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Schmata Bastanold
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.24 07:19:00 -
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Hi all,
It is not a question but I think other noobs should read it so I am posting it here.
During last weekend I decided to have some fun and get into pvp in lowsec. Still being under impression of Wensley's rifter guide and after reading blogs from Tuskers I took my rifter for a ride in their neighborhood - Havrice.
To be honest all that talk about how noobs should not leave hisec because behind all gates there are camps and hordes of bloodthirsty a**holes is crap. I arrived without problems through 20+ systems and nobody gave a damn about my little ship. Only once somebody flashing red showed up on my overview and that's all.
So, Havrice was pretty empty so I decided to move to nearest trade hub and that was Dodixie according to my quick google search. Idea was to buy 10 rifters, fit them with various modules and test them in pvp. You can read forums and ask question and ETF all you want but it is all worth nothing until you lock on somebody and just throw a punch. Only that can confirm or deny validity of your fit and skills.
So I bough 10 rifters and a lot of modules (diferent caliber ACs, webbers, scrams, ABs, MSEs, riggs, all toys I though worth trying) and went to look for troubles in lowsec systems nearby.
And you know what? I already lost 5 ships, got podded 4 times but had thrill and fun and don't regret my decision.
I felt into a trap engaging a small alone bait and his friend jumped on me and I was gone in 5 seconds. Few times I had to run through gatecamps and frantically clicked jump button when several ships tried to scram and web me. I chose to fight with a rifter and it just ripped me into shreds (and pilot was nice to answer few questions after that). I attacked somebody sitting on belt and suddenly second ship showed up and I barely escaped in my pod (we exchanged "gf" on local). One ship I lost when I was ratting in belt and just before I put my final blow on some NPC two guys showed up and - once again - I was gone and wake up in clone.
All above maybe does not sound like fun but believe me it was. I don't pay for opportunity to stare at screen while my laser drills into some rock. I want fight, emotions, thrill, guns blazing and lights flashing. Unfortunately I won't have time during a week to play but I will use that time to finally train small projectile turret to level 5 to be able to use t2 cannons and try them next weekend. And probably loose all my ships but damn me if I won't have fun.
Few final words that I would like to pass to all newbies: - do what you want to do and don't let anybody tell you that you can't do it - if you lack skills be patient and train them but don't spend your online time docked and afraid of space - you pay for having fun not more stress - go visit places that others describe as dangerous and hostile, for f**k sake - it is only a GAME, nobody will kill you! - don't be mad at somebody for shooting at you - afterwards just say "good fight" on local or say nothing. sometimes people who blew you up will open conversation with you and give you advice.
Ok, I think that's it for now. |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence. Void Alliance
48
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Posted - 2011.10.24 08:09:00 -
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0.0 can be fun too without security status losses, but with more danger as people will be using warp bubbles to catch you. On the other hand you can use stealth bomber's bombs. Example T1 frigate fun : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10841797
The above mentioned excellent guide: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/wensley/The_Rifter_Guide_Solo_PvP.pdf FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Schmata Bastanold
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.10.24 08:37:00 -
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Louis, thanks for linking to rifter guide, I totally forgot that obvious thing which makes noobs life easier and more exciting :)
Several times I visited 0.0 but I found it empty and boring as hell so I intend to stick with lowsec for now and keep my cloning bath hot red from usage :) |
DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
120
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Posted - 2011.10.24 09:02:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Louis, thanks for linking to rifter guide, I totally forgot that obvious thing which makes noobs life easier and more exciting :)
Several times I visited 0.0 but I found it empty and boring as hell so I intend to stick with lowsec for now and keep my cloning bath hot red from usage :)
If you watch out in lowsec you won't lose your pod. Make sure to start warping out as soon as you see your ships is going down. The pod will warp of immediatly after your ship explodes. (Most of the time )
Fix FW ! |
Schmata Bastanold
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.10.24 09:16:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:If you watch out in lowsec you won't lose your pod. Make sure to start warping out as soon as you see your ships is going down. The pod will warp of immediatly after your ship explodes. (Most of the time )
I know this but in heat of first fights I just started clicking warp button too late. Well, I see it all as a part of learning process - one more thing that you have to make your habit in EVE.
