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banannagirl	Posted - 2005.12.04 00:28:00 - [1] Ok .. please allow me to kick this off with an idea but first a little history of game play...! Yesterday i blew up two ships for the first time in about ONE whole year. Yes one year. About a year ago i started out on the pirate route but decided to turn back at a sec level of -4.6 due to not being able to enter systems. Since that fateful day and after blowing up about 5 ships to 8 ships with a couple of pods also .. i have been working at my sec level unceasingly .. THAT is almost a whole year playing this game - my sec level yesterday was at -2.02 so i decided to have a little fun .. for the first time in ages .. and yes i mean little .. upon warping into a belt i saw a vexor and proceeded to do the business successfully .. one ship destroyed.. ! Later on i went into another system and came upon a mining party and had a little more fun .. one mammoth destroyed .. the same belt a little later and one strip miner locked and the demand of 5 million isk was met without the need for further action on my behalf .. in total i accrued .. 2.0 % for the mammoth .. 0.5 times two for the vex or .. and 0.5 for the lock and scramble on the strip miner .. total time ..= no more than fourteen minutes of pvp .. ! total penalty accrued .. from -2.03 to -2.34. Ok this doesnt look much i hear you say .. ! Now then todays play as the above was last night. At around 16.30 pm uk time i entered eve and started to work on my sec level .. it is now .. 00.12 and i have just finished for the night .. ! Leisurely ratting but unceasingly for about 8 hours ... i have killed over two hundred rats in 0.4 space ... the average total of all the rats .. actually its more ;like three hundred i have ammassed 3 million 100 000 isk in all that time ... so work it out for yourself when the greatest amount on any rat is 55 000 isk .. the majority being between 17500 and 7000 isk .. ! Anyway .. looking at my sec level thinking that this should have been more than enough time to reduce my sec level 0.3 points... i am staggered to see my sec level is -2.20 .... that is a reduction of 0.1 sec level in eight hours of sec level constant reduction gameplay. If i hear anyone suggest i should go to 0.0 i will scream...!! Thats EIGHT HOURS of the most boring damn aspect of eve killing rats in 0.4. When is eve going to wake up to the reality that PVP is part of the game .... ! new players KNOW all to well that if they are mining in 0.4 space and below they are likely to get into trouble if they mine before they are ready ...! If you make it easier to reduce sec rating by making the totals NOT percentage but ACTUAL sec reduction - so a 55 kl rat at 0.4% becomes a 55 k rat at .. 0.4 sec level reduction.. ! Missions are for ratting and practising weapons .. rats in belts are to make mining more difficult ...they are certainly not for sec level reduction at this time.. ! WHEREVER THEY ARE.. ! Heres my advice keep the player ship destruction bonus the same ie percentage and the rat values as ACTUAL not percentage bonus to sec level standing ... or erradicate pvp sec level punishment altogether. It is a punishment that eve is visiting on people to play this game .. ! How logical is that ccp .. please answer the question .. I DONT PAY TO BE PUNISHED I PAY TO PLAY ... ! I can understand that you at ccp want more players and feel nervous about losing new players to pirates ... but this is an excuse to watse hours of peoples time reducing sec level after just doing what it is that we pay to do ... PLAY THE GAME ... PVP is part of this game .. look at the whole system of eve creation .. thats why eve has weapons ... that can be loaded onto ships for gods sake .. ! Its simple enough for new players to understand .. that where there are no police there is trouble .. its a fact of life .. ! So why is it that ccp aare punishing people that enjoy playing the game .. ! regards BG http://www.artzgalaxies.com/
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.12.04 00:31:00 - [2] A week or so ago my alt smartbombed and podkilled 5 macrominers. She went down to -3.2 After a bit of mission whoring shes at -0.7 Kill npc BS, not weenie frigs
melonboy	Posted - 2005.12.04 00:33:00 - [3] please be specific ... a bit .. what does that mean ... and i dont want to do missions... ! regards BG
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.12.04 00:41:00 - [4] Originally by: melonboy please be specific ... a bit .. what does that mean ... and i dont want to do missions... ! regards BG At present missions or 0.0 ratting are the only way to meaningfully affect sec status. This leaves you with a few options (but first I'd suggest learning the game mechanics) - Dont kill people if you cant get your sec back up - Kill high level rats - Lobby CCP for a different way to increase sec status - Fight in 0.0 - Wardec people you intend to kill Sorry that theres consequences for your actions and all that. It's a bummer.
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.12.04 00:46:00 - [5] You're killing 0.4 belt spawns, that's the problem. You need to go to a 0.3 agent system, and throw yourself at the feet of an agent.
Ed Gein	Posted - 2005.12.04 00:50:00 - [6] Originally by: banannagirl ONE whole year. THAT is almost a whole year playing this game - my sec level yesterday was at -2.02 so i decided to have a little fun .. for the first time in ages .. um... lol? I have played a little over a year and I have had my sec from -10 to -1.9 then back up again about 3 times. Go to 0.0 and chain BS's or do high level missions, no other option. Best is option three though, and thats to stop caring. ------------------------------- I have an idea. How about you get banned 15 minutes from the server everytime you take a sec hit ? --Lady Beeblebrox
banannagirl	Posted - 2005.12.04 00:55:00 - [7] NO ..... i dont want nto do missions the more missions i do the more the agnets grass up where i am ... ITS MY GAME ..... as well .. EVERYONE I HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO .... thinks the sec system absoultekly kills the game .. ! Ive been playing near on two years and its STILL the same but more weaponry is being produced ... PVP is PART of the damn game ... wake up please .. ccp ..! Even if you put rat totals as actual .. decrease iinstead of % those that do missions will still get an upper hand .. as they will all have PLUS o sec levels .. and can blow p more ships than we who dont do missions .. and even 0.0 sec level rats take ages to reduce sec level .. at 0.01 for a 500 k isk rat reduction .. thats 10 rats to only 0.1 sec level reduction thats .... a whole 100* 500 k rats to a full 1.0 sec level reduction .. so dont ****((it me with that mission rubbish .. that makes .... 1000 500 k rats .. to reduce your sec level from .. -10 to 0 1000 500 k rats you know how long that takes in stocking up on gear and ammo etc plus killing the rats .. ! BG http://www.artzgalaxies.com/
Claude Leon	Posted - 2005.12.04 01:02:00 - [8] Originally by: banannagirl Edited by: banannagirl on 04/12/2005 00:59:24 NO ..... i dont want to do missions ... ITS MY GAME ..... as well .. EVERYONE I HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO .... thinks the sec system absoultely kills the game .. ! Ive been playing near on two years and its STILL the same but more weaponry is being produced ... PVP is PART of the damn game ... wake up please .. ccp ..! Even if you put rat totals as actual decrease instead of % those that do missions will still get an upper hand .. as they will all have PLUS 0 sec levels .. and can blow up more ships than we do who dont do missions without getting neg status.. and even 0.0 sec level rats take ages to reduce sec level .. at 0.01 for a 500 k isk rat reduction is very slow .. thats 10 rats at 500 damn k to only 0.1 sec level reduction thats .... a whole 100* 500 k rats to a full 1.0 sec level reduction .. so dont *****it me with that mission rubbish .. that makes .... 1000 500 k rats .. to reduce your sec level from .. -10 to 0 - 1000 * 500 k rats you know how long that takes in stocking up on gear and ammo etc plus killing the rats .. ! Im not at -10.0 by the way .. but its taken me today 8 hours to reduce my sec level from -2.33 to -2.209 8 damn hours ... ! BG If you do the crime, then you do the time. Now, go wah somewhere else.
