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banannagirl
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Posted - 2005.12.04 00:28:00 -
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Ok .. please allow me to kick this off with an idea but first a little history of game play...!
Yesterday i blew up two ships for the first time in about ONE whole year. Yes one year. About a year ago i started out on the pirate route but decided to turn back at a sec level of -4.6 due to not being able to enter systems.
Since that fateful day and after blowing up about 5 ships to 8 ships with a couple of pods also .. i have been working at my sec level unceasingly .. THAT is almost a whole year playing this game - my sec level yesterday was at -2.02 so i decided to have a little fun .. for the first time in ages .. and yes i mean little .. upon warping into a belt i saw a vexor and proceeded to do the business successfully .. one ship destroyed.. ! Later on i went into another system and came upon a mining party and had a little more fun .. one mammoth destroyed .. the same belt a little later and one strip miner locked and the demand of 5 million isk was met without the need for further action on my behalf .. in total i accrued .. 2.0 % for the mammoth .. 0.5 times two for the vex or .. and 0.5 for the lock and scramble on the strip miner .. total time ..= no more than fourteen minutes of pvp .. ! total penalty accrued .. from -2.03 to -2.34. Ok this doesnt look much i hear you say .. !
Now then todays play as the above was last night. At around 16.30 pm uk time i entered eve and started to work on my sec level .. it is now .. 00.12 and i have just finished for the night .. ! Leisurely ratting but unceasingly for about 8 hours ... i have killed over two hundred rats in 0.4 space ... the average total of all the rats .. actually its more ;like three hundred i have ammassed 3 million 100 000 isk in all that time ... so work it out for yourself when the greatest amount on any rat is 55 000 isk .. the majority being between 17500 and 7000 isk .. ! Anyway .. looking at my sec level thinking that this should have been more than enough time to reduce my sec level 0.3 points... i am staggered to see my sec level is -2.20 .... that is a reduction of 0.1 sec level in eight hours of sec level constant reduction gameplay.
If i hear anyone suggest i should go to 0.0 i will scream...!!
Thats EIGHT HOURS of the most boring damn aspect of eve killing rats in 0.4. When is eve going to wake up to the reality that PVP is part of the game .... ! new players KNOW all to well that if they are mining in 0.4 space and below they are likely to get into trouble if they mine before they are ready ...! If you make it easier to reduce sec rating by making the totals NOT percentage but ACTUAL sec reduction - so a 55 kl rat at 0.4% becomes a 55 k rat at .. 0.4 sec level reduction.. ! Missions are for ratting and practising weapons .. rats in belts are to make mining more difficult ...they are certainly not for sec level reduction at this time.. ! WHEREVER THEY ARE.. !
Heres my advice keep the player ship destruction bonus the same ie percentage and the rat values as ACTUAL not percentage bonus to sec level standing ... or erradicate pvp sec level punishment altogether. It is a punishment that eve is visiting on people to play this game .. ! How logical is that ccp .. please answer the question .. I DONT PAY TO BE PUNISHED I PAY TO PLAY ... !
I can understand that you at ccp want more players and feel nervous about losing new players to pirates ... but this is an excuse to watse hours of peoples time reducing sec level after just doing what it is that we pay to do ... PLAY THE GAME ... PVP is part of this game .. look at the whole system of eve creation .. thats why eve has weapons ... that can be loaded onto ships for gods sake .. !
Its simple enough for new players to understand .. that where there are no police there is trouble .. its a fact of life .. ! So why is it that ccp aare punishing people that enjoy playing the game .. !
regards BG
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.04 00:31:00 -
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A week or so ago my alt smartbombed and podkilled 5 macrominers.
She went down to -3.2
After a bit of mission whoring shes at -0.7
Kill npc BS, not weenie frigs
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melonboy
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Posted - 2005.12.04 00:33:00 -
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please be specific ... a bit .. what does that mean ... and i dont want to do missions... !
regards BG
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.04 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: melonboy please be specific ... a bit .. what does that mean ... and i dont want to do missions... !
regards BG
At present missions or 0.0 ratting are the only way to meaningfully affect sec status.