Another thing is that you can read about it and think you understand but when you see how fast your ship is losing shields and armor it is totally shocking experience. I can't imagine how one can learn to recognize the moment your ship is done without taking a few into space and just get blown up.
That's why I think that waiting for skills and that mythical moment "when you are ready" is crap. Nothing substitutes first hand experience. Sooner you come around losing ships better you will be in the long run.
At least that is what it looks like from my total noob point of view. |
Toshiro GreyHawk
18
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:34:00 -
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What the OP said about fighting in Lo Sec is true but ...
The thing is - when people are warning new people about going down to lo sec - it is about going down there to make money - NOT about going down there to fight. I don't believe I have EVER heard ANYONE tell a new person - to stay out of Lo Sec if they were looking for a fight. I mean ... outside of corporate wars, can flipping and suicide ganks ... what fighting is there in Hi Sec?
If you want a fight - Lo Sec and 0.0 are great places to be. If you're running missions, mining or PI - then you really need to know what you're doing - and go down there with the intent to deal with other players who intend to attack you.
For the most part, for most people - if they just want to make money - they are better off in Hi Sec.
For those that want a fight - Lo Sec can be fun.
FW mostly takes place in Lo Sec.
Now - the other thing new players need to be aware of - is that the same rules apply in Lo Sec as apply in Hi Sec when it comes to loss of security status. If you're not at war with someone - and you gank them - you will take a standings hit - this means that if it gets bad enough - you CAN'T come back to Hi Sec unless you work it off.
The major difference between Lo Sec and Hi Sec is that Concord won't blow you up in Lo Sec - but again - you still take the standings hit.
0.0 there is no standings loss for attacking another player.
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Schmata Bastanold
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:53:00 -
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Toshiro, while you are probably right about money making (newbies and probably not only them can make decent isk in hisec) it is my impression that there is too much panic buzz around going outside of hisec.
And what I personally don't like there is a common attitude "oh, don't go there, bad people will hurt you if you do". uuh, me is terrified so much, I better cover my head with blanket and read ghost stories instead...
Because I paid money to see beautiful interiors of CQ and wait until I will be "ready"...
Truth is that sneaking around lowsec is fun. Nobody's in overview but scanner detects a lot of ships. You check their info (cause you are noob, you don't remember what is dangerous yet) and they are pretty nasty. "Will I make it to a gate or will they jump on me?".
Or when you find some lone ship all those thoughts running through your heads: "is he alone?... is it a trap?... do I have a chance?... will I escape if sh*t hits the fan?... omg, omG, oMG, OMG he's locking me!!!".
It is all fun, at least to me. And without those emotions I don't think I would pay my subscription. What would be an incentive to do it?
But of course it is only my point of view and of course somebody else can have his/her own. Thing is that noobs stop themselves from doing things that in fact have no real consequences. You are afraid going into lowsec and meet pirates? Well, what will you do when your car brake in bad neighborhood in real life? |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
158
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Posted - 2011.10.24 14:02:00 -
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My only problem with podding is losing implants worth several hundred millions of ISK. And it's not that skilltraining isn-¦t already extremely sluggish without them .. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
93
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Posted - 2011.10.24 14:08:00 -
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Hello Schmata Bastanold,
The fearless approach you chose seems to pay off already with lots of thrilling battles. I am glad that you enjoy EVE and be assured, with your current style of play you will continue to have more and more fun. The heart beating, the hands sweating and maybe a shout of victory after you scored a victory for the first time. And you can always turn it up a few notches and risk more, flying more expensive ships.
Thank you for your excellent advice to new players: "Do what you want to do and don't let anybody tell you that you can't do it!"
