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SithSnak3
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Posted - 2005.11.28 03:52:00 -
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Greetings,fellow Eveians: A funny idea hit me while,And yes!,i'm still on the jove thing:).still looking. That!theres! No diffrents tween the Borgs of startrek and the jove's of Eve.Now, What if a Jump Gate or hyper jump gate to the StarTrek server on "Visa" to Eve,was possible,what foundations would be made,?,tween the emipres.Could the a new beginning take place?. And I still want to know why i can not be adopted to another race,Jove being that race.?.Will RmR activate jove agents? And Bloody Merry Xmas to each and every one of you's Long live the Jove Emipre.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.11.28 03:59:00 -
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I swear to god, for the first month I played EVE, I had to remind myself every day that Brutors are NOT Klingons and I should NOT try to speak Klingon to them.
Also, the Jovians would eat the Borg for breakfast.
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2005.11.28 04:00:00 -
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What do the Jove and the Borg have in common? There is definitely not "No diffrents"  __________________ Retard's handbook |

Cerberal
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Posted - 2005.11.28 04:03:00 -
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Jove dont assimilate others into their race =O And theyre friendly too.
Borg prettymuch eat anything they can for dinner
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2005.11.28 04:09:00 -
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"Jove-borg, whats the diff??"
Jovians are uglier
*Balklances current ship self-destructs
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.11.28 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cerberal Jove dont assimilate others into their race =O And theyre friendly too.
Borg prettymuch eat anything they can for dinner
The borg only assimiliate races that have something they'd want. They probably just outright annhilate lesser races or ignore them until they're worth it.
Also, considering the Joves are one set race derived from humans, and the borg are.. every race they've ever invaded successfully, I'd say there's a huge difference.
Also, Engima >>>> Borg Cube ------------------------------------
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Therefore 1Bill isk costs you $129.50.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.11.28 04:47:00 -
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Let's be specific. The Jovians are both a race and a civilization. The Borg is an intelligence. The intelligence known as the Borg inhabits and controlls many species of life forms. It tends to destroy civilizations, but it probably isn't one, in and of itself, because it only represents one intelligence.
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.11.28 05:41:00 -
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borg isnt a race really... its a collective of races to be precise  ____________ The cargo bay is overloaded and cannot be made to fit Expanded Cargohold I. It is currently only capable of fitting 8772.12 units and it is currently jammed full with 9558.33 units. |

SengH
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Posted - 2005.11.28 05:51:00 -
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TomB would probably use it as an excuse to develop some ridiculously overpowered weapon for the Jove mothership, then Oveur would ride it into the middle of the borg fleet and set it off yelling "Cus I'm Extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeme". Then watch the fireworks :P
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tinae
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Posted - 2005.11.28 06:44:00 -
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Brutors are a huge klingon ripoff
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Kichi Kaze
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Posted - 2005.11.29 08:02:00 -
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The Borg are a collective, a race composed of various beings assimilated from other cuktures. How the Borg came into existence, no one knows for sure. When a race has developed a new technology and the Borg come across it, they move in and assimilate the newly developed technology and the people and destroy the civilization in their wake. All Borg are tied into a single consciousness called the Borg Collective which shares their thoughts. At the apex of the Hive mind is the Borg Queen (Star Trek First Contact). They only assimilate if a race is deemed worthy of assimilation either on technological and/or biological level. Hence the words "We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own".
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LeisureSuit Lurkie
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Posted - 2005.11.29 08:07:00 -
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Joveans are the humans, terrans of earth. They fly with terran ships and have never been cut connection to Earth, like the rest of us. |

JeanLuc Picarde
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Posted - 2005.11.29 08:13:00 -
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*does NOT like the word Borg*
im not locutus damn it. :oP
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.11.29 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: tinae Brutors are a huge klingon ripoff
Its a what, now?
Big black guys are Klingon rip-offs? -------------------------
Rover Vitesse > Finix, i am not going to go all the way tonight |
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kieron

