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gokkuma
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Posted - 2005.12.02 07:28:00 -
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Hi - 5 medium diminishing nosferatu
Mid - Large SB t2, 3 hardeners t2, tracking disruptor t2
Low - 3 PDU t2, copro t2
Drone - 5 heavies t2?
*does chapel show GTA skit*
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.12.02 07:30:00 -
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wth, all of a sudden it changed my default character for posting... bah whatever.
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Andrea Jaruwalski
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Posted - 2005.12.02 07:36:00 -
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your target warping out, Priceless. For everything thing else that idiocy can't buy. there's whinercard 
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.02 07:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
your target warping out, Priceless. For everything thing else that idiocy can't buy. there's whinercard
Forums > Settings > KilROCK > Check - Default character.
Won't happen again tonight.. Gah 
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Vexoth
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Posted - 2005.12.02 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: Vexoth on 02/12/2005 07:39:41
What the other person said, replace a tracking disruptor with a warp scrambler.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2005.12.02 07:55:00 -
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No replace one hardener with a scrambler and another with an invulnerability field, and one PDU II with a damage control II (and if it doesn't fit, change another PDU II for a RCU II). And while you're at it, shuck the last hardener and get some propulsion (or atleast a web if the fitting is getting tight) 
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.12.02 07:55:00 -
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lol its nice to see people who think that this ship isnt overpowered. I really hope to be flying one of these things unnerfed. Sure you can replace a hardener or the disruptor with scramble or web easily. but in my defense, how will you stop it from warping when you yourself have no cap? 5 medium nos with a 100% bonus, thats 10 medium nos, equal to more then 3 heavy nos, with a 200% range bonus. Only the gallente recon might have a chance of scrambling at that range, and it would have to be faction. faction nos on the other hand......
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.02 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 02/12/2005 08:00:41
Originally by: Randay
lol its nice to see people who think that this ship isnt overpowered. I really hope to be flying one of these things unnerfed. Sure you can replace a hardener or the disruptor with scramble or web easily. but in my defense, how will you stop it from warping when you yourself have no cap? 5 medium nos with a 100% bonus, thats 10 medium nos, equal to more then 3 heavy nos, with a 200% range bonus. Only the gallente recon might have a chance of scrambling at that range, and it would have to be faction. faction nos on the other hand......
The point is, You say this ship is better than the ishtar. You engage it, nos it. Your drones get killed. You can stay there, nos it to death. While his drones are on you. Or you'll warp out because he has no cap left?
Get real, Even if you cycle your nos to suck him every second, Any smart pilot will just turn his nos right back on you. Scramble you as you try to get out.
If you warp out, the ishtar wins. And the debate is over.
Yes, the ship is overpowered right now. It should have a smaller drone bay, but CCP are victim of their own ****ty system to reduce the lag by cutting the drone bay.
They had only one cruiser left that wasnt used as T2. Too bad it has to fall on a cruiser like the arbitrator, which i hope doesn't give his t2 brother his drone bonuses, since they DON'T seem to be on it right now.
Well i'll be damned it does have the bonus, Freaking crappy CCP and their DEV who don't play the game or they'd see this is nonsense.
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.12.02 08:07:00 -
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kilrock.... just... lol. just stop bleeding that other arguement in here. its a ship setup, nothing more.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.02 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 02/12/2005 08:14:09
Originally by: Randay
kilrock.... just... lol. just stop bleeding that other arguement in here. its a ship setup, nothing more.
Well for the sake of balance, i'll stop saying the ishtar is better than the curse, because obviously it depends on the pilot.
The Curse is a khanid ship, Oddly enough... Roleplay wise, it was pointed out by someone else that this ship should be replaced by the pilgrim model. Since obvously the pilgrim is amarr and amarr having a cloak device isn't really fitting it.
I think this ship will become the most popular ship and a new standard for whoring your opponent. If whining about their sacrilege didn't help, It made the Dev go sentimental, and make them have another, nossing freak ship, but this time it has more firepower than his HAC brother..
To make this ship balanced... It would need either, his drone bay reduced to it's more efficient to use medium drones, but that would make people whine because it's based on the arbitrator and that ship would need to be nerfed up to match the Curse.
But hell, why not? Gallente are the drone race, and i don't see why an amarr ship should be getting the same exact drone bonus. Arbitrator bonus need to be changed. No more drones for little amarr.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.12.02 08:23:00 -
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Stop trolling his post with your bull**** whines please.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.02 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Stop trolling his post with your bull**** whines please.
You just can't admit it's overpowered because you don't want anyone to nerf down a notch your precious curse 
I think Randay was being sarcastic with this topic to start with on how badly overpowered this ship is. So it's not really whining, it's assisting.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2005.12.02 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
lol its nice to see people who think that this ship isnt overpowered. I really hope to be flying one of these things unnerfed. Sure you can replace a hardener or the disruptor with scramble or web easily. but in my defense, how will you stop it from warping when you yourself have no cap? 5 medium nos with a 100% bonus, thats 10 medium nos, equal to more then 3 heavy nos, with a 200% range bonus. Only the gallente recon might have a chance of scrambling at that range, and it would have to be faction. faction nos on the other hand......
actually with a 100% bonus 1 med nosf is a little bit better (actually 50%+ better) than a heavy nosf. look at their cycle times, a medium will drain 30 every 6 seconds, or 60 every 12, a heavy nosf drains 100 every 12. medium nosf is 40% weaker, with skills its 60% stronger than a heavy nosf. 5 of those will nuke a ships cap so incredibly fast... ITS ONLY weakness is drones, and drones are a bit beefier in patch sooo....