banannagirl	Posted - 2005.12.04 01:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Claude Leon Originally by: banannagirl Edited by: banannagirl on 04/12/2005 00:59:24 NO ..... i dont want to do missions ... ITS MY GAME ..... as well .. EVERYONE I HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO .... thinks the sec system absoultely kills the game .. ! Ive been playing near on two years and its STILL the same but more weaponry is being produced ... PVP is PART of the damn game ... wake up please .. ccp ..! Even if you put rat totals as actual decrease instead of % those that do missions will still get an upper hand .. as they will all have PLUS 0 sec levels .. and can blow up more ships than we do who dont do missions without getting neg status.. and even 0.0 sec level rats take ages to reduce sec level .. at 0.01 for a 500 k isk rat reduction is very slow .. thats 10 rats at 500 damn k to only 0.1 sec level reduction thats .... a whole 100* 500 k rats to a full 1.0 sec level reduction .. so dont *****it me with that mission rubbish .. that makes .... 1000 500 k rats .. to reduce your sec level from .. -10 to 0 - 1000 * 500 k rats you know how long that takes in stocking up on gear and ammo etc plus killing the rats .. ! Im not at -10.0 by the way .. but its taken me today 8 hours to reduce my sec level from -2.33 to -2.209 8 damn hours ... ! IT TAKES ME EIGHT HOURS OF RATTING TO HAVE 4 minutes of fun ... 8.5 hours if you include waiting in dead space to leave the system .. ! Thats worse than when i was a dishwasher in a restaurant .. ! And im paying your mortgages ,... whos crazy ... ! BG If you do the crime, then you do the time. Now, go wah somewhere else. http://www.artzgalaxies.com/
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.12.04 01:09:00 - [10] Originally by: banannagirl ITS MY GAME ..... So why not just update the sec status system yourself then? ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
banannagirl	Posted - 2005.12.04 01:10:00 - [11] hey ed dont think for one second i dont know how to p;lay this game .. i know near on every aspect of it .. ganging etc ... and sec status etc etc .. I PLAY ON MY OWN ... I PAY ON MY OWN TO PLAY ON MY OWN ... i dont believe in the herd mentality ... ! This game is beginning to become visibly designed for the herd ... and not for hardcore gamers like me .. ! BG http://www.artzgalaxies.com/
Wee Dave	Posted - 2005.12.04 01:10:00 - [12] Originally by: banannagirl Edited by: banannagirl on 04/12/2005 00:59:24 NO ..... i dont want to do missions ... ITS MY GAME ..... as well .. EVERYONE I HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO .... thinks the sec system absoultely kills the game .. ! Ive been playing near on two years and its STILL the same but more weaponry is being produced ... PVP is PART of the damn game ... wake up please .. ccp ..! Even if you put rat totals as actual decrease instead of % those that do missions will still get an upper hand .. as they will all have PLUS 0 sec levels .. and can blow up more ships than we do who dont do missions without getting neg status.. and even 0.0 sec level rats take ages to reduce sec level .. at 0.01 for a 500 k isk rat reduction is very slow .. thats 10 rats at 500 damn k to only 0.1 sec level reduction thats .... a whole 100* 500 k rats to a full 1.0 sec level reduction .. so dont *****it me with that mission rubbish .. that makes .... 1000 500 k rats .. to reduce your sec level from .. -10 to 0 - 1000 * 500 k rats you know how long that takes in stocking up on gear and ammo etc plus killing the rats .. ! Im not at -10.0 by the way .. but its taken me today 8 hours to reduce my sec level from -2.33 to -2.209 8 damn hours ... ! BG That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. Players who enter 0.4 then get blown up should accept it because they made a conscious decision to put themselves in danger ... yet you should not be punished for attacking them even though it is a conscious act to put yourself in danger of the security forces? You do the crime you do the time. If you cannot afford to do the time, for god's sake keep it proportional and minimise the amount of stuff you attack. As in, once every couple months. At best. 0.4 rats are frigates and crappy baby cruisers. I can npc in a tristan down to 0.1 safely. Concord don't give you a decent sec boost because these npcs are a threat to nobody. And please don't start on the 'I pay for it, it's my game' argument. It is not your game - it is an online game, and as such you accept that in the event of player conflict what happens is based on factors other than what you desire. If your recent victims were to come here and argue pvp outside 0.0 should be impossible because ITS MY GAME AND I PAID FOR IT would you support them? It's the exact same logic.
