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Chamile Eonic
The Church of MDAMC
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:23:00 -
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I don't remember seeing this on the forums yet.
Hans Jagerblitzen (former CSM guy and current CPM (Dusts version of CSM)) Has an update on what they have been up to
Quote:its readily apparent now to the CPM that CCP is doubling down on Dust 514's success, investing more resources into bringing staff on board, focusing their direction, and iterating on the processes that have brought the game this far.
Quote:The growth taking place doesn't just extend to the many job postings that are up as part of push to grow the studio GÇô there are personnel coming over from Reykjavik as well. Most notable of these staff moves is the the man that will now be overseeing Dust 514's game design GÇô Craig Scott, also known as CCP Flying Scotsman.
So it looks like Eve is slipping down the pecking order again. When Hillmars pet project is in trouble the solution is to pull Devs off Eve and hand them over.
http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/cpm-activity-report-3-june-29-2013.html
The faster Dust dies the better. Just imagine what Eve would be like today if all those millions of pounds and Dev hours had been invested into Eve |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
538
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:26:00 -
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inb4 lock " Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance
Tell The Others |
Chamile Eonic
The Church of MDAMC
6
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:28:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:inb4 lock
Why? Isn't Eve devs being taken off of Eve to work on a different game General Discussion material? |
Sebastien Starstrider
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
46
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:28:00 -
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uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success? |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:30:00 -
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Wasn't CCP Flying Scotsman the infamous employee that stated during one of the Alliance Tournaments that "buying" a special Scorpion ship without trading in a regular version acceptable until CCP figures out the exchange, even if it messed up the mineral market...? |
Chamile Eonic
The Church of MDAMC
6
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:33:00 -
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Sebastien Starstrider wrote:uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success?
I have no idea how much money CCP are making from the game, but its easy enough to see how many people are playing
http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
It peaked out at about 8000 concurrent players and dropped as low as 4000 with a small increase recently. these are small numbers for a free to play game.
Reviews have been pretty terrible so far. Most of the positive ones talk more about potential than what the game is today. Its possible the game could be OK one day, it just sucks seeing Eve funds sucked out even more to prop Dust up until/if it becomes profitable. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
433
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:33:00 -
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Chamile Eonic wrote: The faster Dust dies the better. Just imagine what Eve would be like today if all those millions of pounds and Dev hours had been invested into Eve
A real version of Incarna? (I want one...) Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
233
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:36:00 -
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Chamile Eonic wrote:Sebastien Starstrider wrote:uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success? I have no idea how much money CCP are making from the game, but its easy enough to see how many people are playing http://eve-offline.net/?server=dustIt peaked out at about 8000 concurrent players and dropped as low as 4000 with a small increase recently. these are small numbers for a free to play game. Reviews have been pretty terrible so far. Most of the positive ones talk more about potential than what the game is today. Its possible the game could be OK one day, it just sucks seeing Eve funds sucked out even more to prop Dust up until/if it becomes profitable.
I've been pretty bearish on Dust since its release and I see no reason to change that opinion. I understand that CCP will give it some time, but I doubt they'll ever recover the money they spent on it.
I hope they haven't sunk so much money into it that they'll have trouble re: Eve's development. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
845
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:37:00 -
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Chamile Eonic wrote:Quote:The growth taking place doesn't just extend to the many job postings that are up as part of push to grow the studio GÇô there are personnel coming over from Reykjavik as well. Most notable of these staff moves is the the man that will now be overseeing Dust 514's game design GÇô Craig Scott, also known as CCP Flying Scotsman. So it looks like Eve is slipping down the pecking order again. When Hillmars pet project is in trouble the solution is to pull Devs off Eve and hand them over.
A CCP dev that's already working on DUST is moving from Reykjavik to Shanghai, the location where CCP's DUST dev staff is...DUST is obviously dying!
Toshiro Ozuwara > GOon cowards come fight Toshiro Ozuwara > Oh wait, you only camp when you got numberssss
I would fully support account bans by ccp for meta type stuff like this. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
539
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:38:00 -
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If you look at the past month server population on DUST, you can notice the gradual decline. Which is predictable, people trying it out after it was released, not finding it to their liking, and not playing any longer. What you will eventually have left are the people who actually like DUST. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
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Arduemont
The Asteroid Solution
1577
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:39:00 -
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Depends on how many devs are being moved over I suppose. One dev really isn't the end of the world, but if they moving any significant number of them over, I personally wouldn't be very pleased.
As for the state of Dust... it has seen some pretty damning reviews, mostly because of general FPS stuff like aiming and movement sensitivity, and vehicle physics. I hope it succeeds, I really do. But I am not particularly optimistic. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Chamile Eonic
The Church of MDAMC
7
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:42:00 -
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Karsa Egivand wrote:I hope they haven't sunk so much money into it that they'll have trouble re: Eve's development.
My guess would be that we see WoD killed off before we see too much of a hit on Eve development. If the company is in a lot of trouble you tend to double down on your profit making areas.
Dust was born out of the arrogant years pre Summer of Rage. I understand why CCP would try to get a little momentum behind Dust but lets hope they don't throw away too much money.
With the PS4, New Battlefield and Planetside coming this year Dusts window of opportunity is limited. I'm not hearing many people a PS3 version of Dust stands much of a chance against The big guns on their way.
Some people say that Eve started slow and built. Eve was in a market with no competition. Dust is going against the biggest slickest companies in the market. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
344
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:27:00 -
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Dear CCP,
You can't polish a turd. |
Sour Jelly
12
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:35:00 -
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Quote:CCP is doubling down on Dust 514's success
This won't end well. |
P3ps1 Max
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:05:00 -
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Double down or nothing eh? Planet Side 2 is incoming real soon |
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CCP BunnyVirus
C C P C C P Alliance
881
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:20:00 -
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Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat 3D Artist |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2701
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:25:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
Damn, must be some quality pants hats.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
233
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:33:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
Would you have a few devs sign it?
If so, sign me up. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2523
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:34:00 -
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We've had pretty thin releases since Incarna, and DUST (which I play fairly frequently b/c EvE) is suffering from a number of serious and systemic problems (not the least of which is the lack of a "fun" factor), so this wouldn't surprise me.
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Kewso
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:39:00 -
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I wish we had a real walking in stations....
All the stuff discussed at fanfests, the in station stores, bars, in station mini games to bet on, social promenade, etc...
that's what should have been done instead of dust.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2703
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:44:00 -
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Kewso wrote:I wish we had a real walking in stations....
All the stuff discussed at fanfests, the in station stores, bars, in station mini games to bet on, social promenade, etc... that's what should have been done instead of dust.
Wow! No one has ever suggested that before who has also never bothered to log into the game to create an avatar.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:51:00 -
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Kewso wrote:I wish we had a real walking in stations....
All the stuff discussed at fanfests, the in station stores, bars, in station mini games to bet on, social promenade, etc...
that's what should have been done instead of dust.
Many people agree with you. Also, many people disagree with you.
Just saying...
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Sour Jelly
12
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:56:00 -
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I think CCP should start making basketball shoes after DUST starts breaking records, along with clothing and accessories for urban youths. They can pick up where Tommy Hilfiger left off.
But NO WiS! That's crazy, remember the statue? |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
375
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Posted - 2013.07.02 00:01:00 -
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"one does not simply rescue dust" http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
95
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Posted - 2013.07.02 00:01:00 -
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I don't have the playstation 2 platform but "convergence" is coming.
I hope a viable linux box with a non proprietary operating system jumps in . I bought my first Tivo in 2000, the year that it came out. Tivo operates on a linux computer basically but they've made almost no progress with their UI
In 2000 the Tivo UI was slick and quicker than hell (felt like that to me) ... I still vastly prefer its simlicity. I never need to know what channel a show comes on or the time.. I rarely have for 13 years.
Tivo is propietary though.
I'm sure there are boxes out there .. like infinity TV (anyone try it? ) but i'm a not tech person and I've got mental procrastination barriers to jumping in on it.
