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Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.21 13:23:00 - [1] Greetings all , I've been amazed at the amount of helpful information about EVE there is on the net, but I've also been dissapointed by how hard it sometimes is to find the right piece of knowledge! So I've started an open-source wiki for EVE fans at wiki.thewalledcity.us to help this problem. Go check it out and play around with it! Cool stuff: Any user can modify content without registration. Add your bio, your corp, you neat EVE spreadsheet, whatever! Get recognized and help other people while doing it. All entries in the webpage are entered automatically into a SEARCHABLE database Private site so no lag or ads Quickly growing community of wiki editors If you are a fan of the idea and site, give this a bump so it gets a sticky.
Callistus	Posted - 2005.11.21 13:27:00 - [2] Edited by: Callistus on 21/11/2005 13:28:12 Erm, I hate to rain on your parade but there's already a well established eve-wiki here. Edit: But its no longer a private site so perahps if you contact Luance you can join your efforts. -------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.11.21 14:29:00 - [3] My suggestion would be to make a Wiki that works 100% with the IGB as well. The idea of a community-run EVE wiki is fantastic, given the complete lack of proper documentation for the game. Whole new concepts are introduced, and we're left to our own devices to discover how the pieces fit together. I'm fine with that, discovery is good, but in some cases it can be a waste of time. So a community-driven documentation project would be GREAT and I'd certainly contribute to it as much as possible. But having it in-game would also be a bonus I think, the end result would be to get a linky put on the IGB default homepage so new users could access it to learn about things. Just a thought. winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
EVEnews Webmaster	Posted - 2005.11.21 16:21:00 - [4] there is plans to introduce a wiki on EVEnews.com if the interest is there in people maintaining it. EVEnews
MarkX	Posted - 2005.11.21 16:27:00 - [5] I'll help maintain it if you wish. Been an editor at Shadowness for just about 4 years now. (no link, obvious reasons, google it if you choose)
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.21 23:17:00 - [6] Callistus: Thanks for the heads up to the other existing EVEwiki. I see that we both have common goals and I'll contact Luance to see if he's interested in some kind of cooperative effort or hosting solution. Winterblink: I agree and think that the more functional and accessible a resource like this is - the better. I'm new to this whole wiki/webpage thing but I'm more than willing to look into any resources I can find. If you have any resource you wish to share, I'd appreciate them very much. EVEnews: If you are interested in a cooperative effort for an EVEwiki send me an in-game mail. I'd be more than willing to help out, share resources etc etc. MarkX: Thanks for the interest mate. Anyone can be an editor, the extent of their particpation depends on the user. All users have the ability to upload images and files as well as create new content. Basically, anything to do with the wiki can be done by any user, registered or not. All the root-level administrative functions rely on the server admins for security purposes.
Thomus	Posted - 2005.11.21 23:22:00 - [7] i got 'connection timed out' twice on that link lol ---------------- Tom
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.21 23:59:00 - [8] Tom: The sub-domain that I use to route traffic is http://wiki.thewalledcity.us because it's easier to remember than the direct address. Sub-domain redirects may not work on some older browsers. You can also try: http://www.thewalledcity.us/wiki/index.htm (a redirect page) http://www.thewalledcity.us/Root/Wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page (Direct link to EVEwiki:Main) Wiki's are also know to be a little slower than normal webpages because of their increased functionality. If this continues to surface in the future there is some freeware I could install on the server to speed things up.
Dahin	Posted - 2005.11.22 02:26:00 - [9] hahahhahahahhaa That wikicities wiki for eve has ISK selling adverts on the side XD 50misk for 16$ hhahahahah
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.22 03:28:00 - [10] Dahin: I didn't notice that when I visited, that's a little funny and sad at the same time.

Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2005.11.22 04:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Ferrer Greetings all , I've been amazed at the amount of helpful information about EVE there is on the net, but I've also been dissapointed by how hard it sometimes is to find the right piece of knowledge! So I've started an open-source wiki for EVE fans at wiki.thewalledcity.us to help this problem. Go check it out and play around with it! Cool stuff: Any user can modify content without registration. Add your bio, your corp, you neat EVE spreadsheet, whatever! Get recognized and help other people while doing it. All entries in the webpage are entered automatically into a SEARCHABLE database Private site so no lag or ads Quickly growing community of wiki editors If you are a fan of the idea and site, give this a bump so it gets a sticky. Yours is much better plain a simple. And I'll us it as long as you dont do adverts for RL money for isk. Thnx.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.22 07:01:00 - [12] I'm taking the EVEwiki offline for a bit of maintainence. Sorry for the inconvenience.
PreTender	Posted - 2005.11.22 07:40:00 - [13] hey can u give me a convo ingame __________________________ http://www.eve-extra.com
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.22 08:57:00 - [14] After a bit of maintenance, the EVEwiki is back up. I accidentally nuked a few photos in the images section I was able to replace all the images except for the cormorant pics laocoon uploaded. Sorry mate, I've got automatic backups of the uploads now.
JP Beauregard	Posted - 2005.11.22 11:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Winterblink My suggestion would be to make a Wiki that works 100% with the IGB as well. Old news. Grismar's got one already. Which reminds me --- I have to start writing... JP Beauregard ==================================== Yet to be plagiarized: The New Pilkington Guides to EVE
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.23 08:31:00 - [16] Thanks for link JP, I'll definately be looking towards grismar's wiki as an inspiration when it comes to a IGB functionality, but the breath of content (current or otherwise) and the ease of usability leave much to be desired.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.28 17:55:00 - [17] The EVEwiki is now hosted at eve-extra.com. The address has changed to wiki.eve-extra.com Or you can connect directly at: http://www.eve-extra.com/wiki/wiki/index.php/Main_Page I'd just like to thank everyone for their help on the site. If you haven't given it a visit, go check it out now!
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.11.28 18:00:00 - [18] Suggestion: Hyperlinking to the EVE forums seems like a bit half-assed, especially in the resources section. If this is to truly grow as a central content repository for the players then host your own content there. I'm not saying cut and paste someone's guide, but maybe get their permission first or have someone write one into the wiki. Otherwise all this will end up being is an aggregator that you will have a hell of a time maintaining broken or dead links. winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.28 18:59:00 - [19] Thanks for the suggestion winterblink. As to the content, the site's still young and trust me, I'm working on it. Do you have any expert advice you wish to contribute? Like you said, the site needs it.
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.11.28 19:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Ferrer Thanks for the suggestion winterblink. As to the content, the site's still young and trust me, I'm working on it. Do you have any expert advice you wish to contribute? Like you said, the site needs it. I've got the URL at home, at some point I hope to take some time and write up some stuff. :) winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env