banannagirl	Posted - 2005.12.04 01:32:00 - [13] Joshua .. its simple ... all at ccp want this game to do really well .. all that p[lay want this game to do really well .... including myself ... ! BUT ccp has to understand one thing ... it is a game ... and 50 % of that game .. (thats why they design weapons for ships ) is PVP designed ... ! All new players understand that if they want to have fun in this game they can go into 0.4 or below and mine more expensive ores get more isk quicker and buy better gear etc ... ! But their is a risk ... ! There will always be a risk .. RISK is what inspires epople to buy better ships and keep playing .. they get blown up they want blow people up simple ... ! AND FUN .... ! But they blow someeone up in their vexor a newb ... they get about two weeks ... jail ... sentence coz that is what rat killing is like ... ! A jail sentence it is so dull ... ! Going into 0.0 is good in theiory but ill bet most of you have never been there ... ! YOu are going to get MORE players playing if they can shoot a player down without being punished for it ... WE PAY TO B***** play this game ... ! If the kids parents that buy their kids accounts want to be copnceived to be MR or MRS EVE HERO .. youve ot to understand ... one thing .... most epople that play eve dont have kids that play alongsiode them .. .. this game has TWO apsects ,.... mining (including missions) and PVPING ... ! to blow up peoples ships is FUN .. and much better than picking up a damn knife and stabbing someone on a FRiday night. You make it impossible to do this people WONT PLAY the damn game .. ! I dont want a -10.0 sec level .. but i want to hunt PIRATES that have them. Even when i fire on a neg sec level pirate i get sec reduction .. wake UP CCP .. ! The sec system SUX bigtime ..... its stopping people cioming in on friday night a little tipsy having a bit of fun with their mates at their homes whilst their bird watches tv ... ! You blow a ship up .. you wake up in the morning ... you start to reuce your sec level .. and its a case .. na i cant be bothered ...and people leave .. ! RAT totals should not be nerfed ... they are fine as they are .. but the game ... sthey should be ACTUAL sec level reduction so a 55 k rat ... will reduce your sec level by 0.04 POinTS not % ... ! if you kill a ship .. then it should stay as it is .. after eight hours today of ratting i would have a sec level of .. about +4.0 instead of -2.209 ... had i podded anyone i would still have a bounty .. ! It should be BOUNTY that determines .. shoot on sight policy .. nopt sec status .. you can still shoot a pirate fifty times .. if they have a -10 sec level regardless of bounty ..! Thats a hell of a lot .. of times in a 0.4 system. I know at least ten pirate corps that have bases in plus 0.0 systems .. and they are as sick of the sec level system ... as i am .. ! Everytime they go out of the base they are locked and shot at ... ! regardless of bounty or not .. ! Ok they deserve it .. but no bounty whats the point of shooting another ship .. unless your hijacking .. etc .. ! And NO-one comes into 0.4 sectors BECAUSE its so damn difficult to reduce sec level .. we corps in 0.4 sytems also want new players to join us .. but they never get to see our corp adverts coz they are staying in 1.0 ... when they can afford and fly bs' and crusiers etc .. they join pirate corps .. ! A coz if they have neg sec levels they cant recoup the sec status due to time period and dullness .. B - thats why 90% of pirates have neg sec levels .. ! Coz they cant be bothered reducing them .. ! we should all have one player ... no alts .. and you would be inundated with complaints ... thats why there are so many people in ours etc etc ... its pirate alts getting stocks .. to pirate .. rather than being able to zip into plus 0.5 systems to get ore and make their own stuff .. ! Its killing the game ... the sec status system .. a 0.4 or below should be ample to reduce sec. http://www.artzgalaxies.com/
Facechanger2	Posted - 2005.12.04 01:34:00 - [14] Banannagirl / Melonboy... interesting. From your rantings, you do indeed sound like a girl, but your melonboy alt (main?) gives it all away. I can only assume you found a better reaction from people as a female and therefore stuck with the char. Now, people here have given you all the answers you need. So it's really up to you to accept them and then put them into practice, or you could just keep whining on here like you have been and expect the game to change around your needs. One will work, the other won't. Once you learn how to deal with emotions, the answer will be clear to you. Have fun on your voyage!
banannagirl	Posted - 2005.12.04 01:51:00 - [15] cont/d ... all those small new players in reapers and starter ships well their destiny is already planned .... they join pirate corps .. nearly every time coz they dont wnat to spend a year reducing their sec levels in their shiny new vexors after kiling ites with bs'. Grant me the abiltity and everyone else the ability to kill threats (in game of course) to their ships etc .. and it will open up the game ... ! All those big corps using new players to make them rich so they can fly the 'big' new ships as ceo's and pretned they have power ... wake up .. everyone .. ! We pay to fly those ships also .. ! regards BG http://www.artzgalaxies.com/
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2005.12.04 01:59:00 - [16] Originally by: banannagirl Ok .. please allow me to kick this off with an idea but first a little history of game play...! Yesterday i blew up two ships for the first time in about ONE whole year. Yes one year. About a year ago i started out on the pirate route but decided to turn back at a sec level of -4.6 due to not being able to enter systems. Since that fateful day and after blowing up about 5 ships to 8 ships with a couple of pods also .. i have been working at my sec level unceasingly .. THAT is almost a whole year playing this game - my sec level yesterday was at -2.02 so i decided to have a little fun .. for the first time in ages .. and yes i mean little .. upon warping into a belt i saw a vexor and proceeded to do the business successfully .. one ship destroyed.. ! Later on i went into another system and came upon a mining party and had a little more fun .. one mammoth destroyed .. the same belt a little later and one strip miner locked and the demand of 5 million isk was met without the need for further action on my behalf .. in total i accrued .. 2.0 % for the mammoth .. 0.5 times two for the vex or .. and 0.5 for the lock and scramble on the strip miner .. total time ..= no more than fourteen minutes of pvp .. ! total penalty accrued .. from -2.03 to -2.34. Ok this doesnt look much i hear you say .. ! Now then todays play as the above was last night. At around 16.30 pm uk time i entered eve and started to work on my sec level .. it is now .. 00.12 and i have just finished for the night .. ! Leisurely ratting but unceasingly for about 8 hours ... i have killed over two hundred rats in 0.4 space ... the average total of all the rats .. actually its more ;like three hundred i have ammassed 3 million 100 000 isk in all that time ... so work it out for yourself when the greatest amount on any rat is 55 000 isk .. the majority being between 17500 and 7000 isk .. ! Anyway .. looking at my sec level thinking that this should have been more than enough time to reduce my sec level 0.3 points... i am staggered to see my sec level is -2.20 .... that is a reduction of 0.1 sec level in eight hours of sec level constant reduction gameplay. If i hear anyone suggest i should go to 0.0 i will scream...!! Heres my advice keep the player ship destruction bonus the same ie percentage and the rat values as ACTUAL not percentage bonus to sec level standing ... or erradicate pvp sec level punishment altogether. It is a punishment that eve is visiting on people to play this game .. ! How logical is that ccp .. please answer the question .. I DONT PAY TO BE PUNISHED I PAY TO PLAY ... ! I can understand that you at ccp want more players and feel nervous about losing new players to pirates ... but this is an excuse to watse hours of peoples time reducing sec level after just doing what it is that we pay to do ... PLAY THE GAME ... PVP is part of this game .. look at the whole system of eve creation .. thats why eve has weapons ... that can be loaded onto ships for gods sake .. ! Its simple enough for new players to understand .. that where there are no police there is trouble .. its a fact of life .. ! So why is it that ccp aare punishing people that enjoy playing the game .. ! regards BG Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Banannagirl. Just face it it suks to be us! I think,I think,I think,I think I studdered.
