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Ramael Hashur Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.07.02 10:11:00 - [61] - Quote I tried playing Dust 514 for four days. I tried really, really hard to like it. Dust failed me. Too many things were broken, and I left. I usually have a lot of patience for video games; I try to let them prove to me that they're worth playing. Dust just sucks. They're going to need to do a lot to that game to make people want to come back or new people to come period.
Captain Africa GRIM MARCH 47	Posted - 2013.07.02 10:29:00 - [62] - Quote LMFAO at all you Nay sayers... For starters PS3 is ONLY resently landing in China ......There is this HUGE untapped goldmine ! Do you really think CCP is that stupid to invest into something that has no potential?
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 344	Posted - 2013.07.02 10:39:00 - [63] - Quote Captain Africa wrote: LMFAO at all you Nay sayers... For starters PS3 is ONLY resently landing in China ......There is this HUGE untapped goldmine ! Do you really think CCP is that stupid to invest into something that has no potential? MoP released to China = Most losts subs were in China Why play bad Western games, when they can play bad Eastern games? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 919	Posted - 2013.07.02 10:43:00 - [64] - Quote Ramael Hashur wrote: I tried playing Dust 514 for four days. I tried really, really hard to like it. Dust failed me. Too many things were broken, and I left. I usually have a lot of patience for video games; I try to let them prove to me that they're worth playing. Dust just sucks. They're going to need to do a lot to that game to make people want to come back or new people to come period. Dust514 could have probably a larger success on PC than console, I say "could" without any data to prove my point of view of course. Just a feeling when you see hundreds if not thousands of FPS out there in PC having far more players in a couple weeks than Dust514 after time. The potential is there, complexity and interactivity in between two different games is an awesome concept but adding the Console factor imho is killing the bird before it learns to fly. Just an opinion of course, I'd probably be playing Dust514 instead of Planetside2 if Dust was on PC. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
conrad weller Vicious Industrial Redrum Fleet 0	Posted - 2013.07.02 10:52:00 - [65] - Quote make it available on pc. problem solved. the main gripe i have about dust on the ps3 is the fps. its just not smooth enough for an fps game. and dont get me started with the graphics.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 344	Posted - 2013.07.02 11:21:00 - [66] - Quote Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Dust514 could have probably a larger success on PC than console, I say "could" without any data to prove my point of view of course. Well, ever since EA et al got on the campaign of cremating piracy, consoles became the platform to program for by these game companies. The result is the next generation of gamer is now playing on consoles, instead of PCs (they're using laptops anyway). These 2004 games were never designed for consoles. Blizzard is losing a lot of subs because while players leave, the new gamers aren't replacing them... they're playing on consoles. Used to be Wal-Mart had shelves of PC boxes at their stores (where WoW had a complete shelf for themselves). Now it's but a corner, while the XBox, PS3, and Wii display cases fill up the electronics section. Same with the game stores. Without a media presence on those shelves, games aren't going to be played, as they're not noticed...and the new generation didn't hear of these 2004 games. So in an effort to try to get SOME market share, devs have to go where the market is now. Too early to see what Star Citizen will become (being a publicly invested game and made for PCs). But at this stage that's where PC gaming is being shelved too. If CCP saw Activision-Blizzard's stock report, yeah, they moved it now. The writing is on the wall for PC gaming. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Meytal School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 246	Posted - 2013.07.02 12:10:00 - [67] - Quote conrad weller wrote: make it available on pc. problem solved. CCP signed an exclusive deal with Sony (read: major cash involved). CCP needed a network infrastructure for DUST; their existing infrastructure is EVE, so they would need to expand it which takes money. Sony undoubtedly made a much better offer in return for exclusive access than CCP could have hoped to have gotten on their own, building their own DUST-based infrastructure while developing and maintaining a cross-platform console-PC game.. If CCP could have released on PC, do you really think they'd willingly and purposefully hold back? Also, just think, as part of this deal, how many PS3 units do you think Sony has now sold due to EVE players wanting to play the game? Maybe not earth-shattering numbers, but it's greater than 0. And how many of those people, now that they own a PS3, might just go out and get another game? It's all about money.
