against insta-lock gate camps is not to be there in the first place. Then you didnt bother to read my post because I covered both of those and how intel is not always accurate or available.
You say this like it's a bad thing, or some problem that needs to be addressed. 
This is a definite case of a need to HTFU. |

Zappity
Kurved Space
132
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:05:00 -
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Fret Thiesant wrote:Hit the map button.
Select show pods killed last hour.
It's low sec if there's more than 1 or 2 thats a gatecamp.
But than you already know that being hardcore and all.
Yep. And if jumping into Rancer, Tama, Amamake, [insert others] then just assume there is a camp on the other side no matter what the maps says. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |

ChYph3r
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:05:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:Before I begin, I am an avid hardcore PVP player, and I am not a carebear, but there is genuinly a problem that needs to be looked at..... Insta lock gate camps. It is just too easy to set up a 10 to 20 man insta lock gate camp in low sec to which a person has no defense whatsoever, and are pretty much assured to lose whatever ship they are flying AND their pod. Other then avoid low sec all together there is really nothing to do to defend yourself. Which eliminates many of eve's more fun elements like faction war. Its at the point where I am afraid to undock and do any faction war gameplay, in fear of some pirate griefing camp at a gate poding me. I have lost over 2 billion isk worth of ships and implants to gate camps in two weeks. I just flew through tama, and I kid you not, there were 31 frozen corpses at the gate from a gate camp. 31.... That's f'ing ridiculous.
We are not talking about pilot error, or strategy, there really genuinly is no defense when u have 20 insta lock thrashers sitting off a gate. Intel is not always good, or available, and it is not exactly reasonable to wait for intel before every jump in low sec. This is not some regular gate camp in which if u fly properly u can burn back to the gate, or align and warp off, we are talking about gate camps that can lock you and your pod instantly while eating dinner and sucking a lolly pop, then ruining your night. Come on guys, this is not pvp, this is pure griefing. Its one thing to set up a genuine gate camp, it's another to be able to exploit ships so easily so as to turn that gate camp into an impenetrable gate of doom for every ship who wonders by. This is not null sec where all bets are off, this is low sec, its ridiculous. Milita are the ones who are getting hit the most because pirates are having a field day griefing every ship that passes by in faction space. Its truly broken gameplay. Please fix this
sniff sniff.....yup them be tears 
Zappity wrote: Yep. And if jumping into Rancer, Tama, Amamake, [insert others] then just assume there is a camp on the other side no matter what the maps says.
you forgot Old Man Star as well http://evepodcasts.com PODSIDE Personality @chyph3r-á on Twitter
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Sycotic Deninard
Basgerin Pirate SCUM.
35
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:29:00 -
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A person that does'nt use his intelligence is no better that an animal that has none and thus are steaks on the table.
Dinner is served!  |

Grandma Squirel
Squirel Enterprises
10
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:40:00 -
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For all the crying about insta lock, I have never had anyone succeed in locking my covops frigs, or cloaky nullified T3. I have regularly jumped both into large gate camps of all variety, I certainly have lost my share of covops frigs to competent decloakers, a few to really unlucky jump in locations, and some to incompetence on my part, but never to the instalock.
Also, whoever suggested jumping frigates into an arty thrasher gang... lol. You really want to kill em, bring a few BC with 720 arty and have a field day. |

Perkin Warbeck
Amarrian Space Poodles 24eme Legion Etrangere
142
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:06:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:Perkin Warbeck wrote:For some reason the words intel and scouting sprang to mind while reading this post. Best defence against insta-lock gate camps is not to be there in the first place. Then you didnt bother to read my post because I covered both of those and how intel is not always accurate or available. Not to mention waiting for intel before every jump in low sec will take a loooong time to get anywhere.
Oh no. I read your post. |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
383
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:20:00 -
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cloak+mwd anyone? |
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Theroine
Justified Chaos
17
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:48:00 -
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All hail the arty Thrasher. |

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
223
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:45:00 -
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Hellen Kurvora wrote:Before I begin, I am an avid hardcore PVP player, and I am not a carebear, but there is genuinly a problem that needs to be looked at..... Insta lock gate camps.
tldr; I got killed by a decent gate camp and .... *snif* .... it's just NOT FAIR!
... or that's how I read it.
Personally I thank the Gods of PVP when people are stupid enough to sit around on a gate and wait to die. It's so easy to find them.... put one cyno ship through the gate... get aggro and then dump a load of fire and brimstone on their parade. Your problem isn't the gate camp. Your problem is that you can't find 10 or 20 guys of your own to give them a "wuppen"!
My old Kung-fu teacher said something to me once that's kind of relevant here. He said, "the best block is to stay just out of range..... you're only IN range when you attack".
In terms of EVE it means "go around, not through". It sounds like you're having the same problem over and over again in a certain system. just add it to your avoid list.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
523
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Posted - 2013.06.18 09:21:00 -
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maybe you are just doing something wrong? |

Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard Amarr 7th Fleet
284
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Posted - 2013.06.18 09:52:00 -
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Perkin Warbeck wrote:For some reason the words intel and scouting sprang to mind while reading this post. Best defence against insta-lock gate camps is not to be there in the first place.
Shh, she's an avid pvp'er. |

Major Killz
SniggWaffe
215
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:39:00 -
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I also believe "gate camping" should be made difficult. I've always been an advocate for all star gates being constellation size gates. Which would be a hard counter to gate camps but not remove that game-play completely. - killz
My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos |

Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1131
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:35:00 -
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its not even instalock any more.
roll back a few years when the servers worked different you could get locked and popped much faster.
ccp added some sort of longer server tick or additional handshake, theres now a short mandatory delay. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg
I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Feffri
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:13:00 -
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Are you ******* serious?! I'm assuming this is a troll... however if it is not, then the only problem is you and all the others that are in caldari fw and live in high sec.
this is how you solve your problem, don't ******* live in high sec! I applaud the gate campers for making it so guys like this can't be lazy douches and just park all their **** in nourv. If you want to pvp in low sec then go live in low sec. You'll find it much easier to move around.
"oh it will take me forever to move all my stuff" three words black frog logistics and about 50 mil.
Also thank you for reminding me that leaving caldari fw was the best decision i ever made. |

Dzajic
125
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:01:00 -
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Working as intended. You can't be expected to play EVE without at least one true alt. Due to nature of instalocking camps it is however preferable to use noob alt on your alt so you don't lose anything when they exterminate the "scout".
Solutions are: watch intel channels, scout, take a different route even if its 3x longer. |

Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
103
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:20:00 -
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The solo carbear approach to this problem 1. pull up map 2. hit Pilots active and currently in space 3. hit ships killed in the last hour 4. think "Hmm, that system in low sec that I need to pass through. A lot of bodies in system, a lot of ships killed in the last hour. I'll go another way, or go another time, or both"
Like anything in Eve it is certainly not 100% foolproof but it does lower the risk |

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
223
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:25:00 -
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Dzajic wrote:
Solutions are: watch intel channels, scout, take a different route even if its 3x longer.
I would also like to add to this, that not having a scout is no excuse.... A suicide scout with an alpha clone can be very effective if don't have any other options. It allows to stick your proboscis into the next system along the way for zero cost if he dies. This is especially effective in low-sec where you can dock every few jumps and move your medical clone.
Just saying.
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