Claude Leon	Posted - 2005.12.04 02:00:00 - [17] Originally by: banannagirl cont/d ... all those small new players in reapers and starter ships well their destiny is already planned .... they join pirate corps .. nearly every time coz they dont wnat to spend a year reducing their sec levels in their shiny new vexors after kiling ites with bs'. Grant me the abiltity and everyone else the ability to kill threats (in game of course) to their ships etc .. and it will open up the game ... ! All those big corps using new players to make them rich so they can fly the 'big' new ships as ceo's and pretned they have power ... wake up .. everyone .. ! We pay to fly those ships also .. ! regards BG What are you talking about? At first you talk about the sec rating. Now, you are ranting on about large corporations? Your whinage is amazing. Go, STFU and sit in the corner.
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.12.04 02:16:00 - [18] It is simple. If you want to solo-gank people in low-sec, there is no reason for you to be able to visit high-sec. If, having earned Outlaw status, you wish to visit high-sec, do missions. Don't like missions? Refer to the suggestion above. If being unable to enter high sec is a logistic inconvenience, make a hauler alt. You seem to want unrestricted PVP and no sec status penalty. The place for that is 0.0. Virtually all "hard core players" accept this state of affairs.
So'Kar	Posted - 2005.12.04 02:16:00 - [19] There is very easy way to raise your sec status without 0.0 or missions. Quit whining
Phoney Lisa	Posted - 2005.12.04 02:44:00 - [20] The problem is you. First off, go to 0.0. You dont need to be in some alliance, look how much space there is out there! Second, if you are incapable of that (which is clear) go to lower sec empire. I got multiple faction spawns that gave me good increases and 100's od millions in loot. The problem is you'd rather come whine on the forums than engage your brain.
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2005.12.04 02:47:00 - [21] Hey lets keep it friendly in here! ****! **!!
Skurlan	Posted - 2005.12.04 02:49:00 - [22] Originally by: banannagirl hey ed dont think for one second i dont know how to p;lay this game .. i know near on every aspect of it .. ganging etc ... and sec status etc etc .. I PLAY ON MY OWN ... I PAY ON MY OWN TO PLAY ON MY OWN ... i dont believe in the herd mentality ... ! This game is beginning to become visibly designed for the herd ... and not for hardcore gamers like me .. ! BG your statement answers your question completely, let's see if you can figure out why!
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.12.04 03:01:00 - [23] I forgot to say that killing 55k rats is kinda noob. You just can't fix sec status killing low-end NPCs. You can if you go for the tougher stuff.
Frankinator	Posted - 2005.12.04 03:13:00 - [24] Apples > Bananna's
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2005.12.04 03:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Frankinator Apples > Bananna's HONK IF YOU LOVE JESUS!
Hinik	Posted - 2005.12.04 03:17:00 - [26] frankly... I prefer grapse to both apples AND banannas... therefore: Grapes > Apples > Banannas
CamMan	Posted - 2005.12.04 03:38:00 - [27] So bananagirl, let me get this straight, you want to be the biggest badest n00by miner killer there is, in systems that are semi-protected by CONCORDOKEN. so you want to blow up non-aggressive miners without any recourse from the police.....???? I think miners would love that idea. Also there are ways to get your sec status up reasonably quickly, either do lvl 4 missions or go to 0.0. I dont think it is fair for the game to change around you, given that you are basically picking on miners. If you were actually after some real fighting then you could war declare. Cheers CamMan
Jared VonBargen	Posted - 2005.12.04 03:54:00 - [28] i casually played for about 2 weeks and increased my security from 0.0 to 0.1....dont worry about it....your on the road of progress....its a 12 step program :)
Ebil Fred	Posted - 2005.12.04 04:59:00 - [29] Quick question. If you haven't shot at anyone in a year then what have you been doing? The sec system is fine as it is. Ill admit its not pefect but you idea of being able to go on the rampage killing noobs in Kisogo or some other noob system and then being able to go and kill a few 50k rats for say 2 hours to fix your SS is just plain wrong. Only kill ppl in 0.0 and you'll never take a sec hit and i can assure you ppl do mine in 0.0 if easy targets are what your after. (\ _ (O /) o) . <) (> I cut up teh bunneh too.
Theonlystd	Posted - 2005.12.04 07:27:00 - [30] ahahahaha pirates whining is always fun ------------------------------------------- Aye Spellcheck is beyond me along with propper grammer.
Dau Imperius	Posted - 2005.12.04 07:54:00 - [31] A pirate complaining about security staus? First off...like they said, Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Secondly, this ain't your game. It sure as heck ain't my game and it's not everyone elses game (thank god). You can't be your pie-rat self and expect to be whistling home in secured space with the REAL law abiding citizens. Lastly, just go to 0.0..sheesh. Sounds like you'd fit in nicely there. You don't belong in secure space with an attitude like that.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.04 07:59:00 - [32] the recovery system is balanced - level 4 missions or even drone complexes recover it very very quickly
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.04 08:01:00 - [33] meh pirates belong in low sec and 0.0 why do u quickly want to get back into empire
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.12.04 08:12:00 - [34] Originally by: sonofollo the recovery system is balanced - level 4 missions or even drone complexes recover it very very quickly Drone complexes do zero for sec status.