This leaves you with a few options (but first I'd suggest learning the game mechanics) - Dont kill people if you cant get your sec back up - Kill high level rats - Lobby CCP for a different way to increase sec status - Fight in 0.0 - Wardec people you intend to kill
Sorry that theres consequences for your actions and all that. It's a bummer.
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.12.04 00:46:00 -
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You're killing 0.4 belt spawns, that's the problem. You need to go to a 0.3 agent system, and throw yourself at the feet of an agent.
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Ed Gein
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Posted - 2005.12.04 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: banannagirl ONE whole year. THAT is almost a whole year playing this game - my sec level yesterday was at -2.02 so i decided to have a little fun .. for the first time in ages ..
um... lol? I have played a little over a year and I have had my sec from -10 to -1.9 then back up again about 3 times. Go to 0.0 and chain BS's or do high level missions, no other option. Best is option three though, and thats to stop caring.  ------------------------------- I have an idea.
How about you get banned 15 minutes from the server everytime you take a sec hit ? --Lady Beeblebrox |

banannagirl
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Posted - 2005.12.04 00:55:00 -
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NO ..... i dont want nto do missions the more missions i do the more the agnets grass up where i am ... ITS MY GAME ..... as well .. EVERYONE I HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO .... thinks the sec system absoultekly kills the game .. !
Ive been playing near on two years and its STILL the same but more weaponry is being produced ... PVP is PART of the damn game ... wake up please .. ccp ..! Even if you put rat totals as actual .. decrease iinstead of % those that do missions will still get an upper hand .. as they will all have PLUS o sec levels .. and can blow p more ships than we who dont do missions .. and even 0.0 sec level rats take ages to reduce sec level .. at 0.01 for a 500 k isk rat reduction .. thats 10 rats to only 0.1 sec level reduction thats .... a whole 100* 500 k rats to a full 1.0 sec level reduction .. so dont ****((it me with that mission rubbish .. that makes .... 1000 500 k rats .. to reduce your sec level from .. -10 to 0 1000 500 k rats you know how long that takes in stocking up on gear and ammo etc plus killing the rats .. !
BG
http://www.artzgalaxies.com/ |

Claude Leon
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Posted - 2005.12.04 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: banannagirl Edited by: banannagirl on 04/12/2005 00:59:24 NO ..... i dont want to do missions ... ITS MY GAME ..... as well .. EVERYONE I HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO .... thinks the sec system absoultely kills the game .. !
Ive been playing near on two years and its STILL the same but more weaponry is being produced ... PVP is PART of the damn game ... wake up please .. ccp ..!
Even if you put rat totals as actual decrease instead of % those that do missions will still get an upper hand .. as they will all have PLUS 0 sec levels .. and can blow up more ships than we do who dont do missions without getting neg status.. and even 0.0 sec level rats take ages to reduce sec level .. at 0.01 for a 500 k isk rat reduction is very slow .. thats 10 rats at 500 damn k to only 0.1 sec level reduction thats .... a whole 100* 500 k rats to a full 1.0 sec level reduction .. so dont ******it me with that mission rubbish .. that makes .... 1000* 500 k rats .. to reduce your sec level from .. -10 to 0 - 1000 * 500 k rats you know how long that takes in stocking up on gear and ammo etc plus killing the rats .. !
Im not at -10.0 by the way .. but its taken me today 8 hours to reduce my sec level from -2.33 to -2.209 8 damn hours ... !
BG
If you do the crime, then you do the time. Now, go wah somewhere else. |

banannagirl
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Posted - 2005.12.04 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Claude Leon
Originally by: banannagirl Edited by: banannagirl on 04/12/2005 00:59:24 NO ..... i dont want to do missions ... ITS MY GAME ..... as well .. EVERYONE I HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO .... thinks the sec system absoultely kills the game .. !
Ive been playing near on two years and its STILL the same but more weaponry is being produced ... PVP is PART of the damn game ... wake up please .. ccp ..!