Dare to be bold, pilot. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Schmata Bastanold
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.10.24 14:20:00 -
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Jennifer Starling wrote:My only problem with podding is losing implants worth several hundred millions of ISK. And it's not that skilltraining isn-¦t already extremely sluggish without them ..
well, implants worth gazzillions of ISK is not something newbie starts playing around in first month in space :) even very rich in real life newbie that could throw money on hundreds of PLEXs would have to train quite a few skills to use implants to their fullest. Not that I am very rich or sth :)
CCP Phantom wrote:Dare to be bold, pilot.
I am trying my best, hope it will take me some time to get bored and bitter and emo like some veterans I happen to read in few places. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
735
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Posted - 2011.10.24 14:21:00 -
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Jennifer Starling wrote:My only problem with podding is losing implants worth several hundred millions of ISK. And it's not that skilltraining isn-¦t already extremely sluggish without them ..
Jump clones are the answer here. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
158
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Posted - 2011.10.24 14:29:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jennifer Starling wrote:My only problem with podding is losing implants worth several hundred millions of ISK. And it's not that skilltraining isn-¦t already extremely sluggish without them .. Jump clones are the answer here. Imho the whole implant stuff is one of EVE-¦s worst game mechanics - why have them while you better don-¦t use them for a day every single time you PvP?! |
darmwand
Repo.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 14:41:00 -
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Jennifer Starling wrote:Imho the whole implant stuff is one of EVE-¦s worst game mechanics - why have them while you better don-¦t use them for a day every single time you PvP?!
Just learn how to get your pod out when things get hairy. Most of the time it shouldn't be a problem.
That said, I did lose a full set of +4s the last (and, so far, only) time I got podded. And no, I haven't replaced them all (yet). darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence. Void Alliance
50
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Posted - 2011.10.24 14:44:00 -
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Jennifer Starling wrote:Imho the whole implant stuff is one of EVE-¦s worst game mechanics - why have them while you better don-¦t use them for a day every single time you PvP?!
That's when you're training your alt. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
739
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Posted - 2011.10.24 14:49:00 -
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Jennifer Starling wrote:Malcanis wrote:Jennifer Starling wrote:My only problem with podding is losing implants worth several hundred millions of ISK. And it's not that skilltraining isn-¦t already extremely sluggish without them .. Jump clones are the answer here. Imho the whole implant stuff is one of EVE-¦s worst game mechanics - why have them while you better don-¦t use them for a day every single time you PvP?!
Well the real answer is to learn how to get your pod out, but jump clones are a useful means of limiting your losses.
They also allow you to reduce your liability while not compromising your training rate. If you are reluctant to PvP in your clone which has a +4 learning set, and a rack of +3/+5% hardwirings, worth perhaps 200 or 300 million or even more, then you can easily set up a jump clone that just has a pair of +4s to suit your current skillset (Set up one INT/MEM clone and one PERC/WILL clone), reducing your implant liability to 35M. You can go even further and use a +4 primary/+3 secondary combo; the training penalty here is minimal.
Personally, I ran around in +4s since the LP store was introduced and they dropped to ~20 mill or so, and that was when I was about 3 months in. And most of that time was spent in 0.0. I've probably lost 50 or 60 +4s over the last 5 years, but compared to the value of the ships I've lost, implant loss is a pretty minor overhead to the PvP lifestyle. In the last couple of months, I've stopped training on Malc altogether so now I have the luxury of keeping a couple of implant-free clones to use for PvP.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
11
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Posted - 2011.10.24 15:10:00 -
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I salute your initiative, and i believe topics like yours are need to encourage players not to stay in highsec doing missions and mining waiting for Sp to build up with the hope that greater ships and modules will make the difference.
With that being said, i have a few tips you might find helpfull.
- Watch the local channel: Use it to see if folks in the system are from the same corp or alliance and check their security status. If you see 2+ pilots from the same corps with very bad standings it very likely that they will be trouble. When you engage a target, keep watching local channel. If you a big burst of entries in local, that means that the target is bait and a fleet is coming to get you. If you can, run before they can get to you.
- Use your directional scanner : Whatch for combat probs (If you see them in your scanner get out of there fast), and check the scanner for ships. If you see nothing within range of your scanner other than a potential target, go for that target. While you fight, refresh you scanner. if suddenly an other combat ship appears in your scanner, there is a good chance that this ship is going to be trouble.
