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Leitari	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:03:00 - [1] I stumbled upon a magazine with an interview with Hilmar stating that CCP were considering moving the company out of Iceland due to the Icelandic currency beeing too strong. How far have you considered this and would it involve all of ccp's staff? (those willing to leave). And what impact would this possibly have on the game itself?
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:04:00 - [2] i dont think so :o theyre movin right now, but still in icelind i think. Moving again so soon o_0?
Tekka	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:05:00 - [3] Why would they move out of iceland if they just moved their offices? »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
pardux	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:07:00 - [4] also this leitari ;o Linkage
SengH	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:13:00 - [5] for those of us who cant understand what hes saying... could someone translate pls?
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:19:00 - [6] I really doubt this would ever happen, but if they did they would probably move to London, due to the fact they all speak English and the servers et al are there. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Kur'Dekaija	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:24:00 - [7] Reason they are talking about moving is 1: Because of the Icelandic currency beeing too strong. 2: Because of some stupid Icelandic taxes (cant remember what it is called in english). 3: Because of the bad status of the FARICE line. The connection has failed 15 times this year. Thats the short summery of it all.
Weco	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:27:00 - [8] What was that about 50 or 15 million? Was that how much they earn per year or something?
Kur'Dekaija	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Weco What was that about 50 or 15 million? Was that how much they earn per year or something? 500 million ISK that went through the company last year. I heard this year it is close to 1 billion
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:31:00 - [10] They should move to Ireland >_>.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:31:00 - [11] isnt the euro used in iceland CCP could just invest in some US$# to offset any currency movements - if it starts to depreciate sell those US$ and simply make a profit and balance the effects of currency appreciation. Either that or start to raise monthly fees im sure a $1 US rise in subscription fees would be accepted by most players Also esp given all the new hardware investment
Instagib	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:37:00 - [12] Here is a link to Farice homepage for those wondering.. Replaced Cantat-3 as the most critical connection to Iceland, about year and half ago. Due to much higher bandwidth use than ever the older connections can in no way support the country when Farice goes down. Which as been as of lately way too frequent..
Skelum	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Kur'Dekaija Edited by: Kur''Dekaija on 27/11/2005 19:28:15 Reason they are talking about moving is 1: Because of the Icelandic currency beeing too strong. 2: Because of some stupid Icelandic taxes (cant remember what it is called in english). 3: Because of the bad status of the FARICE line. The connection has failed 15 times this year. Thats the short summery of it all. Edit: also want to ad that many more Icelandic software/hardware companies (or just all companis that rely heavely on the internet for their buissnes) are moving of the country due to reason 3. Well if there thinking of moving to England the british rail isnt exactly the best
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:38:00 - [14] Hilmar has the funny [Now with MIND BULLETS!]
Death MacroScum	Posted - 2005.11.27 20:00:00 - [15] They losing out on millions of $ in tax so they thinking of moving, Death MacroScum > Oveur so u moving country's? whats this whole video thing on the forums? Oveur > Death: No, we're considering it. Oveur > Death: When you are loosing millions of dollars due to the exchange rate of the ISK you start thinking seriously about moving :) Death MacroScum >fair enuth He was chatting in the noob corp, so i asked him.
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.11.27 20:07:00 - [16] Originally by: sonofollo isnt the euro used in iceland CCP could just invest in some US$# to offset any currency movements - if it starts to depreciate sell those US$ and simply make a profit and balance the effects of currency appreciation. Either that or start to raise monthly fees im sure a $1 US rise in subscription fees would be accepted by most players Also esp given all the new hardware investment Iceland isn't a part of the EU, and doesn't use the euro. Also, what sane person would invest in US currency? What is happening in the next five years save for presidential replacement that will redeem the dollar? --- God-King of Genitalia
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.11.27 20:12:00 - [17] 1,000,000,000 ISK Iceland Kronur 9,235,419 GBP United Kingdom Pounds 15,820,282 USD United States Dollars -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Temi	Posted - 2005.11.27 20:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Death MacroScum They losing out on millions of $ in tax so they thinking of moving, Death MacroScum > Oveur so u moving country's? whats this whole video thing on the forums? Oveur > Death: No, we're considering it. Oveur > Death: When you are loosing millions of dollars due to the exchange rate of the ISK you start thinking seriously about moving :) Death MacroScum >fair enuth He was chatting in the noob corp, so i asked him. theres just somethign with complaining about the ISK vs $ exchange rate, that i find quite funny Spelling errors ahoy..