Could DUST be put on a linux alternative that fit a game processor car separate from the main video card ? A box that functioned as a cable card tuner and a straight out computer monitor and DVR ?
Anyway think I'll be able to play dust soon(2 years is soon in my 48 year old book) on my TV with neither a playstation or and xbox?
* Microsoft seems to be abandoning the concept of the PC rather than enabling the PC as an open operating system that works easily as a dvr (their windows media player was certainly on that order but without an approved cable card box built in. |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
123
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Posted - 2013.07.02 00:03:00 -
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As long as EvE doesn't suffer from any of this - don't really care. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
918
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Posted - 2013.07.02 00:17:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
Can I haz? *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Sassums
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
106
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Posted - 2013.07.02 00:37:00 -
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I think it was a terrible business decision to launch a brand new game on a platform the year a new system is coming out. Why invest in an already extremely dated system. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1113
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Posted - 2013.07.02 00:43:00 -
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Sebastien Starstrider wrote:uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success?
i can tell you play dust. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Arec Bardwin
968
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Posted - 2013.07.02 01:13:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat So it is confirmed, we are getting hats!!! FINALLY!!!
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4329
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Posted - 2013.07.02 01:48:00 -
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Chamile Eonic wrote:Sebastien Starstrider wrote:uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success? I have no idea how much money CCP are making from the game, but its easy enough to see how many people are playing http://eve-offline.net/?server=dustIt peaked out at about 8000 concurrent players and dropped as low as 4000 with a small increase recently. these are small numbers for a free to play game. Reviews have been pretty terrible so far. Most of the positive ones talk more about potential than what the game is today. Its possible the game could be OK one day, it just sucks seeing Eve funds sucked out even more to prop Dust up until/if it becomes profitable. Those aren't EVE funds, those are CCP funds... to do with as they please. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ckra Trald
Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION
204
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Posted - 2013.07.02 02:20:00 -
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ccp should have waited until ps4 came out and developed for ps4 instead of a dying console gen ^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^ |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
698
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Posted - 2013.07.02 02:32:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
I thought company's policy changed and 100-300AUR price would be more suitable for present incarnation of NeX shop :p
P.S. I wouldn't mind to buy (almost) any hat for the toon. |
Ken 1138
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
51
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Posted - 2013.07.02 03:02:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:If you look at the past month server population on DUST, you can notice the gradual decline. Which is predictable, people trying it out after it was released, not finding it to their liking, and not playing any longer. What you will eventually have left are the people who actually like DUST.
I have an account just for the time when interaction becomes deeper and better. Other than that, i don't even play it. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1065
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:44:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Dear CCP,
You can't polish a turd.
Roll it in glitter! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3834
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:05:00 -
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I have lost more drop ships to the "control" system than enemy fire. Even real helicopters are not that hard to fly!
When I can reliably queue up for combat missions where my militia-geared squad is not going to be facing off against proto-geared squads, I will resume my DUST514 adventures.
In the meantime, while people can simply bankroll their way to proto gear I class DUST514 as Pay To Win. Once the equipment for Dust Bunnies is manufactured and delivered by capsuleers, and players can't simply have infinite supplies of immediately accessible proto gear by buying Aurum, I will regain some interest. I am continuing to play a few games a week but my interest really in waning.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:07:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Dear CCP,
You can't polish a turd.
The hell's an Ark then? Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
- Sun Tzu |
Joan Greywind
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
33
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:10:00 -
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Yea a gaming company switching developers or designers between its games (that have a lot of similarities) is totally unheard of in the gaming industry and that means that CCP is going down.
I agree that dust till now is at best a sub par game, and it has a lot of problems, but the potential is really high. And the possibility to expand EVE with a game like DUST is definitely worth the time and resources put into it. When EVE launched it was a ****** unbalance game about spaceships, now it is less ****** and unbalanced, but is the best game out there not because of it has the best gameplay or graphics, but because it has the best premise and gameplay (not actually flying the ship but way the sandbox operates). Dust will only add to that, and add more to the experience. Granted it doesn't look rosy, but hope is still there.
Man I am being such a CCP pet these days, it is becoming nauseating.
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:25:00 -
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Gogela wrote:We've had pretty thin releases since Incarna, and DUST (which I play fairly frequently b/c EvE) is suffering from a number of serious and systemic problems (not the least of which is the lack of a "fun" factor), so this wouldn't surprise me.
Considering that actual fun isn't even the design of EvE, I'm not surprised that DUST isn't either.
CCP is used to making EvE and been doing it so long, there's a culture in their HQ that will follow any other game they make. FPS games are designed for careless fun all the way back to the Quake days, not turning it from the original Star Trek to what Star Trek became today (a clinically sterile geek fest that lost the space cowboy feel of the original series). Add this is the company that allows crime as a mechanic in an industry about socialization -- not antisocial behaviors -- DUST won't sell well even on a PC platform.
I played a MUD with the same outlook that attracted those who preferred playing the toughest and roughest, and the community was the worst I had ever seen in any game. When I went back to check it out, it's but existing on fumes today. Picking wings off of flies isn't what "normal" players consider fun or even a mentally healthy interest to hang around. What's left is the worst seen in RL in an online game.
MMOs are about people getting together in an environment that's conductive to grouping together, with some assurance their time and money isn't wasted on the worst elements in RL...as a game design.
It's not the skill time that hurts EvE (and by extension DUST) it's it environment. It's not fun to "normal" people. Dweebs and who you see in prison videos though think it's literally out of this world. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
740
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:53:00 -
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Kewso wrote:I wish we had a real walking in stations....
All the stuff discussed at fanfests, the in station stores, bars, in station mini games to bet on, social promenade, etc...
that's what should have been done instead of dust.
worthless content.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Othran
Route One
571
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:11:00 -
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Chamile Eonic wrote:Quote:The growth taking place doesn't just extend to the many job postings that are up as part of push to grow the studio GÇô there are personnel coming over from Reykjavik as well. Most notable of these staff moves is the the man that will now be overseeing Dust 514's game design GÇô Craig Scott, also known as CCP Flying Scotsman.
Good. The further away from Eve he is, the happier I'll be. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:21:00 -
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A lesson here about game companies and their insistence they can do 2 major projects at the same time:
Blizzard trying to build Titan while still maintaining WoW.
The best staff was moved to Titan after WotLK. 14mil subs are down to 9mil. Why? The "A" team moved to Titan, allowing the "B" to work on WoW.
Blizzard ensured the WoW community nothing would change. If you played WoW since WotLK you'll beg to differ (pandas, an April Fool's joke, now a playable race). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
6959
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:21:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
also if tinfoil hats were to be in the game, that would be an epic win :D also pirate hats! MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |
bloodknight2
Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
98
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:38:00 -
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Dust for PC.
This is what they should have done at first. |
Radgette
New Eden Renegades
37
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Posted - 2013.07.02 07:08:00 -
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First GM Scotsman and now CCP Flying Scotsman!!
clearly Rekjavik cannot handle the awesomeness that is the Scottish people except in small doses at Fanfest
so CCP in their desperation are shipping them off to shanghai in the hopes it can :P |
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
19
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Posted - 2013.07.02 07:45:00 -
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The reason dust will be **** is because the main people who would want to play it (Eve players) who play EVE on a PC need a ******* PS3!
I hope dust dies for this reason alone. |
DSpite Culhach
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
122
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Posted - 2013.07.02 07:59:00 -
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NO dammit, what we need is for CCP to buy out Shattered Horizon, then we can charge Dust bunnies transport fees so we can dump them on the outside of asteroids and stations to blow each other up, or take them to hacking sites so they can TIE DOWN THE DAMN CANS so they wont explode everywhere.
I mean, just give the grunts some nets, or something. I suddenly woke up thinking I had a nightmare, then remembered I can't even fly Amarr Battleships. I add bits to this when I'm bored https://www.dropbox.com/s/foijsawsqolarom/EVE_Online.html |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2524
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:13:00 -
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Anna Djan wrote:The reason dust will be **** is because the main people who would want to play it (Eve players) who play EVE on a PC need a ******* PS3!
