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Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2011.10.24 07:19:00 - [1] - Quote Hi all, It is not a question but I think other noobs should read it so I am posting it here. During last weekend I decided to have some fun and get into pvp in lowsec. Still being under impression of Wensley's rifter guide and after reading blogs from Tuskers I took my rifter for a ride in their neighborhood - Havrice. To be honest all that talk about how noobs should not leave hisec because behind all gates there are camps and hordes of bloodthirsty aholes is crap. I arrived without problems through 20+ systems and nobody gave a damn about my little ship. Only once somebody flashing red showed up on my overview and that's all. So, Havrice was pretty empty so I decided to move to nearest trade hub and that was Dodixie according to my quick google search. Idea was to buy 10 rifters, fit them with various modules and test them in pvp. You can read forums and ask question and ETF all you want but it is all worth nothing until you lock on somebody and just throw a punch. Only that can confirm or deny validity of your fit and skills. So I bough 10 rifters and a lot of modules (diferent caliber ACs, webbers, scrams, ABs, MSEs, riggs, all toys I though worth trying) and went to look for troubles in lowsec systems nearby. And you know what? I already lost 5 ships, got podded 4 times but had thrill and fun and don't regret my decision. I felt into a trap engaging a small alone bait and his friend jumped on me and I was gone in 5 seconds. Few times I had to run through gatecamps and frantically clicked jump button when several ships tried to scram and web me. I chose to fight with a rifter and it just ripped me into shreds (and pilot was nice to answer few questions after that). I attacked somebody sitting on belt and suddenly second ship showed up and I barely escaped in my pod (we exchanged "gf" on local). One ship I lost when I was ratting in belt and just before I put my final blow on some NPC two guys showed up and - once again - I was gone and wake up in clone. All above maybe does not sound like fun but believe me it was. I don't pay for opportunity to stare at screen while my laser drills into some rock. I want fight, emotions, thrill, guns blazing and lights flashing. Unfortunately I won't have time during a week to play but I will use that time to finally train small projectile turret to level 5 to be able to use t2 cannons and try them next weekend. And probably loose all my ships but damn me if I won't have fun. Few final words that I would like to pass to all newbies: - do what you want to do and don't let anybody tell you that you can't do it - if you lack skills be patient and train them but don't spend your online time docked and afraid of space - you pay for having fun not more stress - go visit places that others describe as dangerous and hostile, for fk sake - it is only a GAME, nobody will kill you! - don't be mad at somebody for shooting at you - afterwards just say "good fight" on local or say nothing. sometimes people who blew you up will open conversation with you and give you advice. Ok, I think that's it for now.
Louis deGuerre Malevolence. Void Alliance 48	Posted - 2011.10.24 08:09:00 - [2] - Quote 0.0 can be fun too without security status losses, but with more danger as people will be using warp bubbles to catch you. On the other hand you can use stealth bomber's bombs. Example T1 frigate fun : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10841797 The above mentioned excellent guide: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/wensley/The_Rifter_Guide_Solo_PvP.pdf FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES !
Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2011.10.24 08:37:00 - [3] - Quote Louis, thanks for linking to rifter guide, I totally forgot that obvious thing which makes noobs life easier and more exciting :) Several times I visited 0.0 but I found it empty and boring as hell so I intend to stick with lowsec for now and keep my cloning bath hot red from usage :)
DeBingJos T.R.I.A.D 120	Posted - 2011.10.24 09:02:00 - [4] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Louis, thanks for linking to rifter guide, I totally forgot that obvious thing which makes noobs life easier and more exciting :) Several times I visited 0.0 but I found it empty and boring as hell so I intend to stick with lowsec for now and keep my cloning bath hot red from usage :) If you watch out in lowsec you won't lose your pod. Make sure to start warping out as soon as you see your ships is going down. The pod will warp of immediatly after your ship explodes. (Most of the time ) Fix FW !
Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2011.10.24 09:16:00 - [5] - Quote DeBingJos wrote: If you watch out in lowsec you won't lose your pod. Make sure to start warping out as soon as you see your ships is going down. The pod will warp of immediatly after your ship explodes. (Most of the time ) I know this but in heat of first fights I just started clicking warp button too late. Well, I see it all as a part of learning process - one more thing that you have to make your habit in EVE. Another thing is that you can read about it and think you understand but when you see how fast your ship is losing shields and armor it is totally shocking experience. I can't imagine how one can learn to recognize the moment your ship is done without taking a few into space and just get blown up. That's why I think that waiting for skills and that mythical moment "when you are ready" is crap. Nothing substitutes first hand experience. Sooner you come around losing ships better you will be in the long run. At least that is what it looks like from my total noob point of view.
Toshiro GreyHawk 18	Posted - 2011.10.24 13:34:00 - [6] - Quote What the OP said about fighting in Lo Sec is true but ... The thing is - when people are warning new people about going down to lo sec - it is about going down there to make money - NOT about going down there to fight. I don't believe I have EVER heard ANYONE tell a new person - to stay out of Lo Sec if they were looking for a fight. I mean ... outside of corporate wars, can flipping and suicide ganks ... what fighting is there in Hi Sec? If you want a fight - Lo Sec and 0.0 are great places to be. If you're running missions, mining or PI - then you really need to know what you're doing - and go down there with the intent to deal with other players who intend to attack you. For the most part, for most people - if they just want to make money - they are better off in Hi Sec. For those that want a fight - Lo Sec can be fun. FW mostly takes place in Lo Sec. Now - the other thing new players need to be aware of - is that the same rules apply in Lo Sec as apply in Hi Sec when it comes to loss of security status. If you're not at war with someone - and you gank them - you will take a standings hit - this means that if it gets bad enough - you CAN'T come back to Hi Sec unless you work it off. The major difference between Lo Sec and Hi Sec is that Concord won't blow you up in Lo Sec - but again - you still take the standings hit. 0.0 there is no standings loss for attacking another player. .
Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2011.10.24 13:53:00 - [7] - Quote Toshiro, while you are probably right about money making (newbies and probably not only them can make decent isk in hisec) it is my impression that there is too much panic buzz around going outside of hisec. And what I personally don't like there is a common attitude "oh, don't go there, bad people will hurt you if you do". uuh, me is terrified so much, I better cover my head with blanket and read ghost stories instead... Because I paid money to see beautiful interiors of CQ and wait until I will be "ready"... Truth is that sneaking around lowsec is fun. Nobody's in overview but scanner detects a lot of ships. You check their info (cause you are noob, you don't remember what is dangerous yet) and they are pretty nasty. "Will I make it to a gate or will they jump on me?". Or when you find some lone ship all those thoughts running through your heads: "is he alone?... is it a trap?... do I have a chance?... will I escape if sh*t hits the fan?... omg, omG, oMG, OMG he's locking me!!!". It is all fun, at least to me. And without those emotions I don't think I would pay my subscription. What would be an incentive to do it? But of course it is only my point of view and of course somebody else can have his/her own. Thing is that noobs stop themselves from doing things that in fact have no real consequences. You are afraid going into lowsec and meet pirates? Well, what will you do when your car brake in bad neighborhood in real life?
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol 158	Posted - 2011.10.24 14:02:00 - [8] - Quote My only problem with podding is losing implants worth several hundred millions of ISK. And it's not that skilltraining isn-¦t already extremely sluggish without them ..

CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 93	Posted - 2011.10.24 14:08:00 - [9] - Quote Hello Schmata Bastanold, The fearless approach you chose seems to pay off already with lots of thrilling battles. I am glad that you enjoy EVE and be assured, with your current style of play you will continue to have more and more fun. The heart beating, the hands sweating and maybe a shout of victory after you scored a victory for the first time. And you can always turn it up a few notches and risk more, flying more expensive ships. Thank you for your excellent advice to new players: "Do what you want to do and don't let anybody tell you that you can't do it!" Dare to be bold, pilot. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator

Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2011.10.24 14:20:00 - [10] - Quote Jennifer Starling wrote: My only problem with podding is losing implants worth several hundred millions of ISK. And it's not that skilltraining isn-¦t already extremely sluggish without them .. well, implants worth gazzillions of ISK is not something newbie starts playing around in first month in space :) even very rich in real life newbie that could throw money on hundreds of PLEXs would have to train quite a few skills to use implants to their fullest. Not that I am very rich or sth :) CCP Phantom wrote: Dare to be bold, pilot. I am trying my best, hope it will take me some time to get bored and bitter and emo like some veterans I happen to read in few places.

Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 735	Posted - 2011.10.24 14:21:00 - [11] - Quote Jennifer Starling wrote: My only problem with podding is losing implants worth several hundred millions of ISK. And it's not that skilltraining isn-¦t already extremely sluggish without them .. Jump clones are the answer here. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol 158	Posted - 2011.10.24 14:29:00 - [12] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Jennifer Starling wrote: My only problem with podding is losing implants worth several hundred millions of ISK. And it's not that skilltraining isn-¦t already extremely sluggish without them .. Jump clones are the answer here. Imho the whole implant stuff is one of EVE-¦s worst game mechanics - why have them while you better don-¦t use them for a day every single time you PvP?!
darmwand Repo. 2	Posted - 2011.10.24 14:41:00 - [13] - Quote Jennifer Starling wrote: Imho the whole implant stuff is one of EVE-¦s worst game mechanics - why have them while you better don-¦t use them for a day every single time you PvP?! Just learn how to get your pod out when things get hairy. Most of the time it shouldn't be a problem. That said, I did lose a full set of +4s the last (and, so far, only) time I got podded. And no, I haven't replaced them all (yet). darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN
Louis deGuerre Malevolence. Void Alliance 50	Posted - 2011.10.24 14:44:00 - [14] - Quote Jennifer Starling wrote: Imho the whole implant stuff is one of EVE-¦s worst game mechanics - why have them while you better don-¦t use them for a day every single time you PvP?! That's when you're training your alt. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES !
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 739	Posted - 2011.10.24 14:49:00 - [15] - Quote Jennifer Starling wrote: Malcanis wrote: Jennifer Starling wrote: My only problem with podding is losing implants worth several hundred millions of ISK. And it's not that skilltraining isn-¦t already extremely sluggish without them .. Jump clones are the answer here. Imho the whole implant stuff is one of EVE-¦s worst game mechanics - why have them while you better don-¦t use them for a day every single time you PvP?! Well the real answer is to learn how to get your pod out, but jump clones are a useful means of limiting your losses. They also allow you to reduce your liability while not compromising your training rate. If you are reluctant to PvP in your clone which has a +4 learning set, and a rack of +3/+5% hardwirings, worth perhaps 200 or 300 million or even more, then you can easily set up a jump clone that just has a pair of +4s to suit your current skillset (Set up one INT/MEM clone and one PERC/WILL clone), reducing your implant liability to 35M. You can go even further and use a +4 primary/+3 secondary combo; the training penalty here is minimal. Personally, I ran around in +4s since the LP store was introduced and they dropped to ~20 mill or so, and that was when I was about 3 months in. And most of that time was spent in 0.0. I've probably lost 50 or 60 +4s over the last 5 years, but compared to the value of the ships I've lost, implant loss is a pretty minor overhead to the PvP lifestyle. In the last couple of months, I've stopped training on Malc altogether so now I have the luxury of keeping a couple of implant-free clones to use for PvP. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Aston Bradley Through the Looking Glass 11	Posted - 2011.10.24 15:10:00 - [16] - Quote I salute your initiative, and i believe topics like yours are need to encourage players not to stay in highsec doing missions and mining waiting for Sp to build up with the hope that greater ships and modules will make the difference. With that being said, i have a few tips you might find helpfull. - Watch the local channel: Use it to see if folks in the system are from the same corp or alliance and check their security status. If you see 2+ pilots from the same corps with very bad standings it very likely that they will be trouble. When you engage a target, keep watching local channel. If you a big burst of entries in local, that means that the target is bait and a fleet is coming to get you. If you can, run before they can get to you. - Use your directional scanner : Whatch for combat probs (If you see them in your scanner get out of there fast), and check the scanner for ships. If you see nothing within range of your scanner other than a potential target, go for that target. While you fight, refresh you scanner. if suddenly an other combat ship appears in your scanner, there is a good chance that this ship is going to be trouble. Use those two technics and it should avoid you alot of ganking.
Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2011.10.24 15:20:00 - [17] - Quote Aston Bradley wrote: With that being said, i have a few tips you might find helpfull. - Watch the local channel:.. - Use your directional scanner... Use those two technics and it should avoid you alot of ganking. I always keep my eye on local, unfortunately in all cases when I was jumped on by bigger and nastier friend of my initial target it happened too fast for me to react. and still it always was only one ship so no sudden spikes to notice at all. As for directional scanner yesterday I read some nice guide how to properly use it and one time I scanned guy out. he killed me few moments later but still I consider the fact of finding him just with scanner a great achievement of mine :) I definitely won't get any better with scanning sitting in station and only reading guides.
Zoe Alarhun The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation 35	Posted - 2011.10.24 15:31:00 - [18] - Quote Awesome - I whole heartedly aprove of you coming to low sec for pew pew. Don't get disheartened - I lost ALOT of frigates before my first kill but there' isnt' a sweeter feeling in all of eve than taking another pilot down with your ship. Flying away with a cargo full of loot, down to 3% structure trailing fire into space is epic beyond words. Consider finding some like minded mates - if you work together it quickly closes any gap in SP there might be against a opponent. Have fun petting parrots, guzzeling rum and yarring in space !
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:06:00 - [19] - Quote Lo-sec doesn't pass risk/benefit analysis. People sit at gates and pod everyone who passes through. I've had 2 day old pilots on exploration missions podded just because it makes someone else happy. Attacking other players in lo-sec is not worth the security loss for a newbie, because newbies operate between .7 - 1.0, and just a few points lost can bar their access. All in all, avoid lo-sec. Either stick to hi-sec or null-sec that your Corp/Alliance owns.
Aston Bradley Through the Looking Glass 11	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:17:00 - [20] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Aston Bradley wrote: With that being said, i have a few tips you might find helpfull. - Watch the local channel:.. - Use your directional scanner... Use those two technics and it should avoid you alot of ganking. I always keep my eye on local, unfortunately in all cases when I was jumped on by bigger and nastier friend of my initial target it happened too fast for me to react. and still it always was only one ship so no sudden spikes to notice at all. As for directional scanner yesterday I read some nice guide how to properly use it and one time I scanned guy out. he killed me few moments later but still I consider the fact of finding him just with scanner a great achievement of mine :) I definitely won't get any better with scanning sitting in station and only reading guides. Well make sure you don't take a target too close to a gate. If you see ship ratting in a belt right next to a gate, you have little chance to espace an incoming fleet. Use F11 and choose a battle ground that over 15 AU away from any gate. If you choose the spot well, an incoming fleet will take at least 45 sec or more to wrap to you. Which enough time. When it happen, use your MWD and fly away from the bait. Once you get out of point range (13Km+) and warp out to planet. Finding a ship in your directional scanner is a good start indeed, and learning how to use it will go along way to increase your chances of survival. One thing you do need before you start using the DS is to set up you're overview and match the scanner with your overview settings. You don't want to see planets, stations and asteroids in the scanner, it will make things to confusing. If you set up the overview well, you should only see ships and combat probs. An other way to use your scanner is by scanning gates. when you are in a populated lowsec system, alway warp safely to scanning range of the gate you need to take. Use the directional scanner at 5 degrees and aim in the gates direction. If you see 5-6 combat ships there and they aren't disappearing after 2-3 minutes, bingo you spotted a gate camp. The directional scanner is your best friend, do learn how to use it.

Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:25:00 - [21] - Quote Justin Credulent wrote: Lo-sec doesn't pass risk/benefit analysis. People sit at gates and pod everyone who passes through. I've had 2 day old pilots on exploration missions podded just because it makes someone else happy. Attacking other players in lo-sec is not worth the security loss for a newbie, because newbies operate between .7 - 1.0, and just a few points lost can bar their access. All in all, avoid lo-sec. Either stick to hi-sec or null-sec that your Corp/Alliance owns. Newbies operate in .7-1.0 because all good uncles and aunties tell them they operate there. And on the other hand I constantly stumble upon forum threads where the same old good folks whine about how lowsec is broken and what to do to drive more people into it. Well, maybe just stop telling ghost stories to every noob you can find in the first place? You can say I know sh*t but I know that first hell will freeze before I let somebody dictate how I should play a game I pay for. If my actions will lead to too much sec status drop and I find myself trapped in lowsec so be it. I'm sure I won't be alone there. And to be honest all people who blew my ships were cool about it and friendly on convo. So please tell your noobs to stay away from lowsec and lead them into fine art of drilling rocks and killing NPCs but avoid "I know it all" attitude toward rest of us. As for people sitting at gates - well, I made from Embod to Havrice to Dodixie without being bullied at gates. At least not when I was just passing by and not looking for troubles. So, maybe as in real life - wrong place, wrong time? But after all, to each his own. I won't tell others what they should do, I just wanted to let other noobs know that there is fun there if one only have a will to leave his/her CQ.
Aston Bradley Through the Looking Glass 11	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:30:00 - [22] - Quote Justin Credulent wrote: Lo-sec doesn't pass risk/benefit analysis. People sit at gates and pod everyone who passes through. I've had 2 day old pilots on exploration missions podded just because it makes someone else happy. Attacking other players in lo-sec is not worth the security loss for a newbie, because newbies operate between .7 - 1.0, and just a few points lost can bar their access. All in all, avoid lo-sec. Either stick to hi-sec or null-sec that your Corp/Alliance owns. While you are correct about the problem of security loss, i do not agree on the fact that it's best to avoid lowsec because of it even for a new player. If pirating is the path one chooses to follow, then loosing standing is the least of his/her worries. Highsec is boring as hell, and you won't even scratch fhe surface of the game untill you get the balls to leave it behind. 0.0 is viable option only if you join a corp that lives there. You won't find much action in nullsec as a solo PvPer and if you do it will most likely end-up with you being blobbed by a russian corp. If solo pvp is the way you choose, lowsec is where you need to be. Loosing Standing is a small price to pay compared to the amount of fun you can get there.
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:00:00 - [23] - Quote Quote: Newbies operate in .7-1.0 because when they go into lo-sec, they start losing ships, getting podded, and are actively hunted for what meager amounts of ransom money they can spare - which is usually all their earnings from weeks of missions. FTFY. Quote: folks whine about how lowsec is broken and what to do to drive more people into it. People generally only do what they want to do. If you want someone to do something, you have to figure out how to make them want to do it. Hint: Usually people want to do things that are in their best interest to do. What we see here is that lo-sec is not in most players best interest to explore (except for griefers who prey on other players), so they avoid it. Quote: Well, maybe just stop telling ghost stories to every noob you can find in the first place? Except for the fact that the stories are true. Maybe you're a pirate who preys on newbies, which would explain your interest in lying to new players about how "fun" and "safe" lo-sec actually is... Quote: You can say I know sht but I know that first hell will freeze before I let somebody dictate how I should play a game I pay for. No need to be so defensive. Quote:* If my actions will lead to too much sec status drop and I find myself trapped in lowsec so be it. I'm sure I won't be alone there. You won't be alone: 15% of EVE players can be found spread across the low-sec systems at any given time, preying on eachother like hungry cannibals.
Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:16:00 - [24] - Quote @Justin This is my main and only toon and to be honest I wish I could be a pirate preying on innocent noobs :) But of course we are talking about EVE where everybody wants to get you and kill you and probably **** your dog and steal your tv too. Because when you wake up in your clone and your iskies are gone it is end of the world... And people say I take silly things too seriously... Everybody can believe what they want. I have first hand experience that lowsec is not so scary as you try to advertise it. it is not safe it is exciting. And now I begin to wonder what interest you might have in keeping noobs in hisec? :)
Aston Bradley Through the Looking Glass 11	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:22:00 - [25] - Quote Justin Credulent wrote: Except for the fact that the stories are true. Maybe you're a pirate who preys on newbies, which would explain your interest in lying to new players about how "fun" and "safe" lo-sec actually is... Ah true, lowsec is definity not safe at all . But in all honesty, if you are planning on starting to live there, better start with cheap t1 frigates than a battlecruiser with t2 modules. Sure the risks of loosing your ship are very high, but loosing a cheap frigate is no big deal, and it's better to learn the ropes with such ships. So why wait wait when you can already fly them? As for how fun it is. Matter of perspective friend. I like lowsec and i honestly don't mind loosing a ship there, but i am not going to pretend it's for everyone, as you shouldn't pretend that someone can't actually enjoy the fact that each time you looser a ship, it's a learning experience you won't get by keeping your ass in the safety of highsec.