IDesert FoxI	Posted - 2005.12.04 10:40:00 - [35] You ever think that the innocent people you randomly kill also pay for, and play the game the way they like it? You get a sec hit so you can not kill people randomly. Seriously, if you want to PVP, then why not go into 0.0 where you will have a challenge, instead of killing those incredibly dangerous miners we have all heared about.
Rangoon	Posted - 2005.12.04 11:03:00 - [36] Well, your mistaken, PvP is not part of the game, it is an option. CCP gives us carebears plenty to do to avoid PvP. Just like they give people who want to PvP plenty of opportunity to PvP. Now, you've chosen to PvP and know the rules and the formulas for sec status. CCP provides a mechanism for you to rapidly increase your security status. But you don't want to do it that way. Well ... thats your problem. The price of being the bad guy is simply more expensive then being a good guy .... There is no equity So, summary is: QQ boo hoo Go out into 0.0 to increase your sec status faster ... oh, no wait. Thats right, then you'll become the victim, and you don't want that now do you?
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.04 11:09:00 - [37] join a pirate corp that recovers their sec status quickly by a) doing low sec level 4 missions battleships recover a lot quicker than normal low sec NPCing b) head to 0.0 and recover with the BS spawns in a belt. The game is balanced - u may next request removing concord from high sec and giving youreself uber ship so no one can touch u while u kill other players * note sarcasim* the game is balanced thats it dont like it can i have youre stuff ?

Jacques Archambault	Posted - 2005.12.04 11:17:00 - [38] Thread cleaned. Please keep this thread polite and on-topic. Jacques' forum rules \| [email protected]

Galk	Posted - 2005.12.04 11:35:00 - [39] Just plex *****, we came to the conclusion thats what verone did to lose about 7.0 of his minus sec in little over a week. ----------- When they asked me if i knew you, id smile and say you were a friend of mine.
Chalice Ghant	Posted - 2005.12.04 11:39:00 - [40] tap tap. "Is this thing on" "what?" "Oh Ok" quote "If i hear anyone suggest i should go to 0.0 i will scream...!!" unquote Sooo basically you want to PvP against miners and other easy targets, whereas a move to 0.0 would put you at risk from some serious dudes who shoot first and don¦t bother asking the question afterwards. Then you whine about CCP making your life hard via the security rating system. quote "I can understand that you at ccp want more players and feel nervous about losing new players to pirates" unquote Please. You are not a pirate, you only think you are. More a school bully wth a bad case of acne. Actions in Eve as with actions in real life have consequences. Did you confuse LOW sec with 0.0? . Low sec means exactly what it says on the tin. It¦s low security not NO security. Concord may not turn up to spank your bottom, but they are taking notes.
Tony Fats	Posted - 2005.12.04 11:52:00 - [41] God save us from the neverending train of whiners. If you want to fight without losing sec hit, go fight in 0.0 You sound like one of those whiney noobs who come in here crying cuz they lost a ship. These are the game mechanics, deal with it.
Galk	Posted - 2005.12.04 12:19:00 - [42] Originally by: Tony Fats God save us from the neverending train of whiners. If you want to fight without losing sec hit, go fight in 0.0 You sound like one of those whiney noobs who come in here crying cuz they lost a ship. These are the game mechanics, deal with it. This isn't so far off the mark tbh. Countless times iv'e seen posts in here.. the 'iv'e just lost my ship ones' ect ect.... Many times the people that respond to those are people that frequent low sec space acting as the agressor. What they allways point out first is that there's pop up box that warns you of the concequences of going into a 0.4 or below system. This issue is no different what so ever, there is exactly that same pop up box that warns you of the concequences of your actions. The only difference being is that the shoe is on the other foot. So.... i doubt it very unlikely that ccp will negate low sec space as it is, so the concequences for 'both' sides remain. ----------- When they asked me if i knew you, id smile and say you were a friend of mine.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2005.12.04 12:25:00 - [43] Originally by: banannagirl i have killed over two hundred rats in 0.4 space The horror......the horror How can you put yourself through something like that???? Having to live on, one knows better than to value life too much.
Hephaesteus	Posted - 2005.12.04 12:46:00 - [44] BWAhahahahaha Get your lame ass into 0.0 where the hardcore pvpers are and stop whinning about your sec status, you're a pirate remember.
Siren Shiva	Posted - 2005.12.04 13:19:00 - [45] Originally by: banannagirl BUT ccp has to understand one thing ... it is a game ... and 50 % of that game .. (thats why they design weapons for ships ) is PVP designed ... ! Do you realize that solo ganking people in lowsec is not the only possibility to experience PvP? Also, do you realize that the game encourages and rewards team play? This is true for most MMO's that I know of.
Plib	Posted - 2005.12.04 13:44:00 - [46] Originally by: banannagirl Edited by: banannagirl on 04/12/2005 00:59:24 NO ..... i dont want to do missions ... ITS MY GAME ..... as well ..as well as what? As well as it's everyone's game? The sec status is the way it is to discourage people like you from ruining the game for people that aren't into PvP. Look at the map. See all the people in Empire? Those are the people who don't want to be blown up just to give you your kicks. They are in the majority. A little predation is one thing but there needs to be a deterent to stop you ruining the game for other people. If you want to blow people up go play in 0.0. You'll find plenty of people out there willing to fight. Of course you should bear in mind that they are very good at it and will probably hand your backside to you. Still - I'm sure a combat veteran like you doesn't really get his kicks from blowing up innocent players who can't fight back. You are man enough to take on someone that can stand up to you aren't you?