I hope dust dies for this reason alone. I got mine for $50.
PS3s are cheap as dirt. Hit up E-Bay fool.
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Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
140
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:17:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
You better get these to eve-online market for a plex or I'll call for shenanigans. Plus I want a tinfoil hat for one of my alts |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5364
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:21:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:Yea a gaming company switching developers or designers between its games (that have a lot of similarities) is totally unheard of in the gaming industry and that means that CCP is going down.
I agree that dust till now is at best a sub par game, and it has a lot of problems, but the potential is really high. And the possibility to expand EVE with a game like DUST is definitely worth the time and resources put into it. When EVE launched it was a ****** unbalance game about spaceships, now it is less ****** and unbalanced, but is the best game out there not because of it has the best gameplay or graphics, but because it has the best premise and gameplay (not actually flying the ship but way the sandbox operates). Dust will only add to that, and add more to the experience. Granted it doesn't look rosy, but hope is still there.
Man I am being such a CCP pet these days, it is becoming nauseating.
Do you know what games have the most potential for the future? The ones that aren't actually good now and that is a big problem, if you want people to play and make money off them. One of the best indicators for a game not really being worth your time at the moment, is when you hear the people defending it talk all about how great it's potential is. This is mostly because there isn't that much actual good in the current game to talk about. This doesn't mean they couldn't end up be right, but it means you're propably better spending your time doing something else for the time being, since you can just come back if that time ever comes. |
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:38:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
Funny thing is this is EvE -- the tinfoil hats are actually part of the gameplay (paranoia is live and well). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
346
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:41:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:A lesson here about game companies and their insistence they can do 2 major projects at the same time: Blizzard trying to build Titan while still maintaining WoW.The best staff was moved to Titan after WotLK. 14mil subs are down to 9mil. Why? The "A" team moved to Titan, allowing the "B" to work on WoW. Blizzard ensured the WoW community nothing would change. If you played WoW since WotLK you'll beg to differ (pandas, an April Fool's joke, now a playable race). That's the World of Warcraft I Used to Play
This is a bit offtopic, but I'll bite: introducing the Pandaren was never WoW's problem. After all, they were part of the lore since The Frozen Throne expansion for Warcraft III - you even had a neutral hero available in multiplayer. For most people WoW was their first real MMO, with many coming over from strategy game line, liking the lore, especially in the lastest installment of that series, Warcraft III. For those players, Arthas was the ultimate bad boss of WoW, not knowing much about Burning Legion, Deathwing and so on. Once WotLK was finished, they would have stayed if the game itself was worth it. However, it just so happened that WotLK was also a fairly poor expansion. After the wild success of TBC which saw WoW subscription numbers skyrocket, Blizzard introduced a weak, easy, unfun expansion that piled problem after problem, saw several rehashes and poorly executed events, which turned the core subscription base away. Cataclysm was an attempt to reverse this, but it was too late - with Arthas, most of those early players could close the chapter, the reason they were playing and they could move on.
Instead of introducing a new villain with a new expansion, not tied to the previous one at all, they'd need to add a "to be continued" story that people would likely follow - but only if the rest of the game was fun to begin with. Back in TBC, it was minigames and random reputation grinds that kept us occupied, the biggest problem with WotLK was that there was nothing to keep you there. During WotLK, most of us grinded old dungeons for rare mounts or similar, which tends to get boring eventually. Whereas a game like EVE generates content by player interaction, WoW doesn't have something like that - but the sad part is, it used to. Back in vanilla (and TBC to an extent), you had to walk to your dungeon. This ment that at any point to your target destination, there were likely to be people trying to stop you - kinda like gate camps in low or null. That generated world pvp, as at these sites you were always likely to find players to engage. Some of the best battles of WoW happened in Blackrock Mountain, at Onyxia's Lair, at popular grinding points like Tyr's Hand or in high level zones like Silithus. Even for pvp zones (battlegrounds), you had to travel to their destination. This all died with dungeon finder, battleground queues and extensive flying. The world turned into nothing more than a leveling zone before the endgame grind took place.
In my opinion, WoW is a perfect example of why a leveling based themepark MMO is inferior to a sandbox design. 90+% of developer's time is wasted on getting you to top level, a time sink of at best a few days or weeks. Meanwhile all that content could have been used to engage a player, to bring new challenges to overcome and new riddles to solve. Take for instance WoW's Mageblade (back in Molten Bore) vs. EVE's Vindicator. At their time, both of these items were immensely powerful. The Mageblade was a pinnacle of mage or warlock weapons, while the Vindicator was the ultimate of close range battleships. Fast forward a couple of years. Mageblade was something like 10% of an easy to get blue weapon at the time I left. Vindicator? Still the king of close range combat. All the content that CCP generated is still useful even to a max skilled player in some way. All the content below max level in WoW? Utterly wasted unless rehashed.
That, my friend, is why Pandas are the least of WoW's problems. If they were introduced in TBC instead of elves, everyone would be praising them. Alas, they came in the time of WoW's twilight and they're taking the blame for the fall that's been preparing for half a decade. |
Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1537
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:42:00 -
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Chamile Eonic wrote:The faster Dust dies the better. Just imagine what Eve would be like today if all those millions of pounds and Dev hours had been invested into Eve
ISK. The currency of Iceland is ISK, not pounds. Pounds are for stagnant nations that refuse to accept that the sun isn't perpetually rising on their 'empire' anymore. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
0Lona 0ltor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:59:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
Pfft CCP is not putting hats on the Aurum market untill they get desperate for dollars. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2013.07.02 09:03:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: Pounds are for stagnant nations that refuse to accept that the sun isn't perpetually rising on their 'empire' anymore.
This did make me laugh.
We've not had an empire for a long time, but I am glad we stuck with the pound instead adopting the euro. |
arria Auscent
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.07.02 09:48:00 -
[56] - Quote
lol dust tops out at 8k per day and tf2 tops out at 70k per day dust is dead already dont revive it ccp
and it would be better to fight for planets with tf2 characters |
arria Auscent
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.07.02 09:50:00 -
[57] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Chamile Eonic wrote:The faster Dust dies the better. Just imagine what Eve would be like today if all those millions of pounds and Dev hours had been invested into Eve ISK. The currency of Iceland is ISK, not pounds. Pounds are for stagnant nations that refuse to accept that the sun isn't perpetually rising on their 'empire' anymore.
so long as the severs are located in the uk the currency is pounds |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
343
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Posted - 2013.07.02 09:55:00 -
[58] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Chamile Eonic wrote:The faster Dust dies the better. Just imagine what Eve would be like today if all those millions of pounds and Dev hours had been invested into Eve ISK. The currency of Iceland is ISK, not pounds. Pounds are for stagnant nations that refuse to accept that the sun isn't perpetually rising on their 'empire' anymore.
Or the only EU country left with any common sense. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Lauren Pheonix
Obsidian Squadron Novus Dominatum
0
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:00:00 -
[59] - Quote
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
Also posting for do want hat. Plex ready on this toon just message me. |
Caprice Azar
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:03:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY also if tinfoil hats were to be in the game, that would be an epic win :D also pirate hats! MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP
Damn straight! +1 for in-game tinfoil hats and pirate hats!
Just don't make them tinfoil pirate hats...
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Ramael Hashur
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:11:00 -
[61] - Quote
I tried playing Dust 514 for four days. I tried really, really hard to like it. Dust failed me. Too many things were broken, and I left. I usually have a lot of patience for video games; I try to let them prove to me that they're worth playing.
Dust just sucks. They're going to need to do a lot to that game to make people want to come back or new people to come period. |
Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH
47
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:29:00 -
[62] - Quote
LMFAO at all you Nay sayers... For starters PS3 is ONLY resently landing in China ......There is this HUGE untapped goldmine ! Do you really think CCP is that stupid to invest into something that has no potential? |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
344
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:39:00 -
[63] - Quote
Captain Africa wrote:LMFAO at all you Nay sayers... For starters PS3 is ONLY resently landing in China ......There is this HUGE untapped goldmine ! Do you really think CCP is that stupid to invest into something that has no potential?