Even if you put rat totals as actual decrease instead of % those that do missions will still get an upper hand .. as they will all have PLUS 0 sec levels .. and can blow up more ships than we do who dont do missions without getting neg status.. and even 0.0 sec level rats take ages to reduce sec level .. at 0.01 for a 500 k isk rat reduction is very slow .. thats 10 rats at 500 damn k to only 0.1 sec level reduction thats .... a whole 100* 500 k rats to a full 1.0 sec level reduction .. so dont ******it me with that mission rubbish .. that makes .... 1000* 500 k rats .. to reduce your sec level from .. -10 to 0 - 1000 * 500 k rats you know how long that takes in stocking up on gear and ammo etc plus killing the rats .. !
Im not at -10.0 by the way .. but its taken me today 8 hours to reduce my sec level from -2.33 to -2.209 8 damn hours ... !
IT TAKES ME EIGHT HOURS OF RATTING TO HAVE 4 minutes of fun ... 8.5 hours if you include waiting in dead space to leave the system .. !
Thats worse than when i was a dishwasher in a restaurant .. ! And im paying your mortgages ,... whos crazy ... !
BG
If you do the crime, then you do the time. Now, go wah somewhere else.
http://www.artzgalaxies.com/ |

Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.04 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: banannagirl ITS MY GAME .....
So why not just update the sec status system yourself then?  ------------------
[Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |

banannagirl
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Posted - 2005.12.04 01:10:00 -
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hey ed dont think for one second i dont know how to p;lay this game .. i know near on every aspect of it .. ganging etc ... and sec status etc etc .. I PLAY ON MY OWN ... I PAY ON MY OWN TO PLAY ON MY OWN ... i dont believe in the herd mentality ... !
This game is beginning to become visibly designed for the herd ... and not for hardcore gamers like me .. !
BG
http://www.artzgalaxies.com/ |

Wee Dave
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Posted - 2005.12.04 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: banannagirl Edited by: banannagirl on 04/12/2005 00:59:24 NO ..... i dont want to do missions ... ITS MY GAME ..... as well .. EVERYONE I HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO .... thinks the sec system absoultely kills the game .. !
Ive been playing near on two years and its STILL the same but more weaponry is being produced ... PVP is PART of the damn game ... wake up please .. ccp ..!
Even if you put rat totals as actual decrease instead of % those that do missions will still get an upper hand .. as they will all have PLUS 0 sec levels .. and can blow up more ships than we do who dont do missions without getting neg status.. and even 0.0 sec level rats take ages to reduce sec level .. at 0.01 for a 500 k isk rat reduction is very slow .. thats 10 rats at 500 damn k to only 0.1 sec level reduction thats .... a whole 100* 500 k rats to a full 1.0 sec level reduction .. so dont ******it me with that mission rubbish .. that makes .... 1000* 500 k rats .. to reduce your sec level from .. -10 to 0 - 1000 * 500 k rats you know how long that takes in stocking up on gear and ammo etc plus killing the rats .. !
Im not at -10.0 by the way .. but its taken me today 8 hours to reduce my sec level from -2.33 to -2.209 8 damn hours ... !
BG
That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. Players who enter 0.4 then get blown up should accept it because they made a conscious decision to put themselves in danger ... yet you should not be punished for attacking them even though it is a conscious act to put yourself in danger of the security forces?
You do the crime you do the time. If you cannot afford to do the time, for god's sake keep it proportional and minimise the amount of stuff you attack. As in, once every couple months. At best.
0.4 rats are frigates and crappy baby cruisers. I can npc in a tristan down to 0.1 safely. Concord don't give you a decent sec boost because these npcs are a threat to nobody.
And please don't start on the 'I pay for it, it's my game' argument. It is not your game - it is an online game, and as such you accept that in the event of player conflict what happens is based on factors other than what you desire. If your recent victims were to come here and argue pvp outside 0.0 should be impossible because ITS MY GAME AND I PAID FOR IT would you support them? It's the exact same logic.
