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Turaya	Posted - 2005.11.24 12:18:00 - [1] THX
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:15:00 - [2] Nope, Not here. imo the only ones that do are 1) People who value SP more than playing the game 2) Character farmers. meh, flame away.
Tekka	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:27:00 - [3] Originally by: Deja Thoris Nope, Not here. imo the only ones that do are 1) People who value SP more than playing the game 2) Character farmers. meh, flame away. I do and I am neither »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Tresh Keen	Posted - 2005.11.24 16:21:00 - [4] nope - max lvl 4. I know some who have all leraning skills maxed - but i have other interests then only learning - like in real life Cheers, Tresh
Angry Sheep	Posted - 2005.11.24 16:35:00 - [5] Yep all but presence - mainly because away on business a lot and could not work out what direction I wanted to go!! It's a Dog eat Dog World out there and I'm wearing Milky Bone underwear
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.11.24 16:51:00 - [6] lvl 5 in all, including the charisma one... And like 1 year into the 3 years it will take to get a real benefit. :D below 30% of my skillpoints are in learning now. But still, big investment. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
NurAbSal	Posted - 2005.11.24 16:56:00 - [7] All learning skills maxed - even chariism one... and i dont value skillpoints more than playing the game, nor i am character farmer... But when i wnt skill to be trained fast, it is trained fast... And it looks nice on character sheet when entire training group is trained to lvl5 :)
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2005.11.24 18:22:00 - [8] haven't yet, but thought about it for Perc. My attributes made a LOT more sense before tech II ships and guns :( Originally by: Mistress D'Malice POS outputs where fine...its the fuel that needed the help. Originally by: Nyxus A Vagabond or Deimos is like a rabid wolverine and the web is your arm holding it away f
Delacho	Posted - 2005.11.24 18:59:00 - [9] did it just for perc. the time is gained back already, and i'm still training gunnery/spaceship most of the time... atm i wish i had done the willp as well way back, then i had time to do it, now i don't since i'm needed to fly dreads asap ...
Femintaki	Posted - 2005.11.24 19:43:00 - [10] Yep - all 11 skills at level 5 here - 5,376,000SP played since a few weeks after retail release ... my learning SP is not much of my total at all ... total in excess of 38 mil now I am neither of the "people types" you state ... but I agree with the person who said when I want to train a skill, it trains fast which means I gain benefit from it quicker than many. And if they start to bring in skills which need these (some or all) at level 5 then I shall reap the benefits even more. Quote: Do or do not. There is no try.
SHYBUM1	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:56:00 - [11] i'm not afraid to admit it i trained them all to Lvl 5 as well...
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.11.24 21:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Deja Thoris Nope, Not here. imo the only ones that do are 1) People who value SP more than playing the game 2) Character farmers. meh, flame away. You need some f***ing valium woman.
Soren	Posted - 2005.11.24 21:16:00 - [13] all but char here.. maybe if i pick-up learning skills _______________________________________________
Namarus	Posted - 2005.11.24 21:52:00 - [14] Level 5 in all. Around 11% of my total skill points, and dropping fast.
captian jackharkness	Posted - 2005.11.24 22:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Deja Thoris Nope, Not here. imo the only ones that do are 1) People who value SP more than playing the game 2) Character farmers. meh, flame away. You need some f***ing valium woman. Quit the trolling Derovius, nearly every thread ive read today has your useless opinions plastered all over them.
Olden	Posted - 2005.11.25 00:25:00 - [16] Edited by: Olden on 25/11/2005 00:26:56 Edited by: Olden on 25/11/2005 00:26:40 Damn alt.... Post below
MrVilla	Posted - 2005.11.25 00:26:00 - [17] I checked to see if lvl clarity would do me any good, so I set up my skill list for all the skill I was for sure to learn that had perception in them, and it came to about 250 days. To learn lvl 5 perception would take me about 15 days and with the skill I would just save about 13 days, not counting in the 15 days I have already used to learn clarity lvl 5. In other words.....i didnt do it. If people wanna do them, let them. I dont see any wrong in it.
