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Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:01:00 -
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When fleeted with Orca some miners are jet-canning even nowadays and feeling protected by Suspect Timer they simply don't care whether you land 500 m from their can full or ore or not. Most likely being AFK they are unaware you are there in the first place.
Is this really the sandbox we want for our children - to grow up as dull creatures, bored with life? If no, let's help them and restore delicate balance in the Universe.
The work-in-progress idea is simple. When a can is flipped it will turn turquoise (or some similar color) and Can Flipping Timer starts counting down - everyone is now free to take the loot for the duration of 15 minutes. The initial can-flipper will still be a Suspect but every other can-flipper won't, ofc as long as Can Flipping Timer is still counting. If the same miner decides to jettison while the timer has not reached 0 it will restart back to 15 minutes.
It's not something I know but at least miners will need to be more attentive PLAYers and not so much bot-like AFK'ers. |
Spurty
903
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:04:00 -
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Please let us all know how you know they are afk?
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
368
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:04:00 -
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Jet can for the corporation.
It's already built into the system.
If you're in another corp, that's the breaks in this delicate ecosystem.
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
~George Orwell
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Forum Clone 77777
State War Academy
Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:29:00 -
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I dont understand this "idea" or its purpose, please elaborate. |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
242
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:33:00 -
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How about we just do something that makes sense instead: Stealing from a yellow can or wreck starts a Limited Engagement timer with the owner.
Can flipping is dead. Long live can flipping. |
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
29
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:36:00 -
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2006 called. It wants it's can flipping back. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1094
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:38:00 -
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The guy mentioned attentive and mining in the same sentence. LOL!
The only "attentive" miners are chineese prisoners being punished by mining isk for the prison guards.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Felicity Love
Interstellar Booty Hunters
717
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:38:00 -
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Shoot them all in the face, let CONCORD sort them out. 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
542
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:39:00 -
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Morukk Nuamzzar wrote:When fleeted with Orca some miners are jet-canning even nowadays and feeling protected by Suspect Timer they simply don't care whether you land 500 m from their can full of ore or not. Most likely being AFK they are unaware you are there in the first place.
Is this really the sandbox we want for our children - to grow up as dull creatures, bored with life? If not, let's help them and restore delicate balance in the Universe.
The work-in-progress idea is simple. When a can is flipped it will turn turquoise (or some similar color) and Can Flipping Timer starts counting down - everyone is now free to take the loot for the duration of 15 minutes. The initial can-flipper will still be a Suspect but every other can-flipper won't, ofc as long as Can Flipping Timer is still counting. If the same miner decides to jettison while the timer has not reached 0 it will restart back to 15 minutes.
It's not something I know but at least miners will need to be more attentive PLAYers and not so much bot-like AFK'ers.
So you want to can-flip with a throw-away alt for 1 ore unit so your main can come after for the full can and not be flagged as suspect right? |
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:41:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:I dont understand this "idea" or its purpose, please elaborate.
The idea is to protect our dear miners without unintentionally harming them with overprotection. |
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:45:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Morukk Nuamzzar wrote:When fleeted with Orca some miners are jet-canning even nowadays and feeling protected by Suspect Timer they simply don't care whether you land 500 m from their can full of ore or not. Most likely being AFK they are unaware you are there in the first place.
Is this really the sandbox we want for our children - to grow up as dull creatures, bored with life? If not, let's help them and restore delicate balance in the Universe.
The work-in-progress idea is simple. When a can is flipped it will turn turquoise (or some similar color) and Can Flipping Timer starts counting down - everyone is now free to take the loot for the duration of 15 minutes. The initial can-flipper will still be a Suspect but every other can-flipper won't, ofc as long as Can Flipping Timer is still counting. If the same miner decides to jettison while the timer has not reached 0 it will restart back to 15 minutes.
It's not something I know but at least miners will need to be more attentive PLAYers and not so much bot-like AFK'ers. So you want to can-flip with a throw-away alt for 1 ore unit so your main can come after for the full can and not be flagged as suspect right?
No, that I can do already - jettison and steal from my alt. |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2093
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:48:00 -
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cos carebear's gonna carebear.
and also cry to ccp till they nerf the crap out of hs piracy. |
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
29
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:49:00 -
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Why not just warp in with a Skiff on your main and take more than half of the can (assuming it's full) and then warp in with another Skiff on your alt and take the rest of it? |
Paul Panala
Beyond the Shadows
56
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:49:00 -
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It sounds to me like your suggestion would make jetcanning even less risky. Right now, if you flip a can you turn suspect, if the minor tries to take it back then they become suspect (something I never felt made sense, but that is how the game works).