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.12.04 14:12:00 - [47] Priceless. So basically what you are saying is: "I kill people in empire but it takes ages to get my sec status back up because I don't want to use the game mechanics available like missions, complexes and 0.0 BS spawns. EVE is broken because this is not what I want to do." You kill stuff, you take a sec hit. And you know how long it takes to get it back up killing infantile 0.4 spawns, so it's your choice, it was your decision. Now suffer the consequences. ---------
Verone	Posted - 2005.12.04 14:18:00 - [48] People complaining about the security standing system do have a valid point that it is very laggy and unpredicatable when updating. The only problem I really see is that to complete a sec fix of the magnitude I did, and many other outlaws have, means that you have to have a lot of resources and access to 0.0 sec space. Other than that there is nothing wrong with it. I've been from 0.0 to -10, back to -1.5, back to -10 and back to -1.7 again. It took me 16 days to get from -10 to -1.7, running 7/10 angel complexes in 0.0 space in GW, I only just completed it and formed my own corp a week and a half ago. This discussion pops up time and time again, when new players read the forums and see fun in killing miners in lowsec. What they don't realise is that they actually need to be able to defend themselves when trouble arrives. And believe me it arrives. With large turrets and a BIG tank. That's when the problems start, and posts like this come out of the woodwork. Being outlaw made me who I am, and recently, coming back from outlaw status had made me get a new feel for eve, and made me realise how much the game's potential you lock out when you go -10. I literally made a fortune as an outlaw, working as a pirate, and ransoming or killing everything in sight, and for almost a year lead a ruthless and lawless existance in eve. The fact of the matter is that many new players recently are seeing it as "cool" to be an outlaw, and "cool" to have a bounty on their heads. Most of which are self placed in any case. This isn't true. You actually need to be able to FIGHT. Not shoot at a stationary target that's chewing veldspar in a belt. My advice, as a person who has been outlaw for a little under a year, would be to think about the consequences of your actions VERY CAREFULLY before you pull the trigger. I did, I learned to fight, and I went outlaw. It paid off. It's a long road back to positive sec, for the ten minutes it takes to get to -10. Think about your gameplay. Think about your options. Think about not being able to get into highsec space, and having to fly around empire borders, sometimes more than 70 jumps to get places. Think about the ganksquads that WILL come looking for you, think about the problems being freely attackable anywhere brings. Living as an outlaw is like living in 0.0, with all the drawbacks of being freely attackable, but none of the advantages of being able to shoot back unless agressed. New players need to realise that they need to know what they're doing. They need to know how to defend themselves, counter being attacked outnumbered, and how to run effectively when the time arrives. Being outlaw isn't "Cool" or "1337", it's a way of playing that people choose to take. People who know what they're doing. Anyone can claim to be a "pirate" and have a -10 security status. Actually being able to work a profit, and keep yourself supplied is another matter. Personally if it wasn't for dissagreements with my previous corp, I'd still be prowling lowsec, killing people and reaping the rewards, because in my opinion it's the most rewarding way to play eve. Still, my advice stands. If you're not prepared to NPC for a while when you want back into empire, then don't go around killing people. It's as simple as that. Risk Verus Reward my friends. Take the risk, feel the rewards. Just prepare for the consequences.
Balklanac	Posted - 2005.12.04 14:21:00 - [49] Bananagirl needs some <3
Cypherous	Posted - 2005.12.04 15:00:00 - [50] /me hugs banannagirl There there young one, we shall edumacate you in the use of BS spawns in 0.0, i recently went full pirate and yes its hard but i have had to adapt to not being allowed in empire by jumping in to a .7 system in a geddon and popping faction police ^^ But seriously you made the choice to ruin your sec and now you have to pay for it, join a 0.0 alliance and enjoy the game its more fun with others than it is alone.
EvilDoomer	Posted - 2005.12.04 15:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Deja Thoris A week or so ago my alt smartbombed and podkilled 5 macrominers. She went down to -3.2 After a bit of mission whoring shes at -0.7 Kill npc BS, not weenie frigs You should get a medal for killing 5 macrominers. Thanks EvilDoomer Chicago Mobsters In-Game Channel:DAMOB
EvilDoomer	Posted - 2005.12.04 15:38:00 - [52] Originally by: Verone People complaining about the security standing system do have a valid point that it is very laggy and unpredicatable when updating. The only problem I really see is that to complete a sec fix of the magnitude I did, and many other outlaws have, means that you have to have a lot of resources and access to 0.0 sec space. Other than that there is nothing wrong with it. I've been from 0.0 to -10, back to -1.5, back to -10 and back to -1.7 again. It took me 16 days to get from -10 to -1.7, running 7/10 angel complexes in 0.0 space in GW, I only just completed it and formed my own corp a week and a half ago. This discussion pops up time and time again, when new players read the forums and see fun in killing miners in lowsec. What they don't realise is that they actually need to be able to defend themselves when trouble arrives. And believe me it arrives. With large turrets and a BIG tank. That's when the problems start, and posts like this come out of the woodwork. Being outlaw made me who I am, and recently, coming back from outlaw status had made me get a new feel for eve, and made me realise how much the game's potential you lock out when you go -10. I literally made a fortune as an outlaw, working as a pirate, and ransoming or killing everything in sight, and for almost a year lead a ruthless and lawless existance in eve. The fact of the matter is that many new players recently are seeing it as "cool" to be an outlaw, and "cool" to have a bounty on their heads. Most of which are self placed in any case. This isn't true. You actually need to be able to FIGHT. Not shoot at a stationary target that's chewing veldspar in a belt. My advice, as a person who has been outlaw for a little under a year, would be to think about the consequences of your actions VERY CAREFULLY before you pull the trigger. I did, I learned to fight, and I went outlaw. It paid off. It's a long road back to positive sec, for the ten minutes it takes to get to -10. Think about your gameplay. Think about your options. Think about not being able to get into highsec space, and having to fly around empire borders, sometimes more than 70 jumps to get places. Think about the ganksquads that WILL come looking for you, think about the problems being freely attackable anywhere brings. Living as an outlaw is like living in 0.0, with all the drawbacks of being freely attackable, but none of the advantages of being able to shoot back unless agressed. New players need to realise that they need to know what they're doing. They need to know how to defend themselves, counter being attacked outnumbered, and how to run effectively when the time arrives. Being outlaw isn't "Cool" or "1337", it's a way of playing that people choose to take. People who know what they're doing. Anyone can claim to be a "pirate" and have a -10 security status. Actually being able to work a profit, and keep yourself supplied is another matter. Personally if it wasn't for dissagreements with my previous corp, I'd still be prowling lowsec, killing people and reaping the rewards, because in my opinion it's the most rewarding way to play eve. Still, my advice stands. If you're not prepared to NPC for a while when you want back into empire, then don't go around killing people. It's as simple as that. Risk Verus Reward my friends. Take the risk, feel the rewards. Just prepare for the consequences. Well written and should get a sticky for it. Im impressed. Thanks EvilDoomer Chicago Mobsters In-Game Channel:DAMOB
