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Aaronus
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Posted - 2005.11.23 14:53:00 -
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I have always just battleship mined, and math and me don't get along. Are those barges pulling more ore than a battleship with miner 2's. I used to have a minerthron but am using a Brutix at the moment.
I never looked into them but a corp member had one and looked pretty cool so I am thinking of using one if it's worth it. The only downside I see to them is they are fragile. Is it worth it? |
James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.11.23 15:04:00 -
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Barges outmine battleships.
Leaving aside skills, a strip miner 1 mines 540 'ore units' (known to the rest of the galaxy as 'm3') in a cycle, which is 3 minutes.
A miner II mines 60 units, but it cycles every minute. This means a strip miner, assuming equal skills, mines as much as 3 miner IIs.
A retriever (the 'medium' barge) is outmined by a fair proportion of battleships (basically, if they have 7 or 8 turrets, then they mine more) however I don't think there's many cruisers that can keep up. (Scythe/Osprey with cruiser 5 is 'equivalent' of 6 mining laser IIs)
Of course, barges get 3% more yield for levels of 'mining barge'.
And we're ignoring the fact that you can fit tech 2 strips.
So basically, a retriever is mostly better than a cruiser, and better than _some_ battleships (like, all the caldari ones for example). The Covetor is the fastest mining thing.
However, your average barge is also paper thin, so there are still good reasons to use ships that can actually take damage.
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Aaronus
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Posted - 2005.11.23 15:16:00 -
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Thank you, went into more detail than I thought someone would. I might train for them on my alt account. Thanks again |
Suncats Shadow
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Posted - 2005.11.23 17:18:00 -
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Aaronus;
I was using 4 miner I's on a destroyer before I decided to go the way of the mining barge. I was almost up to 5 miner I's with my skills; but after running some of the numbers the barge is a much better alternative.
I have trained all most all of my mining skills to the max and am currently training to get a heavy barge.
I would train you skills up to get the retriever (med barge), since the small one is just not worth the effort.
With my skills and using modulated strip miners and t1 crystals, I am pulling in about 1100 ore every 3 mins.
If you are going that route, be aware that to use the t1 crystals in the modulated strips you will need to train the secondary refine skill to lvl 3 for that specific ore.
Hope this helps and good luck turning roids to dust.
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Sable Moran
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Posted - 2005.11.24 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus Barges outmine battleships.
You mean _a_ barge outmines the battleships. Number one miner in-game currently is the large barge, but next three places are claimed by the battleships.
In other words if you can't be arsed to train the skills for a large barge then don't bother with them at all.
This is of course just my opinion, others may disagree.
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.11.24 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus It's slightly better than that, especially due to 'big' ores, because of rounding errors. (Mining arkonor for example, a miner II will harvest 3 units per cycle (60 / 16 m3, rounded)
I don't think the amounts mined are rounded down, you just only see full units. That means 3 mins with a miner II should give you 11 units, not the 9 you suggest.
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Sarf
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Posted - 2005.11.24 15:15:00 -
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the large barge with Mod strip miners ii's rocks. I run 2 accounts and this is what i do.
Barge 1 = 3 Modulated strip miners II's, 2 Heavy drones, 8 miner 2 drones Barge 2 = 3 Modulated strip miners II's, 3 Heavy drones, 5 miner 2 drones
Between them I have lots of protection while mining 0.5+ system, the second barge has 3 heavys because I switch Barge 1 out for hauling. And I have all relevent skills maxed.
All told when both are mining I am filling a Jet-can every 12 min. I could improve the mining yield by upgrading to Harvys and buying the mining boster implants. The math I have done sugests that this would get it down to 10min a jet-can.
with a pair of megathrom with miner 2's i was around 17min a Jet-can.
how this is a good kdea of what you can do, so looking forward to the BS maining barge.
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Paisley Snatch
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Posted - 2005.11.24 18:35:00 -
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If you're into battleship mining you could bump it up a notch by using Modulated Deep Core Miner 2's with tech 2 crystals.
