Eve is not too crowded, there's plenty of empty space waiting creative MMO players to take it and make their place.

I'm pretty sure I read posts like this back in 2006 when I first started playing.

I think it's human nature to always see the past through rose-colored glasses.

You're right, they are going in the opposite direction and have been for a long time. Thanks for confirming that they don't listen to GD complaints about it Malcanis.

For evidence that they're trying to tap into mainstream markets just look at the two other games they decided to develop, an FPS and Vampires. As far as EVE goes it's not hard to see why they don't equate hardcore PVP with this mainstream audience ($$$) considering their competition.

You're right, they are going in the opposite direction and have been for a long time.

The past wasn't so bad.

I heard in the 1950's there were twice as many public facilities in the United States like washrooms and drinking fountains per capita then there are today.

See, silver linings everywhere.

I'm pretty sure I read posts like this back in 2006 when I first started playing.

EDIT: here we go, that didn't take long. I literally clicked on a random page of GD threads in EVE-Search and on the very first page I got this beauty:

This is not the EVE I once knew

Posted - 2005.05.10 01:17:00 - [1]

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Edited by: Felsin on 10/05/2005 01:19:42
This version of EVE that we currently play is a lesser version of the one I once knew. Following the trend of every company to ever attempt a pvp based mmo, they have catered to the whiners and moved the direction of their game towards grinding, items, and pve.

The unique concept of EVE, a world with no rules. Governed by the players within it and conquered by the thirsty. Our ambition was awarded with loot and treasure which surpassed any in mmo's of past( except UO). The original pirates and alliances of our lands ruled as they saw fit and in general one EVE player trusted one another.

This understood bond between certain types of people such as the formation of high sec miners, pirates, and full on alliances lead to a world of political spider webs in which we weaved our own destiny. Over the months CCP saw fit to crush certain play styles ending the reign of the real pirates and alliances. Now the purpose was simply to crush.

As time went on and players gained rediculous amounts of isk because of raised rewards in high sec space and tech 2 bpo's, the game now lost the risk it once had. With players no longer caring about battleships and no longer trusting one another (due to the fact that everyone just kills as fast as possible after the death of pirating) and the fact that no one cares what ship they lose as it is replaced so easily, they lost their pride as EVE players.

Pirates of the new EVE realising that the only fun is killing those who care what they lose, they constantly try to kill as many new players and as many people who care about their losses as possible. They dont do it for money or control of areas or even fame, just for the gank.

Seeing this degrade in the community, CCP stepped in to cater to the wants of the community. Having a high percentage of non pvpers on the forums and whiners in general, CCP attemped to satisfy the player base by listening to these people. Adding high rewards in high sec and little reason to venture into 0.0, the lands became brutal with ganks everywhere.

Now CCP trying to keep players happy enhances their pve in an attempt to balance the gameplay. Adding vastly improved items based on months of training, they managed to destroy the balance within the pvp world. Now realising that they had forced players to pve, they enhance that gameplay in an attempt to attract more players.

All of these equals an mmo just like all the rest. The original ideals of EVE are gone and we are left with a shadow of its formal glory. They catered to the wants of the whiners and no longer satisfy the community they once had. The original players I once knew are ALL gone replaced by the normal mmo world of npcers and no loss whiners. These Npcers go to EVERY mmo that comes out and they just go from game to game not caring what the game is all about or the community as a whole. CCP has abandoned their dream and now reach for profit.

My glory has ended and my smiles are gone. I miss you EVE...

You dont really know anything about World of Darkness, do you?

Its not mainstream.

Never was, never will be

40's

Eve is not too crowded, there's plenty of empty space waiting creative MMO players to take it and make their place.

Most problematic i find low sec. Ther's more and more pushes to get people out of hisec and rightly so but low sec is just too small, cramped and overcrowded to handle even more players. It's only a good place if pvp is your main activity.

I started eve nearly two years ago, and all the changes HAVE been better for at least.

Anyone who would argue the core pvp gameplay has not degraded since launch either purely carebeared or didnt play at launch or the few years after.

It's all those new young whipper snappers who have bad manners. EVE society is declining. Just like real life society has been declining....for the last 6000 years!