David Grogan The Motley Crew Reborn 108	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:33:00 - [26] - Quote i would love to see a better scale in low sec right now there is really no difference between a system with 0.4 sec than a system with 0.1 sec it would be cool if the system's owning faction did deploy faction ships to deal with piracy in low sec but unlike concord in high sec... the faction police CAN be killed by players (but of course the pirate that kills them will take a sec hit per dead npc police he/she kills) for example: A pirate attacks a hauler in 0.4 sec..... after 10 seconds the 4x faction police turn up (2x bs 2x cruiser) to help defend the hauler pilot and start attacking the pirates.... if the pirates kill off the police while still tackling the hauler through out the fight they can go n kill the hauler. The pirates can still kill the hauler while fighting the police too though. A pirate attacks a hauler in 0.3 sec..... after 15 seconds the 4x faction police turn up (2x bc 2x cruiser) to help defend the hauler pilot and start attacking the pirates.... if the pirates kill off the police while still tackling the hauler through out the fight they can go n kill the hauler. The pirates can still kill the hauler while fighting the police too though. A pirate attacks a hauler in 0.2 sec..... after 20 seconds the 4x faction police turn up (1x bs 2x cruiser 1x frig) to help defend the hauler pilot and start attacking the pirates.... if the pirates kill off the police while still tackling the hauler through out the fight they can go n kill the hauler. The pirates can still kill the hauler while fighting the police too though. A pirate attacks a hauler in 0.1 sec..... after 25 seconds the 4x faction police turn up (1x bc 2x cruiser 1x frig) to help defend the hauler pilot and start attacking the pirates.... if the pirates kill off the police while still tackling the hauler through out the fight they can go n kill the hauler or if they manage to kill the hauler before the police arrive. The faction police would warp scram and web too Also open up moon mining in 0.4 sec systems too. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:51:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: And people say I take silly things too seriously Well you sure seem to take forum arguments pretty seriously.
Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2011.10.24 18:47:00 - [28] - Quote Justin Credulent wrote: Quote: And people say I take silly things too seriously Well you sure seem to take forum arguments pretty seriously. like pushing buttons, don't we? :) I always thought forums are for discussions so I dare to discuss but it seems that I am wrong on this too. well, I can agree to disagree with you, don't care especially that a lot of people seem to backup my point of view. but of course we all are just conspiring against you and yours. I like my ships being blown up in lowsec, you like nice and warm hisec, everybody's happy. of course until some noob gets confused on his route between hisec mission points and finds himself in lowsec where few guys will flash red on him. and there will be shock and tears and ragequit instead of "gf" and going on with their business in another ship. all because he lost his pvp virginity along with much more expensive ship than my rifter. wow, I got pretty serious on this one, time to pour acid on my face to help me put problems in EVE in more light perspective.
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.10.24 19:03:00 - [29] - Quote Quote: I got pretty serious on this one Clearly you're very invested in what I think, and you're upset because I don't think the way you do. Thanks for the tears. I needed some more sodium in my diet.
Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2011.10.24 19:14:00 - [30] - Quote Justin Credulent wrote: Quote: I got pretty serious on this one Clearly you're very invested in what I think, and you're upset because I don't think the way you do. Thanks for the tears. I needed some more sodium in my diet. how dare you milking me for tears?

DeliciousHamBeast The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance 133	Posted - 2011.10.24 19:16:00 - [31] - Quote Justin Credulent wrote: ... Thanks for the tears. I needed some more sodium in my diet. Lowsex is most certainly worth the risk, I've lived out there for months, and I'm making a pretty steady profit. Low is exciting, risky and most of all fun - plus there's a startling amount of very friendly and polite people out there (even when they're on fire). For the purposes of full disclosure, I'm not even a pirate and I love it out here. FYI this whole "Mmmm your tears sustain me" crap makes you sound like a child - not a badass. Come up with something original. -- Beep Beep Imma Jeep.
Aida Nu Nu Industries 0	Posted - 2011.10.25 11:56:00 - [32] - Quote I agree with OP. Im a 2 week old character. Yesterday I put a scrambler on my Kestrel and off I went to lowsec. I roamed for about 1 hour. Visited 20+ lowsec systems. It felt so exciting jumping into a new system and start scanning for potential targets. After a while I found a potential target that I thought I might be able to beat so I scanned him down and started warping to his location. My adrenaline was through the roof!!! Ive never had this feeling in ANY game before. Sadly the guy got away before i got a chance to lock him :( Luck was not smiling on me yesterday and I didnt manage to find anyone that I could take on. But tonight im going out out again! Also people are so afraid that the second they jump in to lowsec they are going to die. NOT TRUE. I visited so many lowsec systems in Caldari space yesterday and I got out alive. Dont be afraid of loosing a ship. Buy a cheap frigate, fit it cheaply and go out and have fun! I cant wait for my first kill! PS, if there are any new players that would like to gang up and roam around and look for trouble contact me ingame :)
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.10.25 12:35:00 - [33] - Quote Quote: FYI this whole "Mmmm your tears sustain me" crap makes you sound like a child - not a badass. Come up with something original. You sound bitter. Did someone blow you up and say something similar when you whined about it? Awe. :(
Zoe Alarhun The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation 37	Posted - 2011.10.26 14:05:00 - [34] - Quote Good on you lads - more explosions and more pew pew is awesome.
Cerisia Lone Star enterprises 248	Posted - 2011.10.26 15:35:00 - [35] - Quote Justin Credulent wrote: Quote: FYI this whole "Mmmm your tears sustain me" crap makes you sound like a child - not a badass. Come up with something original. You sound bitter. Did someone blow you up and say something similar when you whined about it? Awe. :( Confirming that your posts make you sound like you're about 12 Justin Lo-sec isn't everybodys cup of tea but there is definitely excitement to be found down there. Kudos to the OP for taking the plunge and I think that you will fit into the game very well. Free Lyris Nairn, goodposter extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar.