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.11.27 20:28:00 - [19] Euro holdings 4tw, especially when the Euro-denominated Iranian petroleuum exchange opens early next year. Only reason the dollar is a reserve currency is that oil is priced that way. Once OPEC sells in Euros, market will adjust somewhat.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.11.27 20:29:00 - [20] Originally by: The Enslaver I really doubt this would ever happen, but if they did they would probably move to London, due to the fact they all speak English and the servers et al are there. Now that would be interesting. Very interesting. I don't really like Oxford that much. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.11.27 21:10:00 - [21] I know. Also, I'd think they'd choose the UK over the US as it is so close to Iceland anyway. And I wouldn't argue. I live 50 miles from London. :D -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
SengH	Posted - 2005.11.27 21:11:00 - [22] If they did move i doubt the'd actually say where in london due to the next thing that gets nerfed/server going down would probably result in a bunch of angry players with bats outside their office.
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.11.27 21:17:00 - [23] Plus office space and housing is cheaper in the North. You can get a family home in Manchester for ú300k, that would cost over a mil in London.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.11.27 21:17:00 - [24] Originally by: The Enslaver I know. Also, I'd think they'd choose the UK over the US as it is so close to Iceland anyway. And I wouldn't argue. I live 50 miles from London. :D I'd prefer they move to the US and hire some charismatic people (like me ) to advertise the game more, drawing on the large gaming populace. Also, they'd be based in pittsburgh, nestled comfortably between Pitt and Carneige Mellon, whom they would strike a deal with to beable to host using Internet 2. Between those two universities, you've got a TON of computing power (plus the fiber optic lines are already in place so getting CCP hooked up to top-notch ISPs wouldnt be hard), and lots of comp sci people to hire. This also has nothing to do with me living in the area and wanting a stable, sub 50ms link to EVE. ------------------------------------ Quote: 1 Billion isk currently sells on ebay for about $225 90 day GTC $38.95 Currently selling for 300mill Therefore 1Bill isk costs you $129.50.
SengH	Posted - 2005.11.27 21:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: The Enslaver I know. Also, I'd think they'd choose the UK over the US as it is so close to Iceland anyway. And I wouldn't argue. I live 50 miles from London. :D I'd prefer they move to the US and hire some charismatic people (like me ) to advertise the game more, drawing on the large gaming populace. Also, they'd be based in pittsburgh, nestled comfortably between Pitt and Carneige Mellon, whom they would strike a deal with to beable to host using Internet 2. Between those two universities, you've got a TON of computing power (plus the fiber optic lines are already in place so getting CCP hooked up to top-notch ISPs wouldnt be hard), and lots of comp sci people to hire. This also has nothing to do with me living in the area and wanting a stable, sub 50ms link to EVE. BAAAAAAAD idea (I live in the US btw)... do you really want the devs working on the servers @ 3am in the morning when something goes bad during DT?
Armor Jack	Posted - 2005.11.27 21:21:00 - [26] one of the reason was because the under sea cables to and from Iceland are not good, they malfunctioned 14 times last year _________________________________________________ The only real Caldarian is born a Caldarian, dawg...
Torquemanda Corteaz	Posted - 2005.11.27 21:35:00 - [27] Id welcome them moving to england.... EVE fanfest 06 in london would be so much cheaper than flying all the way to bloody iceland
hundurinn	Posted - 2005.11.27 21:46:00 - [28] I read in the paper that they've gotten offers from such places as Montreal Canada and the Island Man Good for them, they should move their ass out if Iceland asap.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.11.27 21:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia This also has nothing to do with me living in the area and wanting a stable, sub 50ms link to EVE. You do realise that the servers are in London, and wouldn't move? :p I get 15-20ms response times at all hours unless the server fks up. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
PKlavins	Posted - 2005.11.27 22:11:00 - [30] Edited by: PKlavins on 27/11/2005 22:11:58 Originally by: pardux also this leitari ;o Linkage am i the only one to say this...? EVE made headline news! before all the stuff about iraq and etc. etc...wow ccp even got free advertisement for EVE...dunno whether thats good or bad these days with the lag though....still -----------------------------------------------
Leitari	Posted - 2005.11.27 22:16:00 - [31] well, Im just wondering how this would affect costumer service, the whole process of developing eve as I cant imagine all of the devs would want to move or if they'd just work in iceland still. What it would mean for us paying customers. I dont care where they're based as as long as the game keeps on going and gets the best it can get in any way possible.
Rabbitgod	Posted - 2005.11.27 22:35:00 - [32] I recoomend Canada. Its a very nice place. Best part is they could all crash at winterblinks house until they get things sorted.