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.11.25 02:27:00 - [18] got all at 5 cept charisma at 4 - stupidly high charisma to stat with means i really cba to train it ---------------------- Originally by: Seleene OZ IS EVIL! HE WILL CRUSH YOUR WILL TO LIVE WITHIN HIS IRON GRASP
Tripoli	Posted - 2005.11.25 03:17:00 - [19] All 11 maxed, of course. The only way to go. ---
Seradhin	Posted - 2005.11.25 04:19:00 - [20] All 11 learning skills maxed here too. However I expect I'll have my account until the day the servers go off for good, so very likely I will reap the long term benefit of having done this
Nighthawk Cavernau	Posted - 2005.11.25 04:30:00 - [21] stopped at 4 here, wanted to get some new ships before i finish it off, will finish off the skills i need for assault frigs then go back and take them to 5. learning is still the biggest ammount of skill points on my skills list thou
Stephen HB	Posted - 2005.11.25 05:33:00 - [22] All 11 to max, and I'm no SP>all or farmer, so I'll thank you not to project your opinions onto the rest of us Deja. I trained the advanced to V during a busy RL period, so I didn't even notice the time really. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Everyone should read the EVE Tracking Guide.
General Meridus	Posted - 2005.11.25 08:10:00 - [23] All learning maxed to 5. And no I'm not a character farmer. Straight pvp/pve
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.11.25 08:35:00 - [24] all of em maxed, except charisma. Who'd want that, with a face like this <<= [Now with MIND BULLETS!]
ThAjApHiO	Posted - 2005.11.25 10:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Seradhin All 11 learning skills maxed here too. However I expect I'll have my account until the day the servers go off for good, so very likely I will reap the long term benefit of having done this OMG the servers will NEVER go off, over my dead boddy... and clone, and another clone....
ThAjApHiO	Posted - 2005.11.25 10:43:00 - [26] that would be BODY
Valrandir	Posted - 2005.11.25 19:39:00 - [27] www.eve-search.com I have them all at level V, see this post: See this post Intelligence 26 Perception 22 Charisma 20 Willpower 20 Memory 27 --------------------------------
Orvy	Posted - 2005.11.25 23:36:00 - [28] I have all learning skills at level 5 even though i'm fairly new to Eve (december 2004). Reason for that is purely psycological. I simply fell in love with Eve and realized i'll be playing this game for years to come given its complexity, free form structure and the exclusion of 'exp grind' and 'phatz camping' factors. I simply could not sleep at night knowing that i'm not training my skills at the maximum speed possible. Sooner or later people will have to train these skills and as people before me have mentioned the sooner you train them the more you will gain. ______________________________________________ Fighting for perfection of sweets recepies
Lorette	Posted - 2005.11.26 02:03:00 - [29] I stopped at lv4 advanced, except for cha (which is still at basic lv2) going to up char to the same level eventually. I figured it was easier to get +1 more form an implant that spend 15 days on each.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.11.26 05:06:00 - [30] Meh, look at the maths. It does not make much sense to me because the payback is so long. Sure you train a skill faster now. But if you had trained skill "x" instead of empathy V you would have had skill "x" ages ago (if that makes any sense).
MachZERO	Posted - 2005.11.26 11:45:00 - [31] Deja is right, sadly... But I too have all but char to lvl 5 simply cause at 25 million skillpoints my character had completely specialized in the area I wanted him for... (research and manufacturing) The same is almost true for my second account as well... (Combat and Missions) And my third account has 2 of the 5 adv learning skills to 5... I need a life.... --------------------------------------------- "Rang Rang" ---------------------------------------------
Seradhin	Posted - 2005.11.27 01:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Deja Thoris Meh, look at the maths. It does not make much sense to me because the payback is so long. Sure you train a skill faster now. But if you had trained skill "x" instead of empathy V you would have had skill "x" ages ago (if that makes any sense). Well that really depends on how long you plan on playing eve for, if I remember the figures correctly it takes about 3 years until it pays off if you train all the advanced learning to lvl5 like I did. Now since I trained the skills to max as soon as they came out I'm already about 1 year into that. I fully expect to still be playing in 2 years time so on that basis it does make sense for me personally.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.11.27 01:53:00 - [33] Advanced skills are only to lvl 3, with int/mem/per's adv skill to 4, all basic ones to lvl 5, cept charisma. I'd have leveled them all to lvl 5, but I didn't want to have to wait several months to beable to fly something better than a caracal. Once my gunnery skills are up and im comfortable in my harpy, I'll probably get the others to lvl 4, maybe lvl 5. ------------------------------------ Quote: 1 Billion isk currently sells on ebay for about $225 90 day GTC $38.95 Currently selling for 300mill Therefore 1Bill isk costs you $129.50.