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.10.26 16:01:00 - [36] - Quote ^Got blown up. Bitter over smack.
Cerisia Lone Star enterprises 248	Posted - 2011.10.26 17:34:00 - [37] - Quote Justin Credulent wrote: ^Got blown up. Bitter over smack. Yeah sorry - my mistake, I meant to say 5 - 6ish 1/10 poor troll is poor. Free Lyris Nairn, goodposter extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar.
Blood Fart Republic University Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2011.10.26 19:12:00 - [38] - Quote EvE starts at .4 Anything over that is for the brain dead and people who think there is nothing to be gained by loosing....
Jaxemont Look At This Amazing Bullet 0	Posted - 2011.10.26 20:43:00 - [39] - Quote Toshiro GreyHawk wrote: The thing is - when people are warning new people about going down to lo sec - it is about going down there to make money - NOT about going down there to fight. I made my first Billion Isk in lowsec, so I would argue that a little. I started out grinding missions. By the time I unlocked lvl4 missions, I got so bored that I decided to do something else. I fitted up a 1m isk rifter, and went to lowsec. There I heard of 1/10 DED sites (Serpentis Drug Outlets) and decided to run those. From that, I made more money than I could running missions with the little SP I had. (And little time I had. During a few months, I could only log on for 1 hour at the end of the day, but I managed to average 20-40m isk/hr in that time spent online. I had a few lucky drops too. Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer - 285m ISK ) During that time I was training up my skills, getting a T2 fit for my rifter, and learning about D-Scan and the lay of the land. I got into quite a few rifter duels and managed to pull off some victories. I had a blast, along with the proverbial adrenaline/shaking hands. I still only have Min Frig 4, and mediocre gunnery support skills (lvl3s mostly). Contracting the loot actually got me interested in trading, and that's what I'm doing now. I ran into a bad rut with drops a few months ago, everyone was running those sites, and the only ships I could find to fight were AFs and Dramiels. So I do other things now. Caveat: If you're new and thinking of doing this, be careful. Sometimes "leet pvpers" camp those DED sites in Ishkurs/Dramiels, so make sure to scan those sites first before warping to 0 at them. TL;DR: New players - there is a way to make ISK in lowsec as well, and it could even be better isk/hr than running missions if you have very low SP. You only need knowledge, willingness to learn, and willingness to take a few losses here and there.
Anshio Tamark Avitus Lugus 17	Posted - 2011.10.27 11:53:00 - [40] - Quote Low-sec isn't worth the increased amount of risk taken. I've recently moved to low-sec, but I have yet to see any actual increase in income from being there.

Zoe Alarhun The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation 42	Posted - 2011.10.27 12:16:00 - [41] - Quote I moved to low sec recenltly too. Less time invested for similiar or greater profits. Seems good to me.
Jaxemont Look At This Amazing Bullet 1	Posted - 2011.10.27 14:19:00 - [42] - Quote Anshio Tamark wrote: Low-sec isn't worth the increased amount of risk taken. I've recently moved to low-sec, but I have yet to see any actual increase in income from being there. Could you be a bit more specific in how you're trying to make money in lowsec? Lowsec isn't a good place to make money off rat bounties. Ratting and missioning aren't worth the risk, I'll admit that. Stick to highsec missions if that's how you like to make money. (Ratting is best done in 0.0 anyways). Lowsec PI can make some decent money, if you know what you're doing. I know somebody who can make over a billion per month in PI. (Though that could be with an alt.) Still, 500m per month for mostly passive income can't be too bad. Exploration in lowsec isn't too bad either. Though you have to go out of your way to places no one is likely to go. If you expect to get a bunch of sites near a hub, you're probably out of luck.
Zoe Alarhun The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation 42	Posted - 2011.10.28 10:30:00 - [43] - Quote Exploration in low sec is fantastic (more sites as most people are afraid of going into low). Faction warfare missions. Planetery interaction. Salvaging (T2 ships wrecks from PvP combat - intact stuff sells for alot). Ganking haulers. Ransoms Lots of good sources of income.
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.10.28 12:47:00 - [44] - Quote Quote: Yeah sorry - my mistake, I meant to say 5 - 6ishRoll 1/10 poor troll is poor. Don't try so hard - you actually look like you're overcompensating now.
Cerisia Lone Star enterprises 250	Posted - 2011.10.28 22:57:00 - [45] - Quote Justin Credulent wrote: Quote: Yeah sorry - my mistake, I meant to say 5 - 6ishRoll 1/10 poor troll is poor. Don't try so hard - you actually look like you're overcompensating now. Um yeah....... Free Lyris Nairn, goodposter extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar.
Onictus Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge 3	Posted - 2011.10.29 12:42:00 - [46] - Quote Jennifer Starling wrote: Malcanis wrote: Jennifer Starling wrote: My only problem with podding is losing implants worth several hundred millions of ISK. And it's not that skilltraining isn-¦t already extremely sluggish without them .. Jump clones are the answer here. Imho the whole implant stuff is one of EVE-¦s worst game mechanics - why have them while you better don-¦t use them for a day every single time you PvP?! Make a JC that has 20 mil worth of +4s for whatever the attirbute you are training and a few 3% hardwires (if you need/want them) and just jump back and forth. That being said a LOT of people fly some expensive implants in low-sec, because you stand are pretty high chance of getting you clone out. I've lost 33 ships in the year I've played but only 4 clones and two of them were my fault, aka I screwed up. If you are in the S-button as you go down it takes a remote sensor boosted interceptor who's watching for it to catch you, you will usually get away.