If I understand what you are saying, you want the minor (or Orca pilot) to be able to grab that can back with no penalty at all. How does that help keep minors on their toes? Seems like it makes things even more safe for them. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1820
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:51:00 -
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there is no can flipping timer. its called suspect timer. So are you asking to remove ownership of cans completely? Or do you want free kills without raking any risks? Explain.
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Paul Panala
Beyond the Shadows
56
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:52:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:cos carebear's gonna carebear.
I think the correct way to say this is "Carebear's gonna care." |
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 13:54:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:It sounds to me like your suggestion would make jetcanning even less risky. Right now, if you flip a can you turn suspect, if the minor tries to take it back then they become suspect (something I never felt made sense, but that is how the game works).
If I understand what you are saying, you want the minor (or Orca pilot) to be able to grab that can back with no penalty at all. How does that help keep minors on their toes? Seems like it makes things even more safe for them.
You are wrong - miner can take from the flipped can freely. |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury
Tactical Narcotics Team
284
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:00:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Please let us all know how you know they are afk?
This - for ALL AFK claims.
Oh hes not answering or responding to you... MUST BE AFK!!!
Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:06:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:Spurty wrote:Please let us all know how you know they are afk?
This - for ALL AFK claims. Oh hes not answering or responding to you... MUST BE AFK!!!
I said 'most likely'. The truth is - most miners are not even remotely attentive while mining, varying from semi-afk to afk. Everyone knows that. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
368
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:13:00 -
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Morukk Nuamzzar wrote:BoBoZoBo wrote:Spurty wrote:Please let us all know how you know they are afk?
This - for ALL AFK claims. Oh hes not answering or responding to you... MUST BE AFK!!! I said 'most likely'. The truth is - most miners are not even remotely attentive while mining, varying from semi-afk to afk. Everyone knows that.
And even if they were, they couldn't fight back anyway. So in itself mining is borked, as to setup a fleet for protection is pulling teeth (as it's just as boring to the protectors).
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
~George Orwell
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3815
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Posted - 2013.07.05 18:21:00 -
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Out here in nullsec, where we are hardcore pvpers, we shoot structure while afk.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. TEST Defence, Please Ignore
Projecting regards and power all over your space.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/%27Regard%27_I_Power_Projector |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
13
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Posted - 2013.07.05 19:48:00 -
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As a miner i find your concern for our abysmal working environment touching * chokes-up as tear rolls down his cheek*
I also appreciate that you would like free ISK handed to you on a silver platter without consequences or any semblance of "balance" as you put it.
Let's just say no to this awful idea and move on shall we?
Great!
Glad you came to your senses. |
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:34:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
I also appreciate that you would like free ISK handed to you on a silver platter without consequences because this adds "Balance to the Universe".
Why so personal? I'm no can flipper - never did it in my life - I just think it would be more balanced and fair. This current system is neither. |
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
6019
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:41:00 -
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Morukk Nuamzzar wrote:When fleeted with Orca some miners are jet-canning even nowadays and feeling protected by Suspect Timer they simply don't care whether you land 500 m from their can full of ore or not. Most likely being AFK they are unaware you are there in the first place.
Is this really the sandbox we want for our children - to grow up as dull creatures, bored with life? If not, let's help them and restore delicate balance in the Universe.
The work-in-progress idea is simple. When a can is flipped it will turn turquoise (or some similar color) and Can Flipping Timer starts counting down - everyone is now free to take the loot for the duration of 15 minutes. The initial can-flipper will still be a Suspect but every other can-flipper won't, ofc as long as Can Flipping Timer is still counting. If the same miner decides to jettison while the timer has not reached 0 it will restart back to 15 minutes.
It's not something I know but at least miners will need to be more attentive PLAYers and not so much bot-like AFK'ers.
No thank you, the can still belongs to the owner and anyone stealing it turns suspect. Miners still need to be attentive players if they are jet can mining-especially from gankers.
I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5411
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Posted - 2013.07.05 21:50:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:It sounds to me like your suggestion would make jetcanning even less risky. Right now, if you flip a can you turn suspect, if the minor tries to take it back then they become suspect (something I never felt made sense, but that is how the game works).
That's not how the game works. You're right on the first part, but not on the second. Taking stuff from a person who is suspect doesn't constitute as stealing in the current system and therefore won't make you a suspect. |
Galaxy Chicken
New Order Logistics
CODE.
25
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:47:00 -
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I liked the way it was before, when it created a kind of limited engagement between the victim's entire Corp and the thief.
Go with the Code.
www.minerbumping.com |
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