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Posted - 2005.11.29 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cerberal Jove dont assimilate others into their race and theyre friendly too.
Unless you try to bring an attack fleet into their homeworld. Then they get annoyed. Not mad, just annoyed.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2005.11.29 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Originally by: Cerberal Jove dont assimilate others into their race and theyre friendly too.
Unless you try to bring an attack fleet into their homeworld. Then they get annoyed. Not mad, just annoyed.
That looks like it can hurt!!!
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.11.29 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Flyyn
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: Cerberal Jove dont assimilate others into their race and theyre friendly too.
Unless you try to bring an attack fleet into their homeworld. Then they get annoyed. Not mad, just annoyed.
That looks like it can hurt!!!
Heh, daddy's laying out the smack down. 
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Tawny Merekitain
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Posted - 2005.11.29 18:58:00 -
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From the Borg perspective they are not destroying civilizations or doing something "evil" or wrong. To the Borg they are doing something good for the socities they assimilate by bringing them to a greater state of perfection known as the collective. Thus freeing them from the personal freedom of action that leads to so much evil, wrongdoing and self destruction.
I haven't read much about the Jove Empire but I have to say I can't see any similarities between the two whatsoever :)
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Jean'Marie Balestre
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Posted - 2005.11.29 19:10:00 -
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what's the difference? The jove don't have Will Shatner and co acting badly, or need busty actresses to get ratings....
and CCP have a bit more creativity that those godawful TV series.
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Kaeljen Dae
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Posted - 2005.11.29 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: LeisureSuit Lurkie Joveans are the humans, terrans of earth. They fly with terran ships and have never been cut connection to Earth, like the rest of us.
    
Where did you read that? The Jove are cut off like all other races in EVE from earth, it's just that they were the first to get into space, are VERY curious though secretive, therefore nobody knowing what's really going on in their space. Also, they have their own problems to mind - the problem of the other races don't affect them so much, they are isolated in every sense. Whenever Jovians _do_ interact with the other races it has a great impact on the latter. _If_ I had to compare them to trekky stuff, I'd say they act like Volcanians, are like Q is to humans to the other races and only have the pale and deformed looks of the Borg (with not as many implants ^^)... and I'd still not be anywhere near it.
Also, as a Brutor, I can say that we are _not_ anywhere near Klingons to all those who have claimed it's like that. I'm not willing to justify that (you haven't justified your stance either.)
/Kael
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Eris Discordia

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Posted - 2005.11.29 19:53:00 -
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Jove's are ugly, I don't care what they can do tech wise, they are ugly as hell and creepy. 
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2005.11.29 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia Jove's are ugly, I don't care what they can do tech wise, they are ugly as hell and creepy. 
I wonder who that was directed at? hehehehe
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.11.29 21:06:00 -
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Jove have nothing similar to Borg at all except being very high tech. The Borg of EVE are the Sashas.
Also, I see the rouge drones as being like the Replicators from Stargate SG 1. ------
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Wolfstriked
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Posted - 2005.11.29 21:13:00 -
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The jovians are from earth also,or so I read.Their society has been doing genetic engineering on their population for centuries.I read that jovians dont reproduce like the rest of the races instead they are grown in laboratories like todays test tube babies.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.11.29 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Shakor Jove have nothing similar to Borg at all except being very high tech. The Borg of EVE are the Sashas.
Also, I see the rouge drones as being like the Replicators from Stargate SG 1.
replicators was teh rip off of teh borg like mucho stargate.
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Munin Crow
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Posted - 2005.11.29 22:25:00 -
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I heard that Joves are 7 feet tall, and shoot lighting from their arse. They don't even need spaceships... they just take aim and fire and fleets are destroyed. I heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend of mine.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2005.11.29 22:37:00 -
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Borg don't blow up into bits and bleed all over the galaxy while using their transporters, do they? Damn that guy... he messed up all my kinky magazines in the locker
Originally by: Oveur
I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2005.11.29 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Gothikia on 29/11/2005 23:01:25
Originally by: Munin Crow I heard that Joves are 7 feet tall, and shoot lighting from their arse.
Nah thats just me IRL..
but jovians are sexy, and nice fellas... read the backstory of EVE :) -- Gothikia |

