Jesus Christ....how often does this come up? That's twice in one day. I need call MiniLuv and have them fill my swimming pool with some of these tears.

its not about the loss of money....


and i don-¦t want a discussion about these...

Its only to give CCP a feedback from faithful players


If you buy a ship to transport things from A to B,
but you can-¦t do this while you where killed, also without cargo(see goon kills),
then something goes wrong, hopefully you will understand this

Is this him? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18513144

What was in the plastic wrap? Did he double wrap his package or was it just a plain courier package?

What's a faithful player anyway?

They likely would have killed it just for the lulz. A billion in isotopes is not a valuable cargo. Do the math how much profit did they make?

lol, true.

That thread has something almost philosophical.

There's one side that always claims that Jump freightors or cloaky haulers can never be caught (or that dastardly cloaky Tengu and it's interdiction nullifier) and should be removed or nerved so much they could as well be removed and then there's the other side that claims all freighters are to easy to gank and therefore PVP should be removed entirely.

It's hilarious, really.

High sec doesn't matter anyway therefore no problem or issue to solve.

Should be easy for no one.

Lol. Its not hard at all. As you pointed out you make very high profits while sitting in high sec totally safe from harm. You're pretty much identical to the risk averse hi-sec miner except your profit is much higher. The miner has to worry about ganks and performs some effort. You bump a freighter and click a button once or twice.

If high sec pvers were as risk free and profitable as you, you guys would be screaming like little girls for CCP to nerf them. It benefits you, so you defend it. Thats pretty much the facts.

well. it's pvp, actually. it's so simple and profitable you don't want to do it? please explain

Its PvP. Aggressor can not be aggressed. Pilot cannot do anything to avoid aggressor. Pilot is just sitting there non-interactable. May as well not be in the ship.

Player A got ganked because the mechanics are imbalanced.

Really? So your 31 man gank on the freighter also featuring in this forum atm in which 2 bil / 31 dropped you call profitable? You'd make more running level 4s and itd be more exciting for you since you'd be risking something at least.

Seriously, at least be honest and say you do it mostly for giggles. Any isk profit is just a nice bonus.

EVERYONE can shoot that freighter? Didn't it use to be only the corp of the first (dead) freighter pilot which was basically useless? Kind of evens the risk-free-PvP thingie!

Dear Baltec1, voice of bat country, I have a request for your wisdom.

Would my charon be able to haul a full load of trit in system 0.9, 0.8, 0.9 or will your britix feast upon my lossmail?

:D

Except it can be aligned and ready to instawarp the moment it scoops. By the time it turns red its in warp.

lets be generous here and say 70m

Wait..We pay for ships?

I bet it's all about safety in numbers, if 1000 freighters travel to jita every day, and 2 of them get ganked on the way (every day) then Your average risk to loos a freighter is at 0,002% (every day). :)

Or, if You carry 2bil worth of stuff in Your hold You can calculate an average risk of 400m isk. Cost for the freighter not included ofc.

Now I wish I had numbers not pulled out of my arse so we could do some risk calculation.

Nothing. Im just making observations about ganking being too easy, profitable and risk free. I would like to see it revert back to old style. Where a stupidly rich cargo gets ganked because people put in some effort and won the lotto for that. Currently jump freighters and freighters are being ganked by 30 dessies for less profit per hour than they could make in L4s solo.

Even though they gank these lootless ships for giggles they still admit to making trillions for expenditures of half a billion. No one should be making trillions in high sec risk free like this.

Regardless of other discussions, I actually think the cost (ISK wise) between a freighter (without cargo) and the ships/equipment you have to buy to suicide gank one is a tad disproportional in favor of the ganker. For industrial and transport ships it feels much better.

Not that I have any hope of any changes in that regard. HTFU and all that jazz.

But it doesn't justify the skill time when it's too easy for someone with less skills to destroy that freighter.

Now if the guy who downs the freighter is equally skilled, no argument. As both chose different "careers" and one was industry and the other combat.

But not for some 30 day wonder doing it.

You are not planning a gank fleet made out of free noob ship right?

The issue is its too easy, too risk free and too profitable. It takes no cunning.Bumping ships is basic.Fitting a dessie is basic.

Bat Country only kills freighters with like 6 packaged Tengus in it (seen an killmail by your IsBox corps), that's why. You gatecamp looking for big kills to brag about.