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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
374
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:02:00 -
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no one said that WiS is being shelved completely. it's merely taking the backseat until FiS is brought back from the dead.
besides, i have no reason to use CQ (im not that into fantasizing or playing with dolls) unless there is a specific purpose to it. i.e. until we're able to go into the station's cantina to complete some side objective, WiS might as well not exist.
they bit off more than they could chew. diverting most manpower to WiS work was a huge mistake only because half of EVE is broken or incomplete! until EVE's current content is 100%, it would be stupid to do anything relating to WiS.
myself (and possibly the other 10-20K) have resubbed or will consider resubbing only due to promising FiS content. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1256
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:07:00 -
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FiS has just about run out of areas to expand on for new game content. The Final Frontier is WiS and the last stop will be combining FiS and WiS. This game is evolving and needs to expand. Eve is changing and you'll either have to adapt or go jump into a Bio-Vat.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love FiS and I welcome WiS into the game. But I'd rather have CCP fix and finish all existing game content first before working on any new content, even if it takes CCP a few years to do it. The funny thing is just by doing that it'll seem like new content has been added.
Edit: Personal attack removed, CCP Phantom. |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:14:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Kengutsi Akira, actually it's people like you that are killing this game.
You're probably one out of a dozen players who keeps spamming their narrow minded self centered negative viewpoints while disrespecting others at the same time. Ironically though, you're not even one year old but you're the loudest and most vocal of that minority group. What's sad is you acting like you're a bittervet who's seen and done it all when actually you're still wet behind the ears.
Sorry to tell you this but you jumped on the wrong band wagon. FiS has just about run out of areas to expand on for new game content. The Final Frontier is WiS and the last stop will be combining FiS and WiS. This game is evolving and needs to expand. Eve is changing and you'll either have to adapt or go jump into a Bio-Vat.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love FiS and I welcome WiS into the game. But I'd rather have CCP fix and finish all existing game content first before working on any new content, even if it takes CCP a few years to do it. The funny thing is just by doing that it'll seem like new content has been added.
funny, i see you doing what youre accusing me of doing. I sincerely think however, Im not single handedly destroying the game thank you very much
and its funny you chose that post and none of my others.
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |

Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:15:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:So CCP I hope you are paying attention!
When I started this thread it was to make it clear a lot of us want some form of WiS. I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled. |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
135
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:18:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:no one said that WiS is being shelved completely. it's merely taking the backseat until FiS is brought back from the dead.
besides, i have no reason to use CQ (im not that into fantasizing or playing with dolls) unless there is a specific purpose to it. i.e. until we're able to go into the station's cantina to complete some side objective, WiS might as well not exist.
they bit off more than they could chew. diverting most manpower to WiS work was a huge mistake only because half of EVE is broken or incomplete! until EVE's current content is 100%, it would be stupid to do anything relating to WiS.
myself (and possibly the other 10-20K) have resubbed or will consider resubbing only due to promising FiS content.
There is no plan for WiS at this time any more than the remaining CQs. That has been confirmed by devs and stated indirectly by Hilmar, who claims it is because WE indicated we didn't want WiS.
I suggest they take any resources remaining on WoD and apply them to WiS or if not that then they clarify WHEN WiS can be expected back. That could make me believe there will someday be something beyond that door.
Issler |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:18:00 -
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Im guessing you chose that one because you couldnt take posts like
Quote: Ya know, Im cool with you all having your WiS as long as they dont make it manditory for me (I remember reading a dev blog or an interview wher ea CCP said they were planning on removing the button that allows you to opt out of WiS - thats likely where a lot of your "WiS" hate comes from) it doesnt impact my EVE playing, or doesnt impact the development of my EVE either.
You all can have your fun mini game. Im cool with that. Just dont let it infringe upon the rest of the game, and dont let it damage the company that runs our shared game.
Quote: lol see above. Im not changing my tune either, I felt this way all along. Its just the ppl that are now crying cause they shelved WiS that are pissing me off. GUYS let CCP HEAL before they decide to take another stab at WiS. Another round of mass unsub cause they shelved WiS is gonna do nothing but get more people on the street without a job.
Its a Black Spiral theyre Dancing here. Mass unsub they shelf WiS/WoD. More mass unsubs They now HAVE to do somethting along the lines of working on several projects like they said they couldnt do in the first place. Unfinished content/underwhelming expansions follow and more mass unsubs (mind you all this time CCP (and the accounts) is getting smaller).
When does it end? I can tell you there would be a point where it definately ends and not to "doom and gloom" but if we use mass unsubs to be the catalyst of that change thats where its GONNA end up.
Where I as talking from a less pissed off stance and bend it to what you want me to look like on these forums. No, you go back and find the most damaging post you can to make me look bad. Good job. You found a post where I was angry. You feel better now? Nice and self rightous? Forbid I ever be human and get heated about a topic I give a **** about.
Im guessing yer one of those that if we're unhappy, we should "just unsub and more on" types like I was at the start of this thread. Yeah well that already happened once, and if that keeps up we're both out something here. WiS isnt the future of the game lol its a side game. A mini game that ppl who get bored of flying spaceships can use to go do something else. What precisely are you thinking is gonna happen when they get back to developing WiS thats gonna make it "the future of EVE"? That somehow flying in spaceships is going to be eclipsed by this grand vision of playing poker and watching strippers? Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
135
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:20:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So CCP I hope you are paying attention!
When I started this thread it was to make it clear a lot of us want some form of WiS. I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
Well, now that you are here I guess I am!
Issler |

