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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.25 11:10:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:CCP, stop your shameless cowardice!! Answer our call for clarification and justification for your WiS plans.
Right now you look like reactionary cowards that are in the pocket of a pro 0.0 FiS only CSM.
Respond with your vision and plans and make this thread go away!
Issler YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you.            |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
317
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Posted - 2011.12.25 11:42:00 -
[1892] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:CCP, stop your shameless cowardice!! Answer our call for clarification and justification for your WiS plans.
Right now you look like reactionary cowards that are in the pocket of a pro 0.0 FiS only CSM.
Respond with your vision and plans and make this thread go away!
Issler
I am cutting them some slack because of Unifex's post and being the holiday season... but not much. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |

Devil's Call
Perkone Caldari State
744
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Posted - 2011.12.25 14:13:00 -
[1893] - Quote
Some time ago they showed avatars walking around in a station, there was exotic dancers and stuff, and you could play some sort of RTS mini game on a table vs other players. I wonder what happened to all that? Did you (CCP) just delete that? Or is it shelved, or what?
Just wondering. |

Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2011.12.25 14:16:00 -
[1894] - Quote
If CCP does answer this thread by stating that they have no plans at this time but may return to WIS at some future date, would that reply cause people to quit the game, shrug it off and continue, or rejoice that similar to past practices, that answer would be translated into "dead and buried"?
Honestly, CCP has learned from the past - any answer they offer would be used by players as concrete proof that they MUST follow through with in a near future date. Player's interpretations of comments get twisted into their view of agreement. CCP could state, "At this time, WIS is not a part of our plans, but we may revisit it around 2014." and there will be players adamant that CCP will have a full-blown expansion just of WIS by that date because they said so.
I could be wrong, but did CCP actually state they are making Eve as a full-blown space simulation game or they would like to eventually move the game in that direction? Over five and a half years into this game, a majority of the expansions have been related to FIS so if an overall space simulation, then CCP is very, very, very far behind. Before Incarna, the planetary interaction expansion's video begged the question whether we pilots were going to be benevolent or tyrant rulers. Unless I am missing something, I have seen no signs that planet mining has had any effects on a non-descriptive populace. I have seen no signs that I need to drink, to eat, to sleep - hell, even hit the bathroom every now and then. But then wouldn't these aspects be part of a full-blown space simulation game, as monotonous as they are in real life?
Again, just because CCP released a video at a fanfest or for public consumption should not be interpreted that CCP will follow that directional path right now, right later, or right never. Or Oveur still owes us players the building aspect of creating pocket dead space dungeons for other players to raid and get destroyed by since he mentioned it long ago on some old video from an even early fanfest.
As stated in this thread earlier, I would like to see a functional WIS. But if such an expansion does not ever arrive, I will not be deterred by what originally drew me to Eve - the space aspects.
Thanks for reading. |

Podcorn
Doomheim
16
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Posted - 2011.12.25 14:59:00 -
[1895] - Quote
I have a feeling that they're waiting for page 100 to respond.
Edit: Also, everyone should report that fake dev post on page 2 or whatever as spam, they're keeping it there only to make it look as though they are communicating which they aren't.
*runs off to tell on the community management team for not doing their job* |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.25 15:45:00 -
[1896] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Arcathra wrote:So I have a question for you. Where is your evidence that this thread has only two or three "space barbie fetishists" and their alts"? Where is your eveidence? There is no way you can know the alts of all people who are posting here. And to beginn with, not all of the supporters are even "space barbie fetishists". I've been involved with the thread since the beginning. If you read all of it you'll see a pattern where there a couple of people crying about not having enough dresses and then a rotating stable of characters in newbie corps who write *exactly* the same way as the first set of WiS whiners. And yes, if somebody is upset that CCP saved their game by putting roleplaying microtransaction nonsense on the backburner and are demanding an answer to when CCP will reverse that deserves to be labeled as a space barbie fetishist.
And it is so, because you said so.. You know the world really shouldn't work that way, unfortunately it works exactly like that. |