Lilliana Stelles 815	Posted - 2013.07.02 12:22:00 - [68] - Quote CCP BunnyVirus wrote: Selling Tinfoil hats !!! 1plex per hat You have every right to charge me a plex if you literally put a tinfoil hat on my avatar. On an unrelated note, why does Dust get special attention while other failed projects don't? (cosmos, incarna...) there are better things they could be "fixing". Incarna from 2009. 3 Years later and what we have doesn't look half as good as this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 344	Posted - 2013.07.02 12:40:00 - [69] - Quote Meytal wrote: If CCP could have released on PC, do you really think they'd willingly and purposefully hold back? Also, just think, as part of this deal, how many PS3 units do you think Sony has now sold due to EVE players wanting to play the game? Maybe not earth-shattering numbers, but it's greater than 0. And how many of those people, now that they own a PS3, might just go out and get another game? It's all about money. They have to put down CoD and BF3 first. With those 2 hogging the console FPS market DUST is a footnote. Sony also kills their own PC division in the effort to push Playstation sales. EQII really suffered from a lack of promotion, and the inaction allowed Blizzard to steamroll ahead blanketing the stores with boxes. In a year, EQII was history. Fierce market. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Markku Laaksonen EVE University Ivy League 156	Posted - 2013.07.02 12:52:00 - [70] - Quote Check http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust statistics to watch Dust go in the same direction as my nerfed to hell drop ship. (Hint: Down.)
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 352	Posted - 2013.07.02 12:54:00 - [71] - Quote Captain Africa wrote: LMFAO at all you Nay sayers... For starters PS3 is ONLY resently landing in China ......There is this HUGE untapped goldmine ! Do you really think CCP is that stupid to invest into something that has no potential? Did you just use the "it has potential" thing to describe China? Wanna buy some swamp land in Florida? It has "potential" to be great ocean front property!
Freighdee Katt Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 233	Posted - 2013.07.02 13:28:00 - [72] - Quote Ramael Hashur wrote: I tried playing Dust 514 for four days. I tried really, really hard to like it. Dust failed me. Too many things were broken, and I left. I usually have a lot of patience for video games; I try to let them prove to me that they're worth playing. Dust just sucks. They're going to need to do a lot to that game to make people want to come back or new people to come period. This. And I am guessing from your presence here that you are DUST's most favored demographic, the player most likely to be most generous to it (i.e., the dedicated EvE player who either has a console already or got one just to play DUST, specifically because of the connection with EvE, which you're already invested in). From the perspective of non-EvE players, the game is just amazingly bad in all the most important areas, starting with the terrible controls and horrendous, overcomplex EvE-esque loadout system that CCP insisted on shackling the game with, and just going downhill from there. Anyone who is not coming from years of playing EvE could care less about --- in most cases probably doesn't even know about --- the "EvE connection." What those players see after five minutes of struggling to play the game is an MMOFPS that is awful in every way compared with its polished competitors, which were made by game companies that know how to make shooters and have been doing so for years. CCP basically designed this game to fail, by locking it into a niche market of a niche market (EvE bittervets who have or will buy consoles just for the gee-whiz factor of playing a shooter linked to their favorite MMO). And even among those players, the game still struggles because it's just . . . bad. Not even hordes of Chinese ISK farmers can save the game at this point, because DUST (deliberately, and necessarily) is not and cannot be a conduit for farming ISK or anything else to sell into the deep market of EvE players. Even the bots and gold farmers are going to take one look and move on once they realize there is nothing of value to farm and nobody for them to sell to on the DUST side, and they have no access to the real market on the EvE side.
Norian Lonark Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few 81	Posted - 2013.07.02 13:39:00 - [73] - Quote Captain Africa wrote: Do you really think CCP is that stupid to invest into something that has no potential? CCP are not immune to making mistakes. Personally I thought the player figures for Dust would be a lot higher, and I wonder how many of those playing Dust are EVE players? I thought the whole point of having this FPS on the PS3 was to bring in a new (larger) audience and type of gamer, it doesn't seem to be a huge success at the moment, with bad reviews and dwindling player numbers. I hope it turns around as a more profitable CCP is good for EVE, or if it cant turn around it does not hurt CCP too much.