MoP released to China = Most losts subs were in China
Why play bad Western games, when they can play bad Eastern games? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
919
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:43:00 -
[64] - Quote
Ramael Hashur wrote:I tried playing Dust 514 for four days. I tried really, really hard to like it. Dust failed me. Too many things were broken, and I left. I usually have a lot of patience for video games; I try to let them prove to me that they're worth playing.
Dust just sucks. They're going to need to do a lot to that game to make people want to come back or new people to come period.
Dust514 could have probably a larger success on PC than console, I say "could" without any data to prove my point of view of course. Just a feeling when you see hundreds if not thousands of FPS out there in PC having far more players in a couple weeks than Dust514 after time. The potential is there, complexity and interactivity in between two different games is an awesome concept but adding the Console factor imho is killing the bird before it learns to fly. Just an opinion of course, I'd probably be playing Dust514 instead of Planetside2 if Dust was on PC. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
conrad weller
Vicious Industrial Redrum Fleet
0
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:52:00 -
[65] - Quote
make it available on pc. problem solved. the main gripe i have about dust on the ps3 is the fps. its just not smooth enough for an fps game. and dont get me started with the graphics. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
344
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:21:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Dust514 could have probably a larger success on PC than console, I say "could" without any data to prove my point of view of course.
Well, ever since EA et al got on the campaign of cremating piracy, consoles became the platform to program for by these game companies.
The result is the next generation of gamer is now playing on consoles, instead of PCs (they're using laptops anyway).
These 2004 games were never designed for consoles.
Blizzard is losing a lot of subs because while players leave, the new gamers aren't replacing them... they're playing on consoles.
Used to be Wal-Mart had shelves of PC boxes at their stores (where WoW had a complete shelf for themselves). Now it's but a corner, while the XBox, PS3, and Wii display cases fill up the electronics section. Same with the game stores.
Without a media presence on those shelves, games aren't going to be played, as they're not noticed...and the new generation didn't hear of these 2004 games.
So in an effort to try to get SOME market share, devs have to go where the market is now.
Too early to see what Star Citizen will become (being a publicly invested game and made for PCs). But at this stage that's where PC gaming is being shelved too.
If CCP saw Activision-Blizzard's stock report, yeah, they moved it now. The writing is on the wall for PC gaming. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
246
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:10:00 -
[67] - Quote
conrad weller wrote:make it available on pc. problem solved. CCP signed an exclusive deal with Sony (read: major cash involved). CCP needed a network infrastructure for DUST; their existing infrastructure is EVE, so they would need to expand it which takes money. Sony undoubtedly made a much better offer in return for exclusive access than CCP could have hoped to have gotten on their own, building their own DUST-based infrastructure while developing and maintaining a cross-platform console-PC game..
If CCP could have released on PC, do you really think they'd willingly and purposefully hold back? Also, just think, as part of this deal, how many PS3 units do you think Sony has now sold due to EVE players wanting to play the game? Maybe not earth-shattering numbers, but it's greater than 0. And how many of those people, now that they own a PS3, might just go out and get another game?
It's all about money.
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Lilliana Stelles
815
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:22:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
You have every right to charge me a plex if you literally put a tinfoil hat on my avatar.
On an unrelated note, why does Dust get special attention while other failed projects don't? (cosmos, incarna...) there are better things they could be "fixing". Incarna from 2009. 3 Years later and what we have doesn't look half as good as this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
344
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:40:00 -
[69] - Quote
Meytal wrote:If CCP could have released on PC, do you really think they'd willingly and purposefully hold back? Also, just think, as part of this deal, how many PS3 units do you think Sony has now sold due to EVE players wanting to play the game? Maybe not earth-shattering numbers, but it's greater than 0. And how many of those people, now that they own a PS3, might just go out and get another game?
It's all about money.
They have to put down CoD and BF3 first.
With those 2 hogging the console FPS market DUST is a footnote.
Sony also kills their own PC division in the effort to push Playstation sales. EQII really suffered from a lack of promotion, and the inaction allowed Blizzard to steamroll ahead blanketing the stores with boxes. In a year, EQII was history.
Fierce market. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
156
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:52:00 -
[70] - Quote
Check http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust statistics to watch Dust go in the same direction as my nerfed to hell drop ship. (Hint: Down.) |
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
352
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:54:00 -
[71] - Quote
Captain Africa wrote:LMFAO at all you Nay sayers... For starters PS3 is ONLY resently landing in China ......There is this HUGE untapped goldmine ! Do you really think CCP is that stupid to invest into something that has no potential?
Did you just use the "it has potential" thing to describe China? Wanna buy some swamp land in Florida? It has "potential" to be great ocean front property! |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
233
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:28:00 -
[72] - Quote
Ramael Hashur wrote:I tried playing Dust 514 for four days. I tried really, really hard to like it. Dust failed me. Too many things were broken, and I left. I usually have a lot of patience for video games; I try to let them prove to me that they're worth playing. Dust just sucks. They're going to need to do a lot to that game to make people want to come back or new people to come period. This. And I am guessing from your presence here that you are DUST's most favored demographic, the player most likely to be most generous to it (i.e., the dedicated EvE player who either has a console already or got one just to play DUST, specifically because of the connection with EvE, which you're already invested in).
From the perspective of non-EvE players, the game is just amazingly bad in all the most important areas, starting with the terrible controls and horrendous, overcomplex EvE-esque loadout system that CCP insisted on shackling the game with, and just going downhill from there. Anyone who is not coming from years of playing EvE could care less about --- in most cases probably doesn't even know about --- the "EvE connection." What those players see after five minutes of struggling to play the game is an MMOFPS that is awful in every way compared with its polished competitors, which were made by game companies that know how to make shooters and have been doing so for years.
CCP basically designed this game to fail, by locking it into a niche market of a niche market (EvE bittervets who have or will buy consoles just for the gee-whiz factor of playing a shooter linked to their favorite MMO). And even among those players, the game still struggles because it's just . . . bad.
Not even hordes of Chinese ISK farmers can save the game at this point, because DUST (deliberately, and necessarily) is not and cannot be a conduit for farming ISK or anything else to sell into the deep market of EvE players. Even the bots and gold farmers are going to take one look and move on once they realize there is nothing of value to farm and nobody for them to sell to on the DUST side, and they have no access to the real market on the EvE side. |
Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
81
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:39:00 -
[73] - Quote
Captain Africa wrote:Do you really think CCP is that stupid to invest into something that has no potential?
CCP are not immune to making mistakes.
Personally I thought the player figures for Dust would be a lot higher, and I wonder how many of those playing Dust are EVE players?
I thought the whole point of having this FPS on the PS3 was to bring in a new (larger) audience and type of gamer, it doesn't seem to be a huge success at the moment, with bad reviews and dwindling player numbers. I hope it turns around as a more profitable CCP is good for EVE, or if it cant turn around it does not hurt CCP too much.
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Ilkahn
DisturbedGamers. The Explicit Alliance
41
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:53:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
NOW THAT i would spend my AUR that was given me... can you all whip up a tinfoil hat please? My toon would look bad arse with a tin foil hat. |
Soylent Jade
New Order Logistics CODE.
10
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:06:00 -
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Sebastien Starstrider wrote:uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success?
Yes because companies always make press releases announcing their new product is terrible and not living up to expectations. Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time
minerbumping.com |
Jarnis McPieksu
445
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:19:00 -
[76] - Quote
- Released decisively average F2P shooter to a dying platform. - When it didn't perform up to expectations, goes to double down the bet. - Is CCP
The only thing that might somehow save Dust is if they somehow magically pull PS4 and PC clients out of their hat within the next six months while fixing a ton of stupid away. PS3, while sporting a massive theoretical installed base, is dead. Existing PS3 users are pretty much concentrated on a few SCEJ/SCEA exclusives that have massive budgets and competent PS3-centric dev teams...