Vol Jbolaz	Posted - 2005.11.28 21:04:00 - [21] I have not dug around either of these wikis too terribly much, but what little I have, and what little anyone can see by glancing at the forums (especially the Ships & Modules fourm), I have to wonder how are you going to keep anything objective and informative?
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.11.28 21:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Vol Jbolaz I have not dug around either of these wikis too terribly much, but what little I have, and what little anyone can see by glancing at the forums (especially the Ships & Modules fourm), I have to wonder how are you going to keep anything objective and informative? Well, that's the beauty of Wiki. The actual Wikipedia out there is self-policed, the people who run it do not go around and watch all the articles to make sure objectiv and correct. The people take care of that. winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
Vol Jbolaz	Posted - 2005.11.28 21:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Winterblink The actual Wikipedia out there is self-policed True. But I think there is required a certain critical mass of users before self-policing becomes viable. I'm not certain that these specialized wiki will have enough users. I'm afriad you'll wind up with several people bemoaning and deriding certain ships or modules (as they do in the forums) with one or two users insisting that the article is not objective (and is likely whining). I just think that a very clear, very present policy of objectiveness may help. Then again, these are terribly young, and I may simply be worried about nothing. I'll register when I get a chance and edit a few less-than-objective articles to see what happens. It is possible that people will whine once, but not care to re-whine (if that makes any sense).
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.29 01:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Vol Jbolaz I just think that a very clear, very present policy of objectiveness may help. What a good idea! I've created a little objectivity guideline link in the house rules section of the wiki for just this purpose.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.11.29 04:08:00 - [25] Wow, copyright infringement, thy name is EveWiki.
PiniclePanda	Posted - 2005.11.29 05:48:00 - [26] Edited by: PiniclePanda on 29/11/2005 05:47:54 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Wow, copyright infringement, thy name is EveWiki. And how, pray tell, is EveWiki violating copyright law? Certainly not by it's name, which would be covered under trademark law. Of course, I find it extremely doubtful "EVE" by itself is trademarkable - it's a name that's been around since biblical times (you know... that chick in the bible with that Adam dude?) I'm also not seeing things such as images from in-game (which would be copyrighted).
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.11.29 06:09:00 - [27] They cannot come up with their own gimick, so they steal that of a populat online encyclopaedia, using not only its name, its general web-design, and purpose statement, but they've shown little or no attempt to deviate from this. Thusly, they are stealing intellectual property from Wikimedia, which I'm more than certain has been copyrighted, trademarked, or likewise claimed. Even open-source projects still hold rights, just so no one else can claim them and make money off it.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.11.29 06:16:00 - [28] "They cannot come up with their own gimick, so they steal that of a populat online encyclopaedia, using not only its name, its general web-design, and purpose statement, but they've shown little or no attempt to deviate from this." ... wouldn't that be because "The default skin packaged with every MediaWiki install is MonoBook, famous for its appearance on various WikiMedia projects."...
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.11.29 06:34:00 - [29] Originally by: j0sephine "They cannot come up with their own gimick, so they steal that of a populat online encyclopaedia, using not only its name, its general web-design, and purpose statement, but they've shown little or no attempt to deviate from this." ... wouldn't that be because "The default skin packaged with every MediaWiki install is MonoBook, famous for its appearance on various WikiMedia projects."... Pfft, open-source is a joke. Regardless of whether or not they downloaded it from the WikiMedia site or they ripped from wikipedia, they're still attempting to take credit for another's innovation. No matter how you slice it, EVE doesn't need cookie cutter websites.
Gisry	Posted - 2005.11.29 06:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pfft, open-source is a joke. Regardless of whether or not they downloaded it from the WikiMedia site or they ripped from wikipedia, they're still attempting to take credit for another's innovation. No matter how you slice it, EVE doesn't need cookie cutter websites. you sir have no clue ... the framework from wikimedia is free (free as in free speech not as in free beer). there are several wikis out there in the web - all with similiar formatting, commands etc. lots of communities use them... when you say eve doesn't need cookie cutter websites - why don't you add content to one of the existing eve sites ?



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