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Stonecrusher Mortlock
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2013.06.28 02:30:00 -
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If its ok to DDoS someones eve com's that your fighting, is it ok for me to start punching people i'm fighting in the sack next time i go to fan-fest?
I see no difference there both taking in game, to out of game.
If your ok with one why is the other one not ok?
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
930
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Posted - 2013.06.28 02:36:00 -
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Of course neither is okay. But we all know this, so I'm confused. What are we here to discuss?
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1371
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:09:00 -
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When is it ok to DDoS someones comms?
Oh also: DDoSing someones comms: "Hey guys I can't get into TS"
Punching someone 'down there': "Hey there, what do you do in E- argh, what the hell? Why'd you punch me there?"
You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
142
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:11:00 -
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No it's not OK to do either. But then it's stupid to use comms that reveal your IP to others. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
146
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:16:00 -
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I miss DOS |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3063
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:19:00 -
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Both have consequences. Punching someone in the nuts I think will have more 'tangible' repercussions. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
304
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:21:00 -
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Setaceous wrote:No it's not OK to do either. But then it's stupid to use comms that reveal your IP to others.
When folks egos are so wrapped up in a game that they can't distinguish reality from fantasy, that's what is stupid.
If in EvE you have to hide your IP to play, then this game shouldn't be played at all, as it's a haven of some serious mentally ill players who'll do anything to win.
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
~George Orwell
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
261
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:26:00 -
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DDoSing, flag-stealing, and now punching people in the happy sack?
~Eveisreal 2013~ |
Arduemont
The Asteroid Solution
1566
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:26:00 -
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Although I whole heartedly agree that DDoS attacks on your coms host is terrible, perhaps you should be look for a better host. You can get DDoS protection from most server hosts, the Teamspeak official servers included.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
142
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:27:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Setaceous wrote:No it's not OK to do either. But then it's stupid to use comms that reveal your IP to others. When folks egos are so wrapped up in a game that they can't distinguish reality from fantasy, that's what is stupid. If in EvE you have to hide your IP to play, then this game shouldn't be played at all, as it's a haven of some serious mentally ill players who'll do anything to win.
It's something that happens in all PvP in MMOs. Mostly because people don't update their software and other people become overly competitive. Example - old versions of Skype are vulnerable to an IP snoop, the newer version is not. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
309
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:40:00 -
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It's also illegal in a whole lot of countries to do that, so if someone is targeting you like that, consider taking it to the cops via your ISP. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
261
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:54:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:It's also illegal in a whole lot of countries to do that, so if someone is targeting you like that, consider taking it to the cops via your ISP.
I like his idea of punching someone in the sack more than this one. People's contemporary reliance on cops is why a lot of crap has become so widespread. *Report to police, realize after a few months that nothing will be done about it anyway* |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
524
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:00:00 -
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Nut punching is always funny and permisable.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
-irregardless, I'm with Yolo Swaggins, and the followship of the bling.-á |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
885
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:04:00 -
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The OP makes me think he petitioned CCP about it, as if they have any control over your OOG comms. CCP can't do much if your comms get shut down but something tells me you'll have a series of difficulties if you go around punching guys in the sack at Fan-Fest.
I'm Denzel Washington, and I play chess. |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
718
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:04:00 -
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Enjoy your little cozy cell. |
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
42
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:16:00 -
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DoS prosecution is all about intent. Sometimes I just feel like sending my enemy a TB of gay sex; who could fault me for that? (kidding - no list please)
Incidentally, please stop saying DDoS when you mean DoS. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3743
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:20:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:DoS prosecution is all about intent. Sometimes I just feel like sending my enemy a TB of gay sex; who could fault me for that? (kidding - no list please)
Incidentally, please stop saying DDoS when you mean DoS.
Just don't send it to them image by image by linking it in local.
(**** in local will get you banned for a week or so)
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
TEST Defence, Please Ignore |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
718
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:39:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Although I whole heartedly agree that DDoS attacks on your coms host is terrible, perhaps you should be look for a better host. You can get DDoS protection from most server hosts, the Teamspeak official servers included.
Just don't throw away your money for nearly useless protection plans that only prevent amateurs from doing anything.
