If it doesn't work can you come to the place you had a war against to get your freedoms with to get married then go back over? Or would the US not recognise a marriage in the UK as legal?

Our conservatives are in government and their arguments against gay marriage boiled down to can we get on with it and address the economy already? I don't think I will ever understand the big fuss about it over there, and I watch Bill Maher and The Daily show and I still can't grasp the logic.

Since I'm a raging bigot according to the left, all I'm going to say is that is a very divisive subject.

And, the right is only a speed bump to the left, so you'll get what you want eventually.

I feel human rights have no political affiliation. As a Veteran I swore to defend the Constitution and our legally binding documents that state All men are equal and endowed with inalienable rights. It doesn't matter what your political view ALL men are equal.

I also feel bitter with what you stated as merely "getting what I want." As if I'm robbing someone else of their Freedoms and Protections. Far from it. You have no clue what it's like rushing your loved one to the ER only to find out your insurance doesn't cover them because you both aren't legally married.

I'm still paying the seven thousand dollar hospital bill because of it...

Unfortunately it has morphed and into a political battle, but as I stated before, the meta picture is that the left is far more active then the right. We have a leftist president, frankly I'm surprised he hasn't abolished DOMA yet. Or did what he did in Arizona and change there state laws about identification. But I digress, good luck!

Obama is fairly right wing from the perspective of most people outside the US, the Democrats are right of our right wing in any case, look at the wording of the Healthcare act and compare it to the wording of similar legislation in Russia, the UK, France and Japan. 7 grand for a medical bill? How the hell did that happen?

It is often hard for me to believe how much the welleducated and wellinformed people who are supposed to run the country can be so much against gay rights. But then again, I am from a country that is one of the leading when it comes to gay rights.

I hope the best for you and your partner and the thousands of people who suffer from others' wrong beliefs.

I am aware that well educated doesn't nescessarily mean intelligent, but when looking at what causes hate and prejudices it is often lack of knowledge about the other part.

Yet the majority don't accept equal rights?

Obama is actually more Centrist and an opportunist at times when it comes to issues. The LGBT people have been thrown under the bus by Democrats recently just in the Immigration Reform Amendments and it seems that Politicians only give a **** about their constituents when it's "convenient."

This, a thousand times this.

In the US, politicians always pander to what turns out to be the largest and most vocal population in the country: Fundamentalist Christians. Abortion, euthanasia, gay rights, stemcell research - We could have been decades ahead if that group didn't thwart their development at every turn :/

That verdict should be coming soon and i hope progress is made sooner rather than later. With the US claiming to be 'an example for the Western world' it's ridiculous that they insist on lagging behind everyone else on such issues.

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My Partner was doubled over in pain one night and ended up vomiting from the pain. we thought it could be Pancreatic issues or something worse. So I rushed him to the ER. When we got there I presented my Insurance card (I have full coverage through my work) in which I was denied extending care to him.
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2 Words: Texas Senate (last night)

The bill would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, require abortion clinics to meet the same standards that hospital-style surgical centers do, and mandate that a doctor who performs abortions have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital.

You have to go through the paperwork and your spouse's name must be registered as a covered party by the insurance company.

Looked this up.

Not gonna lie, but I can't say I disagree with strict regulation of practices.



That... doesn't sound too bad really. As I understand it current medical technology is greatly increasing the point at which a fetus is viable outside of the womb and encroaching on the area of potential transplants for carriage to term. Adoption centres exist too.

It's a complicated issue I haven't fully made my mind up on.

The problem, Kirjava, is that the Texas legislation would ban it after 20 weeks EVEN IF THE WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER.

Please.
Please say you made that up. Thats an abomination not to do that. I think even in many Islamic nations that its allowed under that scenario.

That's the thing about these Fundie-led causes. They are blind to all rationale and reality.

Also, I know personally what it's like having the government telling me I can't do something that is an integral part of my own personal business.

The problem, Kirjava, is that the Texas legislation would ban it after 20 weeks EVEN IF THE WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER.

I feel human rights have no political affiliation. As a Veteran I swore to defend the Constitution and our legally binding documents that state All men are equal and endowed with inalienable rights. It doesn't matter what your political view ALL men are equal.

I also feel bitter with what you stated as merely "getting what I want." As if I'm robbing someone else of their Freedoms and Protections. Far from it. You have no clue what it's like rushing your loved one to the ER only to find out your insurance doesn't cover them because you both aren't legally married.

I'm still paying the seven thousand dollar hospital bill because of it...

Please.
Please say you made that up. Thats an abomination not to do that. I think even in many Islamic nations that its allowed under that scenario.

The coercive monopoly that rules your geographical area should have no say in whom you decide to marry.

Take away the power of the state to decree who you may marry. Who can be ensured. Who can make a hospital visit. etc. by not demanding the people who spy on you and wage war in your name also take care of you.

Freedom from the state is freedom from discrimination, theft, kidnapping, assault, and murder on a massive scale.

Even this is not an option for partnered same-sex couples. Insurance companies do not let you just 'cover' what to them is just a random stranger.

Please.
Please say you made that up. Thats an abomination not to do that. I think even in many Islamic nations that its allowed under that scenario.

Your choice if you opted to get your **** removed and the op went wrong.... That makes you the b.i.t.c.h in your
messed up relationship.

Messed up relationship not in a religious sense more a oh dear yours is a rather evolutionary faux pas event.

All someone needs to do is ban same sex from adopting or artificial means of procreation and jobs a good un.

Nature has a way of sorting these things out though........

My problem will always stem from the very, very vocal minority who require you to accept them for being gay. You have to accept their lifestyle.

Something to keep in mind, though: while this is a good decision in terms of socio-economic issues, the Supreme Court ruled yesterday that one does not have the right to the protection of the Fifth Amendment. Now, unless you explicitly state you are invoking your right to remain silent, the prosecution can use your silence as proof of guilt at trial. And even if you do invoke it and say so, it can still be used against you. But that got no mention at all.

All I will say, without reading any of the thread, is that if the word marriage was taken out of the debate and taken off of the legal paper work there would be zero debate, but no, both sides of the debate refuse to stop using the religious term marriage when it comes to the legal status known as Civil Union.