Ilkahn DisturbedGamers. The Explicit Alliance 41	Posted - 2013.07.02 13:53:00 - [74] - Quote CCP BunnyVirus wrote: Selling Tinfoil hats !!! 1plex per hat NOW THAT i would spend my AUR that was given me... can you all whip up a tinfoil hat please? My toon would look bad arse with a tin foil hat.
Soylent Jade New Order Logistics CODE. 10	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:06:00 - [75] - Quote Sebastien Starstrider wrote: uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success? Yes because companies always make press releases announcing their new product is terrible and not living up to expectations. Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time minerbumping.com
Jarnis McPieksu 445	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:19:00 - [76] - Quote - Released decisively average F2P shooter to a dying platform. - When it didn't perform up to expectations, goes to double down the bet. - Is CCP The only thing that might somehow save Dust is if they somehow magically pull PS4 and PC clients out of their hat within the next six months while fixing a ton of stupid away. PS3, while sporting a massive theoretical installed base, is dead. Existing PS3 users are pretty much concentrated on a few SCEJ/SCEA exclusives that have massive budgets and competent PS3-centric dev teams... PS4 ships in a few months, all the "cool kids" will jump platforms (especially as it ships at such a low price point) and what's left of Dust 514 playerbase will go poof.
Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 181	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:20:00 - [77] - Quote I Love Boobies wrote: If you look at the past month server population on DUST, you can notice the gradual decline. Which is predictable, people trying it out after it was released, not finding it to their liking, and not playing any longer. What you will eventually have left are the people who actually like DUST. Yeah. I gave it a try, but aiming with a dualshock is meh at best. Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote: Dear CCP, You can't polish a turd. The Mythbusters were able to do that IRL. I can has blogging skills!
Azami Nevinyrall Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team 1025	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:23:00 - [78] - Quote Are they actually going to fix Dust 514? (Then make the fixes a DLC?) I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post.
RomeStar Empire Investments Logistics 204	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:29:00 - [79] - Quote Sebastien Starstrider wrote: uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success? Succes dont make me laugh. Hey you have alittle brown stuff on your nose you should really wipe it off. F Dust they need to drop the project and devote their time to eve. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Jonny Monroe Monroe enterprises 4	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:35:00 - [80] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Chamile Eonic wrote: The faster Dust dies the better. Just imagine what Eve would be like today if all those millions of pounds and Dev hours had been invested into Eve ISK. The currency of Iceland is ISK, not pounds. Pounds are for stagnant nations that refuse to accept that the sun isn't perpetually rising on their 'empire' anymore. Actually, the sun never sets on the British Empire: http://what-if.xkcd.com/48/
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 344	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:41:00 - [81] - Quote Freighdee Katt wrote: From the perspective of non-EvE players, the game is just amazingly bad in all the most important areas, starting with the terrible controls and horrendous, overcomplex EvE-esque loadout system that CCP insisted on shackling the game with, and just going downhill from there. Can say something about EvE in that regard: Spent over 5mins trying to get my ship out of a structure, as it ping ponged through a hole in it, as the waypoint drew it right into the hole in the first place. Got trapped by the tanks inside, then had to find SOME waypoint point out of the hole, so the ship could ping pong out of it. This ship bouncing off of things is for the birds. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Alundil Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn 216	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:48:00 - [82] - Quote Liafcipe9000 wrote: CCP BunnyVirus wrote: Selling Tinfoil hats !!! 1plex per hat SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY also if tinfoil hats were to be in the game, that would be an epic win :D also pirate hats! MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP New mining mini-game, calling it now. "Reynolds" Gaussian Mining Beam Al-CoA seeds to be found on SiSi Soon (tm)