James Don	Posted - 2005.11.27 22:55:00 - [33] Woo move to Yorkshire UK, I could do with a cool job EVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
James Don	Posted - 2005.11.27 22:55:00 - [34] Woo move to Yorkshire UK, I could do with a cool job There will be another Exedous if/when they do move of players to Dev's petitions will be wiped out by job applications Mithylos > Hey, you guys are Brits right? James_Don > Yea Mithylos > We borrowed one of your actors, Hugh Laurie, for a great show
RedWyvern	Posted - 2005.11.27 22:59:00 - [35] Originally by: Nyphur They should move to Ireland >_>. You kidding? Considering the price of drink here, Oveur would have the company bankrupt within a week. -------------------------------------------------- Loyalty, Integrity, Honour.
Deovina	Posted - 2005.11.27 23:14:00 - [36] Considering there are some Icelandic(?) speaking folks in this thread. I've wondered what kind of chart this is: http://www.resonantdynamics.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=2&pos=198 GDP? _______________________________ @topic Ireland would be such a bad choice considering it's Ç zone and that the government support lot's of companys lately (read 3-4 years) especially New Economy. No wonder that it's economy is roaring.
Sochin	Posted - 2005.11.27 23:26:00 - [37] I recommend Florida, mostly so I can work as a GM. Then I'll be able to reset the WMH complex and nerf the alignment speed of any whiny alt corps that happen to trespass there. Nemo me impune lacessit
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2005.11.27 23:30:00 - [38] Originally by: Rabbitgod I recoomend Canada. Cool idea. Me thinks about singing 'Blame canada !' in teamspeak, when half of the fleet lags out. ___________ 'Wanna-not-be forum warrior. <3'
Evelyne DeBoissiere	Posted - 2005.11.27 23:31:00 - [39] Come to Switzerland ; EA just moved to Geneva, so we need a cool company to counter-balance We don't use the Euro either, but come anyway ! The Ice-Tea (or Rivella, if you find it to your liking ) is on me ! ------------------------------- "Sublime Feriam Sidera Vertice"
RedClaws	Posted - 2005.11.27 23:46:00 - [40] move to belgium : we need more informatics jobs here (i make great coffee wink) and only 3 hours from london with the train (from Brussels) AND , even better , we have the best beer in the world
Xerxes X	Posted - 2005.11.27 23:48:00 - [41] I have heard of companies that still operate in the USA, but have their address in the UK (usually a small office) for legal and maybe financial reasons. Could this also apply to CCP? Xerxes X
Drilla	Posted - 2005.11.28 00:10:00 - [42] Come to Denmark :D Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Death Merchant	Posted - 2005.11.28 00:28:00 - [43] Move to the greatest city on earth. LAS VEGAS!!!!!!! Nuff said.
Psych0	Posted - 2005.11.28 00:45:00 - [44] Originally by: Drilla Come to Denmark :D Ye move to denmark.. PS: dont have a job atm and i would love to get one

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.11.28 00:49:00 - [45] I wouldn't jump to conclusions as they keyword seems to be considering, so don't get your hopes up Forgot what I wanted to write here...

Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.11.28 01:06:00 - [46] 'tis human to dream. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.11.28 01:33:00 - [47] Edited by: Reiisha on 28/11/2005 01:34:33 Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz Id welcome them moving to england.... EVE fanfest 06 in london would be so much cheaper than flying all the way to bloody iceland hear hear i'd actually say, move to the netherlands, somewhere near a backbone..... Enough of those here :P (not to mention broadband at every corner) Although, having ccp physically close to the actual game servers will be VERY handy indeed. Save Darwinia!
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.11.28 01:46:00 - [48] Originally by: sonofollo isnt the euro used in iceland CCP could just invest in some US$# to offset any currency movements - if it starts to depreciate sell those US$ and simply make a profit and balance the effects of currency appreciation. Either that or start to raise monthly fees im sure a $1 US rise in subscription fees would be accepted by most players Also esp given all the new hardware investment Umm Ollo, they are a software company, not currency speculators. There are costs, skills and risks associated with hedging currencies. (currency speculation level V = its a rank 8 skill) An alternative thought, and one I'm sure is being looked at - Simply sell the income producing assets to a foreign owned CCP company, set up some kind of transfer pricing arrangement to pay for the Icelandic ferraris and voila, profit offshore. Off course, reality is a bit more complicated and the lawyers get rich too, but it's what an awful lot of companies do...
Sergeant Spot	Posted - 2005.11.28 02:09:00 - [49] Originally by: SengH If they did move i doubt the'd actually say where in london due to the next thing that gets nerfed/server going down would probably result in a bunch of angry players with bats outside their office. Angry British gaming-nerd hooligans....... The mind trembles....