For some reason , some people naturally think of the past as "better" and the present as not so much. i've just never felt that way, past, present, or future, it's all pretty much crap to me

Anyone who would argue the core pvp gameplay has not degraded since launch either purely carebeared or didnt play at launch or the few years after.

Anyone who would argue the core pvp gameplay has not degraded since launch either purely carebeared or didnt play at launch or the few years after.

[quote=Johan Toralen]As an explorer when I first started, it really felt uncharted. Diving into Low sec, the "what if" I come across a hostile feeling.

Now, I know that pretty much EVERY system I jump into, i'm going to find someone. I don't mind that as such, that's the nature of the game. But, I do miss that feeling of being the only one out there, in that vast, cold void.

Yea that's what i'm talking about. Just read the explorers chat for a night. Running sites in low gets people strange looks almost. Because why deal with the risks in the overcrowded systems when you can farm hisec for equal or better rewards, right? Or since Odyssey the reports about how easy it is to farm explorers themself in low sec. Nobody bothers about mining in low sec etc. It's a little off isn't it? And that's only because it's overcrowded imo. Nullsec should be more dangerous in theory but in reality it isn't.

So excuse me Malcanis when i agree with OP on that point.

If you like, I'll agree that the risk takes different forms in 0.0 than it does in lo-sec, but not that risk isn't present. That's a propoganda meme right up there with "all pirates are bad people IRL"

I said in theory it should be more dangerous then low sec

I didn't say there is no risk. I said in theory it should be more dangerous then low sec (bubble camps!) But for me as a neutral it's a safer place then low sec in reality and that fact simply comes down to population density and thereby supports OP's claim that Eve is overcrowded.

First, Eve need to expand. ItGÇÖs too crowded; we need more systems to do our thing in. I am not talking about a token system growth; we need four or five times as many systems as we have now.
I remember when we got excited when Eve passed the 10,000 player on-line mile stone. Now on a quiet night Eve has 40,000+ players. All levels of Eve need more systems be it Empire, Null Sec or Worm Hole.

Third, do away with Concord and even faction police to an extent. Let player pirates have a chance of getting away after committing their crimes in Empire Space.
OK, there needs to be a small number of GÇÿSanctuary systemsGÇÖ; say current 1.0-0.9 systems, Just to give new players somewhere safe to GÇÿfind their feetGÇÖ. That is the only place which should stay the same as high sec is now, and the only system to retain a Concord presence, with Concord also being able to GÇÿpodGÇÖ anybody who tries using a Barge or Exhumer to mine the few low end asteroids there.

Translation: I'm a whiney bittervet who likes using words like carebear to make myself feel important.

You dont really know anything about World of Darkness, do you?


Its not mainstream.

Never was, never will be

You're right, they are going in the opposite direction and have been for a long time. Thanks for confirming that they don't listen to GD complaints about it Malcanis.

For evidence that they're trying to tap into mainstream markets just look at the two other games they decided to develop, an FPS and Vampires. As far as EVE goes it's not hard to see why they don't equate hardcore PVP with this mainstream audience ($$$) considering their competition.

Irrespective of WoD and it's relative popularity, I'm almost positive CCP purchased White Wolf in the middle of the Twilight fad

Nullsec is plenty dangerous tyvm. The idea that it's "safe" is a forum talking point invented by people who don't live there and have a vested interest in people thinking that null is safe.

If you like, I'll agree that the risk takes different forms in 0.0 than it does in lo-sec, but not that risk isn't present. That's a propoganda meme right up there with "all pirates are bad people IRL"

some people naturally think of the past as "better" and the present as not so much.

Poasting in "EVE is dying" thread #9848921

Eve is not too crowded, there's plenty of empty space waiting creative MMO players to take it and make their place.

But as I see and watch the gradual dumbing down of the game so at to make it more appealing to the masses spoon fed on the likes of WoW and LotRO all I feel is despair, because for me Eve is quickly starting to lose its soul

But the balance is simple. Once your standing goGÇÖs red, you are always fair game to anybody or everybody. You become an outlaw who every player faction NPC station will close its doors to.
You are pushed to the fringe of civilisation.

. Max has been all over Eve, but the last three years he has turned into a High Sec care bear because I let my siege mentality lock me in.

i live in null. it is pretty safe, tbh.