PS4 ships in a few months, all the "cool kids" will jump platforms (especially as it ships at such a low price point) and what's left of Dust 514 playerbase will go poof. |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:20:00 -
[77] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:If you look at the past month server population on DUST, you can notice the gradual decline. Which is predictable, people trying it out after it was released, not finding it to their liking, and not playing any longer. What you will eventually have left are the people who actually like DUST.
Yeah. I gave it a try, but aiming with a dualshock is meh at best.
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Dear CCP,
You can't polish a turd.
The Mythbusters were able to do that IRL. I can has blogging skills! |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1025
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:23:00 -
[78] - Quote
Are they actually going to fix Dust 514?
(Then make the fixes a DLC?) I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
204
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:29:00 -
[79] - Quote
Sebastien Starstrider wrote:uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success?
Succes dont make me laugh. Hey you have alittle brown stuff on your nose you should really wipe it off. F Dust they need to drop the project and devote their time to eve. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Jonny Monroe
Monroe enterprises
4
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:35:00 -
[80] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Chamile Eonic wrote:The faster Dust dies the better. Just imagine what Eve would be like today if all those millions of pounds and Dev hours had been invested into Eve ISK. The currency of Iceland is ISK, not pounds. Pounds are for stagnant nations that refuse to accept that the sun isn't perpetually rising on their 'empire' anymore.
Actually, the sun never sets on the British Empire:
http://what-if.xkcd.com/48/ |
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
344
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:41:00 -
[81] - Quote
Freighdee Katt wrote:From the perspective of non-EvE players, the game is just amazingly bad in all the most important areas, starting with the terrible controls and horrendous, overcomplex EvE-esque loadout system that CCP insisted on shackling the game with, and just going downhill from there.
Can say something about EvE in that regard: Spent over 5mins trying to get my ship out of a structure, as it ping ponged through a hole in it, as the waypoint drew it right into the hole in the first place. Got trapped by the tanks inside, then had to find SOME waypoint point out of the hole, so the ship could ping pong out of it.
This ship bouncing off of things is for the birds. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Alundil
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
216
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:48:00 -
[82] - Quote
Liafcipe9000 wrote:CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY also if tinfoil hats were to be in the game, that would be an epic win :D also pirate hats! MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP New mining mini-game, calling it now.
"Reynolds" Gaussian Mining Beam Al-CoA seeds to be found on SiSi Soon (tm) |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
679
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:50:00 -
[83] - Quote
Sebastien Starstrider wrote:uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success?
Yes, they would never admit they screwed up.....
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
1129
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:50:00 -
[84] - Quote
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
I'll BUY 2 from NEX... especially the faction TinfoilHATGäó that gives +6% to likes on forums and +10% to EVE is DYINGGäó threads An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
820
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:52:00 -
[85] - Quote
Oh noes! I just bought a Cadillac and I demand that GM not loan any of those engineers to Vauxhall to help that division... of the same corporation... so that the entire corporation grows and prospers...
Some of you people really need to open a book and read about how businesses are run.
If you want Eve to continue then you need to understand that CCP, like any game studio, can't survive on a single (ten year old, by the way) niche game. They must diversify and bring new products to market in order to attract new customers. Expecting the company to continue growing and making profits ad infinitum on the back of a single product is dangerously naive. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1215
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:01:00 -
[86] - Quote
Sour Jelly wrote:I think CCP should start making basketball shoes after DUST starts breaking records, along with clothing and accessories for urban youths. They can pick up where Tommy Hilfiger left off.
But NO WiS! That's crazy, remember the statue?
Well, with an ex-EA man's influence, those shoes may be an item you can buy in game soon. Along with no more patches, just payable DLC's to keep running EVE. Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse CEO Sanctuary Pact Alliance --áSanctuary Pact |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4330
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:01:00 -
[87] - Quote
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:- Released decisively average F2P shooter to a dying platform. - When it didn't perform up to expectations, goes to double down the bet. - Is CCP
The only thing that might somehow save Dust is if they somehow magically pull PS4 and PC clients out of their hat within the next six months while fixing a ton of stupid away. PS3, while sporting a massive theoretical installed base, is dead. Existing PS3 users are pretty much concentrated on a few SCEJ/SCEA exclusives that have massive budgets and competent PS3-centric dev teams...
PS4 ships in a few months, all the "cool kids" will jump platforms (especially as it ships at such a low price point) and what's left of Dust 514 playerbase will go poof. They've already said that a PS4 version would not be an obstacle. Since the bulk of the code is run on the servers, the actual client isn't that difficult to modify for the new platform apparently. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Sister Sophia
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:44:00 -
[88] - Quote
Anabella Rella wrote:They must diversify and bring new products to market in order to attract new customers. Expecting the company to continue growing and making profits ad infinitum on the back of a single product is dangerously naive.
Dangerously naive question: why do they need to keep growing?
Why not just pour all the energy into making EVE absolutely excellent (fixing all the bugs, adding depth, fixing graphics, and so on)? This would keep the old player base -- a good chunk of which is past 30yo, has plenty of money, and doesn't really care for bling. That in turn would pay the bills for CCP and give them a product that would potentially last for ever. New players would come in at a slow and steady rate as the reputation of the game for difficult, intelligent, and mature content spread. EVE could be a real classic.
So why the need to keep expanding on the basis of gee-wizz-bang flash projects?
Thanks in advance for your answer. |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:49:00 -
[89] - Quote
Honestly DUST is the future of the EVE Online Universe.
I mean look at Call of Duty. If CCP were able to emulateCoD for DUST it would be highly successful. They already have the FPS base, it should be easy to push it in that direction. Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Forum Representative GÇ£A leader leads by example, not by forceGÇ¥-á-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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Sour Jelly
14
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Posted - 2013.07.02 20:38:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Oh noes! I just bought a Cadillac and I demand that GM not loan any of those engineers to Vauxhall to help that division... of the same corporation... so that the entire corporation grows and prospers... Some of you people really need to open a book and read about how businesses are run. If you want Eve to continue then you need to understand that CCP, like any game studio, can't survive on a single (ten year old, by the way) niche game. They must diversify and bring new products to market in order to attract new customers. Expecting the company to continue growing and making profits ad infinitum on the back of a single product is dangerously naive.
What you said doesn't make DUST a better game or a worthwhile investment of anything
A child's lemonade stand is a much better bet. Actually you know, if they started selling Quafe soft drinks that has/had a much larger chance of success than DUST ever did.
People have been saying this is stupid since it was announced years ago and we were right. |
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
588
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Posted - 2013.07.02 20:43:00 -
[91] - Quote
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
EA strategy? |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
354
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Posted - 2013.07.02 20:59:00 -
[92] - Quote
Sister Sophia wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:They must diversify and bring new products to market in order to attract new customers. Expecting the company to continue growing and making profits ad infinitum on the back of a single product is dangerously naive. Dangerously naive question: why do they need to keep growing?
If for anything money.
Businesses are in business to make a profit. They wouldn't exist otherwise.
Plus, they have to stay competitive and relevant in the industry. Otherwise they'll be regarded as AA or even an A game producer. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Short Stack122
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.07.02 20:59:00 -
[93] - Quote
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!
Gaming company takes money it made from one game and used it to develop another! In this unheard of event CCP Games has single handedly overturned the way all companies look at gaming!
more breaking news to come |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
354
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Posted - 2013.07.02 21:02:00 -
[94] - Quote
Short Stack122 wrote:BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!