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.11.28 02:22:00 - [50] Moving to the UK would be a good call, imo. But please, do it after the next fanfest, so I can come to Iceland at least once :$ Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.11.28 02:26:00 - [51] Originally by: PKlavins am i the only one to say this...? EVE made headline news! before all the stuff about iraq and etc. etc...wow ccp even got free advertisement for EVE...dunno whether thats good or bad these days with the lag though....still No offence to the Icelandic peeps whom I have much <3 for but they got a free advert to a bunch of people about the same size as a moderately sized town in the UK, many European countries or the US i.e. not many. Still cool as a very cool thing in cool land seeing them on TV though, <3 Hilmar. I wouldn't move to the UK though if I were them, the economics of moving to London, whilst better than being in Iceland still are not good. Lots of places in Europe are a damn sight cheaper and are equaly suitable in terms of infrastructure. As someone who's been involved with ex-pat working, both as one and managing the economics of a business with other ex-pats, moving your whole workforce (even the key 20% of employees) is potentially a HUGE undertaking. Good luck to CCP with such a massive decision looming. I hope you know we're going to expect to have a lot more beers with you guys if you come to the UK Eve Blacklight Style
Tarack	Posted - 2005.11.28 05:39:00 - [52] Well people I already cleared out my garage and working on the basement, CCP should move here, to The beautiful Pocono's. I have room. Can also kick out the wench to make more room. But dont think about nerfing, the Chow's will bite you. Spelling is lame WTS: 1 Ex-wife, slightly used. Fully equiped, includes, My house, my car, my dog and my new ex girlfriend.................
Smada	Posted - 2005.11.28 07:53:00 - [53] Well if CCP are "considering" a move, then I agree with Nyphur - they could'nt really go wrong if they moved to the Emerald Isle, peeps are really friendly here. It's much warmer than Iceland (we have palm trees growing on the south coast fer fecks sake! ) Cough...cough...CORK.....
Sir JoJo	Posted - 2005.11.28 08:02:00 - [54] Originally by: Drilla Come to Denmark :D Copenhagen FTW ;) sjµlland is also a island so not big diffrent from iceland ;) Originally by: Eris Discordia As a minmatar I have to say the only good Amarr is a dead Amarr
Aaron Rex	Posted - 2005.11.28 08:04:00 - [55] Originally by: Deovina Edited by: Deovina on 27/11/2005 23:52:57 Considering there are some Icelandic(?) speaking folks in this thread. I've wondered what kind of chart this is: Pic from Fanfest GDP? It's the value of software exports from Iceland in Icelandic Crowns (ISK). The red part is how much Eve has contributed to that in the past few years. As you can see it's starting to be a large share so there is a lot to be lost by Iceland if they do move. And to the Dev's, please don't move, I'd miss you. Get the rest of the software developers as a whole to organise a lobbying group to pressure the govn't into some sort of action. Aaron Rex - Remember the Scordite... The Fated
Lungorthin	Posted - 2005.11.28 08:35:00 - [56] Edited by: Lungorthin on 28/11/2005 08:36:31 Consider central/east europe :) I live there now. Just remember that some ex-communist central and east european countries are pretty much tax heavens now. Take Slovakia with it's 19% one time flat tax rate. That beats even Swizerland. In other countries a Ltd. company pays turnover tax, and when the owners make a payout they have to pay tax again. In some countries you can easily end up paying over 55%~60% to the state in taxes. In countries like Slovakia the 19% flat rate tax is payed only once. (I know for I provide the administrative/paperwork service to some german companies who profit from low taxes here.) And soon (4yrs) we will have the Euro as currency too here. (There are other countries like Estonia which are probably equally interesting) Lungorthin If you want peace... prepare for war.
Avon	Posted - 2005.11.28 09:00:00 - [57] This just sounds like the sort of thing a company says to encourage the gvmt to give them favorable tax breaks. I wouldn't expect a move :P ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Rcat5	Posted - 2005.11.28 09:20:00 - [58] Originally by: Instagib Here is a link to Farice homepage for those wondering.. Replaced Cantat-3 as the most critical connection to Iceland, about year and half ago. Due to much higher bandwidth use than ever the older connections can in no way support the country when Farice goes down. Which as been as of lately way too frequent.. As i understand it from reading the FARICE site it appears that the majority of cuts have been in Scotland, due to the evil that is the fiber seeking backhoe (JCB). It also claims that a second path will be in place in Scotland in Febuary of next year, should that not solve the problem?

