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MickeyFinn
Relentless Terrorism
The Syndicate.
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:21:00 -
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1v1 can be a fun way to pass the time right? Then 10 guards come in and perma tank everything. Whats stopping CCP from just hitting a remote repper with concord. Forget suspect. You get 10 guards linked and on field... Its going to take alot of DPS to break them.
So just concord them. Plain. Simple and perfect. Asking and or accepting a 1v1 is saying i want a fair fight. So again. Concord is what a high sec RR alt should get for repping a 1v1 fight under the duel duel mechanic.
Take it from a pirate.. Eve life is not always fair 1v1's. But pointless to have a duel mechanic if its not really ever a true 1v1.. lol
Thanks for making another pointless mechanic.
MickeyFinn |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
1142
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:24:00 -
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Its used properly by many many more than its abused by: there fore it works.
Perhaps learn to pick your duals better and perhaps hit scan more often :P
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Aegis Solaris
1977
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:27:00 -
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Or bring your own guards.
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MickeyFinn
Relentless Terrorism
The Syndicate.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:27:00 -
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Lol hit your scan in jita.. Or amarr.. It may be somthing not used alot. But a real duel mechanic would not let you do it at all. So nice try and all. But its still a half assed duel mechanic. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
93
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:29:00 -
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MickeyFinn wrote:1v1 can be a fun way to pass the time right? Then 10 guards come in and perma tank everything. Whats stopping CCP from just hitting a remote repper with concord. Forget suspect. You get 10 guards linked and on field... Its going to take alot of DPS to break them.
So just concord them. Plain. Simple and perfect. Asking and or accepting a 1v1 is saying i want a fair fight. So again. Concord is what a high sec RR alt should get for repping a 1v1 fight under the duel duel mechanic.
Take it from a pirate.. Eve life is not always fair 1v1's. But pointless to have a duel mechanic if its not really ever a true 1v1.. lol
Thanks for making another pointless mechanic.
MickeyFinn
The term Duel in Iceland is a misnomer. It actually historically translated to will you fight me and my 10 viking mates hiding behind that boulder over yonder.
This is EvE.
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
1602
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:31:00 -
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You can fight fair, or you can fight to win. Most of us are pursuing the second option.
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Private Pineapple
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability
Reckless Ambition
369
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:31:00 -
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1v1's in highsec are an illusion. Most highsec duelers are fleeted up with a OGB alt.
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MickeyFinn
Relentless Terrorism
The Syndicate.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:43:00 -
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Private Pineapple wrote:1v1's in highsec are an illusion. Most highsec duelers are fleeted up with a OGB alt.
Point made.. Concord will fix that. :) |
Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis
Expoit This Mf's
23
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:00:00 -
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Also how about a duel is automatically canceled if the challenger docks so he can get his Raven out and get his cheap lulz. You must fight in whatever ship you challenged with. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2956
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:01:00 -
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Another fair-fights or Eve is dying thread. |
Spurty
900
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:04:00 -
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Auto Reject Duel challenges. Turn it on.
Want to 1 v 1, there's a LOT of null space with zero people in it, go there.
2 in local and we have a 1 v 1
Anymore than 2 in local and you get whats coming to you for trusting people in eve
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MickeyFinn
Relentless Terrorism
The Syndicate.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:39:00 -
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LOL he said go to null sec.. Mahahahahha Jesus.. Yea not going to go to fail sec to have a 1v1. Nothing anyone has said changes the fact that anyone assisting to trying to help someone in a 1v1 in high sec should be killed by concord. End of story. Lol null sec.. jesus that was funny. |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
133
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:42:00 -
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MickeyFinn wrote:LOL he said go to null sec.. Mahahahahha Jesus.. Yea not going to go to fail sec to have a 1v1. Nothing anyone has said changes the fact that anyone assisting to trying to help someone in a 1v1 in high sec should be killed by concord. End of story. Lol null sec.. jesus that was funny.
That is a bad idea and you should feel bad. Don't duel. Duels in HS are a scam more times than not so don't do it. |
MickeyFinn
Relentless Terrorism
The Syndicate.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:49:00 -
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Its a bad idea to duel.. why? Ooooo wait the point of all it was about? Makeing it fair. I sware i think we should remove all the downs kids from eve.. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2071
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:53:00 -
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Duels are only as honest as the people participating.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Aranial
Empyrean Warriors
Insidious Empire
27
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:53:00 -
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EvE and fair. Sorry to tell you but you're playing the wrong game if you want fair, If you're playing for fair in EvE you're doing it wrong because no one else is. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15042
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:53:00 -
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Pff.