Lardarz B'stard	Posted - 2005.11.27 07:20:00 - [34] I am in the process of getting them now ( have 2/5 so far), basically to counteract the negative effects of having high charisma. Proud member of the 70-odd thousand
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2005.11.27 11:32:00 - [35] I'm looking to do one of the adv learning's to lvl 5 soon. My other account has 2 of them at 5 so far. It's a double-edged sword, on the one hand I feel I have to train some things to be more effective ASAP, but on the other hand I'm not doing things in the most profitable order. Oh well. ------- K. Raven
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2005.11.27 13:25:00 - [36] Originally by: Discorporation all of em maxed, except charisma. Who'd want that, with a face like this <<= I thought that was your arse .. MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
Kelgen Thann	Posted - 2005.11.27 22:48:00 - [37] I have Preception and Willpower trained to level 5 for the advanced skills. These were my weak areas. I started the game a few days after it was at my local store back in 2003. I made a few attribute mistakes and ended up with an extra charisma point and a bit too much memory lol. So the Extra +2 in the weak area was welcome.
Deileon	Posted - 2005.12.08 11:24:00 - [38] Advanced L5 is not worth it. I provided plenty of calculations showing when the breakeven points were, but some people are going to train them no matter what you say. Then they tend to get defensive when you question their choice... They say bananas are a dish best served cold...
without	Posted - 2005.12.08 12:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Deja Thoris Nope, Not here. imo the only ones that do are 1) People who value SP more than playing the game 2) Character farmers. meh, flame away. did it hopeing that CCP would release a new lvl of learning skills, which id take to lvl 4. sadly they never came :(
Mudkest	Posted - 2005.12.08 12:44:00 - [40] Originally by: Deja Thoris Meh, look at the maths. It does not make much sense to me because the payback is so long. Sure you train a skill faster now. But if you had trained skill "x" instead of empathy V you would have had skill "x" ages ago (if that makes any sense). perhaps, but it took me around 20 days to train perception and will(allready had int and mem trained), and as a resulte training time for barges to level5(wich was my goal at the time) dropped by about 20 days(doulbed skill means halved training time), so didnt make much a difference with that skill. But any skill I train that needs perception or will are going to be a lot faster then if I decided "makes no difference so not gonna train it" :p and I have all basic to 5, and most advanced(cept charisma) to 4, will do charisma to 4 before I train charisma related skills 8) will probably train to 5 when there are new skills, at least I can train the 3d skill to 4 and cut down training time for other skill to 5(int first, mem will be faster, then will and perc. goes faster ;))
Mister Sulu	Posted - 2005.12.08 13:51:00 - [41] I trained all of mine to 5. But more importantly I trained the SOCT willpower, perception & charisma ones in a cycle. I used Eve Character Manager (ECM) to build the most time efficient queue for training. It saved me a lot of time over training the SOCT skills individually to completion. I don't care about total SP, but I do love to see ECM tell me I'm getting 2145 SP/hour! Why do I not need to worry if this is a stupid ALT post? I have no alts. Sulu Out!
Ravenal	Posted - 2005.12.08 20:37:00 - [42] lvl5 all the way ...new sig coming up Ravenal - Fate is what you make of it.
Angus Tadj	Posted - 2005.12.09 00:48:00 - [43] I decided to do one, and one only to Advanced Level V. The rest I stopped at Level IV. The one I chose to take all the way is my weakest attribute, Intelligence. Since I classify this as a 'first tier' attribute I figured it would help balance things just a little. I also invested in an implant that is +1 higher than all my others, again in Intelligence. Ie everything (skills/implants) is balanced, but I chose to give one key attribute that extra boost to help balance it with the others better. Not perfect but pretty good I feel. So really I chose to invest a little time (skill) and ISK (implant) in one single area that will hopefully benefit me from here on in, without taking things to excessive levels. I took my Beginner Learning skills up to Level IV quickly, then trained some useful skills that I needed, then worked on the Advanced Learning skills up to Level IV. Must admit I'm only now getting to doing Logic to Level V, but that's because I've focused on Starship Command skills in the main so it hasn't been needed, but I foresee a good while spent on Int/Mem skills coming up, so I've decided to finally complete my education with this single Level V advanced skill. Mathematically right or wrong, I've enjoyed deciding on this strategy
Pudoris	Posted - 2005.12.09 02:19:00 - [44] now just to keep this pretty uninformative thread on the top... your math skills are lacking mr, ofc you gain with them all lvl5... just takes like 7 years... and who will not be here in that time? and yes I trained them, though sadly not immediately upon release... just almost :) to lvl5 all. It is more of a question how good does your skilltree look when you are showing it off to your friends? ps. If you smellt some sarcasm in the second paragraph then fine, cuz it was. But I think almost anyone who trained those skills knew what he was doing and did it on purpose, 20d + skilltraining is usually not an accident Therefore we dont need to see the maths upon completion of the skills. And arguments will never erase those sp¦s, at least I hope so, hehe...