kieron	Posted - 2005.11.28 17:05:00 - [59] Here is the situation in short. CCP is losing a significant amount of money due to a combination of taxes and the strength of ISK compared to other currencies. CCP has just moved offices from one area of town to the docks. The new office space is almost twice the size of the old and a much better utilization of the area. There is also potential to expand upwards, if needed. Two nations (Canada and the Isle of Man) have begun 'courting' CCP to move location. As with any offers of this nature, we are investigating them, but that is all we are doing at this time. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Zac Paris	Posted - 2005.11.28 17:14:00 - [60] Originally by: kieron Two nations (Canada and the Isle of Man) have begun 'courting' CCP to move location. As with any offers of this nature, we are investigating them, but that is all we are doing at this time. Isle of Man? Awesome! _____________________________ zacparis - http://eve.zacparis.com
Fortior	Posted - 2005.11.28 17:22:00 - [61] Originally by: Aaron Rex Originally by: Deovina Edited by: Deovina on 27/11/2005 23:52:57 Considering there are some Icelandic(?) speaking folks in this thread. I've wondered what kind of chart this is: Pic from Fanfest GDP? It's the value of software exports from Iceland in Icelandic Crowns (ISK). The red part is how much Eve has contributed to that in the past few years. As you can see it's starting to be a large share so there is a lot to be lost by Iceland if they do move. And to the Dev's, please don't move, I'd miss you. Get the rest of the software developers as a whole to organise a lobbying group to pressure the govn't into some sort of action. Goodness gracious, pretty much all of the IT growth for Iceland since 2003 (and 2006 projected) is because of CCP! Really goes to show how important CCP is, and how small Iceland is Reminds me of Sweden. I heard their Minister of Law played soccer match with a bunch of n3rds for some reality show. It'd be hard to see John Ashcroft do that Small countries are fun.
pk blinder	Posted - 2005.11.28 17:22:00 - [62] CCP are a high end knowledge industry. I dare say all the employees would have something to say about an international move, so don't expect that any time soon, especially as CCP have just moved into larger premesis. But just because they have a load of staff in Iceland, does not necessarily mean they have to have their corporate HQ located there! It may be more efficient to locate the HQ abroad in a tax haven and have payments and profits go through there, but it is a complicated arena. This does however have the typical look of influencing arguments presented to governments by business for some greater luvin!
Thyro	Posted - 2005.11.28 18:30:00 - [63] Originally by: kieron Here is the situation in short. CCP is losing a significant amount of money due to a combination of taxes and the strength of ISK compared to other currencies. CCP has just moved offices from one area of town to the docks. The new office space is almost twice the size of the old and a much better utilization of the area. There is also potential to expand upwards, if needed. Two nations (Canada and the Isle of Man) have begun 'courting' CCP to move location. As with any offers of this nature, we are investigating them, but that is all we are doing at this time. Can't you move for some Off-shore Island so that you would be able to reduce the price of the montly fees? Just a though
Hakera	Posted - 2005.11.28 18:43:00 - [64] Edited by: Hakera on 28/11/2005 18:43:16 Originally by: kieron Two nations (Canada and the Isle of Man) have begun 'courting' CCP to move location. As with any offers of this nature, we are investigating them, but that is all we are doing at this time. If you need a guide to the isle of man, look me up :) being a fund accountant here, I know you will benefit from no general capital gains tax, turnover tax or capital transfer tax, and there are no stamp duties. Apart from VAT, the only significant tax is income tax which is levied on 'persons', ie individuals or corporations (companies). The isle has been driving hard to attract e-commerce in particular a lot of the online gambling sites are run for here and they usual throw in other incentives like financial grants and phased taxation on profits. But they will probably negotiate with you individually as your turnover will be much higher than current online business I think. IoM Government website on e-commerce is here anyway Housing price wise, you can get an idea from here but I can tell you now, the nightlife isnt as good as iceland is and many of the women are veritable 'swamp donkeys' though the manx are decended vikings and proud of it (Im a 'comeover' as they call me - well half manx anyway) so erm you might share some ancestry with them and rape, pillage and plunder occasionally. On a plus note, manchester, london, dublin are all accessible so you could be in london within an hour and tending to TQ much easier than currently. heh, the government better give me some commission if you did move here Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.11.28 18:45:00 - [65] Well the Farice cable went down again today (linkage in the out-of-pod forum, any discussion on that ought to go there I suppose) ... so that can only move CCP's consideration a little further towards "let's go somewhere that ships don't keep chewing up the cables and cutting us off from our product."