Athiven SkyWolf
Ancient Terran Allience
9
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:21:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement. |

Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:22:00 -
[459] - Quote
Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement. I like to think I'm pretty eloquent for a five year old.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:23:00 -
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Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement.
dude... look at the corp tag. duh
I see youre new to the forums, thats what we call a Goon. Insulting them is useless, ignoring them is worse. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |

Athiven SkyWolf
Ancient Terran Allience
9
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:29:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement. dude... look at the corp tag. duh
And look at the corp and you will see i am not the corp founder. It was my 10 years old son whose native language is french and yet he already speak english and also writes even if making some spelling mistakes. So yes he wrote alliance with a bad spelling. Come back to me when you can also write in french and dutch like hilm without mistake then you can give him lessons.
Another thing to add bully ? |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:33:00 -
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Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement. dude... look at the corp tag. duh And look at the corp and you will see i am not the corp founder. It was my 10 years old son whose native language is french and yet he already speak english and also writes even if making some spelling mistakes. So yes he wrote alliance with a bad spelling. Come back to me when you can also write in french and dutch like hilm without mistake then you can give him lessons. Another thing to add bully ?
wow.... way to insult the wrong guy
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
135
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:34:00 -
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Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement. dude... look at the corp tag. duh And look at the corp and you will see i am not the corp founder. It was my 10 years old son whose native language is french and yet he already speak english and also writes even if making some spelling mistakes. So yes he wrote alliance with a bad spelling. Come back to me when you can also write in french and dutch like hilm without mistake then you can give him lessons. Another thing to add bully ?
I actually believe that is how alliance IS spelled in the future!! 
Props to your son for being ahead of the curve!
Issler |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:38:00 -
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jeez chill dude, try to help a noob an I get all flamed for it. Guess I know what not to do from now on
lol I let you find out for yourself what a Goon is then. Flame on lol Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |

Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
464
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:42:00 -
[465] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:jeez chill dude, try to help a noob an I get all flamed for it. Welcome to Forum Wars. The eternal battle against bad posting can be dangerous.
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:43:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:jeez chill dude, try to help a noob an I get all flamed for it. Guess I know what not to do from now on
lol I let you find out for yourself what a Goon is then. Flame on lol Wait he doesn't know what a Goon is but he wants to speak for the playerbase...
I am pretty sure I can jump into any local and get silence if I say does anyone not know who Goons are.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:44:00 -
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Space Hogger wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Space Hogger wrote:Forget WiS or even FiS. Talk about core gameplay, update the f-ing font already. I'd like to not have to squint if I use a monitor larger than 17". Seriously, how does something like CQ take precedence over being able to read the text in your game? Incarna was marketed to all these new (and returning) players as a revolutionary change to the game. Everything sounds awesome until you log in an realize you are trapped in a small room with the rest of the game unchanged. Still forced to squint at a small, hard to read font, all wrapped in an outdated UI. Glasses ftw? joking aside, this too lol My eyes are horrible. Funny that you mention that, I have glasses but I am not supposed to wear them while in front of the computer. I sit in front of a monitor all day at work looking at line after line of code no problem. Then I go home to a larger monitor and fight the desire to wear glasses to play Eve. Even when I do wear them, it doesn't help much. It really seems like it was designed for lower resolutions only.
I think theres a good liklihood it was, this game was launched in what 2003? How many 2003 games you see running around that scale up to current resolutions realy well? lol Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |