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.02 08:39:00 -
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Once again Aradon is missing something,
What is this curse and when did it arrive? any linkage available?
Cheers in advance
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2005.12.02 08:47:00 -
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Meh, stop whining about the Curse. It's not overpowered if you stop to think about it for more than a second. It's got crap resists on shields and not enough low slots to armor tank. And anyone carrying heavy drones on the Curse is putting all their eggs in one basket as they won't have room for reserves.
On the other hand, plated Ishtar with 5 drone control mods will rip through Curse with it's 10 TII heavies long before it's in any real danger itself. 
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.12.02 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nybbas
ITS ONLY weakness is drones, and drones are a bit beefier in patch sooo....
I guess low resists, lower hp, less lows to tank with, heavier and slower don't count as weak areas?
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.02 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
On the other hand, plated Ishtar with 5 drone control mods will rip through Curse with it's 10 TII heavies long before it's in any real danger itself.
5pg 75cpu each, The ishtar already being short on cpu without them, SURE!
Never going to happen with current ishtar setups Trends.
Just 5 of those in highs and you're pretty much screwed for the rest of the fitting.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2005.12.02 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: gokkuma
Mid - Large SB t2
Is that a 'large signal booster' or doesn't someone know where smartbombs go? :P
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.12.02 09:10:00 -
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It completely disables the capacitor of many ships in 2 volleys at 30km range that is pretty powerful.
No ship that uses capacitor for weapons will withstand its noferatu *****and no ship will be able to warpscramble it because it has stolen all their energy.
Only way to beat it is to jam it, and it still has drones coming at you. :)
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.02 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
Originally by: gokkuma
Mid - Large SB t2
Is that a 'large signal booster' or doesn't someone know where smartbombs go? :P
LMFAO
Large Shield Booster anyone?
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.12.02 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nybbas
actually with a 100% bonus 1 med nosf is a little bit better (actually 50%+ better) than a heavy nosf. look at their cycle times, a medium will drain 30 every 6 seconds, or 60 every 12, a heavy nosf drains 100 every 12. medium nosf is 40% weaker, with skills its 60% stronger than a heavy nosf. 5 of those will nuke a ships cap so incredibly fast... ITS ONLY weakness is drones, and drones are a bit beefier in patch sooo....
oh yeah haha, even better. and can you imagine with a full set of implants. baahlgorn aint got sh on it.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2005.12.02 09:29:00 -
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*starts handing out cookies to all kids who are afraid of the dark*
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.12.02 17:12:00 -
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cloaked caldari t2 bb see's big bad curse...
cloaked t2 bb approaches big bad curse...
t2 bb uncloaks, hits sensor booster, locks, jams, scrambles big bad curse
big bad curse gets ****** up by t2 bb's t2 heavy rocket launchers or whatever ccp is doin with that
t2 bb laughs and says GOTCHA *****!
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FraXy
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Posted - 2005.12.02 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: FraXy on 02/12/2005 17:23:10
Edited by: FraXy on 02/12/2005 17:21:48
Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
cloaked caldari t2 bb see's big bad curse...
cloaked t2 bb approaches big bad curse...
t2 bb uncloaks, hits sensor booster, locks, jams, scrambles big bad curse
big bad curse gets ****** up by t2 bb's t2 heavy rocket launchers or whatever ccp is doin with that
t2 bb laughs and says GOTCHA *****!
Where were u when i was growing up???
That as an OMGWTFBBQ`er story!!
Edited Profanity.. 
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.12.02 17:32:00 -
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The only thing the curse will fear in its current form is an ishtar or a nos domi. I cant see it worrying about any turret ship. Maybe a cruise raven setup properly but that raven aint gonna be tanking long.
It does seem overly done. The NOS bonus is nice, but the ashimmu is a beast already, giving it double the bonus would be plain evil
Oh and can someone do the calcs for cap drain with a full set of talismans? Im just curious if i should train amarr cruiser 5 or not 
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Virxe
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Posted - 2005.12.02 17:34:00 -
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im with kilrock..screw balance and make the ships the way their race is meant to be played. yo. 
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.12.02 17:37:00 -
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Step one in my one step program for making the Ishtar vs Curse debate (which shouldn't exist) go away:
* Set the Curse' drone bay to the same as the Arbitrator (75m¦).
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.12.02 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Step one in my one step program for making the Ishtar vs Curse debate (which shouldn't exist) go away:
* Set the Curse' drone bay to the same as the Arbitrator (75m¦).
I dont see a problem with that. I suspect it hasnt been changed since they 1st copied the stats before MK2 and the new drones... that seemns to be true for a number of stats in all the new T2 ships, the smell very much of unfinished - see the blackhawk or whatever its called having the same slots as ferox..
Prod TomB with a foot or sumink about it :D
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.12.02 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: FraXy
Edited by: FraXy on 02/12/2005 17:23:10
Edited by: FraXy on 02/12/2005 17:21:48
Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
cloaked caldari t2 bb see's big bad curse...
cloaked t2 bb approaches big bad curse...
t2 bb uncloaks, hits sensor booster, locks, jams, scrambles big bad curse
big bad curse gets ****** up by t2 bb's t2 heavy rocket launchers or whatever ccp is doin with that
t2 bb laughs and says GOTCHA *****!
Where were u when i was growing up???
That as an OMGWTFBBQ`er story!!
Edited Profanity..
switch a few nos for neuts and your t2 bb has 0 cap before it gets a lock. 10 second recalibration time anyone?
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Virxe
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Posted - 2005.12.02 18:45:00 -
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i doubt they will be using many neutralizers due to how much cap they use bc they will be trying to run a tank, and who knows wtf on top of that.
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