JAG Solex	Posted - 2005.11.28 21:21:00 - [66] Originally by: kieron Here is the situation in short. CCP is losing a significant amount of money due to a combination of taxes and the strength of ISK compared to other currencies. CCP has just moved offices from one area of town to the docks. The new office space is almost twice the size of the old and a much better utilization of the area. There is also potential to expand upwards, if needed. Two nations (Canada and the Isle of Man) have begun 'courting' CCP to move location. As with any offers of this nature, we are investigating them, but that is all we are doing at this time. If you're going to come to Canada, make sure it's BC. The other 90% of Canada is basically hostile to human life for half the year. Some links: About BC BC High Tech Info -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [SOLST]<ASCN>
Demarcus	Posted - 2005.11.28 21:26:00 - [67] Move to the US we have plenty of room and our currency isn't worth crap. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Natasha Kerensky	Posted - 2005.11.28 21:51:00 - [68] Originally by: Demarcus Move to the US we have plenty of room and our currency isn't worth crap. Actually, come to Texas, we are better than the rest of the US kthnxbye Lieutenant, Deputy Chief of Security Channel: CAINCOM
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.11.28 22:05:00 - [69] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 28/11/2005 22:08:00 Alot of Icelandic export-based businesses have been tanking recently, as the currency exchange rates are just stupid right now. The dollar used to be around 100+ isk during the clinton residency, but is down to around 62 isk. Along with that, a bevy of large construction efforts and influx of external labour has artificually inflated the value of the isk. We'll hit heavy inflation in less than a year, methinks. --- God-King of Genitalia
Graelyn	Posted - 2005.11.28 23:13:00 - [70] Hilmar looks like he's lost some weight. Good on him. :) Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia Fleet Admiral/CEO - The Aeternus Crusade
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2005.11.28 23:24:00 - [71] Originally by: pardux also this leitari ;o Linkage Leading story eh? cool. I guess the question would be, 'would CCP / Eve lose part of it's soul moving elsewhere?'
Arti K	Posted - 2005.11.28 23:26:00 - [72] Whatever happened to all the "we just love to make video games" crap they were streaming when the game first came out? If you find a job you love, you'll never work a day in your life.
Burga Galti	Posted - 2005.11.28 23:33:00 - [73] They wouldn't lose any soul by moving to Scotland! Think about it, we're heavy drinkers (fit right in), great nightlife (Glasgow anyway), great attitude (like Iceland), same timezone as London, easily recruit lots & lots of GMs (many trained for dealing with the public). Downside: Neds. Oh yea, did I mention the beer? **************** Pain is a way of knowing yourself; Death is the ultimate in self-discovery.
Avon	Posted - 2005.11.28 23:34:00 - [74] Isle of Man TT + Fan Fest = winnah. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2005.11.28 23:38:00 - [75] Originally by: Burga Galti They wouldn't lose any soul by moving to Scotland! Think about it, we're heavy drinkers (fit right in), great nightlife (Glasgow anyway), great attitude (like Iceland), same timezone as London, easily recruit lots & lots of GMs (many trained for dealing with the public). Downside: Neds. Oh yea, did I mention the beer? :-) I guess everyone want's them to move to their hometown because it sounds like a fantastic place to work. Need a Neuroscientist CCP?
BM Trader	Posted - 2005.11.28 23:39:00 - [76] Originally by: JAG Solex Edited by: JAG Solex on 28/11/2005 21:25:30 Originally by: kieron Here is the situation in short. CCP is losing a significant amount of money due to a combination of taxes and the strength of ISK compared to other currencies. CCP has just moved offices from one area of town to the docks. The new office space is almost twice the size of the old and a much better utilization of the area. There is also potential to expand upwards, if needed. Two nations (Canada and the Isle of Man) have begun 'courting' CCP to move location. As with any offers of this nature, we are investigating them, but that is all we are doing at this time. If you're going to come to Canada, make sure it's BC. The other 90% of Canada is basically hostile to human life for half the year. EDIT - and there are many scandinavian hockey players in Vancouver - they say it reminds them of home.. Who you ask? Marcus Naslund, Daniel & Henrik Sedin, Mattias Ohlund are the most notable ones. Some links: About BC BC High Tech Info ok thats not a nice thing to say about your country and being from ontario i find that offensive also if you check on ebay you'll find most of the canadian people selling eve stuff are from BC so ya that says a lot to backup what you said
Chronus26	Posted - 2005.11.28 23:59:00 - [77] LOL Scotland broke the FARICE line on more than one occasion... Damn scots... (BTW in from scotland) -----
Sochin	Posted - 2005.11.29 00:01:00 - [78] Originally by: Natasha Kerensky Originally by: Demarcus Move to the US we have plenty of room and our currency isn't worth crap. Actually, come to Texas, we are better than the rest of the US kthnxbye The only good thing to ever come out of Texas was id software. Nemo me impune lacessit
Soren	Posted - 2005.11.29 00:19:00 - [79] Would kieron be moving to Canada also since it's not "too far" from the US, or would he stay where he is. (If it theoritically ever happened ) _______________________________________________
jamesw	Posted - 2005.11.29 00:35:00 - [80] Have you considered Sealand?? I am sure Prince Roy would love to have you there! -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
smirnoff blue	Posted - 2005.11.29 01:43:00 - [81] i think they should move to the same street as me so i can hand dilever my petitions and get them on it quick
Celticjim	Posted - 2005.11.29 01:57:00 - [82] whoa...this is interesting. If Canada, what a great thing for any of the provinces. Although slightly partial, Alberta would be best bet for the lack of provincial sales tax, Bioware is located in Edmonton, and either the City of Edmonton, or City of St. Albert would provide some amazing incentives to have you grace their respective cities. If the provincial gov't gets going soon too, the supernet should be up and running in the next bit. Infrastructure is sound, not referring to technical, but economic, and the province is booming with the oil sands and related spin offs. I can't speak to the City of Edmonton, but the City of St. Albert would definitely be interested in speaking with CCP. CJ
Lorth	Posted - 2005.11.29 02:16:00 - [83] While it would be cool if CCP came to canada. I'm certain that what ever they decide, will be for the best interests of the company and the game. BTW, Canada has good beer.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.29 02:36:00 - [84] well why not just buy some US$ once icelands currency has finished appreciating sell at a profit - called hedging
Spy4Hire	Posted - 2005.11.29 03:10:00 - [85] Originally by: Xerxes X I have heard of companies that still operate in the USA, but have their address in the UK (usually a small office) for legal and maybe financial reasons. Could this also apply to CCP? Xerxes X THose companies do that to get around paying taxes, while not passing on the requisite savings to purchasers... but tax evasion isn't the topic here... Well, CCP may be trying to get away from taxes too. Guess all they need to do is open a 1-room office in some dingy suburb of London?
