Tell me how you get 1400 dps autos and range at all after this expansion? You're not using faction ammo I hope? :') :') :') If you mission for ISK anyway, le faction ammo will drain your wallet faster than you earn ISK.

Since I buy faction ammo in lots of 100k with trade-in ammo I build in my spare time and Concord LP from Incursions I never really worry about the cost. I also build my T2 ammo in my spare time as well, so here the breakdown with todays prices.

Hail= 320isk each
Barrage= 215isk each
Quake= 415isk each
Republic Fleet ammo= about 600 per shot plus 3.3 LP every time 7 guns cycle
(105isk and .48 LP and 480 ISK each)

I build ammo in batches of 800k each so I rarely pay attention to the cost. Currently have a bit of overstock on ammo (Noticed thanks to this conversation) selling 700k Hail and making some more since the profit margin is so high right now.

And yes the Tracking Enhancer nerf took roughly 20km off my autocannons so I dropped one TE-II for a Sig-Amp and added a scripted TC-II to the mids and I am back to essentially the same pre-nerf range.

Not to play devils advocate but the question was how do you get that DPS "at range". 1300 DPS @ 4k is not 1300DPS @ 40k by a longshot, no pun intended.

Seems legit. And good idea to swap out a TE for a TC. I still wonder how 1400dps with auto's is even remotely possible however. If you include 4 Garde II's you can reach that kind of DPS though. (at 4km optimal =p)

Just unloaded the drones and checked to be sure, and your right I am only getting 1357dps / Hail, 1216dps / RF EMP, 963dps / Barrage.

1597 with Guards, or 1437 with Warriors. and Hail L.

With hail... yes. -30% tracking.

Not to play devils advocate but the question was how do you get that DPS "at range". 1300 DPS @ 4k is not 1300DPS @ 40k by a longshot, no pun intended.

Yeah for missions like Vengance where everything spawns between 20 and 30 km, just use an Auto targeting II and kill everything long before it gets any transversal if it does get transversal Pulse the MWD and wait for the rat to adjust to pop it. Vengance takes me about 12 minutes to complete.

And BTW the Tracking Comp II with a script coincidently give a 35% boost to tracking.

What are you getting in your missile boats if you don't mind me asking?

I'm only getting 13 in my TFI but its because theres only one Sansha mission worth doing in Minmatar space.

That also. A TFI can actually put ouf 1500+ dps at 100km though, not that that is actual applied DPS either. At anything smaller than a battleship anyway.

I believe from a math post that quite of lot of that DPS actually is applied. Far more than one might expect if you use a three slot tank.

If you know how to use EFT or PYFA, you will find that it is clearly not.

Only because he used gardes. Try it with bouncers. It reaches right out to lock range, no drama.

The difference between bouncers and gardes is 50dps at my skills.

TFI can realistically top a lot of the boats with the raw dps numbers and speed.

Do the The AssaultGäó, full clear in <15 minutes in that and I'll be impressed.

That being said, I'm being an ass because there's always an exception to prove the rule.

Ironically the assault is one of the best blitz missions there is because the gates are unlocked and you only need to kill 1 group to complete it.

Also, 2 boosters + scripts completely negate the damping in that mission if you want to kill everything.