Gaming company takes money it made from one game and used it to develop another! In this unheard of event CCP Games has single handedly overturned the way all companies look at gaming!
more breaking news to come
What's funny is the norm of hiding a little money in the budget for prototyping. Otherwise they'll have to file for funds for it too, which is a hassle. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
234
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Posted - 2013.07.02 21:38:00 -
[95] - Quote
Sister Sophia wrote:Dangerously naive question: why do they need to keep growing? Even if we assume they do need to grow, the bigger problem is that DUST is no answer to this question. You don't "grow" by letting your flagship, cash cow product rot on the vine and betting the farm on a game with a shaky premise, built by people with any abysmal lack of clue about how FPS games work, aimed at a market that you do not understand (or which doesn't even exist . . . take your pick), and competing with established franchises that are decades ahead of you in experience and execution. |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
234
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Posted - 2013.07.02 21:42:00 -
[96] - Quote
Zah Damaja wrote:I mean look at Call of Duty. If CCP were able to emulate CoD for DUST it would be highly successful. They already have the FPS base, it should be easy to push it in that direction. If CCP had any clue how to emulate CoD, they might have a chance. DUST proves with shocking clarity that they do not. |
Nijaza
Nomadic Tendencies
6
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Posted - 2013.07.03 10:20:00 -
[97] - Quote
Dear CCP,
Please ignore the whiners. I appreciate the FPS shooting-in-the-face route you have taken. I also don'd mind your diverting Devs to help Dust grow. Honestly, the two free expansions a year standard you set for yourselves ( and now are held too) has caused many EVE players to expect more new S@#$ and attention then a kid in a candy store. Although I dont play Dust ( barely have time for EVE) I find the idea (and link) awesome.
On a side note, to all the people in this thread who are complaining about Devs being transfered to Dust, or claiming it is a Titanic...consider what you would have CCP do. Abandon it? I'm sure if they took that route there would be whining about that as well.
PS: Maybe every FPS should just copy COD, that way we could have a freaking great time comparing them all. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
358
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Posted - 2013.07.03 11:08:00 -
[98] - Quote
Nijaza wrote:PS: Maybe every FPS should just copy COD, that way we could have a freaking great time comparing them all.
Nooooo.....
CoD isn't what a MMO needs. BF can be (it's team based like a MMO). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
208
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:45:00 -
[99] - Quote
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
And the microtranactions begin. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Nijaza
Nomadic Tendencies
6
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Posted - 2013.07.03 14:56:00 -
[100] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Nijaza wrote:PS: Maybe every FPS should just copy COD, that way we could have a freaking great time comparing them all. Nooooo..... CoD isn't what a MMO needs. BF can be (it's team based like a MMO).
...if only there was a font that would more clearly show sarcasm
here for the Dusties http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEqhJqudKOY |
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Nox Solitudo
Space Ants
23
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Posted - 2013.07.03 15:29:00 -
[101] - Quote
Caitlyn Tufy wrote: WoW stuff
You know what, I am not surprised at all that the best summary I've ever read about what happened to WoW can be found on EVE forums.
I salute you, and For the Horde!
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
2555
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Posted - 2013.07.03 15:46:00 -
[102] - Quote
Just to clarify something: Just because we're hiring into Dust doesn't affect the total number of slots working on EVE. If anyone jumps to another project, that slot will be re-hired (Fozzie was a re-hire for a Dust transfer for example).
The tl;dr is that the expansions will continue churning at an unchanged pace.
Soundwave out |
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
198
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Posted - 2013.07.03 15:51:00 -
[103] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Fozzie was a re-hire for a Dust transfer for example.
You moved one third of the Eve devs in one go?
Fear God and Thread Nought |
Inari Kobayashi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.07.03 16:09:00 -
[104] - Quote
But heh - you have got to admit that whoever named it DUST deserves a medal - it is exactly what it (and their money) has become...
Truly prescient |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2013.07.03 16:29:00 -
[105] - Quote
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Dear CCP,
You can't polish a turd. Of course you can.
The result won't be pretty, though. Really, it won't... "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3839
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Posted - 2013.07.03 23:14:00 -
[106] - Quote
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat
That's pretty cheap by Noble Exchange standards
But seriously, hats! Where are they?
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
220
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Posted - 2013.07.03 23:30:00 -
[107] - Quote
I hope some of those people getting hired will be working on the PVE content.... Can't wait!!! Some day I will have the internet and be able to play again. |
reservent
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:43:00 -
[108] - Quote
Sebastian N Cain wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Dear CCP,
You can't polish a turd. Of course you can. The result won't be pretty, though. Really, it won't...
Take the Revenant for example.
http://img.infinint.net/d/2497-1/revenant.jpg
Totally been done before by CCP |
Hicksimus
Hyperion Corporation
182
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:01:00 -
[109] - Quote
reservent wrote:Sebastian N Cain wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Dear CCP,
You can't polish a turd. Of course you can. The result won't be pretty, though. Really, it won't... Take the Revenant for example. http://img.infinint.net/d/2497-1/revenant.jpgTotally been done before by CCP
I made a Revenant in the toilet first thing this morning. Do you have it? |
Ellahan Vhektor
DIVERGENT PROXY
10
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Posted - 2013.07.04 06:32:00 -
[110] - Quote
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Selling Tinfoil hats !!!
1plex per hat omg yes this i'll take 3! GòöGòùGòæGòæ GòöGòùGòæGòæGòª Gòª-áGòªGòªGòöGòù GòöGòù GòªGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòù GòæGòæGòáGòú GòÜGòùGòáGòúGòæ Gòæ-áGòæGòæGòÜGòù GòáGòú GòæGòáGòúGòáGòúGòáGò¥ GòÜGò¥GòæGòæ GòÜGò¥GòæGòæGò¬ Gòæ-áGò¬GòæGòÜGò¥ GòæGòæ GòæGòæGòÜGòæGòæGòæ
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Thandra Thul
Section 8. Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:07:00 -
[111] - Quote
It was obvious from the get-go that DUST would be a flop.
I honestly don't know how this project was given the thumbs up. All that time and effort put into incarna and DUST could have accomplished some pretty amazing things in EVE. |
Chamile Eonic
The Church of MDAMC
19
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:43:00 -
[112] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Just to clarify something: Just because we're hiring into Dust doesn't affect the total number of slots working on EVE. If anyone jumps to another project, that slot will be re-hired (Fozzie was a re-hire for a Dust transfer for example). The tl;dr is that the expansions will continue churning at an unchanged pace. Soundwave out
I bet it keeps you up at night; thinking about how much more you could have done with Eve if you had all the resources they used on Dust.
What are the top 5 things you would have used the extra resources to add to eve in the last 3/4 years?
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
604
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:46:00 -
[113] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Just to clarify something: Just because we're hiring into Dust doesn't affect the total number of slots working on EVE. If anyone jumps to another project, that slot will be re-hired (Fozzie was a re-hire for a Dust transfer for example). The tl;dr is that the expansions will continue churning at an unchanged pace. Soundwave out
Unchanged pace? So its still slow then :( |
Aprudena Gist
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:59:00 -
[114] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Just to clarify something: Just because we're hiring into Dust doesn't affect the total number of slots working on EVE. If anyone jumps to another project, that slot will be re-hired (Fozzie was a re-hire for a Dust transfer for example). The tl;dr is that the expansions will continue churning at an unchanged pace. Soundwave out You move the only reasonably okay eve dev to the **** game? yeah that will turn out well for eve. No wonder kill2 has been doing ******** things when it comes to ships. |
Fatbear
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
34
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Posted - 2013.07.04 09:57:00 -
[115] - Quote
Aprudena Gist wrote: You move the only reasonably okay eve dev to the **** game? yeah that will turn out well for eve. No wonder kill2 has been doing ******** things when it comes to ships.
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it? |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1250
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Posted - 2013.07.04 09:59:00 -
[116] - Quote
What I fear worst of all is.....what about the children? Who will take care of them? HTFU!...for the children! |
Glasgow Dunlop
Gigaverse The Imperial Senate
80
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:32:00 -
[117] - Quote
The thing is with dust however, it does have the grounding to be a really good game.
Another thing with dust is that you can always sweep it under the carpet or throw it out a window and its gone, and you have a nice clean room, for more EVE
And what is the quintessential essence of Dust Anyways? twitter: @glasgowdunlop-á GLASGOW MEET JULY 13TH http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=229549&find=unread
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
362
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Posted - 2013.07.04 12:07:00 -
[118] - Quote
Chamile Eonic wrote:I bet it keeps you up at night; thinking about how much more you could have done with Eve if you had all the resources they used on Dust.