Thomus	Posted - 2005.12.04 15:41:00 - [53] To the OP, i don't agree with your method of ISK-aquirement. The people that you have taken money from have had to spend RL time sitting and doing it, and u come and ruin their day. In my opinion, and im not saying it's right, but imho you are no better than a school bully. You can disagree, that's your choice, I play this for its business side, so I have a different view. But to your point about sec levels, CCP want people out of Empire space, so if by having the system the way it is, you can't enter Empire, then well done CCP. If everyone has low sec levels, and everyone is pushed out of the center of the galaxy, then thats a good thing. In a way, I'm saying yes, move to 0.0. Whats wrong with it out there anyways? If its a lack of people to kill, thats your problem. lol. I suppose other players in 0.0 are better equiped to shoot you back, and you don't like that. So are you suggesting that CCP change this so that you can kill more innocent players who are spending time doing what they want to do? ---------------- Tom
Meeko Gloom	Posted - 2005.12.04 17:27:00 - [54] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Priceless. So basically what you are saying is: "I kill people in empire but it takes ages to get my sec status back up because I don't want to use the game mechanics available like missions, complexes and 0.0 BS spawns. EVE is broken because this is not what I want to do." You kill stuff, you take a sec hit. And you know how long it takes to get it back up killing infantile 0.4 spawns, so it's your choice, it was your decision. Now suffer the consequences. Nuff said ________________________________________________ Pls Dont Flame Me Cuz I DONT Give A **** Demons of Razgis
Moxprow	Posted - 2005.12.04 20:15:00 - [55] The mechanics exist to fix your security status but you refuse to use them. The problem is yours alone. As a new PVPer a couple months ago I went as low as -3.6 before I started doing missions and complexes. I raised my status while still killing people daily. It can be done in far less time than you are suggesting. Stop complaining and use the tools provided.
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.12.04 20:23:00 - [56] Originally by: banannagirl Edited by: banannagirl on 04/12/2005 00:59:24 NO ..... i dont want to do missions ... ITS MY GAME ..... as well .. EVERYONE I HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO .... thinks the sec system absoultely kills the game .. ! Ive been playing near on two years and its STILL the same but more weaponry is being produced ... PVP is PART of the damn game ... wake up please .. ccp ..! Even if you put rat totals as actual decrease instead of % those that do missions will still get an upper hand .. as they will all have PLUS 0 sec levels .. and can blow up more ships than we do who dont do missions without getting neg status.. and even 0.0 sec level rats take ages to reduce sec level .. at 0.01 for a 500 k isk rat reduction is very slow .. thats 10 rats at 500 damn k to only 0.1 sec level reduction thats .... a whole 100* 500 k rats to a full 1.0 sec level reduction .. so dont *****it me with that mission rubbish .. that makes .... 1000 500 k rats .. to reduce your sec level from .. -10 to 0 - 1000 * 500 k rats you know how long that takes in stocking up on gear and ammo etc plus killing the rats .. ! Im not at -10.0 by the way .. but its taken me today 8 hours to reduce my sec level from -2.33 to -2.209 8 damn hours ... ! BG It's not your game. It's CCP's game. If you'd play WoW and are whining that there are no spaceships in the game, are you going to use this exact same argument there too? You knew what you were getting yourself into by killing enemy ships. There are ways to get up sec status fast, they have been stated in this very thread. Accept both facts, or play another game - it's that simple.
BlackHole Bob	Posted - 2005.12.04 20:50:00 - [57] Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 04/12/2005 20:51:07 doesn't it suck to want to bend the rules to fit your crimes better and find out it is not going to happen??? quit shooting players and maybe you wouldn't have to worry bout sec... or better yet...start warr deccing and then you will have all the PVP you want without sec status... you lament on in the help channel about the same subject for hours somedays... face it bannanagirl ---- your a sucky pirate who won't war decc player corp cause your to chicken and now you want have and easy out for crimes.... by the way...I have heard your :ITS MY GAME: defense many times... obviously its NOT your game or you wouldnt be still lamenting on about the sec system with zero results for months....for YOUR GAME its people like you I love to kill head up, straight on, and you will see it coming..... i marked you to -10.0 long ago so see ya around sometime ....hopefully...in game...maybe you will be typing in local and whining about sec status system again while you flashing into your pod
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2005.12.05 01:01:00 - [58] Originally by: So'Kar There is very easy way to raise your sec status without 0.0 or missions. Quit whining How ? I just ask, because 0.0 hunting and lvl.4 missions are not an option for the younger pirates. I mean, I'm quite sure that I could regain my security rating quite fast, since it took me only two weeks or so to get from 1.7 to 5.0 after I began ratting in 0.0. But as a newbie it took a long time for me to get from 0.0 to 0.7 or something like that, I mean before I did lvl.4 missions. ___________ 'Wanna-not-be forum warrior. <3'
Vasco DaGama	Posted - 2005.12.07 11:50:00 - [59] Banana If you really really really want to play on your own, outside a corp, and shoot anyone without bearing the consequences ... go play quake or doom !!! Vasco Vasco DaGama It's a beautiful day The sun is shining I feel good And no-one, no-one's gonna stop me now
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.07 12:05:00 - [60] Alternative methods to 0.0 or lvl4 grinding need to be put in place. The alternatives do not have to be quicker, but they do have to be a viable method for anyone to increase sec status. The current requirements for fast sec recovery are just to high. Killing NPC battleships should not be the only method of reform. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Jacob ocho	Posted - 2005.12.07 12:25:00 - [61] You said it yourself, you know the mechanics of the game so you know how to get your sec back up. You may not like it but then again I don't like having to go to low sec for high end ores but I'm not whining about there being no crokite in 0.8 systems, I go anyway because I have to. We all face the consequences of our actions, if you don't like yours then don't pick on nasty miners.