CB Cyrix
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Posted - 2005.11.29 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Balklanac "Jove-borg, whats the diff??"
Jovians are uglier
*Balklances current ship self-destructs
Yea, just look at TomB, hes an ugly bugger. And his eve pics not any better 
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digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2005.11.30 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeljen Dae
Originally by: LeisureSuit Lurkie Joveans are the humans, terrans of earth. They fly with terran ships and have never been cut connection to Earth, like the rest of us.
    
Where did you read that? The Jove are cut off like all other races in EVE from earth, it's just that they were the first to get into space....
/Kael
Actually,if you see the eve intro again,it states that it was the Amarr empire who were the first to re-invent spaceflight...
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2005.11.30 02:35:00 -
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The Jove, although they were cut off from Earth, didn't lose their technology. That's the difference.
If we ever ran into the Terran humans again, I suspect that they'd outtech the Jove by a significant margin.
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2005.11.30 02:35:00 -
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The Jove, although they were cut off from Earth, didn't lose their technology. That's the difference.
If we ever ran into the Terran humans again, I suspect that they'd outtech the Jove by a significant margin.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2005.11.30 04:02:00 -
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Borg. Came from that satelite? The one that was captured by a robotic/artificial planet and got them active on the reach for perfection? Or the "maker"? Turning out to be NASA as it was their satelite? Or something like that.
If you look at the time that has passed then indeed the Oreo's (Original Humans) should outclass anything we have or be extinct for some reason. Or maybe assimilated heh. Or maybe they soaked too long in milk.
Raindrop
100% Carebear and loving it. Collector of junk and leftovers. NPC and low end minerals trader. Hauler. |

Raindrop
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Posted - 2005.11.30 04:02:00 -
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Borg. Came from that satelite? The one that was captured by a robotic/artificial planet and got them active on the reach for perfection? Or the "maker"? Turning out to be NASA as it was their satelite? Or something like that.
If you look at the time that has passed then indeed the Oreo's (Original Humans) should outclass anything we have or be extinct for some reason. Or maybe assimilated heh. Or maybe they soaked too long in milk.
Raindrop
100% Carebear and loving it. Collector of junk and leftovers. NPC and low end minerals trader. Hauler. |

Riffix
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Posted - 2005.11.30 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: Riffix on 30/11/2005 07:09:51 Now that I think about it, I can see a similarity between the Jove and the Romulans pre-Dominion war....or maybe a nerfed version of the Q....
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.11.30 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear
Originally by: Darius Shakor Jove have nothing similar to Borg at all except being very high tech. The Borg of EVE are the Sashas.
Also, I see the rouge drones as being like the Replicators from Stargate SG 1.
replicators was teh rip off of teh borg like mucho stargate.
Yes, and rouge drones are a rip off of the replicators.
But both rouge drones and replicators are 100% mechanical, while Borg are cybornetic. Hence my conclusion. ------
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.11.30 10:12:00 -
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Rouge drones.. Calls for a Winterblink WDA..
[Now with MIND BULLETS!]
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jason hill
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Posted - 2005.11.30 10:26:00 -
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I still reckon that disco and sutty got together and made the joves 
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Omatje
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Posted - 2005.11.30 10:41:00 -
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Jove sticked all the bolts and screws in Minmatar ships instead of their bodies. i'm a paintshop nono |

UPA Terf
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Posted - 2005.11.30 13:07:00 -
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i swore to god when i started this game i would not stand by and silently let it be compared to star trek. it is a travesty. please i beg of you stop the comparison, with the exception of being in space they are almost nothing alike. lets all take a step back enjoy the game and not let the "EVIL SHOW" invade our EVE |

Janus Ovellian
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Posted - 2005.11.30 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: Kaeljen Dae
Originally by: LeisureSuit Lurkie Joveans are the humans, terrans of earth. They fly with terran ships and have never been cut connection to Earth, like the rest of us.
    