Velicitia
Open Designs
764
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Posted - 2011.12.25 16:03:00 -
[1897] - Quote
Guttripper wrote: I could be wrong, but did CCP actually state they are making Eve as a full-blown space simulation game or they would like to eventually move the game in that direction? Over five and a half years into this game, a majority of the expansions have been related to FIS so if an overall space simulation, then CCP is very, very, very far behind. Before Incarna, the planetary interaction expansion's video begged the question whether we pilots were going to be benevolent or tyrant rulers. Unless I am missing something, I have seen no signs that planet mining has had any effects on a non-descriptive populace. I have seen no signs that I need to drink, to eat, to sleep - hell, even hit the bathroom every now and then. But then wouldn't these aspects be part of a full-blown space simulation game, as monotonous as they are in real life?
They *want* to, and they're taking the first steps in that direction. There have been a number of things in the way, off the top of my head: 1. Ambulation / WiS in general -- even with MODERN gaming rigs, the CQ was melting things down with ONE toon in ONE prison cell. It's gotten better over the last few months (I can turn it on now without getting the "OMFG, ****'s melting!" alarms ... granted with only low/mid settings)
2. Microsoft -- dumbass company wouldn't let CCP run DUST on TQ (and other nonsense), which forced said game to become PS3 exclusive.
3. Technology in general (see: melted gfx cards on Incarna release, etc).
4. Sony -- people have their knickers in a twist that DUST is a PS3 exclusive ... also, Sony is just evil (now, if they get one of those Kevin Butler commercials for DUST ... well, maybe ever so slightly less evil).
So, as of right now today, CCP has gotten past some of the hurdles, and caused a few new ones (biggest one being the rollout of WiS/Incarna pissed off a lot of people). We're seeing the first real fruits of their labour over DUST (beta! yay! now, i just need a code ... pretty please, CCP?).
WiS will be/has been backburnered for a while, until they fix some of the FiS stuff that's been neglected. I imagine that some things will be thrown in with the expansion in 5-6 months ... but it's going to be low key -- on the lines of " we have all this ~awesome~ FiS stuff that has been fixed, and V3'd, and balanced ... and oh yeah, we sorted WiS a bit, so you can have corp offices with up to 50 people inside at once". |

Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
95
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Posted - 2011.12.25 16:19:00 -
[1898] - Quote
When I came back I was hugely disappointed with Captain's Quarters, but I still have high hopes for WiS in general.
As the point of interaction between EvE and DUST players, WiS is very promising. A lot of non-FiS stuff (gambling, customizable quarters, etc) could be built out of that once the core is in place.
Also some microtransaction-based customization options are OK, but a lot of it should be loot-based as well. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |

Devil's Call
Perkone Caldari State
744
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Posted - 2011.12.25 16:23:00 -
[1899] - Quote
This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...? If so, they might as well remove the captains quarters and the NeX store and stuff. But I don't think that CCP will stop working on WiS, if anything, they're working harder on getting it into the game because those Captains Quarters alone are kind of a joke. ;-) |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2011.12.25 16:27:00 -
[1900] - Quote
Devil's Call wrote:This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...?
Well you know how it is. Nothing is finite. Saying they will not do this at any given time is development suicide. And if the time comes PR suicide too.
In other words.. Most of the people waits for "definitive maybe". |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.26 09:11:00 -
[1901] - Quote
CCP!!!
How many pages does it take???!!!
Issler |

oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.26 09:11:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Devil's Call wrote:This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...?
Well you know how it is. Nothing is finite. Saying they will not do this at any given time is development suicide. And if the time comes PR suicide too. In other words.. Most of the people waits for "definitive maybe".
silence is a bad PR too I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:04:00 -
[1903] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:CCP!!!
How many pages does it take???!!!
Issler This is what you want Eve to become?.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:04:00 -
[1904] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Devil's Call wrote:This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...?
Well you know how it is. Nothing is finite. Saying they will not do this at any given time is development suicide. And if the time comes PR suicide too. In other words.. Most of the people waits for "definitive maybe". silence is a bad PR too They haven't been silent. CCP has answered the question but some people didn't like the answer.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
895
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:21:00 -
[1905] - Quote
CCP? throw us a word here, please? |

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.12.26 12:23:00 -
[1906] - Quote
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:CCP? throw us a word here, please?
a bone, it's throw us a bone :P |

oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.26 14:46:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:CCP? throw us a word here, please? a bone, it's throw us a bone :P
throw us something I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |

Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.26 14:52:00 -
[1908] - Quote
all this unseemly begging, it's like petitions, making a big deal on the forums will not help one bit One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you.            |

Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.26 14:57:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:all this unseemly begging, it's like petitions, making a big deal on the forums will not help one bit
CCP just likes to know we care.
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Kuronaga
Ausbruch
144
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Posted - 2011.12.26 15:43:00 -
[1910] - Quote
Unfortunately as much as this means to some of us, I believe the job description of an eve community manager is to "pass along relevant information", not to necessarily care.
Besides that, it is clear they are set in their current direction. They are likely prohibited from saying ANYTHING validating possible work on WIS in this thread, because the higher ups are scared to death it might cause dissent. This is the kind of irrational fear you get from management not properly understanding a situation. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2011.12.26 16:05:00 -
[1911] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Unfortunately as much as this means to some of us, I believe the job description of an eve community manager is to "pass along relevant information", not to necessarily care.
Besides that, it is clear they are set in their current direction. They are likely prohibited from saying ANYTHING validating possible work on WIS in this thread, because the higher ups are scared to death it might cause dissent. This is the kind of irrational fear you get from management not properly understanding a situation.
ccp: they are freaking out lets abandon WIS and give them FIS we are already working 18 months on it ,but tell them 6 weeks players : ??????? ccp: **** they still want WIS ,but we just sacked the team for it,and they don,t believe the 6 week fairytale? players:???????? ccp:lets keep silent and hide I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2011.12.27 04:31:00 -
[1912] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:Unfortunately as much as this means to some of us, I believe the job description of an eve community manager is to "pass along relevant information", not to necessarily care.
Besides that, it is clear they are set in their current direction. They are likely prohibited from saying ANYTHING validating possible work on WIS in this thread, because the higher ups are scared to death it might cause dissent. This is the kind of irrational fear you get from management not properly understanding a situation.
Well stated
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robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.27 08:09:00 -
[1913] - Quote
They have already given you the only answer you're going to get..." on the back burner and maybe re-visited some time in the future "......deal with it.
Kuronaga wrote:Unfortunately as much as this means to some of us, I believe the job description of an eve community manager is to "pass along relevant information", not to necessarily care.
Besides that, it is clear they are set in their current direction. They are likely prohibited from saying ANYTHING validating possible work on WIS in this thread, because the higher ups are scared to death it might cause dissent. This is the kind of irrational fear you get from management not properly understanding a situation.
CCP understand perfectly well....that the majority of players want FiS over WiS.......they now understand that neglecting FiS can seriously hurt the game....whereas WiS seems to be nothing more than a few drama queens who are not willing to do anything more than have a little cry on the forums.
Ive said before, if you feel so strongly, quit and tell CCP why you are quitting...or organise a protest to show your displeasure....but my guess is that you wont do jack sh*t. |

Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.27 08:33:00 -
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robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest
Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts...
That'll show em who the drama queens are.
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robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.27 08:38:00 -
[1915] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts... That'll show em who the drama queens are.
Thats called protest, taking a stand for something you believe in strongly enough.....seriously, you guys just come across as whiny little 12 year old girls having a little foot stomping tantrum. |

Disdaine
253
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Posted - 2011.12.27 08:43:00 -
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robbyx wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts... That'll show em who the drama queens are. Thats called protest, taking a stand for something you believe in strongly enough.....seriously, you guys just come across as whiny little 12 year old girls having a little foot stomping tantrum.
Maybe we can unsub and come slinkin back later after CCP has laid off some more people then let the CSM take all the credit for effecting change.
That seems like the mature thing to do, rather than make a few complaints in a single forum thread which WiS haters still can't stay away from. |

Lexmana
Imperial Stout
245
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Posted - 2011.12.27 08:56:00 -
[1917] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts... That'll show em who the drama queens are. Thats called protest, taking a stand for something you believe in strongly enough.....seriously, you guys just come across as whiny little 12 year old girls having a little foot stomping tantrum. Maybe we can unsub and come slinkin back later after CCP has laid off some more people then let the CSM take all the credit for effecting change. That seems like the mature thing to do, rather than make a few complaints in a single forum thread which WiS haters still can't stay away from.
You know, focusing on FiS never made players to unsub and CCP never had to lay off people because of FiS. It was focusing on WiS that did that. |

robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
62
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Posted - 2011.12.27 08:56:00 -
[1918] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts... That'll show em who the drama queens are. Thats called protest, taking a stand for something you believe in strongly enough.....seriously, you guys just come across as whiny little 12 year old girls having a little foot stomping tantrum. Maybe we can unsub and come slinkin back later after CCP has laid off some more people then let the CSM take all the credit for effecting change. That seems like the mature thing to do, rather than make a few complaints in a single forum thread which WiS haters still can't stay away from.
Anyone with even half a brain knows it was the unsubbing players who effected the most change.....and we didnt come slinkin back, we came back proudly victorious...im actually pretty proud of myself that i denied myself the game and was prepared to quit permanently to stop, at least in this game, the ridiculous notion MMO producers seem to have gotten into their heads that what players want doesnt matter.
As for this thread...truth be told i cant stay away...its like American idol auditions...you know they are gonna fail, you know they arent going anywhere, but its damn hilarious watching them try. |

Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.12.27 11:12:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Unfortunately as much as this means to some of us, I believe the job description of an eve community manager is to "pass along relevant information", not to necessarily care.
Besides that, it is clear they are set in their current direction. They are likely prohibited from saying ANYTHING validating possible work on WIS in this thread, because the higher ups are scared to death it might cause dissent. This is the kind of irrational fear you get from management not properly understanding a situation. oh do tell more One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you.            |

Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
39
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Posted - 2011.12.27 11:49:00 -
[1920] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:Disdaine wrote:robbyx wrote:drama queens.....cry....protest Lets go shoot a statue, spam CCP investors email, get banned raging at GM's, make spergy blog posts... That'll show em who the drama queens are. Thats called protest, taking a stand for something you believe in strongly enough.....seriously, you guys just come across as whiny little 12 year old girls having a little foot stomping tantrum. Maybe we can unsub and come slinkin back later after CCP has laid off some more people then let the CSM take all the credit for effecting change. That seems like the mature thing to do, rather than make a few complaints in a single forum thread which WiS haters still can't stay away from. You know, focusing on FiS never made players to unsub and CCP never had to lay off people because of FiS. It was focusing on WiS that did that.
If you say that, then you don't know what really happened this summer.
A hint: it wasn't the focusing on WiS. |
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