Use those two technics and it should avoid you alot of ganking. |
Schmata Bastanold
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.10.24 15:20:00 -
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Aston Bradley wrote: With that being said, i have a few tips you might find helpfull.
- Watch the local channel:.. - Use your directional scanner...
Use those two technics and it should avoid you alot of ganking.
I always keep my eye on local, unfortunately in all cases when I was jumped on by bigger and nastier friend of my initial target it happened too fast for me to react. and still it always was only one ship so no sudden spikes to notice at all.
As for directional scanner yesterday I read some nice guide how to properly use it and one time I scanned guy out. he killed me few moments later but still I consider the fact of finding him just with scanner a great achievement of mine :) I definitely won't get any better with scanning sitting in station and only reading guides. |
Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.24 15:31:00 -
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Awesome - I whole heartedly aprove of you coming to low sec for pew pew. Don't get disheartened - I lost ALOT of frigates before my first kill but there' isnt' a sweeter feeling in all of eve than taking another pilot down with your ship. Flying away with a cargo full of loot, down to 3% structure trailing fire into space is epic beyond words.
Consider finding some like minded mates - if you work together it quickly closes any gap in SP there might be against a opponent.
Have fun petting parrots, guzzeling rum and yarring in space ! |
Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:06:00 -
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Lo-sec doesn't pass risk/benefit analysis.
People sit at gates and pod everyone who passes through. I've had 2 day old pilots on exploration missions podded just because it makes someone else happy.
Attacking other players in lo-sec is not worth the security loss for a newbie, because newbies operate between .7 - 1.0, and just a few points lost can bar their access.
All in all, avoid lo-sec. Either stick to hi-sec or null-sec that your Corp/Alliance owns. |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
11
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:17:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Aston Bradley wrote: With that being said, i have a few tips you might find helpfull.
- Watch the local channel:.. - Use your directional scanner...
Use those two technics and it should avoid you alot of ganking.
I always keep my eye on local, unfortunately in all cases when I was jumped on by bigger and nastier friend of my initial target it happened too fast for me to react. and still it always was only one ship so no sudden spikes to notice at all. As for directional scanner yesterday I read some nice guide how to properly use it and one time I scanned guy out. he killed me few moments later but still I consider the fact of finding him just with scanner a great achievement of mine :) I definitely won't get any better with scanning sitting in station and only reading guides.
Well make sure you don't take a target too close to a gate. If you see ship ratting in a belt right next to a gate, you have little chance to espace an incoming fleet. Use F11 and choose a battle ground that over 15 AU away from any gate. If you choose the spot well, an incoming fleet will take at least 45 sec or more to wrap to you. Which enough time. When it happen, use your MWD and fly away from the bait. Once you get out of point range (13Km+) and warp out to planet.
Finding a ship in your directional scanner is a good start indeed, and learning how to use it will go along way to increase your chances of survival. One thing you do need before you start using the DS is to set up you're overview and match the scanner with your overview settings. You don't want to see planets, stations and asteroids in the scanner, it will make things to confusing. If you set up the overview well, you should only see ships and combat probs.
An other way to use your scanner is by scanning gates. when you are in a populated lowsec system, alway warp safely to scanning range of the gate you need to take. Use the directional scanner at 5 degrees and aim in the gates direction. If you see 5-6 combat ships there and they aren't disappearing after 2-3 minutes, bingo you spotted a gate camp.
The directional scanner is your best friend, do learn how to use it.
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Schmata Bastanold
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:25:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:Lo-sec doesn't pass risk/benefit analysis.
People sit at gates and pod everyone who passes through. I've had 2 day old pilots on exploration missions podded just because it makes someone else happy.
Attacking other players in lo-sec is not worth the security loss for a newbie, because newbies operate between .7 - 1.0, and just a few points lost can bar their access.
All in all, avoid lo-sec. Either stick to hi-sec or null-sec that your Corp/Alliance owns.