Where did you read that? The Jove are cut off like all other races in EVE from earth, it's just that they were the first to get into space....
/Kael
Actually,if you see the eve intro again,it states that it was the Amarr empire who were the first to re-invent spaceflight...
Sort of... if you read the Jove backstory it says they only spent a few centuries after the collapse of the Eve gate before achieving spaceflight.
That is, a few centuries after 8061 AD.
The Amarrians 're-discovered' spaceflight (spec. warp technology/ Jump gate tech) "more than 2,000 years ago". Considering that the current date is 106 EST (I think?), which is equivalent to 23342 AD, the amarrians are 'a bit' behind. 
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2005.11.30 13:45:00 -
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The Jove are not the borg because the Jove are NOT EVIL COMMUNISTS THAT JUST WANT TO DESTROY OUR GREAT WESTERN FREEDOM LOVING WAY OF LIFE AND DESTROY OUR INDIVIDUALITY!! AND OUR ONLY HOPE AGAINST THEM ARE OUR BRILLIANT AND MORALLY SUPERIOR MILITARY AND OUR THOUGHTFUL AND LOVING LEADERS!!! SERVE THE LEADERS NOT THE TRAITORS THAT TELL YOU OTHERWISE!!!
oh and assimilate from Dictionary.com...
as+sim+i+late Audio pronunciation of "assimilate" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-sm-lt) v. as+sim+i+lat+ed, as+sim+i+lat+ing, as+sim+i+lates v. tr.
1. Physiology. 1. To consume and incorporate (nutrients) into the body after digestion. 2. To transform (food) into living tissue by the process of anabolism; metabolize constructively. 2. To incorporate and absorb into the mind: assimilate knowledge. 3. To make similar; cause to resemble. 4. Linguistics. To alter (a sound) by assimilation. 5. To absorb (immigrants or a culturally distinct group) into the prevailing culture.
Oh, and right now Borg also = Pathetic space zombies. *yawn*
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.11.30 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfstriked they are grown in laboratories like todays test tube babies.
Actually today's test tube babies aren't grown in tubes. They're fertilized in tubes and then placed inside women.
Originally by: Munin Crow I heard that Joves are 7 feet tall, and shoot lighting from their arse. They don't even need spaceships... they just take aim and fire and fleets are destroyed. I heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend of mine.
Originally by: Eris Discordia Jove's are ugly, I don't care what they can do tech wise, they are ugly as hell and creepy. 
Well I'm not ugly but I am creepy, and I'm not seven feet tall, but I can shoot fire out of my arse. Does that make me half Jovian?
Originally by: Raindrop Borg. Came from that satelite? The one that was captured by a robotic/artificial planet and got them active on the reach for perfection? Or the "maker"? Turning out to be NASA as it was their satelite? Or something like that.
No, that was "VGER", which turned out to be a Voyager probe programmed to gather as much information as possible and launched in the 1970's...and at some point it must have encountered some alien race that outfitted it with a massive uber-powerful spaceship to fly around in and learn practically everything there is to know.
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Taketa De
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Posted - 2005.11.30 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Shakor
Originally by: fairimear
Originally by: Darius Shakor Jove have nothing similar to Borg at all except being very high tech. The Borg of EVE are the Sashas.
Also, I see the rouge drones as being like the Replicators from Stargate SG 1.
replicators was teh rip off of teh borg like mucho stargate.
Yes, and rouge drones are a rip off of the replicators.
But both rouge drones and replicators are 100% mechanical, while Borg are cybornetic. Hence my conclusion.
Actually Replicators are not 100% mechanical. You can't make a mechanical machine that acts like that out of all the same parts. To be honest I'd say they are almost not mechanical at all. And to make a mechanical machine that can think is incedibly complex and would probably be larger, even if made out of nano-parts. Drones would probably be mainly electric/photonic depending on what kind of tech EVE uses in that regard.
But to quoted point of ripoffs. Neiter Rogue Drones nor the Replicators of stargate are fully original concepts. The concept of self replicating machines has been done before in various varieties going back multiple decades. Just because Stargate is the first time some may have heard of it, doesn't mean it's the first time this has been done/written or thought about.
Anyway, it's not the concept that makes something original (very few original concepts in entertainment these days. Almost everything has been done in some way before) it's the specific implementation of that concept.
Both Replicators and Rogue Drones follow a same basic concept with a vastly different implementation.
Klingons are also a very common concept: Barbarian/War-like race with some basic honor codes... (mixed in Norse, Japanese and others with a few original ideas) and it's done in space. Again it's not the concept that gives Kilingons their idenity it's the implementation. The concept just gives us a basic associative framework to see them in.
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2005.11.30 15:24:00 -
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what do jove women look like????
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Filan
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Posted - 2005.12.01 00:49:00 -
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Borg are basicly one of the most Evil scifi Evils around imo, they are cold, calculating and do not stop at any cost. closest thing to the borg in games i know are the Zerg from starcraft.
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2005.12.01 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: CB Cyrix
Originally by: Balklanac "Jove-borg, whats the diff??"
Jovians are uglier
*Balklances current ship self-destructs
Yea, just look at TomB, hes an ugly bugger. And his eve pics not any better 
Cy
OUCH......someone is going to get a slap with the nerfbat
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.12.01 01:15:00 -
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the difference is that borg are actually in a game and u can play as them ;pppppp
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Siri Danae
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Posted - 2005.12.01 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Siri Danae on 01/12/2005 01:26:32
Originally by: Meeko Gloom what do jove women look like????
http://www.eve-online.com/races/jove.asp
Quote: By this time the Jovians had begun interfering with their basic instincts, curbing their aggression and sexual instincts and cultivating strange new ones instead.
So in theory they have no need for two genders. The cloning takes care of the reproduction and the weird meddling takes care of... well, everything else.
Since we've never seen an obvious female, I suspect one of the following is true: 1) All Jovians are male 2) All Jovians are female
Most likely the choice was made based on who was in charge of the cloning vats at the time.
I think the next step is to devise tests to find out which is the case. Submit your proposal of what we can do to TomB to discover the Jovian gender.
(edit: character TomB, not dev TomB) ------ I generally assume the following: 1. 95% of Empire Carebears don't get 0.0 PVPers. 2. 95% of 0.0 PVPers don't get Empire Carebears. 3. 100% of Ore Thieves steal just to upset the Miners. |