Just having a better financed and bigger company hosting it, will scare many of these types off anyway and/or they will be able to track the culprit(s) down.
Considering the geek-pool that is EVE, if someone is determined enough to do this, they will likely accomplish their goals -- whether or not they get away with it is another story. |
Just Lilly
79
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Posted - 2013.06.28 06:00:00 -
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Can't decide right from wrong if you had to ask the question, both are bad.
However, one of them, you would probably get away with fairly easy 
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
309
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Posted - 2013.06.28 06:04:00 -
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Setaceous wrote:It's something that happens in all PvP in MMOs. Mostly because people don't update their software and other people become overly competitive. Example - old versions of Skype are vulnerable to an IP snoop, the newer version is not.
I have a Vent server. I raid and do PvP with that server.
Never had DDoS.
Why?
Because most people aren't so seriously disturbed that they need too.
If you regularly have a problem with DDoS attacks, really check who you associate with and what you play. Because like in real life, if you sleep with the dogs, you will get fleas.
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
310
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Posted - 2013.06.28 06:10:00 -
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Amarra Mandalin wrote:Just having a better financed and bigger company hosting it, will scare many of these types off anyway and/or they will be able to track the culprit(s) down.
Yeah, and not some ISK third party.
I use Vent on Internap bandwidth (not that Cogent crap), from a company that specializes in gaming (so they're well aware of SKs and worse). Half the internet can go down, my Vent will still be up.
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
~George Orwell
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Katsumoto Moliko
Salient Logistics Inc.
The Explicit Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.06.28 06:29:00 -
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DDoS is considered a crime (and if I remember correctly, an act of war too, under some circumstances) in almost every developed nation that relies on electronics and the internet.
For clarification:
Quote:DoS: Attack on a target IP using one machine with the intent to disrupt traffic flow and render incoming and outgoing communications from the target IP impossible.
DDoS: Attack on a target IP using multiple machines with the intent to disrupt traffic flow and render incoming and outgoing communications from the target IP impossible.
Having seen some of my favorite communities on some games go belly up because of unrelenting DDoS attacks (and I mean actual DDoS, not just DoS), I personally would never condone using a DoS or DDoS attack under any circumstance for any reason.
Some people on the internet like to forget the very distinct boundary that separates real life from our cyberspace fantasy worlds. The moment someone takes winning a GAME (of all things) that seriously is when there is a significant cause for concern.
So no, DoS nor DDoS are okay under any circumstance.  |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union
The Predictables
398
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Posted - 2013.06.28 06:36:00 -
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Why aren't you meta enough to have a backup teamspeak and jabber, and a backup of the backup? |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
675
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Posted - 2013.06.28 07:05:00 -
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"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
CCP don't give a **** about who is at the receiving end of the packet cannon, as long as it's not their servers. Besides it's only the null power blocks who are using ddos, and half the employees at CCP comes from the same parts of null... you really think they are in a position to do any finger pointing?
You might not like it but around here the pigs walk on two legs, smoke cigars and drink whiskey.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Sarah McKnobbo
Omamori Himari
Pandora Hearts
2
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:04:00 -
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CCP please introduce a 'punch in the sack' module with next patch |
Mascha Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:57:00 -
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Getting pixel-punched: 0$
Flying to FF + hotel: 1500$ (?)
Beer: 50$
Getting arrested for taking RL revenge: priceless |
Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
70
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:13:00 -
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Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:If its ok to DDoS someones eve com's that your fighting, is it ok for me to start punching people i'm fighting in the sack next time i go to fan-fest?
I see no difference there both taking in game, to out of game.
If your ok with one why is the other one not ok?
I very much doubt if most EVE players could punch their way out of a wet paper bag.
Don't Panic.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
550
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:44:00 -
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Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:If its ok to DDoS someones eve com's that your fighting, is it ok for me to start punching people i'm fighting in the sack next time i go to fan-fest?
Neither is OK, so no. |
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
143
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:56:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Both have consequences. Punching someone in the nuts I think will have more 'tangible' repercussions.
OUCH! I bet  |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1639
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Posted - 2013.06.28 11:02:00 -
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Pretty sure most countries wont have laws against DDoS attacks, punching somebody in the nuts however you'll find, is pretty much going to get you locked up, and possibly beat down if you underestimated your target |
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