Vid Eeomeet
Smoke 'n' Mirrors Knights Of Freedoms
1
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:46:00 -
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I do like the idea of being able to muck about in stations. Personally it would add immersion level. I've always thought it was silly to have these elaborate stations and not be able to explore them. Calling it Barbies in space is vitriolic IMO. That being said I do enjoy this game because of the space setting and think ships in space should be the primary focus for devs. Perhaps finish the other CQs for now and add useful features to the screens in the quarters. After other CQs are released and tweaked, focus on ships and space until a more fleshed out ambulation experience can be refined and released. |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:46:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:jeez chill dude, try to help a noob an I get all flamed for it. Guess I know what not to do from now on
lol I let you find out for yourself what a Goon is then. Flame on lol Wait he doesn't know what a Goon is but he wants to speak for the playerbase... I am pretty sure I can jump into any local and get silence if I say does anyone not know who Goons are.
who wants to speak for the whole playerbase?
lol howd my trying to help this noob get all this **** turned around on me?
****, see if I try to help someone new again Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:49:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Athiven SkyWolf wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote: I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.
And i hope everyone reads this and see you for what you are : a brainless 5 years old bully troll that should return in his basement. dude... look at the corp tag. duh I see youre new to the forums, thats what we call a Goon. Insulting them is useless, ignoring them is worse.
Hence this post
(too many quotes) needed a new post
I dont think he was trying to "speak for the player base" by posting his opinion on a forum, Im damn sure not speaking for anyone more than me, and I surely well know what a Goon is lol Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
105
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:58:00 -
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I want WiS and to be honest I'd be perfectly happy for FiS to sit on the shelf while they deliver it. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:03:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:I want WiS and to be honest I'd be perfectly happy for FiS to sit on the shelf while they deliver it.
People like this are the ones looking to destroy the game lol
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
105
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:08:00 -
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It's a feature I'd like. You're asking the devs to focus dev time on the features you like. How are you any different from me? Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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T-Jay Charante
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:12:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:I want WiS and to be honest I'd be perfectly happy for FiS to sit on the shelf while they deliver it. People like this are the ones looking to destroy the game lol
The WiS crowd are the new Goons, destroying Eve is the goal, apparently.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:18:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:It's a feature I'd like. You're asking the devs to focus dev time on the features you like. How are you any different from me?
Im not asking them to continue to work on a side project that damaged their company. YOURE basically telling them that after they took a 20% hit to the company they should "walk it off" and keep going.
WiS was tied to WoD. Thats pretty obvious when you look at the fact that they both got "back burner"ed together.
The obvious difference between what Im saying and what youre telling them is IM not asking them to work on "features" Id like, Im asking them to work on what was the entire game up until the failed launch of the one room.
T-Jay Charante wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:I want WiS and to be honest I'd be perfectly happy for FiS to sit on the shelf while they deliver it. People like this are the ones looking to destroy the game lol The WiS crowd are the new Goons, destroying Eve is the goal, apparently.
That guy, who would rather they put off FiS to get WiS going, yes. Hell even CCP sees this. They said as much in the announcement that the 20% would get fired.
ID like to have a game AND have WiS. NOT let CCP go to **** to get WiS out ASAP
Go back a few pages, read my thread about how they need to heal, the other guy just a page or two back. LET THE COMPANY HEAL - then... when they have a firm footing again, THEN they can work on more than one thing. Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |

Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:26:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:It's a feature I'd like. You're asking the devs to focus dev time on the features you like. How are you any different from me? Im not asking them to continue to work on a side project that damaged their company. YOURE basically telling them that after they took a 20% hit to the company they should "walk it off" and keep going. WiS was tied to WoD. Thats pretty obvious when you look at the fact that they both got "back burner"ed together. The obvious difference between what Im saying and what youre telling them is IM not asking them to work on "features" Id like, Im asking them to work on what was the entire game up until the failed launch of the one room. T-Jay Charante wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:I want WiS and to be honest I'd be perfectly happy for FiS to sit on the shelf while they deliver it. People like this are the ones looking to destroy the game lol The WiS crowd are the new Goons, destroying Eve is the goal, apparently. That guy, who would rather they put off FiS to get WiS going, yes. Hell even CCP sees this. They said as much in the announcement that the 20% would get fired. ID like to have a game AND have WiS. NOT let CCP go to **** to get WiS out ASAP Go back a few pages, read my thread about how they need to heal, the other guy just a page or two back. LET THE COMPANY HEAL - then... when they have a firm footing again, THEN they can work on more than one thing. You need to get some fresh air or something. Seriously, it will do you some good. |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:29:00 -
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Soulpirate wrote: You need to get some fresh air or something. Seriously, it will do you some good.
0/10
You HAVE to be able to do better
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |

Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
11
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:30:00 -
[478] - Quote
The problem has never been Incarna, but CCP spreading themselves too thin, milking their golden goose: EVE. So, the solution is not to get rid of Incarna, but to pull the plug on WoD, or DUST even. Then they can hire back that 20% of their personnel they laid off, and put them all back on feeding the golden goose, instead of just milking her (and in the process learn that feeding the goose is your wise investment towards milking her again: the two go hand in hand).
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |

Sturmwolke
29
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:32:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:You might be surprised how wide support the "real" Incarna concept in EvE community has. The reasons towards the hate for what we have now are more or less of it not being what people were expecting and for CCP ignoring FiS for so long time. Incarna itself wasn't the problem.
It's natural to respond positively to visionary concepts the likes of Incarna (hence the wide acceptance) - but when push comes to a shove, Incarna matters very little. You cannot have a cake and eat it too.
I'm generally positive to it's potential, but on the flip-side, I don't really care if it never gets implemented - much less post a forum thread begging for support as per OP. I do care however, when the core EVE gameplay gets neglected and the work quality from CCP gets reduced to shoddy undertakings (which there are plenty of examples, you don't even have to think about it).
Retrospectively, I'm half wondering if the inception of Incarna (years back) had a solid and pragmatic approach on how the feature will mesh into the core gameplay and what sort of metrics (if any) will be used to justify the cost of the engine development and any other related expenses. Everything up until now has shown that the spark for this idea has more to do with "just because it's cool to do" than any real substance. You cannot evolve the core EVE gameplay on fluffy ideas - it takes an enormous amount of work (that shouldn't be underestimated). The interesting thing is, the few EVE founders would have been be more than familiar with such undertakings. Where they tripped up would be an interesting discussion.
Back then, I vaguely remember one of the reasons they put forward in favor of Incarna was that it'll provide a platform that will encourage more girls/women audience or subcribers. Sure, I'd have no qualms with that (being aware of the female mind preferences), but I'd be asking how would this pan out in the long-term, in terms of sustainability. It does not make sense to spend 50million to make an extra 2 million in yearly revenue, including needing to increase operational cost by 1-2mil to support such a feature (in arbitrary numbers of course). There is little profit. Hell, this is even ingrained in the EVE's science & industry mechanics, which should be familiar to most players.
That reminds me, Incarna looks very similar to the Elemental : War of Magic fiasco from Stardock.
Custom engine that works rather poorly - Check Bland gameplay & gamedesign - Check Incomplete - Check Layoffs - Check
Imo, CCP will need to re-examine the feasibility of elevating WiS into one of the core pillars of EVE and sustainably maintaining it from the EVE revenue stream. Currently, it's looking like a white elephant.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
105
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:36:00 -
[480] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Im asking them to work on what was the entire game up until the failed launch of the one room.
I've been playing that game lately. That game's fine. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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