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Marcin Siwczuk
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Posted - 2005.11.24 20:00:00 -
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It is also worth to note that barges have cargo holds with higher capacities than battleships.
However battleships are way tougher than barges ;)
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Guvante
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Posted - 2005.11.24 21:05:00 -
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Another good thing about mining barges is that they can mine ice, a very useful skill indeed
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terania
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Posted - 2005.11.25 13:15:00 -
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I find that t2 crystals are only really any good when used in mod strippers fitted to a barge. If you use them in MDCMs then they tend to expire before you've got a decent amount of ore (carrying around spare crystals in the hold of a mining bs takes up to much space).
If you do use MDCMs then I think it's better to use t1 crystals.
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franny
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:29:00 -
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put them in a secure can, jet and anchor the secure can(assuming low enough sec), mine the day away, collect the secure can when you goto leave
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2005.11.28 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Paisley Snatch If you're into battleship mining you could bump it up a notch by using Modulated Deep Core Miner 2's with tech 2 crystals.
:) those are on par with modulated strip miners in terms of ratio with yield, with those fully fitted on an 8 turret BS, you can match a covetor for speed MINUS the 15% boost barges get (at least with my calculations thats how it works :))
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Mr Trouble
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Posted - 2005.11.28 14:15:00 -
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A Brutix outmines a Medium Barge with good skills.
The only barge worth getting is the large one. And even this, forget about lowsec mining.
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Biggie Rawls
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Posted - 2005.12.12 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Trouble A Brutix outmines a Medium Barge with good skills.
The only barge worth getting is the large one. And even this, forget about lowsec mining.
Depends... If you have an indi character that has no use for combat skills the barge is better because it takes less training to get into a retriever, and you can go to a coveter, which will outmine any battleship, in a couple of weeks after you get the retriever.
If you train up for battleship/battlecruiser just to mine more than a retriever, you are pretty limited as a miner IMHO and have wasted a lot of training time.
Then again, in 0.0 you are sometimes better off in a battleship, since you can tank til your support gets the npc's off of you. in a brutix you'll get popped in roughly 30 seconds if a spawn comes in in top of you and decides to make you primary target, and you are set up with 7 miner II's. I know because it happened to me. If you have a bunch of CPU's in ... pfft... You need hardeners in to take that punishment. This means 5 miner II's at the most, which isn't that great. Empire is a different story.
My main mines in a brutix in empire (when she isn't getting them blown up) and they are pretty sweet. 7 miner II's is no joke. (I have electronics 5 on her). If I didn't have a pvp char and a indi char, and had to do both, I'd have to agree. It's really hard to train industrial skills when you don't have most of your gunny skills up to 5.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.12.12 12:02:00 -
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Amarr and Gallente ships generally have the turret slots to keep pace with barges pretty well. Caldari don't really, and I have a feeling Minmatar don't either (although to be honest, I don't know for sure, as I don't fly minmatar).
Caldari 'best ship for mining' would be the ferox with 5 turrets, or once you hit cruiser 4, an osprey with an effective 5.4 turrets (or 6 at cruiser 5).
In that respect, I considered it worth my time to tain up for a retriever instead of chasing another racial BC/BS.
Having done so, I have reached the conclusion that 2000m3 of bay, and 3 minute cycles is far superior to the osprey with 1 minute cycles, and a bay you have to empty each cycle. -- Complaining about the PvPers and Pirates in EVE is like complaining about the mines in Minesweeper. |
Kryptic1
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Posted - 2005.12.13 05:25:00 -
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This is an old thread (blame Biggie Rawls), but it is good to note that now the argument of barge v. battleship has changed quite a bit. With the tech 2 barges coming out, dedicated miners are now better off by far going with barges (then eventually T2 barges). Though I suppose dedicated miners would have already gone with Covetors, t2 barges do change the equation a bit.
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