Beekeeper Bob Beekeepers Anonymous 679	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:50:00 - [83] - Quote Sebastien Starstrider wrote: uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success? Yes, they would never admit they screwed up..... I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 1129	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:50:00 - [84] - Quote CCP BunnyVirus wrote: Selling Tinfoil hats !!! 1plex per hat I'll BUY 2 from NEX... especially the faction TinfoilHATGäó that gives +6% to likes on forums and +10% to EVE is DYINGGäó threads An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 820	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:52:00 - [85] - Quote Oh noes! I just bought a Cadillac and I demand that GM not loan any of those engineers to Vauxhall to help that division... of the same corporation... so that the entire corporation grows and prospers... Some of you people really need to open a book and read about how businesses are run. If you want Eve to continue then you need to understand that CCP, like any game studio, can't survive on a single (ten year old, by the way) niche game. They must diversify and bring new products to market in order to attract new customers. Expecting the company to continue growing and making profits ad infinitum on the back of a single product is dangerously naive. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Thorn Galen Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 1215	Posted - 2013.07.02 15:01:00 - [86] - Quote Sour Jelly wrote: I think CCP should start making basketball shoes after DUST starts breaking records, along with clothing and accessories for urban youths. They can pick up where Tommy Hilfiger left off. But NO WiS! That's crazy, remember the statue? Well, with an ex-EA man's influence, those shoes may be an item you can buy in game soon. Along with no more patches, just payable DLC's to keep running EVE. Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse CEO Sanctuary Pact Alliance --áSanctuary Pact
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4330	Posted - 2013.07.02 15:01:00 - [87] - Quote Jarnis McPieksu wrote: - Released decisively average F2P shooter to a dying platform. - When it didn't perform up to expectations, goes to double down the bet. - Is CCP The only thing that might somehow save Dust is if they somehow magically pull PS4 and PC clients out of their hat within the next six months while fixing a ton of stupid away. PS3, while sporting a massive theoretical installed base, is dead. Existing PS3 users are pretty much concentrated on a few SCEJ/SCEA exclusives that have massive budgets and competent PS3-centric dev teams... PS4 ships in a few months, all the "cool kids" will jump platforms (especially as it ships at such a low price point) and what's left of Dust 514 playerbase will go poof. They've already said that a PS4 version would not be an obstacle. Since the bulk of the code is run on the servers, the actual client isn't that difficult to modify for the new platform apparently. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Sister Sophia Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2013.07.02 16:44:00 - [88] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: They must diversify and bring new products to market in order to attract new customers. Expecting the company to continue growing and making profits ad infinitum on the back of a single product is dangerously naive. Dangerously naive question: why do they need to keep growing? Why not just pour all the energy into making EVE absolutely excellent (fixing all the bugs, adding depth, fixing graphics, and so on)? This would keep the old player base -- a good chunk of which is past 30yo, has plenty of money, and doesn't really care for bling. That in turn would pay the bills for CCP and give them a product that would potentially last for ever. New players would come in at a slow and steady rate as the reputation of the game for difficult, intelligent, and mature content spread. EVE could be a real classic. So why the need to keep expanding on the basis of gee-wizz-bang flash projects? Thanks in advance for your answer.
Zah Damaja Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 36	Posted - 2013.07.02 16:49:00 - [89] - Quote Honestly DUST is the future of the EVE Online Universe. I mean look at Call of Duty. If CCP were able to emulateCoD for DUST it would be highly successful. They already have the FPS base, it should be easy to push it in that direction. Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Forum Representative GÇ£A leader leads by example, not by forceGÇ¥-á-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Sour Jelly 14	Posted - 2013.07.02 20:38:00 - [90] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: Oh noes! I just bought a Cadillac and I demand that GM not loan any of those engineers to Vauxhall to help that division... of the same corporation... so that the entire corporation grows and prospers... Some of you people really need to open a book and read about how businesses are run. If you want Eve to continue then you need to understand that CCP, like any game studio, can't survive on a single (ten year old, by the way) niche game. They must diversify and bring new products to market in order to attract new customers. Expecting the company to continue growing and making profits ad infinitum on the back of a single product is dangerously naive. What you said doesn't make DUST a better game or a worthwhile investment of anything A child's lemonade stand is a much better bet. Actually you know, if they started selling Quafe soft drinks that has/had a much larger chance of success than DUST ever did. People have been saying this is stupid since it was announced years ago and we were right.

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