Hayate Tetsukaze	Posted - 2005.12.09 07:28:00 - [45] Deja Thoris makes an excellent point about training actual useful skills instead of the learning skills, but there is another wrinkle to it: not all of the skills you want to have are on Tranquility yet. If you train learning skills to level 5, you'll have access to new skills sooner. New skills will be released with Red Moon Rising and Kali, but if you don't know what the requirements are yet, this is one way to prepare yourself. (Another is to use common sense to get prerequisites, but this can backfire: how long were the Jump Drive folks waiting for actual jump drives - about 2 years, right?)
Deileon	Posted - 2005.12.09 08:09:00 - [46] Originally by: Hayate Tetsukaze If you train learning skills to level 5, you'll have access to new skills sooner. Maybe, but unless you REALLY have maxed out all of the important existing skills (cough), you are giving up a lot for that extra 5% speed on new skills. They say bananas are a dish best served cold...
zcinner	Posted - 2005.12.09 12:14:00 - [47] i got 5 in all even charisma.. :)
Ludor	Posted - 2005.12.09 14:17:00 - [48] yep maxed all ... just for fun 11 Learning skills trained, for a total of 5,376,000 skillPoints.
Rodge	Posted - 2005.12.09 14:18:00 - [49] I trained level 5 advanced perc on all my characters. Most of the skills I train are perc as primary. To break even, I need to train 768,000 - 135,765 = 632,235 skillpoints in perc based skills. Now, that extra point of perc on all characters is augmented by learning 5 on all characters, so it's effectively +1.1 perc. So every minute, that extra level of perc will net me 1.1 skillpoints I wouldn't have had previously. Now, to train that many skillpoints will take 632,235 / 1.1 = 574,759 minutes = 9,579 hours = just under 400 days of training perc primary skills. Will you be still playing Eve in 400 days? That's the question you have to ask yourself, when commiting to training any of the skills to level 5. I did the math and then trained two of the advanced to level 5 on two characters and three of them on my other character. Barring any disaster (like honourable killsystem being added), I know I'll be playing Eve for many years to come, so I will see a benefit from this investment in time.... [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Scorpyn	Posted - 2005.12.09 15:08:00 - [50] I didn't intend to get any of them to 5 at first, but as the new missile skills were being planned I decided to prepare. Part of the preparation was to get the perc/will adv skills to 5, to be able to train the new skills faster once they hit the server.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.12.09 16:02:00 - [51] I have 4 accounts. One of those main characters has them all to lvl V except Charisma. The rest have them all to lvl IV. ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Gretchen Dawntreader	Posted - 2005.12.09 18:34:00 - [52] I got to adv 4 on all of them but I'm looking at the "diminishing returns on investment" at this point. Plus it's really hard to contemplate another 2.5 months of Learnings. Maybe sometime. Once you've used skills to raise all your stats +9, then 2.5 months to get them to +10... ouch.
Miri Tirzan	Posted - 2005.12.10 05:21:00 - [53] All but mem, cha, and will. I have a 28 Memory, but with the new (drone/fighter) skills, I guess I will max mem out also. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Tony Fats	Posted - 2005.12.10 12:15:00 - [54] I feel that the time to get level 5 is when 1) You have pretty much all the skills you want So you train all 11 learning to max, for when they come out with NEW skills, so you can get them fast fast fast. I think the most effective is to get 4 (not cha) learning skills to adv level 4, learning to level 5, cha to basic level 4. I think that's where you get the most bang for your buck. And I'm not too sure about taking learning to level 5. Not sure if it makes enough difference to justify a 4-5 day training time for %2 faster learning.
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.12.10 13:27:00 - [55] 2% faster learning is earned back in 50 times the time it takes to train the skill from 4 to 5. If it takes you 5 days to train it to lvl 5, you'll have your break even point after 250 days. Considering I trained it to 5 over a year ago, it's been well worth it :-)
Ticondrius	Posted - 2005.12.10 14:08:00 - [56] Learning V, Adv Learning skills to IV...except Clarity, which is V. I had a +5 perc implant at one time and it only took like 7-9 days to train that one. Figured I might as well for when I would inevidably lose the implant, haven't regretted it. Might train Eidtic Memory to V eventually, memory is my worst attribute and it may be of some advantage to get an extra, permanent, point in it.

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