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2011.10.30 03:23:00 - [47] - Quote Because being forced to pay millions of ISK or else get podded is so much fun!* *That is, if they honor ransom.
Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2011.10.31 11:28:00 - [48] - Quote Justin Credulent wrote: (PS: Schmata Bastanold is cute because she's one of those "wannabe psycopath" players) well, thank you for those kind words :) yesterday I was some kind of Tuskers groupie because I hang out in Havrice and other lowsec sectors nearby where they were flying, even played hide and seek with Mara Abraham for a few moments, exchanged some literature related words with her on local and then followed few Tuskers across several sectors luckily avoiding being scrammed and webbed by Suleiman Shouaa at one of gates. but I suppose not very far into future this groupie will get gangbanged and that will scar her twisted mind even more :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Onictus Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge 4	Posted - 2011.10.31 22:22:00 - [49] - Quote Justin Credulent wrote: Because being forced to pay millions of ISK or else get podded is so much fun!* That is, if they honor ransom. (PS: Schmata Bastanold is cute because she's one of those "wannabe psycopath" players) Bah, Bastards are the only corp you pay a ransom, most of the rest the standard response is *** you, just pod me.
Cunane Jeran 22	Posted - 2011.11.01 02:19:00 - [50] - Quote Lowsec is as safe or as dangerous as you want it to be. That said, nice work on going out there and giving it a bash in the humble Rifter. We could do with more young pilots fighting, it's just plain fun (and good for the economy)

Xi 'xar Mise en Abyme 1	Posted - 2011.11.01 09:38:00 - [51] - Quote I applaud the OP for this post. Lowsec doesn't need fixing by CCP (some things could use some work, sure) - it needs fixing by the players, specifically by a change in their attitude towards lowsec. Every new player should know that getting into lowsec is easy, relatively safe (if you have done a bit of research) profitable (again, do some reading) and can be extremely fun (even if you lose). http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/explore-low-sec/ http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/live-low-sec/
Praxis Astra Smiling Friends Social Club Hearts And Minds Alliance 21	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:47:00 - [52] - Quote I could not agree with you more. I do a lot of exploring in NPC nullsec and sov nullsec as well as low sec and sometimes there's trouble but I routinely go on 20-40 jump trips and make it through seeing some nullsec hi jinx. Low and null sec are just more interesting. Praxis Astra Master of Assassins and Punctuality http://heartsandmindsalliance.org
Neriko Hakaari School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.11.02 18:48:00 - [53] - Quote I just bought a few new frigates to try it out as im quite fresh in eve. Jumping closer towards 0.0 as I am typing this and I must say that I'm really excited :) It doesnt matter if I get killed or not, I can always buy new ships, however I cannot buy back lost time from staring at asteroids.
Asuri Kinnes Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 34	Posted - 2011.11.05 00:19:00 - [54] - Quote Justin Credulent wrote: Quote: Yeah sorry - my mistake, I meant to say 5 - 6ishRoll 1/10 poor troll is poor. Don't try so hard - you actually look like you're overcompensating now. You have nothing constructive to add to the thread, and you've been trolling since you got here. You, actually, look like the one overcompensating. Didn't like low-sec myself, WH's are much more to my taste, but I commend the OP for at least trying. Good on ya' m8! EDIT TO ADD: Onictus wrote: Bah, Bastards are the only corp you pay a ransom, most of the rest the standard response is **** you, just pod me. The Bastards have a policy of honoring every ransom that they make... They don't always offer a ransom, but if so, they WILL honor it! Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Hugo Mesmopotian Space-punk Universe-runner Corporation 0	Posted - 2011.11.05 08:13:00 - [55] - Quote Hello there, well for me as an beginner aka "noob" (I-¦m playing EVE for a month now) low sec is not really an option atm. Ok, I have already some frigates to waste, but first I-¦d like to learn more about the game and train my skills higher. One thing is clear to me though, I definitely don-¦t waste the rest of my EVE-life with all the carebears in high sec.
Hedoran Jaynara Cromwell Holdings 0	Posted - 2011.11.05 09:41:00 - [56] - Quote Hugo Mesmopotian wrote: well for me as an beginner aka "noob" (I-¦m playing EVE for a month now) low sec is not really an option atm. Ok, I have already some frigates to waste, but first I-¦d like to learn more about the game and train my skills higher. On the contrary. The things you learn about the game in low sec can not be learned in high sec. And you don't have to have many skillpoints either to visit low sec. Many people say to them self, "not yet, I'll just wait until I get insert random skill before I enter low sec." The quicker you go, the sooner you realize: a) This isn't so bad at all, I'm still flying my ship and b) The thrill of watching your surroundings is something you never will experience in high sec, and once you've felt the sweet taste of danger that may be lurking around the corner, you never want to go back to high sec again. :)
Zeth Neccro AMEBIX Crust 0	Posted - 2011.11.05 10:33:00 - [57] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: And what I personally don't like there is a common attitude "oh, don't go there, bad people will hurt you if you do". uuh, me is terrified so much, I better cover my head with blanket and read ghost stories instead... Because I paid money to see beautiful interiors of CQ and wait until I will be "ready"... Truth is that sneaking around lowsec is fun. Nobody's in overview but scanner detects a lot of ships. You check their info (cause you are noob, you don't remember what is dangerous yet) and they are pretty nasty. "Will I make it to a gate or will they jump on me?". Or when you find some lone ship all those thoughts running through your heads: "is he alone?... is it a trap?... do I have a chance?... will I escape if sht hits the fan?... omg, omG, oMG, OMG he's locking me!!!". It is all fun, at least to me. And without those emotions I don't think I would pay my subscription. BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! applause*
VR Highfive Raptor Industries Art of War Alliance 2	Posted - 2011.11.05 11:22:00 - [58] - Quote +1 like for the OP because she is taking the risk and having fun. And I agree getting blow up in the learning proces of PvP ain't so bad. Get in fights, get messy, loose ships, have fun.