Newbies operate in .7-1.0 because all good uncles and aunties tell them they operate there. And on the other hand I constantly stumble upon forum threads where the same old good folks whine about how lowsec is broken and what to do to drive more people into it. Well, maybe just stop telling ghost stories to every noob you can find in the first place?
You can say I know sh*t but I know that first hell will freeze before I let somebody dictate how I should play a game I pay for. If my actions will lead to too much sec status drop and I find myself trapped in lowsec so be it. I'm sure I won't be alone there.
And to be honest all people who blew my ships were cool about it and friendly on convo. So please tell your noobs to stay away from lowsec and lead them into fine art of drilling rocks and killing NPCs but avoid "I know it all" attitude toward rest of us.
As for people sitting at gates - well, I made from Embod to Havrice to Dodixie without being bullied at gates. At least not when I was just passing by and not looking for troubles. So, maybe as in real life - wrong place, wrong time?
But after all, to each his own. I won't tell others what they should do, I just wanted to let other noobs know that there is fun there if one only have a will to leave his/her CQ. |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
11
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:30:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:Lo-sec doesn't pass risk/benefit analysis.
People sit at gates and pod everyone who passes through. I've had 2 day old pilots on exploration missions podded just because it makes someone else happy.
Attacking other players in lo-sec is not worth the security loss for a newbie, because newbies operate between .7 - 1.0, and just a few points lost can bar their access.
All in all, avoid lo-sec. Either stick to hi-sec or null-sec that your Corp/Alliance owns.
While you are correct about the problem of security loss, i do not agree on the fact that it's best to avoid lowsec because of it even for a new player.
If pirating is the path one chooses to follow, then loosing standing is the least of his/her worries.
Highsec is boring as hell, and you won't even scratch fhe surface of the game untill you get the balls to leave it behind.
0.0 is viable option only if you join a corp that lives there. You won't find much action in nullsec as a solo PvPer and if you do it will most likely end-up with you being blobbed by a russian corp.
If solo pvp is the way you choose, lowsec is where you need to be. Loosing Standing is a small price to pay compared to the amount of fun you can get there. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.24 17:00:00 -
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Quote:Newbies operate in .7-1.0 because when they go into lo-sec, they start losing ships, getting podded, and are actively hunted for what meager amounts of ransom money they can spare - which is usually all their earnings from weeks of missions.
FTFY.
Quote:folks whine about how lowsec is broken and what to do to drive more people into it.
People generally only do what they want to do. If you want someone to do something, you have to figure out how to make them want to do it. Hint: Usually people want to do things that are in their best interest to do. What we see here is that lo-sec is not in most players best interest to explore (except for griefers who prey on other players), so they avoid it.
Quote:Well, maybe just stop telling ghost stories to every noob you can find in the first place?
Except for the fact that the stories are true. Maybe you're a pirate who preys on newbies, which would explain your interest in lying to new players about how "fun" and "safe" lo-sec actually is...
Quote:You can say I know sh*t but I know that first hell will freeze before I let somebody dictate how I should play a game I pay for.
No need to be so defensive.
Quote:If my actions will lead to too much sec status drop and I find myself trapped in lowsec so be it. I'm sure I won't be alone there.
You won't be alone: 15% of EVE players can be found spread across the low-sec systems at any given time, preying on eachother like hungry cannibals. |
Schmata Bastanold
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2011.10.24 17:16:00 -
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@Justin
This is my main and only toon and to be honest I wish I could be a pirate preying on innocent noobs :)
But of course we are talking about EVE where everybody wants to get you and kill you and probably **** your dog and steal your tv too. Because when you wake up in your clone and your iskies are gone it is end of the world...
And people say I take silly things too seriously...
Everybody can believe what they want. I have first hand experience that lowsec is not so scary as you try to advertise it. it is not safe it is exciting. And now I begin to wonder what interest you might have in keeping noobs in hisec? :) |
Aston Bradley
Through the Looking Glass
11
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Posted - 2011.10.24 17:22:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:
Except for the fact that the stories are true. Maybe you're a pirate who preys on newbies, which would explain your interest in lying to new players about how "fun" and "safe" lo-sec actually is...