Soren	Posted - 2005.11.29 03:39:00 - [86] Originally by: BM Trader Originally by: JAG Solex Edited by: JAG Solex on 28/11/2005 21:25:30 Originally by: kieron Here is the situation in short. CCP is losing a significant amount of money due to a combination of taxes and the strength of ISK compared to other currencies. CCP has just moved offices from one area of town to the docks. The new office space is almost twice the size of the old and a much better utilization of the area. There is also potential to expand upwards, if needed. Two nations (Canada and the Isle of Man) have begun 'courting' CCP to move location. As with any offers of this nature, we are investigating them, but that is all we are doing at this time. If you're going to come to Canada, make sure it's BC. The other 90% of Canada is basically hostile to human life for half the year. EDIT - and there are many scandinavian hockey players in Vancouver - they say it reminds them of home.. Who you ask? Marcus Naslund, Daniel & Henrik Sedin, Mattias Ohlund are the most notable ones. Some links: About BC BC High Tech Info ok thats not a nice thing to say about your country and being from ontario i find that offensive also if you check on ebay you'll find most of the canadian people selling eve stuff are from BC so ya that says a lot to backup what you said Dude.. he was saying it's COLD for half of the year.. why take offence to that? (I'm from Ontario also.. don't get ur panties in a twist) _______________________________________________
Idara	Posted - 2005.11.29 03:47:00 - [87] ZOMG! Move to Canada! I'll come to every fanfest then! -------------------------------------------------------- Lance Corporal BSC Military
Smada	Posted - 2005.11.29 04:03:00 - [88] Isle of Man 4tw!
JAG Solex	Posted - 2005.11.29 06:02:00 - [89] Originally by: BM Trader Originally by: JAG Solex Edited by: JAG Solex on 28/11/2005 21:25:30 Originally by: kieron Here is the situation in short. CCP is losing a significant amount of money due to a combination of taxes and the strength of ISK compared to other currencies. CCP has just moved offices from one area of town to the docks. The new office space is almost twice the size of the old and a much better utilization of the area. There is also potential to expand upwards, if needed. Two nations (Canada and the Isle of Man) have begun 'courting' CCP to move location. As with any offers of this nature, we are investigating them, but that is all we are doing at this time. If you're going to come to Canada, make sure it's BC. The other 90% of Canada is basically hostile to human life for half the year. EDIT - and there are many scandinavian hockey players in Vancouver - they say it reminds them of home.. Who you ask? Marcus Naslund, Daniel & Henrik Sedin, Mattias Ohlund are the most notable ones. Some links: About BC BC High Tech Info ok thats not a nice thing to say about your country and being from ontario i find that offensive also if you check on ebay you'll find most of the canadian people selling eve stuff are from BC so ya that says a lot to backup what you said ummm.. yah. Being from Ontario, I guess you would find that offensive. The truth hurts don't it? I've got some nice BC bud I can sell you though.. it'll ease your pain. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [SOLST]<ASCN>
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.11.29 09:35:00 - [90] I say we all fly to Iceland and wear CCP t-shirts and stand outside there houses and stare into there windows from the street till they move somewhere cheaper for fanfest to be held! Just a crazy idea though -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Necronomicon	Posted - 2005.11.29 12:24:00 - [91] Edited by: Necronomicon on 29/11/2005 12:26:56 The Isle of Man would be a superb location with excellent comms to the UK and a great package for businesses in the way of tax etc. I just wouldn't be expecting the same sort of nightlife that you get in Iceland. Beer is cheap though :D P.S if you do move over here, can I have a job? BTW - It would be a lot cheaper to hold the fanfest here, a LOT. Boats from Heysham and Liverpool, cheap flights from London etc. And the ladiez can stay at my country mansion free of charge ;) Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
King Frieza	Posted - 2005.11.29 14:08:00 - [92] Move to North-Korea, it pWnz. Think about all the cheap testing staff you could hire, and hell, you could maybe get early screenings of Sympathy for Lady Vengeance, that is if South-Korea allows you to enter after going north. kekeke ^^