There are plenty of 1v1s to be had. You just have to kill the other 20 guys first. Hell, they're so common that you can get dozens of them in a row.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1210
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:54:00 -
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1) Join fleet with the person you want to duel.
2) Go to a safe spot.
3) Offer the duel.
4) ????
5) Fair fight?
HTFU!...for the children! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4652
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:55:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:1) Join fleet with the person you want to duel.
2) Go to a safe spot.
3) Offer the duel.
4) ????
5) Fair fight?
::effort::
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
133
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:55:00 -
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MickeyFinn wrote:Its a bad idea to duel.. why? Ooooo wait the point of all it was about? Makeing it fair. I sware i think we should remove all the downs kids from eve..
Child please... I don't want you to be removed from EVE. Just realize what EVE is and allows... |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:58:00 -
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The point was not at all to make duels fair. It was to give people a "legit" and quick way to fight each other in high sec. Before the duel function was implemented, people dropped cans and stole from them to initiate a duel. It worked, but it was also just a workaround, and since CCP remade the whole empire aggression mechanics thingy anyway, they implemented a legit and straightforward way to initiate combat with another capsuleer. I am certain it was never intended to make eve a space-honourable esports game. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
8274
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:02:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:1) Join fleet with the person you want to duel.
2) Go to a safe spot.
3) Offer the duel.
4) ????
5) Fair fight?
6) Bring your own RR alts that already have the safespot bookmarked
Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
458
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:09:00 -
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Why duel when you can caaaaaare beeeeaaaaar.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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BadAssMcKill
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
287
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:11:00 -
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Andski wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:1) Join fleet with the person you want to duel.
2) Go to a safe spot.
3) Offer the duel.
4) ????
5) Fair fight? 6) Bring your own RR alts that already have the safespot bookmarked
Do you have no honore?
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MickeyFinn
Relentless Terrorism
The Syndicate.
3
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:38:00 -
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Neuntausend wrote:The point was not at all to make duels fair. It was to give people a "legit" and quick way to fight each other in high sec. Before the duel function was implemented, people dropped cans and stole from them to initiate a duel. It worked, but it was also just a workaround, and since CCP remade the whole empire aggression mechanics thingy anyway, they implemented a legit and straightforward way to initiate combat with another capsuleer. I am certain it was never intended to make eve a space-honourable esports game.
The goon said "legit" Like a goon knows what that is.. LOL Stop with all the eve is not fair. This is one part of eve and it needs to be fair.
You can say it all day that eve is unfair. But it dose not change that have a 1v1 system that lets other become involved in is still a broken part of the game.
They did alot of things right with this game. and they have done alot wrong. This one is wrong. Just concord people and move on. Easy fix.
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Nikolai Lachance
Happy Wheels Logistics
15
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:47:00 -
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What's the saying? If you find yourself in a fair and balanced fight, you've both screwed up.
Offering a duel isn't offering a fair fight, it's offering to agree to tell concord not to bug you while you shoot at each other. Everything else is up to you. If you want a fair fight, work it out with your opponent. If you can't trust him to fight fair then don't. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5250
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:47:00 -
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MickeyFinn wrote:Neuntausend wrote:The point was not at all to make duels fair. It was to give people a "legit" and quick way to fight each other in high sec. Before the duel function was implemented, people dropped cans and stole from them to initiate a duel. It worked, but it was also just a workaround, and since CCP remade the whole empire aggression mechanics thingy anyway, they implemented a legit and straightforward way to initiate combat with another capsuleer. I am certain it was never intended to make eve a space-honourable esports game. The goon said "legit" Like a goon knows what that is.. LOL Stop with all the eve is not fair. This is one part of eve and it needs to be fair. You can say it all day that eve is unfair. But it dose not change that have a 1v1 system that lets other become involved in is still a broken part of the game. They did alot of things right with this game. and they have done alot wrong. This one is wrong. Just concord people and move on. Easy fix.
And this is how they presented this "fair" dueling feature. It's pretty clear they were quite well aware how it would actually work.
I agree that your proposed solution to the problem is easy though. Easy and bad. |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
652
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:48:00 -
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Leave hi-sec. |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
459
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:12:00 -
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Just concord people and move on. Easy fix.
I like that.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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SpoonRECKLESS
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:22:00 -
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Eddard Stark was a man of Honour look what it cost him. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4288
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:33:00 -
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I see the mechanic described as offering a "Duel", not offering a "Guaranteed Fair and Equal Duel".
