Machariel versus Angels/Rogue Drones

Nightmare versus Sansha/Blood Raiders

Vindicator versus Guristas/Serpentis/EoM/Mercenaries

While missles are flying towards the frigates the 800s/Neutrons/Tachyons are volleying them before they get up to speed.

While missles are flying towards the frigates the 800s/Neutrons/Tachyons are volleying them before they get up to speed.

Have you actually tried a CNR since the patch ?

I tried it on SiSi with meta 4 cruise missles and another setup with T2 torps... still takes forever and a day to kill frigates.

Target painters need to be buffed when used against NPC targets.

You can also use Sentry drones to blap frigs on the approach and if they get under the sentry tracking then use lights to finish them off, don't waste your Cruise volleys on them, in the end losing the ability to easily blap frigs isn't as severely crippling to the Navy Raven anymore, it also boasts the best projection with 940 dps to 122km with missiles alone meaning if the rats spawn at range (happens often) the Raven will be doing more damage than the Nightmare, Mach or Vindi, the damage starts to even as the rats come closer but at a top of 1120 dps with drones it's pretty close even at closer ranges.

Honestly I think it's pretty close to being one of the best mission boats, I doubt it would beat a Nightmare at EM/Therm rats but I'm thinking it could give the Vindicator/Machariel a run for their money on longer range missions.

I dont have max skills yet but with +5 implants i'm getting 949 dps and 8236 volley damage.

EDIT: I've just done sansha pirate invasion and killed everything in 12 minutes total (from accepting the mission to handing it in)

EDIT2: Those damage numbers are from missile damage only.

Even with pretty crappy skills the 3 turret based pirate faction battleships breeze over 1k dps applied as soon as the turret cycles.

Other ships might do certain npc and mission better but for overall userbillity against anything the CNR is very bloody good.

There's a set pool of missions (A small, stagnant pool I might add). The NPC's spawn at the exact same range as they always do in a given mission.

After a few weeks of running missions its not difficult to have memorized what exactly you need for each mission, and if you can't then you can look at mission reports and get exact information on everything involved with running any given mission.

You don't need any overall usability, you need to cater your ship to get the specific mission done as quickly as possible.

How do you customize a Nightmare to fight against Angels, EOM, Mordu's Legion or Guristas ?

I don't know, my CNR, at all V without implants is 1177 DPS, including drones. The drones have sufficient tracking to murder frigs (unless they spwan on top if you) and anything cruiser and up dies in a fire to the new cruises.

You customize your nightmare against angels by switching to mach before the mission.


I dont know, but after initial enthusiasm my feeling about cruise missile ships is back to "please npc, dont pulse mwd while Im shooting at you...****...please npc, dont pulse rep...****... dont shoot defender..."

...and I really miss being able to 1 shot frigs with half of the guns and hate seeing some npcs are left with 10% hull and i will waste full volley on them.

I dont know, but after initial enthusiasm my feeling about cruise missile ships is back to "please npc, dont pulse mwd while Im shooting at you...****...please npc, dont pulse rep...****... dont shoot defender..."

...and I really miss being able to 1 shot frigs with half of the guns and hate seeing some npcs are left with 10% hull and i will waste full volley on them.

I know what you mean and it may just be the fact I also have missile implants, but I just dont find it a material issue. What I tend to use the drones for is mopping up those rare rats that the cruises dont insta-pop and just keep the cruises walking up the locked target chain whilst the drones catch up on any stragglers (and there /really/ aren't many).

I use a similar pattern with the phoon when I use that boat, only the drones rip through even quicker due to the extra number of them and more DDAs.


@ExcalibursTemplar: If you're excited by the CNR, look at a properly fitted TFI, that thing is just hilarious. Without implants, 1418dps out to 39+12 (on the gardes), or 1363DPS out to lock range (bouncers), most of it applied. Add implants and you're talking silly numbers. And thats not even a deadspace fit, T2, some faction only.

I don't get what your trying to say there, you can use half your missiles on a CNR to instant pop frigs. Elite frigs do take a couple of volleys of a full rack but to be honest you can just use drones on them to kill them just as fast while you take out the battleships and battlecruiser/cruisers.
Just out of interest do you know what your completion time for Sansha Pirate invasion is ?

I know for a fact from accepting the mission and killing absolutely everything to handing it in takes me 12 minutes.

What's the best one as in for speed to clear the mission, money no object.

While missles are flying towards the frigates the 800s/Neutrons/Tachyons are volleying them before they get up to speed.

show some bounty ticks.

Avoiding dread pirate scarlet because of her 5 mil bounty for 1 salvo

2013.02.15 15:52:04 Bounty Prizes 14,591,250.00 ISK

did that in a t2 fit domi some time ago, had I had more firepower it would still have been the same amount, because I was entering a pocket in a different system when the wallet flashed. The problem with mission ticks is that they get curtailed by the red crosses running out before the 20 minutes are up.