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.12.07 12:29:00 - [62] Originally by: banannagirl Edited by: banannagirl on 04/12/2005 00:59:24 NO ..... i dont want to do missions ... ITS MY GAME ..... No it's not. It's CCP's game and you're playing it. Don't think paying a little money every month gives you the right to bypass any of the in-game systems designed to stop griefing.
Zakgram	Posted - 2005.12.07 12:30:00 - [63] Originally by: Avon The current requirements for fast sec recovery are just to high. Killing NPC battleships should not be the only method of reform. That would be nice; I'm doing lots of lvl 2 missions, I'm doing 4/10 complexes, I'm waiting to get lvl 3 missions, y.a.w.n. BTW - I'm not a pirate either - just a pilot wanting to get ahead.
branodn lee	Posted - 2005.12.07 12:32:00 - [64] just so you know i have been soloing lev4 missions and i only get if im lucky 3sec increases a day so it dont matter how many npc bs.
Gonada	Posted - 2005.12.07 12:37:00 - [65] Edited by: Gonada on 07/12/2005 12:37:28 dear OP: know the saying " do the crime, do the time"? well guess what whiner, thats what you get for going pirate, i just love your reasoning bout it too, you think you can get the best of both worlds in a short time of ratting ? "ya i go kill innocent people, ruin their day, but hey wth is wrong? i cant get good guy status by npcing for a short time?" you made your bed, lie in it. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Matuk Grymwal	Posted - 2005.12.27 06:18:00 - [66] LOL this post is gold - my POTM. I'd add my 2c but everyone else has already said it.
slip66	Posted - 2005.12.27 06:25:00 - [67] empire pirating is stupid IMO. The only reson to do it is for profit. But you can make more in 0.0 npcing IMO. Go join a pvp corp you will have more fun and no stupid security lose that take months to get back up.
slip66	Posted - 2005.12.27 06:25:00 - [68] empire pirating is stupid IMO. The only reson to do it is for profit. But you can make more in 0.0 npcing IMO. Go join a pvp corp you will have more fun and no stupid security lose that take months to get back up.
Elarre Lambent	Posted - 2005.12.27 07:45:00 - [69] Originally by: banannagirl hey ed dont think for one second i dont know how to p;lay this game .. i know near on every aspect of it .. ganging etc ... and sec status etc etc .. I PLAY ON MY OWN ... I PAY ON MY OWN TO PLAY ON MY OWN ... i dont believe in the herd mentality ... ! This game is beginning to become visibly designed for the herd ... and not for hardcore gamers like me .. ! Can I have your stuff?
Peter Armstrong	Posted - 2005.12.27 07:57:00 - [70] simple dont pirate. Nothing wrong with the system at all. Even its a game its made to be like RL in a weird way. So u do the crime u do the time so tuff.
Peter Armstrong	Posted - 2005.12.27 08:01:00 - [71] Originally by: Elarre Lambent Originally by: banannagirl hey ed dont think for one second i dont know how to p;lay this game .. i know near on every aspect of it .. ganging etc ... and sec status etc etc .. I PLAY ON MY OWN ... I PAY ON MY OWN TO PLAY ON MY OWN ... i dont believe in the herd mentality ... ! This game is beginning to become visibly designed for the herd ... and not for hardcore gamers like me .. ! Can I have your stuff?
xBounty Hunterx	Posted - 2006.01.22 03:32:00 - [72] This has to be the most pointless post ever.... you wanted to have a little fun so you killed someone and complain you wasted 8 hours? And of course PVP is part of this game, so is sec rating increase and decrease, and farming. These are all the consecquences of piracy so stop complaining. Yar Me Mateys!
nahtoh	Posted - 2006.01.22 04:07:00 - [73] Originally by: banannagirl Edited by: banannagirl on 04/12/2005 00:59:24 NO ..... i dont want to do missions ... ITS MY GAME ..... as well .. EVERYONE I HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO .... thinks the sec system absoultely kills the game .. ! Ive been playing near on two years and its STILL the same but more weaponry is being produced ... PVP is PART of the damn game ... wake up please .. ccp ..! Even if you put rat totals as actual decrease instead of % those that do missions will still get an upper hand .. as they will all have PLUS 0 sec levels .. and can blow up more ships than we do who dont do missions without getting neg status.. and even 0.0 sec level rats take ages to reduce sec level .. at 0.01 for a 500 k isk rat reduction is very slow .. thats 10 rats at 500 damn k to only 0.1 sec level reduction thats .... a whole 100* 500 k rats to a full 1.0 sec level reduction .. so dont *****it me with that mission rubbish .. that makes .... 1000 500 k rats .. to reduce your sec level from .. -10 to 0 - 1000 * 500 k rats you know how long that takes in stocking up on gear and ammo etc plus killing the rats .. ! Im not at -10.0 by the way .. but its taken me today 8 hours to reduce my sec level from -2.33 to -2.209 8 damn hours ... ! BG Boo Farging Hoo...whats the matter not want to chance running into anybody that can actually give you a run for your money? (not wanting to go 0.0). Also you want a quick easy way to increase your SS so you can jump into SAFE SPACE while no doubt wanting the added benifet of not showing as having a lowsec rating while looking for easy kills. Lets look at your little whine shall we? You are not looking for PvP you are looking for easy kills with no comeback...AH to hear your whinnes when you get bitten by kill rights will be so sweet... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Katrana Lifebane	Posted - 2006.01.22 08:52:00 - [74] Edited by: Katrana Lifebane on 22/01/2006 08:54:20 Edited by: Katrana Lifebane on 22/01/2006 08:54:02 Your.................like the beast player in this... game... I know... we pay for the game... ITS MY GAME....... I pay for a reason........... i have the option to quit........... but no ITS MY GAME OMG........ i was stupid to sign up for 1 year lol.... but ITS MY GAME... I pay so i get special privledges compare to........ people who do pay for the game LOL........ dere fault.... I wanna kill 3k rats and gain form -..........10 to........6 lol.... i think dis is rite... CCP should start immediatlyllol it took my parents....... 5 days ... to pay for this game........... OMG i deserve special stuffos..... 5 hole days..!!!

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