Ah true, lowsec is definity not safe at all .
But in all honesty, if you are planning on starting to live there, better start with cheap t1 frigates than a battlecruiser with t2 modules.
Sure the risks of loosing your ship are very high, but loosing a cheap frigate is no big deal, and it's better to learn the ropes with such ships. So why wait wait when you can already fly them?
As for how fun it is. Matter of perspective friend. I like lowsec and i honestly don't mind loosing a ship there, but i am not going to pretend it's for everyone, as you shouldn't pretend that someone can't actually enjoy the fact that each time you looser a ship, it's a learning experience you won't get by keeping your ass in the safety of highsec. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
108
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Posted - 2011.10.24 17:33:00 -
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i would love to see a better scale in low sec
right now there is really no difference between a system with 0.4 sec than a system with 0.1 sec
it would be cool if the system's owning faction did deploy faction ships to deal with piracy in low sec but unlike concord in high sec... the faction police CAN be killed by players (but of course the pirate that kills them will take a sec hit per dead npc police he/she kills)
for example:
A pirate attacks a hauler in 0.4 sec..... after 10 seconds the 4x faction police turn up (2x bs 2x cruiser) to help defend the hauler pilot and start attacking the pirates.... if the pirates kill off the police while still tackling the hauler through out the fight they can go n kill the hauler. The pirates can still kill the hauler while fighting the police too though.
A pirate attacks a hauler in 0.3 sec..... after 15 seconds the 4x faction police turn up (2x bc 2x cruiser) to help defend the hauler pilot and start attacking the pirates.... if the pirates kill off the police while still tackling the hauler through out the fight they can go n kill the hauler. The pirates can still kill the hauler while fighting the police too though.
A pirate attacks a hauler in 0.2 sec..... after 20 seconds the 4x faction police turn up (1x bs 2x cruiser 1x frig) to help defend the hauler pilot and start attacking the pirates.... if the pirates kill off the police while still tackling the hauler through out the fight they can go n kill the hauler. The pirates can still kill the hauler while fighting the police too though.
A pirate attacks a hauler in 0.1 sec..... after 25 seconds the 4x faction police turn up (1x bc 2x cruiser 1x frig) to help defend the hauler pilot and start attacking the pirates.... if the pirates kill off the police while still tackling the hauler through out the fight they can go n kill the hauler or if they manage to kill the hauler before the police arrive.
The faction police would warp scram and web too
Also open up moon mining in 0.4 sec systems too. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.24 17:51:00 -
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Quote:And people say I take silly things too seriously
Well you sure seem to take forum arguments pretty seriously. |
Schmata Bastanold
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:47:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:Quote:And people say I take silly things too seriously Well you sure seem to take forum arguments pretty seriously.
like pushing buttons, don't we? :)
I always thought forums are for discussions so I dare to discuss but it seems that I am wrong on this too. well, I can agree to disagree with you, don't care especially that a lot of people seem to backup my point of view. but of course we all are just conspiring against you and yours.
I like my ships being blown up in lowsec, you like nice and warm hisec, everybody's happy. of course until some noob gets confused on his route between hisec mission points and finds himself in lowsec where few guys will flash red on him. and there will be shock and tears and ragequit instead of "gf" and going on with their business in another ship. all because he lost his pvp virginity along with much more expensive ship than my rifter.
wow, I got pretty serious on this one, time to pour acid on my face to help me put problems in EVE in more light perspective. |
Justin Credulent
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:03:00 -
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Quote:I got pretty serious on this one
Clearly you're very invested in what I think, and you're upset because I don't think the way you do.
Thanks for the tears. I needed some more sodium in my diet. |
Schmata Bastanold
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:14:00 -
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Justin Credulent wrote:Quote:I got pretty serious on this one Clearly you're very invested in what I think, and you're upset because I don't think the way you do. Thanks for the tears. I needed some more sodium in my diet.
how dare you milking me for tears?
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