Aida Nu Nu Industries 22	Posted - 2011.11.05 13:43:00 - [59] - Quote Hugo Mesmopotian wrote: Hello there, well for me as an beginner aka "noob" (I-¦m playing EVE for a month now) low sec is not really an option atm. Ok, I have already some frigates to waste, but first I-¦d like to learn more about the game and train my skills higher. One thing is clear to me though, I definitely don-¦t waste the rest of my EVE-life with all the carebears in high sec. I got my first kill in lowsec when i was 2 weeks old :) Give it a shot!
Daisai Daisai Investments. 0	Posted - 2011.11.06 19:35:00 - [60] - Quote @ OP Nice story and all only it just shows that pvp in eve online is dead. Low sec pvp is mostly gatecamps and the same thing goes for null sec. Going alone pvp is just asking to be killed and your post confirms this, if you see a target which looks to good to be true. Its a baitship and you get scrambled as soon as you start attacking only to be killed by a larger group. Being killed like cannonfodder in a game where the gameplay is all about skillpoints and fittings and basicly has the most passive gameplay i have ever seen is not fun. Sure you only lost your cheap tech 1 frigate only you did loss your implants which costs way more then that frigate. You can of course take a jumpclone without implants to pvp with only that basicly causes you to loss 48 hours of optimized skill training. Which already take ages to complete. I tried it several times using a fitted ship i didnt really care about to try and search for some fun pvp in low/null sec. The only thing i came across are gatecamps.

Hedoran Jaynara Cromwell Holdings 0	Posted - 2011.11.06 22:48:00 - [61] - Quote Daisai wrote: @ OP Nice story and all only it just shows that pvp in eve online is dead. Low sec pvp is mostly gatecamps and the same thing goes for null sec. Going alone pvp is just asking to be killed and your post confirms this, if you see a target which looks to good to be true. Its a baitship and you get scrambled as soon as you start attacking only to be killed by a larger group. Being killed like cannonfodder in a game where the gameplay is all about skillpoints and fittings and basicly has the most passive gameplay i have ever seen is not fun. Sure you only lost your cheap tech 1 frigate only you did loss your implants which costs way more then that frigate. You can of course take a jumpclone without implants to pvp with only that basicly causes you to loss 48 hours of optimized skill training. Which already take ages to complete. I tried it several times using a fitted ship i didnt really care about to try and search for some fun pvp in low/null sec. The only thing i came across are gatecamps. For the last two weeks I've been doing nothing than jumping around in low sec on one of my alts. I have seen 3 gatecamps. None did manage to catch me. Low sec pvp is certainly not mostly gatecamps. Its a part of it, but not a big one. At least not according to my experience.
Daisai Daisai Investments. 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 09:36:00 - [62] - Quote And how many fights did you have in those where, fights where you werent outnumbered 10 to 1? And what kind of ship were you flying ? Because some sucky fitted frigate is not worth the security status loss with a gatecamp.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 987	Posted - 2011.11.07 11:58:00 - [63] - Quote Daisai wrote: And how many fights did you have in those where, fights where you werent outnumbered 10 to 1? And what kind of ship were you flying ? Because some sucky fitted frigate is not worth the security status loss with a gatecamp. Most pirates take pride in their -10.00 status - I certainly did. Pods for the pod god! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Daisai Daisai Investments. 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 13:18:00 - [64] - Quote If you decide to be a pirate with such a security status then yes. Only it seems alot of players still want to keep acces in their high sec systems to do missions to finance their expensive pvp, they have to watch their security status. And since killboards are the thing in eve online apparently killing a poor fitted frigate in low sec is not worth the trouble.
Hedoran Jaynara Cromwell Holdings 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 17:35:00 - [65] - Quote Daisai wrote: And how many fights did you have in those where, fights where you werent outnumbered 10 to 1? And what kind of ship were you flying ? Because some sucky fitted frigate is not worth the security status loss with a gatecamp. 90% of my fights have been 1 on 1.
Daisai Daisai Investments. 0	Posted - 2011.11.07 19:37:00 - [66] - Quote If you say so.... Then im probably really unlucky when i go into low/null.
Taurean Eltanin The Tuskers 10	Posted - 2011.11.08 09:02:00 - [67] - Quote Excellent post. Excellent attitude. High sec is safe, but if I wanted safe, I'd be playing SimCity. http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.com/
Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2011.11.09 10:39:00 - [68] - Quote Taurean Eltanin wrote: Excellent post. Excellent attitude. High sec is safe, but if I wanted safe, I'd be playing SimCity. Thank you Taurean for dropping by :) Currently I am reading through your blog, just finished "Punisher 13" post. reat blog and tons of a great advice and observation very useful for newbies like me seeking for real experience and thrill of fight. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold


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