Janus Ovellian
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Posted - 2005.12.01 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Siri Danae Since we've never seen an obvious female, I suspect one of the following is true: 1) All Jovians are male 2) All Jovians are female
Either that or we're moving into Tleilaxu territory, and the women are the cloning tanks. Hence why we've not seen one.
I'd still be in favour of running tests on TomB to find out though (just to be on the safe side) ... lets start by taking that nerf bat and... <use your imagination>
Anyway, in my opinion, the Jove are closer to the Asgard from Stargate than they are the Borg of Star Trek.
Interesting times await... |

Avon
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Posted - 2005.12.01 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Siri Danae
I think the next step is to devise tests to find out which is the case. Submit your proposal of what we can do to TomB to discover the Jovian gender.
Throw him a ship.
If he nerfs it, he is a bloke. If she nerfs it, he is a bloke playing a girl. ______________________________________________
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Solar Sailor
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Posted - 2005.12.01 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: Kaeljen Dae
Originally by: LeisureSuit Lurkie Joveans are the humans, terrans of earth. They fly with terran ships and have never been cut connection to Earth, like the rest of us.
    
Where did you read that? The Jove are cut off like all other races in EVE from earth, it's just that they were the first to get into space....
/Kael
Actually,if you see the eve intro again,it states that it was the Amarr empire who were the first to re-invent spaceflight...
The Amarr were the first to RE-discover the technology. The Jove never lost it.
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