What are the top 5 things you would have used the extra resources to add to eve in the last 3/4 years?
What resources?
Sandbox game with the reason why sandbox games get such negative PR -- lack of content, as the players are the types that like unfinished, non-polished games and fight to keep them so. Rather tinker in the grim, than taking a hot shower and change that underwear.
Jesus A. Christ. You have devs moderating the game forum. That's how much EvE operates on a shoestring (let alone how bad game mechanics are if they can't trust anyone else to do the job), it can't even have a community manager let alone moderators vetted enough to be trusted to moderate their own forum.
Get those heads out of the sand, and look at the bigger picture. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.07.04 13:24:00 -
[119] - Quote
Jackie Fisher wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Fozzie was a re-hire for a Dust transfer for example.
You moved one third of the Eve devs in one go?
Blizzard moved 80 of it's devs off of Titan and reassigned them to other projects. Titan is still being developed (probably the bare staff to redesign from scratch). It happens.
As long as they're not fired, they're still producing.
80. That's how many those top 2 game companies put on AAA titles. Regular factory of devs. That's how the big boys get the games out and have them so polished. And that costs money. MMOs are topping 100 million dollars now for current tech and concept MMOs. MMO 2.0, I don't even want to fathom what Blizzard is sinking into Titan. 25 million a month? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
240
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Posted - 2013.07.04 16:34:00 -
[120] - Quote
Glasgow Dunlop wrote:The thing is with dust however, it does have the grounding to be a really good game. It has about as much in common with a well grounded FPS as Minesweeper does.
That's its problem: As a shooter game, it gets none of the basics right, which means nobody cares about the one marginal gimmick that it has which other shooters don't. As IGN put it, the entire sum of the "EvE Connection," seen from the perspective of a DUST player, is "not particularly distinguishable from Modern Warfare's predator drone."
It has doods running around with guns. In that sense, yeah, it has at two things that you expect to see in a shooter. Beyond that, as a shooter, it is uninspired and badly done. CCP has done nothing up to his point, and has shown nothing coming on the near horizon, that is going to change the fact that it is baffling, frustrating, and annoying for non-EvE players to get into, and it offers no discernible reward in return for the effort demanded by its stupidly high learning curve and punishing grind. |
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Paul Castrin
Legio XX Valeria Victrix
0
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Posted - 2013.07.04 16:58:00 -
[121] - Quote
Chamile Eonic wrote:Sebastien Starstrider wrote:uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success? I have no idea how much money CCP are making from the game, but its easy enough to see how many people are playing http://eve-offline.net/?server=dustIt peaked out at about 8000 concurrent players and dropped as low as 4000 with a small increase recently. these are small numbers for a free to play game. Reviews have been pretty terrible so far. Most of the positive ones talk more about potential than what the game is today. Its possible the game could be OK one day, it just sucks seeing Eve funds sucked out even more to prop Dust up until/if it becomes profitable.
Anybody here remember when EVE had only 5000 players on at most? I do.
I also don't recall reviews being very kind, actually I don't think anyone reviewed it at all the first couple of years.
Potential is a good thing regardless of where Dust is at now in it's cycle. Look around here for proof.
Peace.
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Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
0
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Posted - 2013.07.04 21:08:00 -
[122] - Quote
Freighdee Katt wrote: CCP has done nothing up to his point, and has shown nothing coming on the near horizon, that is going to change the fact that it is baffling, frustrating, and annoying for non-EvE players to get into, and it offers no discernible reward in return for the effort demanded by its stupidly high learning curve and punishing grind.
Heck, it's even baffling for an EvE player to get into. Maybe if the Xbox One launched bundled with MS Office then Dustbin 514 might have a chance on that console.
If I fire up a console game on my TV I'm not looking for a deep, intellectual, long term planning, slow burning game. I'm looking to kill half an hour with something fun and pointless. And even though I have the ps3 and xbox360 I find myself doing that on my tablet far more often these days.
Dust is a pure pay2win eve clone set on the ground. It contains many of the same features that require being a Sperglord to succeed, without any of the rewards you could receive for being the same in EvE (as you have said).
And on top of that I'm competing with others mostly through the size of my wallet -- I do that enough in RL as is, I'm not looking for that type of game play in my escapism.
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Arduemont
The Asteroid Solution
1582
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Posted - 2013.07.05 12:19:00 -
[123] - Quote
Sebastian N Cain wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Dear CCP,
You can't polish a turd. Of course you can. The result won't be pretty, though. Really, it won't...
You never watch the myth busters episode on this? At the end you really couldn't tell that it was a turd. It looked like a precious stone. There's a message there somewhere... "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Felicity Love
Interstellar Booty Hunters
717
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Posted - 2013.07.05 12:35:00 -
[124] - Quote
This is one of the classic mistakes a company makes, just throwing more people at a project or product development that has little to no longterm viability -- and yes, this will end badly.
"Badly" being a relative term when the pink slips arrive.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
368
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Posted - 2013.07.05 12:58:00 -
[125] - Quote
Clair Bear wrote:And on top of that I'm competing with others mostly through the size of my wallet -- I do that enough in RL as is, I'm not looking for that type of game play in my escapism.
Sum of it.
F2P or what it really is P2W is a death to a game. It doesn't expect much, won't over much, but it can operate for pennies and stay around. It caters to whales (and what will become of them, dinosaurs), who want something special for their dime. The results are predictable as gamers see it in the 100001 F2P/P2W games out there.
BF3 can get away with DLC as well as EvE, as both have a built in community that's put too much time into the franchise to just leave. A new game doesn't have that backbone. If it's not successful at release, there's no going back, it's dead. MMOs are cruel for this, RIFT and SWTOR are examples of over 100 million dollars down the drain. What they offered wasn't enough to keep players playing (bottom line in games).
I don't play DUST not because it wouldn't be interesting to try it out, but I haven't had a console since '78, and have no interest to start today. Very niched offering. And frankly, I played BF2142 and that memory is special (most fun I ever had in a game), to play something similar would make that vanish, to be replaced by all the current issues and gripes. Want to remember it as I left it, a couple days after that DICE competition (like the day I left EQII after that nasty avatar guild got it's due). A fine memory to always remember.
DUST like EvE needs a larger audience. Xbox, PS4 and PC. And not be P2W. We're not all whales, we'll pay our keep, but despise being nickel and dimed to play. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Rebson
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:05:00 -
[126] - Quote
I think PC version would have make more sense.
I would probably play it on PC , ALT-TAB between EVE and Dust would have been fun. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
2293
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:08:00 -
[127] - Quote
Chamile Eonic wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Just to clarify something: Just because we're hiring into Dust doesn't affect the total number of slots working on EVE. If anyone jumps to another project, that slot will be re-hired (Fozzie was a re-hire for a Dust transfer for example). The tl;dr is that the expansions will continue churning at an unchanged pace. Soundwave out I bet it keeps you up at night; thinking about how much more you could have done with Eve if you had all the resources they used on Dust. What are the top 5 things you would have used the extra resources to add to eve in the last 3/4 years?
Did you see the mic being dropped?
That means your goading is now irrelevant.
Biomass.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
673
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:24:00 -
[128] - Quote
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Dear CCP,
You can't polish a turd.
Sorry but the infallible benchmark of all things says you can....
Mythbusters - polishing a turd
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
1347
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:00:00 -
[129] - Quote
Dust will do fine. It's reception has been luke warm lately, but I can only imagine how much other developers are investing in counter reviews just to keep it below their blockbuster titles.
Dust is actually a decent games with a lot of rough edges, but for a first time AAA title, it's got the foundation to be one of the most successful out there and I genuinely believe that in time, it will become one of the premiere FPS's on the market.
