Eve is not too crowded, there's plenty of empty space waiting creative MMO players to take it and make their place.

I'm pretty sure I read posts like this back in 2006 when I first started playing.

I think it's human nature to always see the past through rose-colored glasses.

You're right, they are going in the opposite direction and have been for a long time. Thanks for confirming that they don't listen to GD complaints about it Malcanis.

For evidence that they're trying to tap into mainstream markets just look at the two other games they decided to develop, an FPS and Vampires. As far as EVE goes it's not hard to see why they don't equate hardcore PVP with this mainstream audience ($$$) considering their competition.

You're right, they are going in the opposite direction and have been for a long time.

The past wasn't so bad.

I heard in the 1950's there were twice as many public facilities in the United States like washrooms and drinking fountains per capita then there are today.

See, silver linings everywhere.

I'm pretty sure I read posts like this back in 2006 when I first started playing.

EDIT: here we go, that didn't take long. I literally clicked on a random page of GD threads in EVE-Search and on the very first page I got this beauty:

This is not the EVE I once knew

Posted - 2005.05.10 01:17:00 - [1]

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Edited by: Felsin on 10/05/2005 01:19:42
This version of EVE that we currently play is a lesser version of the one I once knew. Following the trend of every company to ever attempt a pvp based mmo, they have catered to the whiners and moved the direction of their game towards grinding, items, and pve.

The unique concept of EVE, a world with no rules. Governed by the players within it and conquered by the thirsty. Our ambition was awarded with loot and treasure which surpassed any in mmo's of past( except UO). The original pirates and alliances of our lands ruled as they saw fit and in general one EVE player trusted one another.

This understood bond between certain types of people such as the formation of high sec miners, pirates, and full on alliances lead to a world of political spider webs in which we weaved our own destiny. Over the months CCP saw fit to crush certain play styles ending the reign of the real pirates and alliances. Now the purpose was simply to crush.

As time went on and players gained rediculous amounts of isk because of raised rewards in high sec space and tech 2 bpo's, the game now lost the risk it once had. With players no longer caring about battleships and no longer trusting one another (due to the fact that everyone just kills as fast as possible after the death of pirating) and the fact that no one cares what ship they lose as it is replaced so easily, they lost their pride as EVE players.

Pirates of the new EVE realising that the only fun is killing those who care what they lose, they constantly try to kill as many new players and as many people who care about their losses as possible. They dont do it for money or control of areas or even fame, just for the gank.

Seeing this degrade in the community, CCP stepped in to cater to the wants of the community. Having a high percentage of non pvpers on the forums and whiners in general, CCP attemped to satisfy the player base by listening to these people. Adding high rewards in high sec and little reason to venture into 0.0, the lands became brutal with ganks everywhere.

Now CCP trying to keep players happy enhances their pve in an attempt to balance the gameplay. Adding vastly improved items based on months of training, they managed to destroy the balance within the pvp world. Now realising that they had forced players to pve, they enhance that gameplay in an attempt to attract more players.

All of these equals an mmo just like all the rest. The original ideals of EVE are gone and we are left with a shadow of its formal glory. They catered to the wants of the whiners and no longer satisfy the community they once had. The original players I once knew are ALL gone replaced by the normal mmo world of npcers and no loss whiners. These Npcers go to EVERY mmo that comes out and they just go from game to game not caring what the game is all about or the community as a whole. CCP has abandoned their dream and now reach for profit.

My glory has ended and my smiles are gone. I miss you EVE...

You dont really know anything about World of Darkness, do you?

Its not mainstream.

Never was, never will be

40's

Eve is not too crowded, there's plenty of empty space waiting creative MMO players to take it and make their place.

Most problematic i find low sec. Ther's more and more pushes to get people out of hisec and rightly so but low sec is just too small, cramped and overcrowded to handle even more players. It's only a good place if pvp is your main activity.

I started eve nearly two years ago, and all the changes HAVE been better for at least.

Anyone who would argue the core pvp gameplay has not degraded since launch either purely carebeared or didnt play at launch or the few years after.