mahhy	Posted - 2005.11.29 15:12:00 - [93] Originally by: BM Trader ok thats not a nice thing to say about your country and being from ontario i find that offensive How can anyone consider that offensive? He's absolutely right. The west coast has a much more mild winter than the rest of Canada. Ontarios bad enough (my home province) but try visiting Edmonton or Winnipeg in Januray/February. Its really is hostile to life. Step outside without a jacket and you'll agree Try the east coast at the same time. Gah. But then CCP is from Iceland, I can't imagine their winters are that much better? P.S. Um, wether its Canada or Isle of Man, can I have a job? I'm able to relocate
Gothikia	Posted - 2005.11.29 15:13:00 - [94] move to glasgow in scotland. :) nightlife here = awesome big juicy network connections = plentyful :) devs can stay with me :) -- Gothikia
Torquemanda Corteaz	Posted - 2005.11.29 15:35:00 - [95] Move to Manchester, the internet backbones for the enitre northwest are here... nightlife is good, theres buckloads of office space..... meh no speed limit on the isle of mann i'd go with that :)
Capsicum	Posted - 2005.11.29 15:50:00 - [96] The other nice thing about the Isle of Man, is the distinct lack of Hßkarl
Leitari	Posted - 2005.11.29 15:53:00 - [97] oi... there's nothing wrong with a bit of hßkarl..... foul demon....
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2005.11.29 16:40:00 - [98] Edited by: Slink Grinsdikild on 29/11/2005 16:40:01 Originally by: Capsicum The other nice thing about the Isle of Man, is the distinct lack of Hßkarl You obviously havn't been to some of the chipshops around here.. Iceland isn't the only place famous for its manky old fish.
X'Alor	Posted - 2005.11.29 16:42:00 - [99] Isle of man. Plan fanfest around the race. that would be kinda cool but Montreal Canada. Plan fanfest around all those luscious montreal babes and their variety of strip joints Me votes Montreal ..... them little frenchie canadian babes are georgeous. And the dity aint bad either
Necronomicon	Posted - 2005.11.29 16:45:00 - [100] I must admit I always wondered what the quantity of eve players was on the Island, maybe CCP could release some figures based on IP connections. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.

kieron	Posted - 2005.11.29 17:16:00 - [101] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri I say we all fly to Iceland and wear CCP t-shirts and stand outside there houses and stare into there windows from the street till they move somewhere cheaper for fanfest to be held! Just a crazy idea though FanFest 06? In all seriousness, at this time all we are doing is investigating offers that have been made. IF we determine it would be in the game and company's best interests to move overseas, moving would be a long way into the future. The offers are nice, as is the information, but there is a lot of planning to do before traveling down any road to a new home. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

HippoKing	Posted - 2005.11.29 17:22:00 - [102] UK! that way you can be near your servers, and i can get to fanfest cheaply \/
Suze'Rain	Posted - 2005.11.29 17:58:00 - [103] Scotland. Contact the scottish enterprise board, and they're likely to start touting you for suport too. Scottish New Media has some of the most respected studio creatives in the world, with DMA Designs, Visual Science, Rockstar North, Realtime Worlds, and a host of dozens of other companies throughout the country who are have demonstrated that the scottish games industry is among the most vibrant in the world. From every genre, including MMO development, scottish studios are ripe for headhunting for expansion. Having worked in the industry in project management (away from my usual artist's positions) for setting up studios before - admittedly on a considerably lower budget (only a few millions, small change to CCP's scale), I can say with absolute certainty that the avaialbility of staff, infrastructure and development opportunity is second to none globally. It also has a range of some of the most talented graduates in the industry, though academic sources like the university of Abertay, Dundee, with its related Dare to Be Digital campaigns, supported currently by EA, and other companies. The university and city may be pretty duff, but the graduates it produces are top-notch. and that's ignoring the eqqually skilled workforce in other cities. Dundee also has one of the most recognised IT infrastructures in the country, including multiple support teams for national and international companies - exactly the sort of infrastucture you will need to outsource for support GM teams. oh, and by the time you've set up there, I can hopefully have reached an expert level in Maya skills, and apply for a job... coughcoughno ulterior motivecoughcough

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