If you are concerned have some friends (or people you have hired) wait from those remote reppers to turn suspect.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:20:00 -
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MickeyFinn wrote:The goon said "legit" Like a goon knows what that is.. LOL Stop with all the eve is not fair. This is one part of eve and it needs to be fair.
Well, good luck with your honourable quest then. o7m8, see you on the battlefield.
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BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury
Tactical Narcotics Team
249
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:37:00 -
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MickeyFinn wrote:Asking and or accepting a 1v1 is saying i want a fair fight.
This is where you lost your way.
You assume too much.
Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
108
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Posted - 2013.06.20 22:38:00 -
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MickeyFinn wrote:Neuntausend wrote:The point was not at all to make duels fair. It was to give people a "legit" and quick way to fight each other in high sec. Before the duel function was implemented, people dropped cans and stole from them to initiate a duel. It worked, but it was also just a workaround, and since CCP remade the whole empire aggression mechanics thingy anyway, they implemented a legit and straightforward way to initiate combat with another capsuleer. I am certain it was never intended to make eve a space-honourable esports game. The goon said "legit" Like a goon knows what that is.. LOL Stop with all the eve is not fair. This is one part of eve and it needs to be fair. You can say it all day that eve is unfair. But it dose not change that have a 1v1 system that lets other become involved in is still a broken part of the game. They did alot of things right with this game. and they have done alot wrong. This one is wrong. Just concord people and move on. Easy fix.
The point of adding duels was not to create fair fights. Thats where you are falling down. CCP are VIKINGS they eat their guests! Do you know how many people have never returned from Fancest??? I dont either but I bet they could make an entire season of CSI out of it.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
528
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Posted - 2013.06.20 22:41:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Duels are only as honest as the people participating.
This. Duel with your Alliance mates, ex-corp members and friends if you want an honest 1vs1. The fact this system can be gamed makes it better, not worse. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
845
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Posted - 2013.06.20 22:54:00 -
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Welcome to EvE Online.
The Tears Must Flow |
Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis
Expoit This Mf's
25
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Posted - 2013.06.20 22:59:00 -
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I have never accepted a duel especially after I met a very experienced player in one encounter. Guy challenges me to a duel - he's in a Merlin, I'm in a Kestral. Hmmmm something fishy. So I declined it. Guy chats me and says Jimmy you made the right decision. I've got buddies just around the corner. I said yeah I thought something was up - so why are you running around challenging duels with backup? He said to see if any newbs are stupid enough to accept.
He turned out to be a really cool guy and talked to me for a long while giving me tips and such. But this leads to my question about dueling: If everyone in hisec wises up and doesn't accept a duel, and there are no duels, then what is the purpose for adding the dueling mechanic? I'm not asking for fair - I'm just wondering if everyone knows that a duel won't be a real duel but a slaughterfest, and no one engages in it, then it's worthless. Their can't be that many ignorant people left in hisec that don't know the lowdown of what a duel really entails. |
Anti-social Tendencies
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:04:00 -
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The OP makes a valid point and deserves more than the trolling he has gotten. Not sure I agree with him, but he doesn't deserve to be trashed.
"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE |
GreenSeed
505
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:21:00 -
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if you want a fair duel look for some of the other 99% of eve players that don't stand around at the jita/dodi/amarr undock... |
Krazynikomo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
66
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:29:00 -
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The moment you log into EVE, is the moment you say you don't want a fair fight.
Get used to it. |
Allieoren Sunji
9
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:30:00 -
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MickeyFinn wrote:1v1 can be a fun way to pass the time right? Then 10 guards come in and perma tank everything. Whats stopping CCP from just hitting a remote repper with concord. Forget suspect. You get 10 guards linked and on field... Its going to take alot of DPS to break them.
So just concord them. Plain. Simple and perfect. Asking and or accepting a 1v1 is saying i want a fair fight. So again. Concord is what a high sec RR alt should get for repping a 1v1 fight under the duel duel mechanic.
Take it from a pirate.. Eve life is not always fair 1v1's. But pointless to have a duel mechanic if its not really ever a true 1v1.. lol
Thanks for making another pointless mechanic.
MickeyFinn
why don't you suggest an introduction of an arena where you can fight against other teams in ~fairfights~
good luck to you in advance
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
655
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Posted - 2013.06.21 03:37:00 -
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My favorite one is when the guy Warps off to his alt, climbs into a shuttle, pops himself, spawns in station and undocks in the perfect ship, all while your ship is identified and scanned for fitting.
10/10 broken throughout completely.
Dualing should be, as soon as you dock or eject from ship, ship goes boom/byby |
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