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banannagirl
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Posted - 2005.12.04 01:32:00 -
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Joshua .. its simple ... all at ccp want this game to do really well .. all that p[lay want this game to do really well .... including myself ... !
BUT ccp has to understand one thing ... it is a game ... and 50 % of that game .. (thats why they design weapons for ships ) is PVP designed ... !
All new players understand that if they want to have fun in this game they can go into 0.4 or below and mine more expensive ores get more isk quicker and buy better gear etc ... !
But their is a risk ... ! There will always be a risk .. RISK is what inspires epople to buy better ships and keep playing .. they get blown up they want blow people up simple ... ! AND FUN .... !
But they blow someeone up in their vexor a newb ... they get about two weeks ... jail ... sentence coz that is what rat killing is like ... ! A jail sentence it is so dull ... ! Going into 0.0 is good in theiory but ill bet most of you have never been there ... !
YOu are going to get MORE players playing if they can shoot a player down without being punished for it ... WE PAY TO B***** play this game ... !
If the kids parents that buy their kids accounts want to be copnceived to be MR or MRS EVE HERO .. youve ot to understand ... one thing .... most epople that play eve dont have kids that play alongsiode them .. .. this game has TWO apsects ,.... mining (including missions) and PVPING ... !
to blow up peoples ships is FUN .. and much better than picking up a damn knife and stabbing someone on a FRiday night. You make it impossible to do this people WONT PLAY the damn game .. !
I dont want a -10.0 sec level .. but i want to hunt PIRATES that have them. Even when i fire on a neg sec level pirate i get sec reduction .. wake UP CCP .. ! The sec system SUX bigtime ..... its stopping people cioming in on friday night a little tipsy having a bit of fun with their mates at their homes whilst their bird watches tv ... !
You blow a ship up .. you wake up in the morning ... you start to reuce your sec level .. and its a case .. na i cant be bothered ...and people leave .. !
RAT totals should not be nerfed ... they are fine as they are .. but the game ... sthey should be ACTUAL sec level reduction so a 55 k rat ... will reduce your sec level by 0.04 POinTS not % ... !
if you kill a ship .. then it should stay as it is .. after eight hours today of ratting i would have a sec level of .. about +4.0 instead of -2.209 ... had i podded anyone i would still have a bounty .. ! It should be BOUNTY that determines .. shoot on sight policy .. nopt sec status .. you can still shoot a pirate fifty times .. if they have a -10 sec level regardless of bounty ..! Thats a hell of a lot .. of times in a 0.4 system. I know at least ten pirate corps that have bases in plus 0.0 systems .. and they are as sick of the sec level system ... as i am .. !
Everytime they go out of the base they are locked and shot at ... ! regardless of bounty or not .. ! Ok they deserve it .. but no bounty whats the point of shooting another ship .. unless your hijacking .. etc .. !
And NO-one comes into 0.4 sectors BECAUSE its so damn difficult to reduce sec level .. we corps in 0.4 sytems also want new players to join us .. but they never get to see our corp adverts coz they are staying in 1.0 ... when they can afford and fly bs' and crusiers etc .. they join pirate corps .. ! A coz if they have neg sec levels they cant recoup the sec status due to time period and dullness .. B - thats why 90% of pirates have neg sec levels .. ! Coz they cant be bothered reducing them .. !
we should all have one player ... no alts .. and you would be inundated with complaints ... thats why there are so many people in ours etc etc ... its pirate alts getting stocks .. to pirate .. rather than being able to zip into plus 0.5 systems to get ore and make their own stuff .. !
Its killing the game ... the sec status system .. a 0.4 or below should be ample to reduce sec. http://www.artzgalaxies.com/ |

Facechanger2
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Posted - 2005.12.04 01:34:00 -
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Banannagirl / Melonboy... interesting.
From your rantings, you do indeed sound like a girl, but your melonboy alt (main?) gives it all away. I can only assume you found a better reaction from people as a female and therefore stuck with the char.
Now, people here have given you all the answers you need. So it's really up to you to accept them and then put them into practice, or you could just keep whining on here like you have been and expect the game to change around your needs. One will work, the other won't. Once you learn how to deal with emotions, the answer will be clear to you.