At this point, anyone calling for Dust's head is pretty short sighted and ignorant. CCP Branching out to other mediums and reinforcing Dust, the EVE VR and the mobile games/apps success will mean good things for EVE long term. Not being able to see this means you are closed minded and need to stop treating CCP as your girlfriend who is not allowed to play the field.
Get a grip.
Dual Pane idea: Click!
CCP Please Implement |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
368
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:41:00 -
[130] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:Dust is actually a decent games with a lot of rough edges, but for a first time AAA title
BF2142 was AAA. DUST is not.
It becomes an AAA title when it has the numbers to prove it; it has market presence; people know it by name; and it has all the bells and whistles a studio can throw at it to compete with likewise games of the genre. DUST would have to compete with CoD and BF3 and offer equal or better features to be considered AAA. You're talking about close to 100 million dollar development games.
It's an AA title so far.
Bringing in the EA guy it could get there, though (and once it's multiplatform -- have to have all three now to compete). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
98
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Posted - 2013.07.05 15:27:00 -
[131] - Quote
Paul Castrin wrote:Chamile Eonic wrote:Sebastien Starstrider wrote:uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success? I have no idea how much money CCP are making from the game, but its easy enough to see how many people are playing http://eve-offline.net/?server=dustIt peaked out at about 8000 concurrent players and dropped as low as 4000 with a small increase recently. these are small numbers for a free to play game. Reviews have been pretty terrible so far. Most of the positive ones talk more about potential than what the game is today. Its possible the game could be OK one day, it just sucks seeing Eve funds sucked out even more to prop Dust up until/if it becomes profitable. Anybody here remember when EVE had only 5000 players on at most? I do. I also don't recall reviews being very kind, actually I don't think anyone reviewed it at all the first couple of years. Potential is a good thing regardless of where Dust is at now in it's cycle. Look around here for proof. Peace.
EVE is unique of itself whereas dust is a poorly done FPS whose micro-transaction system, poor mechanics, and little returns on time invested makes it bad.
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StarMage Yoma
Knights of Civilization
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 16:09:00 -
[132] - Quote
Karsa Egivand wrote:Chamile Eonic wrote:Sebastien Starstrider wrote:uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success? I have no idea how much money CCP are making from the game, but its easy enough to see how many people are playing http://eve-offline.net/?server=dustIt peaked out at about 8000 concurrent players and dropped as low as 4000 with a small increase recently. these are small numbers for a free to play game. Reviews have been pretty terrible so far. Most of the positive ones talk more about potential than what the game is today. Its possible the game could be OK one day, it just sucks seeing Eve funds sucked out even more to prop Dust up until/if it becomes profitable. I've been pretty bearish on Dust since its release and I see no reason to change that opinion. I understand that CCP will give it some time, but I doubt they'll ever recover the money they spent on it. I hope they haven't sunk so much money into it that they'll have trouble re: Eve's development.
I believe they made the money they spent on it already, solely from being "exclusive" title. You figure out the rest. |
Katsumoto Moliko
Salient Logistics Inc. The Explicit Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.07.05 16:36:00 -
[133] - Quote
Dust is precisely what it was back in the day: a pet project.
Honestly, I think the better idea would be to keep the talented developers working on EVE, and transfer some of the newer developers to work on DUST.
The reason being is that EVE developers are used to developing for EVE: that entails MMO mechanics, working with the specific game engine, etc. There is a world of difference between an FPS and an MMO. With one team learning the ropes and gaining experience specific to shooters, and the dedicated (and experienced) EVE team keeping us happy, CCP can save themselves a lot of trouble in the future.
Blizzard could justify pulling the A team off of WoW because they were MMO developers working on another MMO. CCP needs to dedicate a special team for building and maintaining an FPS, because while said developers are undeniably talented at developing MMO's, MMOs are hardly similar to shooters.
Think of it as a team of specialized mansion builders trying to build a hospital. Sure, you CAN have them build a hospital, but they will focus more on aesthetics than practicability, space constraints, medical facility requirements, etc. whereas a hospital team will probably build it a lot more efficiently, the final product will operate much more smoothly, and they will probably be far better at maintaining it, too.
EDIT: I wouldn't mind them doing more work on EVR, if anything. That is amazing on its own two feet, imagine what it can do with some TLC! |
Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:03:00 -
[134] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:RIFT and SWTOR are examples of over 100 million dollars down the drain. What they offered wasn't enough to keep players playing (bottom line in games).
FYI SWTOR is doing just fine as F2P, as are many games. You speak with so much authority on subject about which you seem to know so very little. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
368
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:15:00 -
[135] - Quote
Verunae Caseti wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:RIFT and SWTOR are examples of over 100 million dollars down the drain. What they offered wasn't enough to keep players playing (bottom line in games). FYI SWTOR is doing just fine as F2P, as are many games. You speak with so much authority on subjecst about which you seem to know so very little.
SWTOR is dead. You're used to playing dead games and can't see otherwise.
SWTOR wasn't a sandbox game. It's a typical George Lucas game that gets botched, just like SWG (which I warned folks about, because he interferes with development...NGE for example. People blamed SOE over it, but they are only licensed to have made it, Lucas had full control in what he wanted presented. Same with SWTOR, and only recently did he sell off the rights. DICE now has gotten the contract).
Yeah, I do know something about these games. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Heh if you don't worry about progress and content of next 1-2 years then CCP personnel changes mean nothing. CCP is taking the long view that EVE and DUST will be around for at least 10 more years.
But focusing on that next 6-18 months yeah CCP personnel policy effect EVE negatively without question. Eh if people are burned out work on EVE is one thing. But pressured or enticed to move to DUST is another.
New hires take weeks to become productive in EVE even if they worked EVE before (laid off in big roll back couple years ago) and it can be a couple months if they are true MMO rookies and have no familiarity with CCP development environment.
So really it would be better for EVE if DUST got the new hires.
And since DUST is still sort of clueless as to where its going and how it wil get there...new hire can be absorbed more organically as the future becomes more clear.
But I am sure that CCP is making personnel moves more with an eye to settling concerns of DUST investors. To the uninformed moving successful personnel with history of success in one enterprise to an ailing enterprise seems like moving success itself.
Although that effect is delayed and not always true due to changes in skill sets, I suppose in the longer run there is some truth to idea of picking from a pool of people who have already proven they can be MMO succesful. One big conceptual change from EVE to DUST is that EVE ignores LCOs as obstructions to combat weapon fire whereas its the central idea to DUST. So lots DUST is lots more complex tactically and cannot use EVE shortcuts to efficiency. |
Steirmann
Interstellar Machines
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Posted - 2013.07.06 03:47:00 -
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Spend a lot of time and money customising your fit - check
Get shot in the back or ganked by mega-corps as soon as you step out the door - check
Realise that none of it matters since everything is already controlled by the same cliques of players that have been in control for years - check.
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Chamile Eonic
The Church of MDAMC
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Posted - 2013.07.07 10:22:00 -
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Paul Castrin wrote:Anybody here remember when EVE had only 5000 players on at most? I do. I also don't recall reviews being very kind, actually I don't think anyone reviewed it at all the first couple of years. Potential is a good thing regardless of where Dust is at now in it's cycle. Look around here for proof. Peace.
Apples and Oranges.
Eve was pretty much the only space sim back when there were very few MMOs. It was unique in its single server universe, economy, and allowing the meta game to happen. It was a true niche game.
Over the years there has been pretty much zero competition within CCPs niche. Even today there are no MMO space sims that have tried to recreate a living universe. This has allowed CCP to make many mistakes that would really have cost devs in other areas.
Dust is going head to head with the biggest and richest players in the market. They have the talent, money and brands. To make matters worse CCP is known for its SOON tm. CCP has never been a dev that can get content out the door quickly. And to make them even worse currently Dust is a pretty crappy FPS.
CCP say don't worry we will add content. Who here really thinks that CCP will be able to produce content that will not only keep up as the battlefield franchise release battlefield 4, 5, 6 etc.? but also catch up/ |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:25:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Dear CCP,
You can't polish a turd. But you *can*...it just takes a lot of work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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