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Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.23 16:20:00 -
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Honestly, if you fit them both for maximum yield a retriever can mine 1093m3/minute while a procurer mines 1002m3/minute. In that configuration a procurer will have something like 5x the buffer/EHP of the retriever though. If you "tank fit" the retriever for maximum EHP it goes up to 22.2k EHP which the procurer still almost triples, and your mining yield drops to 844m3/minute.
Within that context the only reason I see to fly a retriever is the ore hold and how it cuts down on cycles "lost" to unloading. That advantage, however, is somewhat diminished if you compare a tank fit retriever with a mining fit procurer. The procurer might only hold 43.63~ of the ore that the retriever can hold, but it also mines ore almost 20% faster. The procurer being able to align/get into warp faster can also help reduce some of the retriever's ore hold advantage as well by getting you back to the mining (slightly) faster.
If you're in a situation where you can play to the retriever's strengths as a mining ship then it's certainly not a mistake to fly one, but all things considered these days I wouldn't fly one in most situations simply because it's more gankable, more expensive to replace, and its primary advantage over the procurer is easy to reduce if not outright negate.
On the other hand I suppose that discussions like this just go to prove that CCP did a pretty good job balancing the ships. If either the procurer or the retriever was a clear winner for solo mining it likely would never have happened. |
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.23 19:42:00 -
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Alua Oresson wrote:Your yield will still be greater with the increased cargo hold of the retriever. The procurer will have to make more trips that will decrease the overall yield.
I never said otherwise. I said that the increased mining speed and maneuverability of the procurer help cut into the retriever's ore hold advantage.
Also, if you are, want to, or insist on flying a retriever for mining you should probably bookmark http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ and use that to help plan on where you should and shouldn't mine. |
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:21:00 -
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Yeah... No. Survey scanners are great and all for not "wasting" cycles, but that only seriously matters when you're using modulated lasers, especially with T2 crystals, which the person involved isn't. |
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