Have fun on your voyage!
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banannagirl
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Posted - 2005.12.04 01:51:00 -
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cont/d ...
all those small new players in reapers and starter ships well their destiny is already planned .... they join pirate corps .. nearly every time coz they dont wnat to spend a year reducing their sec levels in their shiny new vexors after kiling ites with bs'.
Grant me the abiltity and everyone else the ability to kill threats (in game of course) to their ships etc .. and it will open up the game ... ! All those big corps using new players to make them rich so they can fly the 'big' new ships as ceo's and pretned they have power ... wake up .. everyone .. !
We pay to fly those ships also .. !
regards BG
http://www.artzgalaxies.com/ |

Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2005.12.04 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: banannagirl Ok .. please allow me to kick this off with an idea but first a little history of game play...!
Yesterday i blew up two ships for the first time in about ONE whole year. Yes one year. About a year ago i started out on the pirate route but decided to turn back at a sec level of -4.6 due to not being able to enter systems.
Since that fateful day and after blowing up about 5 ships to 8 ships with a couple of pods also .. i have been working at my sec level unceasingly .. THAT is almost a whole year playing this game - my sec level yesterday was at -2.02 so i decided to have a little fun .. for the first time in ages .. and yes i mean little .. upon warping into a belt i saw a vexor and proceeded to do the business successfully .. one ship destroyed.. ! Later on i went into another system and came upon a mining party and had a little more fun .. one mammoth destroyed .. the same belt a little later and one strip miner locked and the demand of 5 million isk was met without the need for further action on my behalf .. in total i accrued .. 2.0 % for the mammoth .. 0.5 times two for the vex or .. and 0.5 for the lock and scramble on the strip miner .. total time ..= no more than fourteen minutes of pvp .. ! total penalty accrued .. from -2.03 to -2.34. Ok this doesnt look much i hear you say .. !
Now then todays play as the above was last night. At around 16.30 pm uk time i entered eve and started to work on my sec level .. it is now .. 00.12 and i have just finished for the night .. ! Leisurely ratting but unceasingly for about 8 hours ... i have killed over two hundred rats in 0.4 space ... the average total of all the rats .. actually its more ;like three hundred i have ammassed 3 million 100 000 isk in all that time ... so work it out for yourself when the greatest amount on any rat is 55 000 isk .. the majority being between 17500 and 7000 isk .. ! Anyway .. looking at my sec level thinking that this should have been more than enough time to reduce my sec level 0.3 points... i am staggered to see my sec level is -2.20 .... that is a reduction of 0.1 sec level in eight hours of sec level constant reduction gameplay.
If i hear anyone suggest i should go to 0.0 i will scream...!!
Heres my advice keep the player ship destruction bonus the same ie percentage and the rat values as ACTUAL not percentage bonus to sec level standing ... or erradicate pvp sec level punishment altogether. It is a punishment that eve is visiting on people to play this game .. ! How logical is that ccp .. please answer the question .. I DONT PAY TO BE PUNISHED I PAY TO PLAY ... !
I can understand that you at ccp want more players and feel nervous about losing new players to pirates ... but this is an excuse to watse hours of peoples time reducing sec level after just doing what it is that we pay to do ... PLAY THE GAME ... PVP is part of this game .. look at the whole system of eve creation .. thats why eve has weapons ... that can be loaded onto ships for gods sake .. !
Its simple enough for new players to understand .. that where there are no police there is trouble .. its a fact of life .. ! So why is it that ccp aare punishing people that enjoy playing the game .. !
regards BG
Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Bananna,Banannagirl. Just face it it suks to be us! I think,I think,I think,I think I studdered.
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Claude Leon
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Posted - 2005.12.04 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: banannagirl cont/d ...
all those small new players in reapers and starter ships well their destiny is already planned .... they join pirate corps .. nearly every time coz they dont wnat to spend a year reducing their sec levels in their shiny new vexors after kiling ites with bs'.
Grant me the abiltity and everyone else the ability to kill threats (in game of course) to their ships etc .. and it will open up the game ... ! All those big corps using new players to make them rich so they can fly the 'big' new ships as ceo's and pretned they have power ... wake up .. everyone .. !
We pay to fly those ships also .. !
regards BG
What are you talking about? At first you talk about the sec rating. Now, you are ranting on about large corporations? Your whinage is amazing. Go, STFU and sit in the corner. |

Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.12.04 02:16:00 -
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It is simple.
If you want to solo-gank people in low-sec, there is no reason for you to be able to visit high-sec.
If, having earned Outlaw status, you wish to visit high-sec, do missions. Don't like missions? Refer to the suggestion above.
If being unable to enter high sec is a logistic inconvenience, make a hauler alt.
You seem to want unrestricted PVP and no sec status penalty. The place for that is 0.0.
Virtually all "hard core players" accept this state of affairs.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2005.12.04 02:16:00 -
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There is very easy way to raise your sec status without 0.0 or missions. Quit whining
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Phoney Lisa
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Posted - 2005.12.04 02:44:00 -
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The problem is you.
First off, go to 0.0. You dont need to be in some alliance, look how much space there is out there!
Second, if you are incapable of that (which is clear) go to lower sec empire. I got multiple faction spawns that gave me good increases and 100's od millions in loot.
The problem is you'd rather come whine on the forums than engage your brain.
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2005.12.04 02:47:00 -
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Hey lets keep it friendly in here! ******! ****!!
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Skurlan
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Posted - 2005.12.04 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: banannagirl hey ed dont think for one second i dont know how to p;lay this game .. i know near on every aspect of it .. ganging etc ... and sec status etc etc .. I PLAY ON MY OWN ... I PAY ON MY OWN TO PLAY ON MY OWN ... i dont believe in the herd mentality ... !
This game is beginning to become visibly designed for the herd ... and not for hardcore gamers like me .. !
BG
your statement answers your question completely, let's see if you can figure out why!
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.12.04 03:01:00 -
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I forgot to say that killing 55k rats is kinda noob. You just can't fix sec status killing low-end NPCs. You can if you go for the tougher stuff.
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Frankinator
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Posted - 2005.12.04 03:13:00 -
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Apples > Bananna's
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.12.04 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Frankinator Apples > Bananna's
HONK IF YOU LOVE JESUS!
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Hinik
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Posted - 2005.12.04 03:17:00 -
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frankly... I prefer grapse to both apples AND banannas...
therefore: Grapes > Apples > Banannas
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CamMan
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Posted - 2005.12.04 03:38:00 -
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So bananagirl,
let me get this straight, you want to be the biggest badest n00by miner killer there is, in systems that are semi-protected by CONCORDOKEN.
so you want to blow up non-aggressive miners without any recourse from the police.....????
I think miners would love that idea. Also there are ways to get your sec status up reasonably quickly, either do lvl 4 missions or go to 0.0. I dont think it is fair for the game to change around you, given that you are basically picking on miners.
If you were actually after some real fighting then you could war declare.
Cheers CamMan
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Jared VonBargen
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Posted - 2005.12.04 03:54:00 -
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i casually played for about 2 weeks and increased my security from 0.0 to 0.1....dont worry about it....your on the road of progress....its a 12 step program :)
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Ebil Fred
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Posted - 2005.12.04 04:59:00 -
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Quick question. If you haven't shot at anyone in a year then what have you been doing?
The sec system is fine as it is. Ill admit its not pefect but you idea of being able to go on the rampage killing noobs in Kisogo or some other noob system and then being able to go and kill a few 50k rats for say 2 hours to fix your SS is just plain wrong.
Only kill ppl in 0.0 and you'll never take a sec hit and i can assure you ppl do mine in 0.0 if easy targets are what your after. (\ _ (O /) o) . <) (> I cut up teh bunneh too. |

Theonlystd
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Posted - 2005.12.04 07:27:00 -
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ahahahaha pirates whining is always fun ------------------------------------------- Aye Spellcheck is beyond me along with propper grammer. |
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